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World Cup, Season 4, Match 1G: Germany vs Pakistan vs Ukraine vs USA (Apr 22nd)

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Post by joachimt » March 25th, 2020, 3:45 pm

This is match 1G of the fourth season of iCM Forum's Film World Cup.

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GermanyJagdszenen aus NiederbayernHunting Scenes from Bavaria1969klaus78linklink
PakistanJago hua saveraThe Day Shall Dawn1959zhangalanlinklink
UkraineNezabyvayemoyeThe Unforgettable1967Angel Glezlinklink
USACockfighter1974montylinklink

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- You must watch all 4 films before you vote.
- To vote, rank the 4 films from most favorite to least favorite. (note: you're ranking the individual films, not the countries)

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The countries that end at 1st and 2nd place proceed to the next round. The ranking of the match will be decided using these rules:
- Ranked by highest average ranking (= lowest number).
- In case of a tie between two movies, head-to-head determines the winner (how many people thought A>B and how many thought B>A).
- In case there's still a tie after the previous rule or there is a tie between three or four movies, most #1-votes determines the winner.
- Still a tie? Fewest #4-votes determines the winner.
- Still a tie? The match will have a 3 day extension (except when the tie is only between #3 and #4).
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We start with 32 films from 32 countries. Each country has a manager who determines which movie will be watched. In the first round the countries are divided into 8 groups of 4. From each group the countries that end up at #1 and #2 proceed to the next round. In the 2nd round the 16 remaining countries will be divided into 8 matches of 2. The managers pick a new movie. The winner of each match proceeds to the next round. This continues till the final.
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#2

Post by 72aicm » March 25th, 2020, 4:01 pm

The strongest group in this tournament imo:

1. Jagdszenen aus Niederbayern 8.5/10
2. Nezabyvayemoye 8/10
3. Cockfighter 8/10
4. Jago hua savera 7/10

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Post by pitchorneirda » March 25th, 2020, 4:02 pm

1. Jago hua savera 7/10
2. Jagdszenen aus Niederbayern 7/10
3. Cockfighter 6/10
4. Nezabyvayemoye 4/10

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Post by Mario Gaborović » March 25th, 2020, 4:22 pm

1. Cockfighter
2. Jagdszenen aus Niederbayern
3. Jago hua savera
4. Nezabyvayemoye

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Post by beavis » March 27th, 2020, 4:41 pm

1. Jagdszenen aus Niederbayern - 8
2. Cockfighter - 7,5
3. Nezabyvayemoye - 7,5
4. Jago hua savera - 7

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Post by klaus78 » March 27th, 2020, 8:14 pm

1. Jagdszenen aus Niederbayern (Germany) 8/10
2. Cockfighter (USA) 7/10
3. Jago hua savera (Pakistan) 7/10
4. Nezabyvayemoye (Ukraine) 6/10
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Post by jvv » March 29th, 2020, 9:22 pm

1. Jagdszenen aus Niederbayern
2. Cockfighter
3. Jago hua savera
4. Nezabyvayemoye

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Post by Mario Gaborović » March 30th, 2020, 9:53 am

Image Jagdszenen aus Niederbayern 16-2
Image Cockfighter 11-7
Image Jago Hua Savera 6-12
Image Nezabyvaemoe 3-15

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Post by Traveller » March 31st, 2020, 2:44 pm

1. Jagdszenen aus Niederbayern
2. Nezabyvaemoe
3. Jago Hua Savera
4. Cockfighter
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Post by Cocoa » April 1st, 2020, 9:55 am

1. Nezabyvayemoye 8/10
2. Jagdszenen aus Niederbayern 6/10
3. Jago hua savera 5/10
4. Cockfighter 5/10

I only have two films left to watch out of all the first round matches, but out of the 30 films I've seen, Nezabyvayemoye is easily the best film out of all the first round films in my opinion. Definitely fought back tears. Although the editing was a little weird in certain places and some color scenes looked better in black and white, but the shots in color worked well for some of the scenes. It also felt too much like a propaganda film at times, but the same can be said for a lot of great films made in the USSR region over the span of several decades.

Jagdszenen aus Niederbayern had good direction and cinematography. The characters and story itself were too unlikable and left a bad taste in my mouth. All the characters had unlikable traits and even if you're rooting for the main male character or female character at the start of the film and still throughout the middle, both of them possess worse qualities as the film progress even though the viewer is supposed to dislike the town itself and the other residents more, so by the end of the film you're rooting against the town but not really rooting for any particular protagonist character to prevail as well which means you're just waiting for the film to end. If they had just made the main female character or male character with one or two negative scenes cut out, then it would have been better.

