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30 outstanding films with less than 2000 imdb votes that also aren't on any lists

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30 outstanding films with less than 2000 imdb votes that also aren't on any lists

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Post by cinewest » May 14th, 2020, 4:44 pm

Cabeza de Vaca (Echevarria, 1991)- comparable in many ways to Aguirre Wrath of God and El Abrazo Del Serpiente, and I actually liked it better than both

Savrseni krug (Kenovic, 1997)- One of the most overlooked and devastating films about war that I have seen

Zhou Yu de huo che (Sun Zhou, 2002)- Partially inspired by Mood For Love, this poetic, cinematic film from mainland China has wowed and intrigued me in multiple viewings

Frozen (Shivajee Chandrabhushan, 2007)- Only 188 votes on imdb, and vastly undersign cinematic/poetic gem set in the Himalayas)

Delta (Kornél Mundruczó, 2008)- A Christ like figure gets crucified in the Hungarian hinterlands. More amazing cinematography, but a brutal tale

Erleuchtung garantiert (Dorris Doris, 1999)- A hilarious German film about two very different brothers who get lost in Tokyo

Keshtzar haye sepid (Mohammad Rasoulof, 2009)- This Iranian fable got two filmmakers thrown into jail and banned from filmmaking

Lea (Ivan Fila, 1996)- A brutal beginning turns into a strange kind of love story that is still very memorable

Carnages (Delphine Gleize, 2002)- A very funny, somewhat surreal comedy that feels like a mix of Bunuel and Almodovar

La face cachée de la lune (LePage, 2003)- Very interesting autobiographical fiction that mixes drama, comedy, and animation

Sehnsucht (Valeska Grisebach, 2006)- Before there was Western, there was this dogma style gem

Wo bu shi Pan Jin Lian ( Xiaogang Feng, 2016)- Outstanding film about modern China

Vazante (Daniela Thomas, 2017)- I've pumped this film quite a bit in the past year

À tout de suite (Jacquot, 2004)- A homages to the French New Wave that deserves a larger audience

Dreamchild (Gavin Miller, 1985)- A very memorable film about Lewis Carroll and the inspiration for Alice and Wonderland

Svjedoci (Vinko Bresan, 2003)- Another very good film about the Balkan War

Violent (Andrew Huculiak, 2014)- The last moments before a disaster, and a very unique film

Vodka Lemon ( Hiner Salee, 2003)- A very funny Kurdish film

Un amour de Swann (Volker Schlöndorff,1984)- the first volume of Proust that catches the story and characters if not the full scope of the Author's purpose

La sangre brota (Pablo Fedrik, 2008)- A beguiling film from Argentina

La ville est tranquille (Robert Guédiguian, 2000)- Another heavy one, but very well done

Western (Poirier, 1997)- A French road / buddy movie that I thoroughly enjoyed

Jia nian hua (Vivian Qu, 2017)- A very good modern day Chinese drama

Kargaran mashghoole karand (Mani Haghighi, 2006)-dry Iranian comedy from a script by Kiarostami

Fin août, début septembre (Assayas, 1998)- An unsung gem by a pretty well-known director

Los Perros (Marcela Said, 2017)- An unsung Chilean gem

Casa Grande (Felipe Barbosa, 2014)- A very good film about class in Brazil

Swimming to Cambodia (Demme, 1987) A one man show that gets a riveting treatment

Vinicius (2005)- A documentary about one of Brazil's most fascinating song writers.

Next Stop Greenwich Village (Mazursky, 1976)- This film about New York during the Beatnik era put the director and several actors on the map at the time

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Post by OldAle1 » May 14th, 2020, 5:11 pm

I've seen these:

Keshtzar haye sepid (Mohammad Rasoulof, 2009)
Dreamchild (Gavin Miller, 1985)
Fin août, début septembre (Assayas, 1998)
Swimming to Cambodia (Demme, 1987)

All but the Rasoulof were seen when they came out, so memories aren't that clear. I'm really quite astonished that neither Dreamchild or Swimming to Cambodia are on any official lists - you'd think they'd have a chance on one of the cult lists at the very least. If we had a stand-up comedy official list Swimming to Cambodia surely would be a contender, even if it's sit-down. I love the Rasoulof film as I think you know, can't say I remember any of the others well enough to have a meaningful dialogue about them. I may have also seen Un amour de Swann but can't be certain; it's one I"ll see someday, after I finally finish the novel (any year now). Several others that are certainly interesting on the list. Don't have any list like this ready to go myself but I believe we're doing an Unofficial poll later this year so I'll probably work on one then.

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Post by prodigalgodson » May 14th, 2020, 9:08 pm

Awesome list west, thank you! Haven't seen any and think I've only heard of A tout de suite. Cabeza de vaca and the Chinese ones sound most interesting to me, and I love some of Vinicius de Moraes' music (guessing it's that Vinicius), so I'll keep an eye out for that doc too.

