Sight & Sound 2022 Poll - Predictions

[Tim2460]

Down to 191 IMDB links missing.

There were some feuillade shorts ... Sometimes the individual ... sometiome the whole series

and some "2 votes" with slightly different Titles (like "The xxx" instead of "xxx") : collored everything unusual in orange for you to check Ferge.

[St. Gloede]

Amazing work, Tim!

[Tim2460]

I have finished my second pass

--> 113 still missing

[AB537]

Fergenaprido - what is your preference for handling What's Wrong with This Picture? There are two links: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0478054 and https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0478055. It's clear from both IMDB and Wikipedia that George Landow = Owen Land.

Edit: This isn't a unique example.

It's totally unclear whether Narcisa Hirsch's Taller/Workshop is two separate films or an IMDB duplicate. Taller: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6096922. Workshop: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15567826.

This also leaves aside the ballots that are effectively impossible to work with, like "All of Lars von Trier's films" or Guy Sherwin's "Short Film Series" (1970-1980), which appears to consist of many different shorts.

[AB537]

On another note, I've done what I can with the Google sheet. Google Translate was quite helpful with confirming several entries.

Most of the remaining entries are beyond my capabilities to find on IMDB, if they exist on the site at all, or are easily findable but we have people clearly voting for multiple films in one slot on their ballot, as in the examples above and others (e.g. Patrick Wang's A Bread Factory Parts 1 & 2, or Tarantino's Kill Bill Volumes 1 & 2), which are hard to evaluate vs ballots that were properly filled out.

[Fergenaprido]

Fergenaprido - what is your preference for handling What's Wrong with This Picture? There are two links: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0478054 and https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0478055. It's clear from both IMDB and Wikipedia that George Landow = Owen Land.

Edit: This isn't a unique example.

It's totally unclear whether Narcisa Hirsch's Taller/Workshop is two separate films or an IMDB duplicate. Taller: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6096922. Workshop: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15567826.

This also leaves aside the ballots that are effectively impossible to work with, like "All of Lars von Trier's films" or Guy Sherwin's "Short Film Series" (1970-1980), which appears to consist of many different shorts.

Could you highlight the films in question in the spreadsheet? Makes it easier. I do know George Landow is a pseudonym for Owen Land (or vice versa), so that's not an issue for me.

For entries with two or multiples films, I'll post something separate later. I want to check to see how S&S dealt with some of the more popular cases (Apu trilogy, for example), and try and follow their lead.

On another note, I've done what I can with the Google sheet. Google Translate was quite helpful with confirming several entries.

Most of the remaining entries are beyond my capabilities to find on IMDB, if they exist on the site at all, or are easily findable but we have people clearly voting for multiple films in one slot on their ballot, as in the examples above and others (e.g. Patrick Wang's A Bread Factory Parts 1 & 2, or Tarantino's Kill Bill Volumes 1 & 2), which are hard to evaluate vs ballots that were properly filled out.

Many thanks for your work on this AB! For films that aren't on imdb, I've been including links to information elsewhere online, just to have something in my spreadsheet for calculating results. For the obvious ones with multiple films, you can leave those blank as I either already have the URLs on hand, or they'll be easy enough to grab at the end.

I verified another batch of films today, and have less than 100 to go before I get to the ones in the Google Doc.

[Tim2460]

I have normalize the iMDB links format to https://, check for obvious errors (found 2), collored series of films ...

Added some notes and an "IMDB Google search" collum for cut / paste / search

The 2 or 3 i started trying with matched with art shows / performance more than films.

Some more work

[AB537]

Could you highlight the films in question in the spreadsheet? Makes it easier. I do know George Landow is a pseudonym for Owen Land (or vice versa), so that's not an issue for me.

For entries with two or multiples films, I'll post something separate later. I want to check to see how S&S dealt with some of the more popular cases (Apu trilogy, for example), and try and follow their lead.

Many thanks for your work on this AB! For films that aren't on imdb, I've been including links to information elsewhere online, just to have something in my spreadsheet for calculating results. For the obvious ones with multiple films, you can leave those blank as I either already have the URLs on hand, or they'll be easy enough to grab at the end.