Jago hua savera is forgettable. Watched it a few months ago and can't remember it. Looking it up on imdb and wiki only produces the tiniest of memory of the film for me. I gave it a meh rating when I watched it at the time, so I don't feel like I'm forgetting something amazing.

Cockfighter is a film I didn't like and I remember not liking it, so it's last. A lot of scenes are forgettable, but the annoyed pain I felt for this film while watching it is memorable for me.

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Post by joachimt » April 1st, 2020, 11:48 am

Cocoa wrote:
April 1st, 2020, 9:55 am
Jagdszenen aus Niederbayern had good direction and cinematography. The characters and story itself were too unlikable and left a bad taste in my mouth. All the characters had unlikable traits and even if you're rooting for the main male character or female character at the start of the film and still throughout the middle, both of them possess worse qualities as the film progress even though the viewer is supposed to dislike the town itself and the other residents more, so by the end of the film you're rooting against the town but not really rooting for any particular protagonist character to prevail as well which means you're just waiting for the film to end. If they had just made the main female character or male character with one or two negative scenes cut out, then it would have been better.
I fully agree on this and I'm surprised this movie is doing so extremely well in this match.
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Post by joachimt » April 3rd, 2020, 6:16 pm

Close call, but I'll rank them this way:
1. Nezabyvaemoe 7+/10
2. Jago hua savera 7/10
3. Cockfighter 7/10
4. Jagdszenen aus Niederbayern 6/10
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Post by zuma » April 3rd, 2020, 6:58 pm

joachimt wrote:
April 1st, 2020, 11:48 am
Cocoa wrote:
April 1st, 2020, 9:55 am
Jagdszenen aus Niederbayern had good direction and cinematography. The characters and story itself were too unlikable and left a bad taste in my mouth. All the characters had unlikable traits and even if you're rooting for the main male character or female character at the start of the film and still throughout the middle, both of them possess worse qualities as the film progress even though the viewer is supposed to dislike the town itself and the other residents more, so by the end of the film you're rooting against the town but not really rooting for any particular protagonist character to prevail as well which means you're just waiting for the film to end. If they had just made the main female character or male character with one or two negative scenes cut out, then it would have been better.
I fully agree on this and I'm surprised this movie is doing so extremely well in this match.
I am surprised that people need to root for a character or identify with a character. Why does there have to be a hero or someone to root for? I do not understand that mindset.

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Post by zuma » April 3rd, 2020, 7:01 pm

01 - Jagdszenen aus Niederbayern

02 - Cockfighter

03 - Jago hua savera

04 - Nezabyvayemoye

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Post by joachimt » April 3rd, 2020, 7:37 pm

zuma wrote:
April 3rd, 2020, 6:58 pm
joachimt wrote:
April 1st, 2020, 11:48 am
Cocoa wrote:
April 1st, 2020, 9:55 am
Jagdszenen aus Niederbayern had good direction and cinematography. The characters and story itself were too unlikable and left a bad taste in my mouth. All the characters had unlikable traits and even if you're rooting for the main male character or female character at the start of the film and still throughout the middle, both of them possess worse qualities as the film progress even though the viewer is supposed to dislike the town itself and the other residents more, so by the end of the film you're rooting against the town but not really rooting for any particular protagonist character to prevail as well which means you're just waiting for the film to end. If they had just made the main female character or male character with one or two negative scenes cut out, then it would have been better.
I fully agree on this and I'm surprised this movie is doing so extremely well in this match.
I am surprised that people need to root for a character or identify with a character. Why does there have to be a hero or someone to root for? I do not understand that mindset.
My problem was mostly that all the characters were unlikable. It felt like there wasn't a sane people in the whole village, so it felt too unrealistically to me. A bit like a Bruno Dumont movie, but luckily with good cinematography.
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Post by Angel Glez » April 5th, 2020, 11:46 am

1.Nezabyvayemoye
2.Jago hua savera
3.Cockfighter
4.Jagdszenen aus Niederbayern

Fiery competence. :thumbsup:

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Post by joachimt » April 5th, 2020, 4:05 pm

