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Russian challenge December 2012

#1

Post by Nopros » November 28th, 2012, 10:43 pm

It's time to watch some Russian movies again! Last year I watched 40, not sure if I can manage the same amount this year, but I'll certainly try!

Same old rules:
- A feature film (Anything over 40 minutes) counts as one entry.
- A total of 90 minutes of short films count as one entry.
- For Mini-Series (40 minute episodes or longer) each episode counts as an entry.
- For Mini-Series with shorter episodes (25 minutes or so), the 90 minute rule applies.
- No rewatches


ICM lists:

http://www.icheckmovies.com/list/livejo ... n+top+100/
http://www.icheckmovies.com/list/russia ... ian+films/
http://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/seanc ... ms/mjf314/
http://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/nedel ... ms/mjf314/
http://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/mestn ... es/nopros/
http://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/best+ ... range3005/
http://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/golde ... on/mjf314/


The Mosfilm website offers a whole bunch of films free for streaming, many of them with English subtitles. Picture and audio quality-wise it's so-and-so, but it's far from bad.

Here's a random example (if for some reason it shows up in Russian you can adjust the language at the top right part of the site):
http://www.cinema.mosfilm.ru/Film.aspx? ... fa445df3e5

If their site is too slow (sometimes is), they also have a YouTube channel, bit harder to navigate for foreigners though. But all movies that have English subs there have the English movie title behind the Russian one.
http://www.youtube.com/user/mosfilm/videos?view=0

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#2

Post by Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi » November 28th, 2012, 10:57 pm

I was very jealous of all the films you were watching last time, nopros! So many of them were films I've been wanting to see for years, but don't have access to (my computer can't handle something like KG; I watch most films on DVD or via TV).

I'll be up for it again next month, although I am extremely busy these days, so I probably won't get out of the single digits. :(

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Post by Pain » November 28th, 2012, 11:06 pm

Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on Nov 28 2012, 03:57:20 PM wrote:my computer can't handle something like KG
I don't know what ancient computer you're using, but I used torrent on some really old ones and it worked fine. You should give it a try if you didn't do already or buy another computer, it's really worth it.

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Post by Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi » November 28th, 2012, 11:09 pm

Pain on Nov 28 2012, 04:06:45 PM wrote:
Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on Nov 28 2012, 03:57:20 PM wrote:my computer can't handle something like KG
I don't know what ancient computer you're using, but I used torrent on some really old ones and it worked fine. You should give it a try if you didn't do already or buy another computer, it's really worth it.
Thanks. The rest of the truth is that i don't really have the time to stop and figure it out. Eventually, i definitely will; there's too much of a benefit not to.

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Post by Nopros » November 28th, 2012, 11:17 pm

Yeah, you should really check out KG, Local Hero. I'll be glad to help you through it. :)

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Post by Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi » November 28th, 2012, 11:18 pm

Nopros on Nov 28 2012, 03:43:37 PM wrote:It's time to watch some Russian movies again! Last year I watched 40, not sure if I can manage the same amount this year, but I'll certainly try!

Same old rules:
- A feature film (Anything over 40 minutes) counts as one entry.
- A total of 90 minutes of short films count as one entry.
- For Mini-Series (40 minute episodes or longer) each episode counts as an entry.
- For Mini-Series with shorter episodes (25 minutes or so), the 90 minute rule applies.
- No rewatches


ICM lists:

http://www.icheckmovies.com/list/livejo ... n+top+100/
http://www.icheckmovies.com/list/russia ... ian+films/
http://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/mestn ... es/nopros/

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So it definitely doesn't have to be on an official list?

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#7

Post by Nopros » November 28th, 2012, 11:19 pm

As long as it's Russian, it's good! :)
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Post by Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi » November 28th, 2012, 11:29 pm

Nopros on Nov 28 2012, 04:17:29 PM wrote:Yeah, you should really check out KG, Local Hero. I'll be glad to help you through it. :)
Thanks! OK, I'll give it another try and maybe PM you if I have questions. :thumbsup:
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#9

Post by Nopros » November 28th, 2012, 11:37 pm

Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on Nov 28 2012, 04:29:07 PM wrote:
Nopros on Nov 28 2012, 04:17:29 PM wrote:Yeah, you should really check out KG, Local Hero. I'll be glad to help you through it. :)
Thanks! OK, I'll give it another try and maybe PM you if I have questions. :thumbsup:
Great, good luck!