I verified another batch of films today, and have less than 100 to go before I get to the ones in the Google Doc.

I highlighted seven or so that are still lacking IMDB links based on my memory from last night, some are comparatively well known (e.g. Kill Bill, A Bread Factory), whereas others are quite obscure, at least to me - and in some cases include many more than two films. And happy to help!

One other source that jumped to mind last night that may be helpful in some cases is MUBI, they have some really obscure stuff on there.

[Angel Glez]

TAPE Collective's ballot:
Hunger
Just Another Girl on the I.R.T.
The Love Witch
The Wild Party
Se7En
The Matrix
Get Out
Akira
Black Girl
Welcome II the Terrordome

About TAPE Collective. The Team: Isra Al Kassi and 3 more guys.

Isra Al Kassi's ballot:
Just Another Girl on the I.R.T.
The Matrix
The Wild Party
Fight Club
Rope
Seven Samurai
Gegen Die Wand
Memento
William Shakespeare's Romeo + Juliet
Badkonak-E Sefid

Cheating, huh?

[mjf314]

TAPE Collective's ballot:
Hunger
Just Another Girl on the I.R.T.
The Love Witch
The Wild Party
Se7En
The Matrix
Get Out
Akira
Black Girl
Welcome II the Terrordome

About TAPE Collective. The Team: Isra Al Kassi and 3 more guys.

Isra Al Kassi's ballot:
Just Another Girl on the I.R.T.
The Matrix
The Wild Party
Fight Club
Rope
Seven Samurai
Gegen Die Wand
Memento
William Shakespeare's Romeo + Juliet
Badkonak-E Sefid

Cheating, huh?

I don't think you can blame Isra Al Kassi for cheating. This is S&S's fault, imo. They should've given the ballot to an individual person, not a group of people.

[Fergenaprido]

Yeah, agreed with mjf on this one. Nice catch, though, Ángel. Just Another Girl and The Wild Party both only appear on these two ballots.

[brokenface]

Mubi's added De cierta manera/One Way or Another today, one of the very high climbers from nowhere on the S+S Critics List.

[Fergenaprido]

I have normalize the iMDB links format to https://, check for obvious errors (found 2), collored series of films ...

Added some notes and an "IMDB Google search" collum for cut / paste / search

The 2 or 3 i started trying with matched with art shows / performance more than films.

Some more work

I highlighted seven or so that are still lacking IMDB links based on my memory from last night, some are comparatively well known (e.g. Kill Bill, A Bread Factory), whereas others are quite obscure, at least to me - and in some cases include many more than two films. And happy to help!

One other source that jumped to mind last night that may be helpful in some cases is MUBI, they have some really obscure stuff on there.

Thanks Tim & AB. I've temporarily restricted that page while I work with what you've done so far, to prevent duplicate work.

[AB537]

Mubi's added De cierta manera/One Way or Another today, one of the very high climbers from nowhere on the S+S Critics List.

Fingers crossed they'll do that in Canada as well, doesn't look like it's currently available here. It was the only top 250 film I'd never heard of before.

[tobias]

Mubi's added De cierta manera/One Way or Another today, one of the very high climbers from nowhere on the S+S Critics List.

Fingers crossed they'll do that in Canada as well, doesn't look like it's currently available here. It was the only top 250 film I'd never heard of before.

Holy shits, amazing!!!

Edit: apparently restauration funded by the German state. I'm surprised but not complaining.

[Fergenaprido]

Mubi's added De cierta manera/One Way or Another today, one of the very high climbers from nowhere on the S+S Critics List.

Fingers crossed they'll do that in Canada as well, doesn't look like it's currently available here. It was the only top 250 film I'd never heard of before.

Yeah, I checked that yesterday when a Mubi-rip appeared online elsewhere... available in 125 countries for a month, but not Canada (or the US, it seems).

[AB537]

Mubi's added De cierta manera/One Way or Another today, one of the very high climbers from nowhere on the S+S Critics List.