Angel Glez wrote:
April 5th, 2020, 11:46 am
1.Nezabyvayemoye
2.Jago hua savera
3.Cockfighter
4.Jagdszenen aus Niederbayern
Glad to see I'm not alone with this vote. :cheers:
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Post by Smoover » April 5th, 2020, 5:23 pm

1 - Jagdszenen aus Niederbayern 7.0
2 - Cockfighter 7.0
3 - Jago hua savera 6.5
4 - Nezabyvayemoye 5.5

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Post by Armoreska » April 6th, 2020, 9:40 am

I feel like I've hit the jackpot with 2/4 movies having some of the most vivid animal exploitation in a feature film. (Anyone have any other suggestions?) The German entry in particular is quite something. I don't know how it manages to stay in the lead being so negative. But it seems like an accurate portrayal of village life.

Thankfully I saw Cockfighter before.
WIll rewatch Ukraine to make sure where to place it. Currently only 0.5 pts separate the 4.
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Post by Armoreska » April 6th, 2020, 4:21 pm

No, they're all 5.5 for me!
Jago Hua Savera 6-
Jagdszenen aus Niederbayern 5+
Незабываемое 5+
Cockfighter 5+

The Ukrainian film would be better without understanding language or if you didn't watch a ton of this type of movies. Acting sucks, typically cloying script too.
Tough to order the 3 movies.
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Post by kongs_speech » April 6th, 2020, 9:03 pm

I hate to ask, but since I'm still new, could someone send me the links for this batch of films? I participated in the previous match and would love to see and vote on these films as well. :cheers:
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Post by weirdboy » April 7th, 2020, 5:58 am

1. Jagdszenen aus Niederbayern AKA Hunting Scenes from Bavaria (1969) - Peter Fleischmann
2. Cockfighter (1974) - Monte Hellman
3. Nezabyvayemoye (1967) - Yuliya Solntseva
4. Jago Hua Savera AKA The Day Shall Dawn (1959) - A.J. Kardar

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Post by Mario Gaborović » April 7th, 2020, 10:47 am

Knowing monty's persona, I would't be surprised he came across his pick by searching 'cockfighting' on Google for another purpose.

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Post by zhangalan » April 7th, 2020, 12:04 pm

Mario Gaborović wrote:
April 7th, 2020, 10:47 am
Knowing monty's persona, I would't be surprised he came across his pick by searching 'cockfighting' on Google for another purpose.
Or when he searched his own name Monty, he realized there is a director named Monte.

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Post by blocho » April 7th, 2020, 1:52 pm

zhangalan wrote:
April 7th, 2020, 12:04 pm
Mario Gaborović wrote:
April 7th, 2020, 10:47 am
Knowing monty's persona, I would't be surprised he came across his pick by searching 'cockfighting' on Google for another purpose.
Or when he searched his own name Monty, he realized there is a director named Monte.
Or maybe Monty is Monte Hellman.

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Post by joachimt » April 7th, 2020, 5:44 pm

kongs_speech wrote:
April 6th, 2020, 9:03 pm
I hate to ask, but since I'm still new, could someone send me the links for this batch of films? I participated in the previous match and would love to see and vote on these films as well. :cheers:
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Post by zhangalan » April 8th, 2020, 1:08 am

blocho wrote:
April 7th, 2020, 1:52 pm
zhangalan wrote:
April 7th, 2020, 12:04 pm
Mario Gaborović wrote:
April 7th, 2020, 10:47 am
Knowing monty's persona, I would't be surprised he came across his pick by searching 'cockfighting' on Google for another purpose.
Or when he searched his own name Monty, he realized there is a director named Monte.
Or maybe Monty is Monte Hellman.
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The Asphalt Jungle (1950) John Huston, Casablanca (1942) Michael Curtiz, Les Enfants du paradis (1945) Marcel Carné, Goodbye, Dragon Inn (2003) Tsai Ming-liang, House of Flying Daggers (2004) Zhang Yimou, Outcast of the Islands (1951) Carol Reed, Le Samouraï (1967) Jean-Pierre Melville, The Spirit of the Beehive (1973) Victor Erice, Stavisky (1974) Alain Resnais, Storm Over Asia (1928) Vsevolod Pudovkin.
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Post by zhangalan » April 8th, 2020, 1:11 am

Armoreska wrote:
April 6th, 2020, 4:21 pm
No, they're all 5.5 for me!
Jago Hua Savera 6-
Jagdszenen aus Niederbayern 5+
Незабываемое 5+
Cockfighter 5+

The Ukrainian film would be better without understanding language or if you didn't watch a ton of this type of movies. Acting sucks, typically cloying script too.
Tough to order the 3 movies.
Wow, I didn't expect my film will get any first votes.
Thanks!