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Post by Sir Plebeian » November 29th, 2012, 3:15 am

I would like to be in this one pleas, will be interesting!

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#11

Post by aces » November 29th, 2012, 3:58 am

I'll participate and say 5 for a goal. If i have time I'll watch more.

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Post by Knaldskalle » November 29th, 2012, 5:14 am

Damn, I'd promised myself a break from challenges, but this is too intriguing... Okay, I'll bite, but I expect a low total, 5 or so. I won't even have the end of the month to watch anything, I'll be visiting family over New Year's, so no Russki movies for me then.
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Post by Lilarcor » November 29th, 2012, 5:22 am

I'll do the same as aces and Knaldskalle, in with a goal to watch 5. I've got like ten or so + a miniseries available, but unless friends and family want to watch them with me I doubt I'll be able to go through it for December. Besides the last free month of Netflix for Norwegians is next month and I've barely checked that out.

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Post by 3eyes » November 29th, 2012, 6:16 am

I'm in. Looking forward to watching stuff on KG (Netflix doesn't have much that I haven't seen).
I'm hoping to make some serious inroads on the Russian Guild of Film Critics list (have 25 to go for a bronze).

Been reading Bulgakov (his stuff wasn't available when I was studying Russian lit in the early 60s). Have seen The Master and Margarita, Ivan Vasilyevich: Back to the Future and The Fatal Eggs, looking forward to Beg (Flight) and Heart of a Dog.
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Post by Lilarcor » November 29th, 2012, 11:29 am

Many are probably aware of this but it's worth putting in the OP anyway as a reminder: The Mosfilm website offers a whole bunch of films free for streaming, many of them with English subtitles. Picture and audio quality-wise it's so-and-so, but it's far from bad.

Here's a random example (if for some reason it shows up in Russian you can adjust the language at the top right part of the site):
http://www.cinema.mosfilm.ru/Film.aspx? ... fa445df3e5

If their site is too slow (sometimes is), they also have a YouTube channel, bit harder to navigate for foreigners though. But all movies that have English subs there have the English movie title behind the Russian one.
http://www.youtube.com/user/mosfilm/videos?view=0

edit: Working on an ICM list for this
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Post by Nopros » November 29th, 2012, 12:58 pm

Updated the OP with Lilarcors information.


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Post by esiersdale » November 29th, 2012, 4:30 pm

I'm in with a goal of 6, just to be obnoxious

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Post by 3eyes » November 29th, 2012, 5:44 pm

Thanks for the Mosfilm links, Lilarcor! Had seen some links to individual films on ICM, but couldn't figure out about the English subtitles.
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Post by jeroeno » November 29th, 2012, 6:11 pm

Well I'm working on UNESCO list at the moment so for this challenge I might try to finish the films from Ukraine and maybe try to find something from Kazakhstan (those count right?).

Link for the Ukraine films from the UNESCO list: http://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/unesc ... oviefreak/
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Post by Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi » November 29th, 2012, 7:55 pm

3eyes on Nov 28 2012, 11:16:58 PM wrote:I'm in. Looking forward to watching stuff on KG (Netflix doesn't have much that I haven't seen).
I'm hoping to make some serious inroads on the Russian Guild of Film Critics list (have 25 to go for a bronze).

Been reading Bulgakov (his stuff wasn't available when I was studying Russian lit in the early 60s). Have seen The Master and Margarita, Ivan Vasilyevich: Back to the Future and The Fatal Eggs, looking forward to Beg (Flight) and Heart of a Dog.
There are interesting film versions of all of those. (Not suggestioning the film as substitute, of course, but as a follow-up.)

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Post by Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi » November 29th, 2012, 7:57 pm

Lilarcor on Nov 29 2012, 04:29:04 AM wrote:Many are probably aware of this but it's worth putting in the OP anyway as a reminder: The Mosfilm website offers a whole bunch of films free for streaming, many of them with English subtitles. Picture and audio quality-wise it's so-and-so, but it's far from bad.

Here's a random example (if for some reason it shows up in Russian you can adjust the language at the top right part of the site):
http://www.cinema.mosfilm.ru/Film.aspx? ... fa445df3e5

If their site is too slow (sometimes is), they also have a YouTube channel, bit harder to navigate for foreigners though. But all movies that have English subs there have the English movie title behind the Russian one.
http://www.youtube.com/user/mosfilm/videos?view=0

edit: Working on an ICM list for this
Definitely worth re-mentioning! It's a good site with a lot of good, free choices. I watched on old Russian classic rom-com, Devchata, from that site.