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Post by Onderhond » May 14th, 2020, 9:25 pm

From cinewest's list, I can definitely recommend Zhou Yu de huo che. Still held up after rewatch too. I've also seen Wo bu shi Pan Jin Lian, but wouldn't count that amongst Feng's better (or most typical) films.

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Post by pitchorneirda » May 14th, 2020, 9:48 pm

I've only seen Delta and Keshtzar haye sepid, I strongly recommend both of them (both 9/10)

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Post by OldAle1 » May 14th, 2020, 10:36 pm

OK I'll do this anyway, what the hell, I guess I"m in the mood for list-making at the moment. A start anyway. Chronological order after the first one, with # of IMDb votes listed after the date.

1. Batang West Side / West Side Avenue (Lav Diaz, 2001) 124 - this is a top 25-50 all-time film for me, and a film I really think would get some notice if only there was a decent copy available

Nathan der Weise (Manfred Noa, 1922) 114
Seed (John M. Stahl, 1931) 398
Undersea Kingdom (B. Reeves Eason/Joseph Kane, 1936) 461
Uta-andon / The Song Lantern (Mikio Naruse, 1943) 113
Krakatit (Otakar Vávra, 1948) 308 - was on DTC until this past week :(
Okuni to Gohei (Mikio Naruse, 1952) 75
Goha (Jacques Baratier, 1958) 72
El less wal kilab / Chased by the Dogs (Kamal al-Shaikh, 1962) 228
Rape (John Lennon/Yoko Ono, 1969) 82
Themroc (Claude Faraldo, 1973) 1341
Asrar ganj dareheye jenni / The Ghost Valley's Treasure Mysteries (Ebrahim Golestan, 1974) 113
Fällan (Peter Watkins, 1975) 35
Noroît (Jacques Rivette, 1976) 466
Jostoju (Amir Naderi, 1980) 26
The Dark Side to Love (John Carr, 1984) 162
Shadowlands (Norman Stone, 1985) 410
Le soulier de satin / The Satin Slipper (Manoel de Oliveira, 1985) 146
All the Vermeers in New York (Jon Jost, 1993) 431
Ángel de fuego / Angel of Fire (Dana Rotberg, 1992) 155
Frameup (Jon Jost, 1993) 151
Dadetown (Russ Hexter, 1995) 202
The Delicate Art of the Rifle (Dante Harper, 1996) 216
Interview (Hyuk Byun, 2000) 179
Stone Reader (Mark Moskowitz, 2002) 535
Keshtzar haye sepid / The White Meadows (Mohamamad Rasoulof, 2009) 574
Bé omid é didar / Good Bye (Mohammad Rasoulof, 2011) 617
Dast-neveshtehaa nemisoosand / Manuscripts Don't Burn (Mohammad Rasoulf, 2013) 789
Pardé / Closed Curtain (Jafar Panahi/Kambuzia Partovi, 2013) 1050
A Bread Factory Part One (Patrick Wang, 2018) 239
A Bread Factory Part Two (Patrick Wang, 2018) 179

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Post by cinewest » May 15th, 2020, 12:47 am

OldAle1 wrote:
May 14th, 2020, 10:36 pm
OK I'll do this anyway, what the hell, I guess I"m in the mood for list-making at the moment. A start anyway. Chronological order after the first one, with # of IMDb votes listed after the date.

1. Batang West Side / West Side Avenue (Lav Diaz, 2001) 124 - this is a top 25-50 all-time film for me, and a film I really think would get some notice if only there was a decent copy available

Nathan der Weise (Manfred Noa, 1922) 114
Seed (John M. Stahl, 1931) 398
Undersea Kingdom (B. Reeves Eason/Joseph Kane, 1936) 461
Uta-andon / The Song Lantern (Mikio Naruse, 1943) 113
Krakatit (Otakar Vávra, 1948) 308 - was on DTC until this past week :(
Okuni to Gohei (Mikio Naruse, 1952) 75
Goha (Jacques Baratier, 1958) 72
El less wal kilab / Chased by the Dogs (Kamal al-Shaikh, 1962) 228
Rape (John Lennon/Yoko Ono, 1969) 82
Themroc (Claude Faraldo, 1973) 1341
Asrar ganj dareheye jenni / The Ghost Valley's Treasure Mysteries (Ebrahim Golestan, 1974) 113
Fällan (Peter Watkins, 1975) 35
Noroît (Jacques Rivette, 1976) 466
Jostoju (Amir Naderi, 1980) 26
The Dark Side to Love (John Carr, 1984) 162
Shadowlands (Norman Stone, 1985) 410
Le soulier de satin / The Satin Slipper (Manoel de Oliveira, 1985) 146
All the Vermeers in New York (Jon Jost, 1993) 431
Ángel de fuego / Angel of Fire (Dana Rotberg, 1992) 155
Frameup (Jon Jost, 1993) 151
Dadetown (Russ Hexter, 1995) 202
The Delicate Art of the Rifle (Dante Harper, 1996) 216
Interview (Hyuk Byun, 2000) 179
Stone Reader (Mark Moskowitz, 2002) 535
Keshtzar haye sepid / The White Meadows (Mohamamad Rasoulof, 2009) 574
Bé omid é didar / Good Bye (Mohammad Rasoulof, 2011) 617
Dast-neveshtehaa nemisoosand / Manuscripts Don't Burn (Mohammad Rasoulf, 2013) 789
Pardé / Closed Curtain (Jafar Panahi/Kambuzia Partovi, 2013) 1050
A Bread Factory Part One (Patrick Wang, 2018) 239
A Bread Factory Part Two (Patrick Wang, 2018) 179
Thanks for your comments and list. I've only seen a few, and heard of a few more. I have Manuscripts Don't Burn, and A Bread Factory already on my list, and I'll look into the rest.