Fingers crossed they'll do that in Canada as well, doesn't look like it's currently available here. It was the only top 250 film I'd never heard of before.

Yeah, I checked that yesterday when a Mubi-rip appeared online elsewhere... available in 125 countries for a month, but not Canada (or the US, it seems).

Very unfortunate. I've also had experiences where MUBI's Facebook page is advertising a film I want to see as a "MUBI release", yet still not available here.

[Fergenaprido]

I've verified and added 700 more films to the list.

IMDb and iCM lists are both updated, but the newer titles are just added to the bottom for now; I'll re-sort them once I've finished added everything.

New titles imported to ICM

The Name of the Game: The Perfect Image (1969)
Peyton Place: Episode #1.32 (1965)
Der Depp (1982)
On Company Business (1980)

All new films are single-vote films except the following:

Spoiler

Original Title Alternate Title Year Director Country Ballots #C #D imdb link
No Sex Last Night 1996 Sophie Calle, Greg Shephard USA 3 2 1 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117192/ - Found another ballot so it goes from 2 to 3
Incompreso (Vita col figlio) Misunderstood 1966 Luigi Comencini Italy 2 2 0 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060538/
Là-bas Down There 2006 Chantal Akerman Belgium 2 2 0 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0855869/
De bruit et de fureur Sound and Fury 1988 Jean-Claude Brisseau France 2 2 0 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094959/
Outer and Inner Space 1966 Andy Warhol USA 2 1 1 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0325944/
Barque sortant du port Boat Leaving the Port 1895 Louis Lumière France 2 1 1 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0000016/
Dal Polo all'Equatore From the Pole to the Equator 1987 Yervant Gianikian, Angela Ricci Lucchi Italy 2 2 0 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092817/
Hayachine no fu Ode to Mount Hayachine (The Poem of Hayachine Valley) 1983 Sumiko Haneda Japan 2 2 0 https://www2.bfi.org.uk/films-tv-people/4ce2b72436740
Die Allseitig reduzierte Persönlichkeit - Redupers The All-Round Reduced Personality 1978 Helke Sander Germany 2 2 0 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077150/
Dangsinjasingwa dangsinui geot Yourself and Yours 2016 Hong Sang-soo South Korea 2 2 0 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5907916/

Also, found a vote for Dukhovnye golosa. Iz dnevnikov voyny. Povestvovanie v pyati chastyakh Spiritual Voices 1995 Aleksandr Sokurov, so it doesn't fall off the 2012 list completely.

And finally, I've uploaded the spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

Everyone should be able to access it without logging in, and can edit the last page, which contains the last 580 or so films still missing URLs. Every other page should be view/comment only.

All right. I finally finished verifying everything. Only the edge cases remain. :pumped:
IMDB and ICM lists are updated; I'll update the spreadsheet tomorrow.

New titles imported to icm

Soundtrack (1969)
Long Film for Ambient Light (1975)
Reel Time (1973)
Un balcon en Afrique (1980)
Nantes Triptych (1992)
Fly (2019)
Ctrl (2016)
Glimpse (2021)
De Lo Mio (2019)
Friday Night Bites (2016)
Ser de luz (2009)
Huono filmi (1950)
Singing in Oblivion (2022)
Wolves in the Walls (2018)
Maledetta primavera (2020)
Konfiguration schwarz und weiss (2017)
Raymond Tallis: On Tickling (2017)
Setsudan (1969)
8903 Empire (2019)
How to Invent Reality (1996)
Weak Rangers (2022)
Tango of Yearning (1998)
Life on the CAPS (2022)
Überleben in New York (1989)
A linha (2019)
Smog en tu corazon (2022)
Something Nice to Eat (1967)
Faszinierendes Puppenhaus (1987)
Between the Waves (2012)
Kaze. Ippun yonjûbyô (1985)
Much Ado About Dying (2022)
Die Angkar (1981)

Newly verified titles on more than one ballot

Twin Peaks is now on 4 ballots (minimum, more on that later)
Senso (1954) is now on 3 ballots
The Last Bolshevik (1993) isn't a complete drop-off from 2012 as I found a vote for it.
Le permission (1967), Interview (1971), and Season of the Devil (2018) all have 2 votes
Dune (3) and Ms .45 (2) are the other multi-vote films among the new batch scraped from Chris (I may have mentioned this already)

I've started checking my tally against the official results on the site, but I have to check each individual film page and count the listed votes for anything I need to doublecheck, so it may take a while depending on how many discrepancies there are.