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Post by 3eyes » November 30th, 2012, 6:11 am

Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on Nov 29 2012, 12:55:02 PM wrote:
3eyes on Nov 28 2012, 11:16:58 PM wrote:I'm in. Looking forward to watching stuff on KG (Netflix doesn't have much that I haven't seen).
I'm hoping to make some serious inroads on the Russian Guild of Film Critics list (have 25 to go for a bronze).

Been reading Bulgakov (his stuff wasn't available when I was studying Russian lit in the early 60s). Have seen The Master and Margarita, Ivan Vasilyevich: Back to the Future and The Fatal Eggs, looking forward to Beg (Flight) and Heart of a Dog.
There are interesting film versions of all of those. (Not suggestioning the film as substitute, of course, but as a follow-up.)
Yes, I mean I've read all of them in translation (except I can't find an English translation of Ivan Vasilyevich) and have seen the films of the first three, intend to watch the other two.

Do non-Russian film versions of Russian literature count? Things like the Taviani brothers' take on Otets Sergei (Il sole anche di notte), Visconti's Le notti bianche, or the lastest incarnation of Anna Karenina?
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Post by Knaldskalle » November 30th, 2012, 8:04 am

3eyes on Nov 28 2012, 11:16:58 PM wrote:I'm in. Looking forward to watching stuff on KG (Netflix doesn't have much that I haven't seen).
I'm hoping to make some serious inroads on the Russian Guild of Film Critics list (have 25 to go for a bronze).

Been reading Bulgakov (his stuff wasn't available when I was studying Russian lit in the early 60s). Have seen The Master and Margarita, Ivan Vasilyevich: Back to the Future and The Fatal Eggs, looking forward to Beg (Flight) and Heart of a Dog.
I read Master and Margarita last year. I wish I could say I loved it, but I felt like I missed way too many references and digs at the system, even with the extensive annotations. Still, not a bad book.
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Post by Nopros » November 30th, 2012, 9:10 am

3eyes on Nov 29 2012, 11:11:21 PM wrote:Do non-Russian film versions of Russian literature count? Things like the Taviani brothers' take on Otets Sergei (Il sole anche di notte), Visconti's Le notti bianche, or the lastest incarnation of Anna Karenina?
I would say no. But if you thinks it goes as Russian, you should count them for the challenge. :)

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Post by kingink » November 30th, 2012, 10:05 am

I'm in. Maybe this challenge will force me to finally watch "Voyna i mir" 1967

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Post by 3eyes » November 30th, 2012, 5:32 pm

Nopros on Nov 30 2012, 02:10:44 AM wrote:
3eyes on Nov 29 2012, 11:11:21 PM wrote:Do non-Russian film versions of Russian literature count? Things like the Taviani brothers' take on Otets Sergei (Il sole anche di notte), Visconti's Le notti bianche, or the lastest incarnation of Anna Karenina?
I would say no. But if you thinks it goes as Russian, you should count them for the challenge. :)
Nopros, for myself I agree. Just wanted to raise the question.

They won't get you any ICM points, but I've seen filmed opera productions of Prokofiev's War and Peace and The Gambler (Dostoevsky) and Shostakovich's Lady MacBeth of Mtsensk (Leskov). Just in case there are any modern opera buffs out there. (Sorry, letting my enthusiasm run away with me.)
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Post by 3eyes » November 30th, 2012, 5:35 pm

Knaldskalle on Nov 30 2012, 01:04:47 AM wrote:
3eyes on Nov 28 2012, 11:16:58 PM wrote:I'm in. Looking forward to watching stuff on KG (Netflix doesn't have much that I haven't seen).
I'm hoping to make some serious inroads on the Russian Guild of Film Critics list (have 25 to go for a bronze).

Been reading Bulgakov (his stuff wasn't available when I was studying Russian lit in the early 60s). Have seen The Master and Margarita, Ivan Vasilyevich: Back to the Future and The Fatal Eggs, looking forward to Beg (Flight) and Heart of a Dog.
I read Master and Margarita last year. I wish I could say I loved it, but I felt like I missed way too many references and digs at the system, even with the extensive annotations. Still, not a bad book.
Knaldskalle, I heartily recommend the miniseries - Netflix has it in the US, dunno about Norway.
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Post by allisoncm » November 30th, 2012, 5:53 pm

I'm in. There is a Russian film playing at the cinema next week, so I will see at least one. Obviously I will try to see more if possible.