I have only watched Cockfighter beside my own pick, and I've already known that I'll betray my own nomination. Strong group. :(

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Post by Armoreska » April 8th, 2020, 9:43 am

zhangalan wrote:
April 8th, 2020, 1:11 am
Wow, I didn't expect my film will get any first votes.
Thanks!
Yeah and with 2nd-lowest rating so far
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Post by Muellwind » April 9th, 2020, 11:12 pm

1. Jagdszenen aus Niederbayern
2. Nezabyvayemoye
3. Cockfighter
4. Jago hua savera

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Post by zhangalan » April 10th, 2020, 5:28 am

Just finished Jagdszenen aus Niederbayern.
Interestingly I notice almost every viewer on Douban compares it with The White Ribbon.

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Post by pitchorneirda » April 10th, 2020, 8:00 am

zhangalan wrote:
April 10th, 2020, 5:28 am
Just finished Jagdszenen aus Niederbayern.
Interestingly I notice almost every viewer on Douban compares it with The White Ribbon.
I'm surprised they do. Haneke has longstanding issues with bourgeoisie. "Jagdszenen" is more centered on the peasant mentality. I mean there were farmers in The White Ribbon but the movie revolves around the doctor, the teacher, the barons...

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Post by zhangalan » April 11th, 2020, 6:34 am

1.Cockfighter
2.Jago hua savera
3.Jagdszenen aus Niederbayern
4.Nezabyvayemoye

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Post by Mario Gaborović » April 11th, 2020, 7:14 am

Image Jagdszenen aus Niederbayern 36-12
Image Cockfighter 23-25
Image Jago Hua Savera 19-29
Image Nezabyvaemoe 18-30

12 days left.

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Post by mathiasa » April 14th, 2020, 2:30 pm

1. Cockfighter. Only movie I‘ve seen before from this batch. It‘s a masterpiece and the death nail for is contenders. 9.7/10
2. Jago Hua Savera. Wonfderful sound design, great atmosphere. Masterly slow pace. 7.0/10
2. Nezabyvyemoye. #2 and #3 were sowewhat close. I was willing to give this the advantage to this because it‘s not in an official. At least in the beginnin, then I changed my opinoion. I still hope that will become official soon 6.4
4. Jagdszenen aus Niederbayers. This got mentioned a lot on the forum so I was in high spirits, unless joachimt said it‘s basically a bruno dumont movie with great cinä——————— mököpöpööpppöppöematrography. It is more like the 12 years old version von dumont mad with A comptetemt cineamtographer. The movie appeals mostly to juveniles who do not yet understand how the world world. In all its crazyness it does have some delights. I even wached it in the morning where Ím the most impressable. 3.9/10

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Post by sacmersault » April 14th, 2020, 5:37 pm

I've only seen the Pakistani film, but is anyone else bothered by the fact that the film was about Bangladesh, filmed in Bangladesh and sponsored by the East Pakistan government (Bangladesh) and even shows up as Bangladesh under IMDb?

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Post by Mario Gaborović » April 14th, 2020, 5:42 pm

sacmersault wrote:
April 14th, 2020, 5:37 pm
I've only seen the Pakistani film, but is anyone else bothered by the fact that the film was about Bangladesh, filmed in Bangladesh and sponsored by the East Pakistan government (Bangladesh) and even shows up as Bangladesh under IMDb?
It's a co-production of two Pakistans actually, with the director being Pakistani as well.

Century Films was based in today's day Pakistan, while the other company wasn't.

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Post by kingink » April 14th, 2020, 8:03 pm

01 - Jagdszenen aus Niederbayern

02 - Jago hua savera

03 - Nezabyvayemoye

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Post by sacmersault » April 14th, 2020, 8:04 pm

I know the director is from Lahore, but it was filmed in Bangladesh with locals and the whole theme of the movie is about Bangladeshi society. I, also, thought that we take the first country posted under IMDb as the country of origin.

I think just for future sake we should specify how countries can be assigned to a country. Otherwise you could choose an Indian film filmed while they were part of Britain, with a company from the UK and consider that a UK film. Same from Algerian films counting as French for a while. Or even the former Soviet, Czechoslovak and Yugoslav countries become muddy and can be used for any of the countries.

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