For this ballot, though:
14054 Ruun Nuur critic Somalia/USA (tie) the Passion of Joan of Arc & Mother Joan of the Angels 1928 & 1961 (respectfully) Carl Theodor Dreyer & Jerzy Kawalerowicz (respectfully)
Without that ballot, Passion ties with Late Spring with 70 critics votes, and that's what is displayed on the Top 250 list and on Passion's film page (and Ruun Nuur's ballot is not linked on that page), so that final spot was either given fully to Mother Joan (which only received one other vote, so I can't verify), or discounter completely).

For the Apu trilogy, it looks like they ignored those ones too. The results of the Critics and Directors Polls tally up correctly only with ballots that listed the film individually. So that's 4 ballots with a wasted entry each.

If the precedent is to ignore entries that aren't single films (or that don't have single entries on imdb), then that will make things a bit easier (though perhaps if voters had known this in advance they would have changed their votes accordingly, but S&S is nothing if not inconsistent lol).

The last thing I'll mention before stopping for the night is Twin Peaks.
19 (17 critic, 2 director) votes for Twin Peaks (2017) i.e. The Return aka Season 3
16 (14 critic, 2 director) votes from Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me (1992)
3 votes for Twin Peaks (1990-2017) i.e. all three seasons
3 votes for Twin Peaks Season 3 Episode 8 (2017)
1 vote for Twin Peaks (1990) i.e. first season only? or just the first two? or all three?
1 vote for Twin Peaks Pilot episode (1990)
1 vote for Twin Peaks (1977), an unrelated film by Al Wong that happens to share the same name (and I checked to see if it was a mistake but it looks legit)

In the Critics Poll, Twin Peak The Return ties for 152nd place with 19 votes, so I'm missing 2 critic votes. Sadly, there's no film page for TP:The Return, so I cannot verify which individual ballot contributed. All the other votes are critics votes, so they must be from there somewhere, but so far I can't figure out which 2 they would have used since the other titles either got 1 or 3 votes. I'll mull it over and look into it more.

That's all for now.
The end is in sight.

[beavis]

Phillipe Grandrieux has not voted and none of his movies are voted for?
that seems like a huge oversight!

[AB537]

I wonder what they did with Scorsese's 12 film ballot? All individually listed but definitely not 10.

[AB537]

Also TSPDT just posted this link to a Google doc that apparently contains all votes, sorted by film and totals for critics and directors, but minus IMDB links. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 1663126226

Might be helpful for marginal cases.

[Fergenaprido]

I wonder what they did with Scorsese's 12 film ballot? All individually listed but definitely not 10.

12 of his 15 choices had enough votes to make the Critics Top 250 or Directors Top 100, so they should show up on the individual film pages. Not sure about the last three.

Also TSPDT just posted this link to a Google doc that apparently contains all votes, sorted by film and totals for critics and directors, but minus IMDB links. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 1663126226

Might be helpful for marginal cases.

Thanks. Pretty much the same as what I've got. I notice he's combined/split some of the Twin Peaks votes and the Apu trilogy, but didn't fix other duplicates yet, like the Five Year Diary votes.

[Fergenaprido]

TAPE Collective's ballot:
Hunger
Just Another Girl on the I.R.T.
The Love Witch
The Wild Party
Se7En
The Matrix
Get Out
Akira
Black Girl
Welcome II the Terrordome

About TAPE Collective. The Team: Isra Al Kassi and 3 more guys.