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Post by mjf314 » December 1st, 2012, 6:16 am

I'll participate.

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Post by kingink » December 1st, 2012, 4:34 pm

Let's get started then.

1. Of freaks and men - Aleksey Balabanov 1998 7/10

It started in a great way but it was lost towards the end. Despite that, it is a strangely captivating and very interesting movie that can work in many different levels

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Post by nimimerkillinen » December 1st, 2012, 7:35 pm

1. Balabanov - Brat (Brother) 1997

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Post by 3eyes » December 1st, 2012, 9:51 pm

&#65279;1. Entuziazm: Simfoniya Donbassa (USSR 31)
Vertov's first sound film - he tries montage with sound as well as visuals.

2. Neotpravlennoye pismo.The unsent letter (USSR 59/60)
Kalatozov's next film after The Cranes are Flying - set in Siberia, astonishing cinematography.
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Post by mjf314 » December 2nd, 2012, 7:41 am

1. The Humpbacked Horse (1947)

Edit: Btw I added the Golden 100 of Russian Animation list and the A Band Apart list to the first post. I might add the Nedelia list to iCM sometime in the next few days.
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Post by Sir Plebeian » December 2nd, 2012, 9:10 am

1. Idi i smotri (1985)

Well, that was an intense way to kick this challenge off…was not expecting that at all. I am speechless at this moment to be honest.

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Post by mjf314 » December 2nd, 2012, 9:32 am

I'm thinking of watching Alexander Nevsky for this challenge and I noticed there's a DVD version and an LD version. Which one should I watch? According to the comments the LD version has much better sound quality, and I'm guessing the DVD version has better video quality but I'm not sure. The LD version seems like the obvious choice but the DVD version has more downloads so maybe I'm missing something.
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Post by Pain » December 2nd, 2012, 9:34 am

mjf314 on Dec 2 2012, 02:32:07 AM wrote:I'm thinking of watching Alexander Nevsky for this challenge and I noticed there's a DVD version and an LD version. Which one should I watch? According to the comments the LD version has better much better sound quality, and I'm guessing the DVD version has better video quality but I'm not sure. The LD version seems like the obvious choice but the DVD version has more downloads so maybe I'm missing something.
I have the criterion DVD and watched a couple of times, never noticed anything bad with it, but I didn't know about the LD version.

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Post by Pain » December 2nd, 2012, 9:40 am

From the KG page, they say that the LD has the original soundtrack while the DVD has a new one.

Some KG comments:
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The composer Andre Previn once described the soundtrack of Alexander Nevsky as the greatest film score ever, trapped in the worst film score recording ever. The audio quality of the recording of the original is remarkably bad, reflecting not only the primitive state of Soviet recording equipment in the 1930's, but also the approval of Stalin of the film in its unfinished state. What this version of the film does is remedy that problem with a rerecording of the original score in modern stereo, mixed in with the original dialog and sound effects, courtesy of modern technology. The result is stunning, and restores the true splendor of the synthesis of image and music which Eisenstein described with extraordinary detail in his essays. The Battle On the Ice deserves to be listened to in full stereo, with the sound cranked all the way up!

This version was released on Laser Disc, but has never appeared on DVD. I would hope that it could co-exist with the original version, since not so much a restored version, but rather a new version of the film.
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I have the DVD of this movie, but if the audio soundtrack is indeed that much better on this release, then I will be onto it tonight
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i learned today that the music in this LD version is the same as the original film unlike the DVD version which has a redone version. I thought to myself... "i bet Kara has a LD rip..."
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Post by Pain » December 2nd, 2012, 9:41 am

I guess a rewatch is necessary now...

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Post by kingink » December 2nd, 2012, 9:52 am

Sir Plebeian on Dec 2 2012, 02:10:07 AM wrote:1. Idi i smotri (1985)

Well, that was an intense way to kick this challenge off…was not expecting that at all. I am speechless at this moment to be honest.
I really love this film and I wish I could unwatch it just to have this surprising and intense feeling again :D

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