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Post by matthewscott8 » May 16th, 2020, 1:46 pm

I played the game too:

https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/top+ ... iandujaoo/

Le soulier de satin / The Satin Slipper (1985 - Manoel de Oliveira) 146 votes
Noroît (1976 - Jacques Rivette) 466 votes
Cesarée (1978 - Marguerite Duras) 176 votes
Club de femmes (1936 - Jacques Deval) 69 votes
The Bat Whispers (1930 - Roland West) 802 votes
Fünf Patronenhülsen / Five Cartridges (1960 - Frank Beyer) 153 votes
Deadfall (1968 - Bryan Forbes) 727 votes
Au coeur de la vie / In the Midst of Life (1963 - Robert Enrico) 92 votes
Neskolko dney iz zhizni I.I. Oblomova / Oblomov (1980 - Nikita Mikhalkov) 1947 votes
Mavro livadi / Black Field (2009 - Vardis Marinakis) 628 votes
Winter (2008 - Nathaniel Dorsky) 24 votes
Altair (1995 - Lewis Klahr) 82 votes
Gwen, le livre de sable / Gwen, the Book of Sand (1985 - Jean-François Laguionie) 285 votes
Konets vechnosti / The End of Eternity (1987 - Andrei Yermash) 182 votes
Yume no ginga / Labyrinth of Dreams (1997 - Gakuryû Ishii) 595 votes
Moderato cantabile (1960 - Peter Brook) 662 votes
Maska (2010 - Stephen Quay & Timothy Quay) 122 votes
Into The Unknown (2009 - Deimantas Narkevičius) 13 votes
El mar la mar (2017 - Joshua Bonnetta & J.P. Sniadecki) 166 votes
Entezar / Waiting (1974 - Amir Naderi) 42 votes
Hiso hiso boshi / The Whispering Star (2015 - Sion Sono) 757 votes
Kachagebi, tavi VII / Brigands, chapter VII (1996 - Otar Iosseliani) 294 votes
The History of Mr. Polly (1949 - Anthony Pelissier) 527 votes
Mascara (1987 - Patrick Conrad) 251 votes
Il mistero di Oberwald / The Mystery of Oberwald (1980 - Michaelangelo Antonioni) 738 votes
Grenouilles (1983 - Adolfo Arrieta) 28 votes
O Pintor e a Cidade / The Artist and the City (1956 - Manoel de Oliveira) 206 votes
Love It, Leave It (1973 - Tom Palazzolo) 64 votes
Skorbnoye beschuvstviye / Anaesthesia Psychica Dolorosa / Heartbreak House (1987 - Aleksandr Sokurov) 266 votes
Hatsu yume / Hatsu-Yume (First Dream) (1981 - Bill Viola) 45 votes

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Post by matthewscott8 » May 16th, 2020, 1:52 pm

Cinewest, I second Cabeza de Vaca and Delta. I really was overwhelmed by Delta in the cinema, but note that I've hated every film since by Kornél Mundruczó. Lot of his stuff is opaque and littered with issues the guy has to work through with a psychiatrist, then the doggo movie was a bit to cutesie for me.

Maybe Delta could go to the doubling competition next year?

Ale and I have a couple of goodies in common, Noroît and The Satin Slipper, and I would second Themroc, it would be on my list if my list were longer. This was relatively easy for me to put together, my bottom film First Dream, is #125 on my all time no restrictions top list.

Onderhond and I have Whispering Star in common, and I would have done Ruined Heart if putting together a longer list.

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Post by cinewest » May 16th, 2020, 4:56 pm

matthewscott8 wrote:
May 16th, 2020, 1:52 pm
Cinewest, I second Cabeza de Vaca and Delta. I really was overwhelmed by Delta in the cinema, but note that I've hated every film since by Kornél Mundruczó. Lot of his stuff is opaque and littered with issues the guy has to work through with a psychiatrist, then the doggo movie was a bit to cutesie for me.