Isra Al Kassi's ballot:
Just Another Girl on the I.R.T.
The Matrix
The Wild Party
Fight Club
Rope
Seven Samurai
Gegen Die Wand
Memento
William Shakespeare's Romeo + Juliet
Badkonak-E Sefid

Cheating, huh?

I don't think you can blame Isra Al Kassi for cheating. This is S&S's fault, imo. They should've given the ballot to an individual person, not a group of people.

I think maybe S&S didn't count his double-votes after all.

https://www.bfi.org.uk/film/cc7edbb1-17 ... the-matrix - lists both Al Kassi & TAPE separately among the voters, with 26 critics votes.
However, The Matrix places at joint #122 in the Critics ballot, along with There Will Be Blood and other films that only received 25 votes.

So not counting Al Kassi's double contribution is the only thing I can think of that would make sense.

In other news:

They've also fixed errors with Histoires du cinema: it didn't appear on the Top 250 at all when first published, then was jointly #85 by mid-February, and now is (correctly) joint #78. Archive.org's crashed midway through looking into it, so I can't pinpoint when this changed.

The Hour of the Furnaces received 15 votes (14 critic, 1 director), including Mia Mask's vote which was originally for "Hour of the Furnaces (parts 1 and 2)". It's since been now standardized with the other ballots (and was the only ballot change between Chris's first two scrapes aside from cosmetic name changes from original title to English title and other minor fixes), but I wonder if it was originally excluded from the tally as a result, because in the Critics Top 250 it's listed at joint #225 (with the 13-vote films) instead of #211 (with the 14-vote films).

Born in Flames received 13 votes (all critic, no director, yet shows up at joint #243 (with the 12-vote films) instead of #225 (with the 13-vote films). My only thought is maybe one of the voters is listed as a critic instead of a director, but I don't see anything out of place.

And from the Directors Poll.

Vertigo & 8½ are tied at #6, but Vertigo has 38 votes and 8½ has 37. The latter's critic count is also correct based on that poll, but it's possible a critic vote for Vertigo has been moved to the director column; I can't think of any other reason.

The Godfather Part II is tied at #26 in the Director poll (with 22-vote film Stalker), but actually has 23 director votes and should be tied for #22.

Goodfellas and Do the Right Thing both received 21 director votes, but Goodfellas is #28 while DTRT is #29, which indicates the latter only had 20 votes counted.

Similar situation with The 400 Blows. It's tied at #34 with La jetée and La dolce vita with 17 votes, but it received 18 votes and should be tied with Sunrise at #33.

The Searchers and Modern Times both received 11 votes, but are listed as joint #72 (with the 10-vote films) instead of joint #62 (with the 11-vote films).

Throne of Blood received 9 votes, and was listed at joint #93 a month ago when the ICM list was made, but now it's missing from the BFI site.

Ugetsu monogatarai received 10 votes, but it's not listed on the BFI site either.

Looking at the voters for these last two, I see Martin Scorses and Atom Egoyan, both of whom submitted ballots longer than 10 films, so now I'm wondering if S&S only counted 10 of the films on those ballots with more. That might explain all of the discrepancies above, though it appears arbitrary which films were left off. Will need further investigation.

I'm going to pause there for now, though, and work on updating the Google doc so everyone else can see the data I'm working with in Excel.

[Fergenaprido]

All right. IMDB and ICM lists are updated.
Google Spreadsheet is updated. I've removed edit access for all, but everyone can comment. This will make it easier for me to keep track of updates and errors. I've hidden the "Still to Process" tab for the moment while I clear up other things, as I want to focus on getting the official list updated, and all the remaining issues are with films with one or two votes so they won't affect the final official list update.

I hope to have a decision made and the official list updated by the end of this week(end). So now is your last chance to state your opinions or forever hold your peace.

For official list determining purposes...
Films on 5+ ballots: 1-833 (up to Zabriskie Point)
Films on 4+ ballots: 1-1022 (up to Zimna wojna [Cold War])
Films on 3+ ballots: 1-1344 ( up to Zui hao de shi guang [Three Times])
Films on 2+ ballots: 1-1976 ( up to Ze soboty na neděli [From Saturday to Sunday])

I've decided to go with the ballots themselves, so if S&S accepted a ballot with 11 films, all 11 votes are counted. It's easier that trying to figure out which one S&S didn't include. This means that there will be some difference from the published Critics 250 and Directors 100 lists. I've also excluded Jacques Aumont's ballot, since he said he didn't participate and someone fraudulently voted in his name (no film will miss out on the final official update as a result, just a shifting of places).

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What I've done for some of the troublesome cases

Olympia duology - As mentioned previously, I'm including both films in the list for the 3 votes cast for "Olympia 1938", since that's ICM convention.

Twin Peaks
16 votes for Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me - unchanged
3 votes for Twin Peaks S3E8 - votes counted only for the episode in question
1 vote for Twin Peaks Pilot - vote counted only for the episode in question
19 votes for Twin Peaks: The Return - votes only for the 2017 season are counted for that only
4 votes for Twin Peaks grouped together to represent the original series/whole series: "Twin Peaks 1990-2017", Twin Peaks 1990", "Twin Peaks 1990-1991, 2017)

Apu Trilogy - There were 4 votes for the entire trilogy. So I took three of them and assigned each one to one of the films (effectively boosting their count by one each), and am ignoring the last one (I don't want to deal with decimals by splitting the vote), since all three films will make the final list anyway (with 80, 8, and 7 votes).

Bill Douglas Trilogy - My Childhood received 3 votes, and the trilogy as a whole received 1. Debating whether to add a vote for all three films or to ignore it. Opinions welcome.

Fantômas series - Terrible Wedding received 1 vote, and Fantômas received 1 vote, but the voter was clear that it was for the full 6 hours and not just the first imdb entry. Since it won't make the list regardless, I'm fine with just giving the vote to the first entry, or counting it as a vote for all entries (which has been done in other lists in the past). Opinions welcome.

Film Ist. series
This is listed in two titles on imdb: Parts 1-6 and Parts 7-12.
The votes are for parts "1-2", "1-6", and "1-12". Since neither will make the list, I've just added the first 1-6 title to the list for now. Opinions welcome.

Five Year Diary - I've combined the 4 votes for the whole series plus the 1 vote for the "Five Year Diary (Sections)" since it seems only parts of it were screened and it's impossible to know which sections are included. I've excluded the two votes for specific reels: "Five Year Diary, Reel 80: Emily Died (May 14–September 26, 1994)" and "Five Year Diary, Reel 22: a Short Affair (and) Going Crazy (August 23–September 1, 1982)"

Mistérios de Lisboa - I'm assuming all 4 votes are for the film and not the mini-series.

Scenes from Under Childhood (1967-1970) - This received 2 votes, which I've assigned to the first of four films for now (since that one is on the 2012 combined list), but I can add the other three to the list if people think it should be considered a single piece and not a series of shorts. Opinions welcome.

The Human Condition Trilogy - There is 1 vote for Part 2 ("Zoku Ningen No Joken 1959") and 1 vote for the whole thing ("The Human Condition 1959-1961") - I've ignored the latter for now. Opinions welcome.

Kill Bill - There are 2 votes for Vol. I, and 1 votes for Vol. I+II - I've ignored the latter for now. Opinions welcome.

A Bread Factory - There is 1 vote for Part One, and 1 vote for Parts One + Two - I've ignored the latter for now. Opinions welcome.

Carlos - There are 2 votes for "Carlos Permière Partie" which I had assigned to Assayas's full mini-series, but I realize now to be consistent with Twin Peaks and other titles, I should just assign to the first episode. Opinions welcome.

Ro.Go.Pa.G - There are 2 votes for the whole film, and 1 vote for the La Ricotta segment by Pasolini; I've kept the latter separate since it has it's own imdb entry.

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I think that's all of the main stuff. There are other issues for lesser known films with 1 or 2 votes, but they can wait for another day.