Maybe Delta could go to the doubling competition next year?

Ale and I have a couple of goodies in common, Noroît and The Satin Slipper, and I would second Themroc, it would be on my list if my list were longer. This was relatively easy for me to put together, my bottom film First Dream, is #125 on my all time no restrictions top list.

Onderhond and I have Whispering Star in common, and I would have done Ruined Heart if putting together a longer list.
Thanks for joining in, Matt. I'm not familiar with any of your titles, though I have heard of a couple. Agree 100% on Mundruczo, but Delta blew me away in the cinema, as did Cabeza de Vaca. I'll have fun looking into to yours. As I know you are interested in exploring women filmmakers of late, I should mention that at least a half dozen of the films on my list were made by women.

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Post by OldAle1 » May 16th, 2020, 5:24 pm

matthewscott8 wrote:
May 16th, 2020, 1:46 pm
I played the game too:

https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/top+ ... iandujaoo/

Le soulier de satin / The Satin Slipper (1985 - Manoel de Oliveira) 146 votes
Noroît (1976 - Jacques Rivette) 466 votes
Cesarée (1978 - Marguerite Duras) 176 votes
Altair (1995 - Lewis Klahr) 82 votes
Moderato cantabile (1960 - Peter Brook) 662 votes
Entezar / Waiting (1974 - Amir Naderi) 42 votes
Kachagebi, tavi VII / Brigands, chapter VII (1996 - Otar Iosseliani) 294 votes
The History of Mr. Polly (1949 - Anthony Pelissier) 527 votes
O Pintor e a Cidade / The Artist and the City (1956 - Manoel de Oliveira) 206 votes
Seen these of yours. I didn't include any shorts on my list else Entezar would surely have been a candidate; of the rest two are on my list and I like the others, though I have no real memory of the Brook film - saw that as part of a Duras retrospective in 1995. Problem with using a fixed number - 2000 or 200 or 200000 - is that it's not as meaningful for different categories and ages of films. Under 2000 is relatively obscure for a feature from the last 20-30 years - but for most shorts, or documentaries, or nearly any film from the silent era, not so much. La jetée is arguably the most famous short ever but it would only rank 13th in it's vote total for just 1962 if added in with the features. I've always wished there was an easy way to measure obscurity while taking into account these factors; probably is but it would require somebody to crunch a lot of IMDb data to get there.

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Post by Onderhond » May 16th, 2020, 5:30 pm

matthewscott8 wrote:
May 16th, 2020, 1:52 pm
Onderhond and I have Whispering Star in common, and I would have done Ruined Heart if putting together a longer list.
From yours, Yume no Ginga would definitely be in it if the list was longer (or if more people voted for Asian cinema that was readily available :p

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Post by matthewscott8 » May 16th, 2020, 11:27 pm

OldAle1 wrote:
May 16th, 2020, 5:24 pm
matthewscott8 wrote:
May 16th, 2020, 1:46 pm
I played the game too:

https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/top+ ... iandujaoo/

Le soulier de satin / The Satin Slipper (1985 - Manoel de Oliveira) 146 votes
Noroît (1976 - Jacques Rivette) 466 votes
Cesarée (1978 - Marguerite Duras) 176 votes
Altair (1995 - Lewis Klahr) 82 votes
Moderato cantabile (1960 - Peter Brook) 662 votes
Entezar / Waiting (1974 - Amir Naderi) 42 votes
Kachagebi, tavi VII / Brigands, chapter VII (1996 - Otar Iosseliani) 294 votes
The History of Mr. Polly (1949 - Anthony Pelissier) 527 votes
O Pintor e a Cidade / The Artist and the City (1956 - Manoel de Oliveira) 206 votes
Seen these of yours. I didn't include any shorts on my list else Entezar would surely have been a candidate; of the rest two are on my list and I like the others, though I have no real memory of the Brook film - saw that as part of a Duras retrospective in 1995. Problem with using a fixed number - 2000 or 200 or 200000 - is that it's not as meaningful for different categories and ages of films. Under 2000 is relatively obscure for a feature from the last 20-30 years - but for most shorts, or documentaries, or nearly any film from the silent era, not so much. La jetée is arguably the most famous short ever but it would only rank 13th in it's vote total for just 1962 if added in with the features. I've always wished there was an easy way to measure obscurity while taking into account these factors; probably is but it would require somebody to crunch a lot of IMDb data to get there.
Films being on Amos Vogel's list stopped may of my faves from making it into this game. It would definitely be absurd to suggest that any of them were not obscure. So that side of the requirements is a bit leaky too. Loads of DtC only checks too.

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