[Tasselfoot]

My opinion is 5+ votes, for a few reasons:

1. It keeps the list size similar to what we already have
2. I've never been a fan of including low voted films from polls in lists. This is especially true on the lists where 1 vote gets in... but something like this, with well over 1000 voters, it feels appropriate it have a higher bar to enter, to properly keep some semblance of consensus to this "canon"
3. This is a distant 3rd reason, but there are a lot of really challenging to find or watch films that are at 3 or 4 votes; I'm all in favor of not making them official, especially on a list like this that many people will work towards completing.

In reality, I'd vote to have the cutoff be even higher, like 8 votes, but I know that has no chance of happening. I have always thought the 3-vote barrier (and by extension the 800-film list) from 2012 to be too low of a cutoff. An 8 vote cutoff would give us 519 films, and that feels more appropriate to me both in length and in cutoff. Since nobody else will agree, 5+ is where I throw my support.

[gunnar]

I'd be okay with 5+ votes being the criteria. My numbers would end up being about the same as on the current list.

[OldAle1]

I will just second everything Tasselfoot said, can't improve on his reasoning.

[zuma]

For what it is worth, I personally like 4+ votes. Bit longer sure, but this is the most important list on the site.

[AB537]

4+ looks good to me. A list of ~1000 seems consistent with a lot of the other all time lists, and this one likely has a bigger following than any of the others (even TSPDT) among cinephiles.

I'd also suggest erring on the side of 3+ rather than 5+, in part because it makes sense to me to be overinclusive rather than underinclusive given the composition of this voter pool. Personally I'm not too bothered about the prospect of being unable to complete the list, but it will hopefully nudge me (and others) to prioritize some of the films on 3+ lists that can be found with reasonable effort.

[RogerTheMovieManiac88]

3 or 4.

The more interesting and out-of-the-way films the better!

[mjf314]

My opinion is 5+ votes, for a few reasons:

1. It keeps the list size similar to what we already have

The old list is a top ~800 not because it's the ideal list size, but because it was better than the alternative.

Now that we have a poll with more votes, I see no reason to keep the same list size.

My vote is 4+.

[tobias]

4+ or 3+ - I think there are just too many great underseen recommendations downballot that would go unincluded otherwise. Line Describing a Cone will be in unless we go 6+ and I don't think there are actually ohter films that can't be found in the 3+ sample. Must be one or two at worst.

[St. Gloede]

The longer the better generally for me, but as the 4 votes threshold rounds it out nicely to a top 1000(ish), this seems like a good cut-off, especially given how compared it is to the TSPDT top 1,000 (now with the 1001-2000 extension mind you) and the other top 1000/1001 lists.

I also fully support Tobias' reasoning and would also be happy with 3+.

[Tim2460]

I would say 3+ as it was the same last poll.

Keep it consistant

[Tim2460]

Great Work Ferge BTW.

BTW Chris Repaired my OMDB python script : i can provide Country info from OMDB again if needeed : thx Chris

[erde]

Fantastic work, Ferg!

I think that 4+ votes / top 1000 cut-off would be the most suitable one for this list for the reasons given above. It would be good to put the cut-off a little higher than the last time because the number of voters has increased.

[beavis]

I would say 3+ as it was the same last poll.

Keep it consistant

things can be argued either way I guess, but with the great extention of the population polled, a 3-vote movie from the current poll will be on average more 'obscure' compared to a 3-vote movie from the previous one, just because movies had such an increased chance of being chosen, so it is not as consistent as you think.

a higher cut-off is indeed more canon-y, but a lower cut-off much more interesting (for our kind of icm-users)... so for me this would be an argument to go for something already talked about a while back, to make the officially published top 250 an official list this time, and then have the extended list created by us (with a cut off around thousand just to make it comparable to other lists like it, and much more than 1200 seems like a bit of an overkill anyway) as a seperate official list that updates the one of the previous poll.

[Panunzio]

4+ seems reasonable. Brings the list to around the 1000 film mark.

[Angel Glez]

Fergenaprido

Vittoerio De Sica?

[Fergenaprido]

Vittoerio De Sica?

Dangit. Good catch. I'll fix it. Thanks