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iCMFF19 - English-Language Independents

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iCMFF19 - English-Language Independents

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Post by outdoorcats » November 9th, 2019, 2:11 am

Welcome to the 2019 iCheckMovies Film Festival!

Festival Dates: Nov. 9-Dec. 2

Please rate the films the films you've seen on a scale from 1-10 to help contribute to this year's Audience Award.
(Ratings are due by the end of day on December 2nd EST to be counted)

This is the thread where all users can rate and discuss the films in this year's English-Language Independents section. We're looking forward to everyone in the iCM Forum community taking part!

Anyone who watches all 4 films in this section can also help jury this section.



Lean on Pete dir. Andrew Haigh. 2017, 121 min. :imdb::ICM:
When a teenager grows attached to the aging horse he takes care of, he embarks on a cross-country journey to save it from the slaughterhouse.
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Ray & Liz dir. Richard Billingham. 2018, 108 min. :imdb::ICM:
Photographer Richard Billingham returns to the squalid council flat outside of Birmingham where he and his brother were raised in this stunningly captured autobiographical film.
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Support the Girls dir. Andrew Bujalski. 2018, 93 min. :imdb::ICM:
The general manager at a highway-side ''sports bar with curves" has her incurable optimism and faith, in her girls, her customers, and herself, tested over the course of a long, strange day.
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Thunder Road dir. Jim Cummings. 2018, 92 min. :imdb::ICM:
A police officer faces a personal meltdown following a divorce and the death of his mother in this dark comedy of immaturity, adapted from Cumming's award-winning short.
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Post by maxwelldeux » November 10th, 2019, 4:54 pm

All - I'm in charge of collecting ratings for the sections, so please keep a few things in mind to help make my life just a bit easier:

- Please use the English titles when noting your ratings
- Make sure you report your ratings on the 1-10 IMDB scale
- Don't edit your posts - please make a new post when you add more ratings (so I actually see them)
- If you see any errors or omissions on my data collection, please point it out to me.

If you want to see the ratings and follow along, here is the spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

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Post by Teproc » November 10th, 2019, 6:26 pm

Lean on Pete - 7/10 - As far as naturalistic dramas involving horses go, 2017 was a pretty good year.
Thunder Road - 8/10 - Great opening, manages a very difficult tonal balance from there, excellent performance by Jim Cummings.

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Post by mightysparks » November 11th, 2019, 12:48 pm

A total coincidence I watched two very different custody battle films back to back...

Thunder Road (2018) 6/10
A police officer struggles with the death of his mother whilst he goes through a divorce and custody battle. This was a pretty awkward black comedy but not all of it worked, and nothing worked amazingly well. There are a lot of long takes, particularly the opening funeral scene, and these are decently successful at building moments of cringe and sometimes, a bit of sadness. But there are also a lot of overly long speeches (like his screaming in the carpark) that are too overdone. Jim Cummings' performance was good and held it all together even when it wasn't quite working. The character was annoyingly emotional; he's frustrating and child-ish and not exactly likable, yet he always remains sympathetic. It was also a refreshing male role.
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Post by cinephage » November 11th, 2019, 4:14 pm

I can only rate one title :

Lean on Pete 7,5/10

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Post by maxwelldeux » November 12th, 2019, 12:34 am

Thunder Road: 8.5/10

Damn... This one got me.
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We have a guy who is used to being in control and doing his best to hold it together despite his entire life falling apart around him. All in all, I thought it was a hilarious and emotionally nuanced dark comedy. From the opening scene, I was howling with laughter - kinda glad I was home alone. So much hilarity and awkwardness mixed in with the depth.

I think I related to the main character quite a bit - I've not been in his exact situation, but I've felt my entire life is a complete failure and my entire goal every moment is to just not lose it. Sometimes I get rambly, sometimes I just start screaming. Perhaps in response to this film, my lawnmower and I had a bit of a disagreement today. But every single bit of the movie seemed spot on - I get the rambling. I get saying wildly (or mildly) inappropriate things because you didn't read the situation correctly. I get having physical arguments with inanimate objects. It all seemed real and genuine to me.

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Post by Ivan0716 » November 14th, 2019, 4:11 pm

Thunder Road - 6.6
Support the Girls - 6.4

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Post by blocho » November 14th, 2019, 8:10 pm

Lean on Pete 9/10

Beautiful movie. It was on my 500<400 list this year. I also read the novel, which was similarly excellent although more bleak.

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Post by beavis » November 14th, 2019, 8:32 pm

1. Ray & Liz - 8
2. Support the Girls - 7,5
3. Lean on Pete - 7,5
4. Thunder Road - 7

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Post by kingink » November 15th, 2019, 3:55 pm

Lean on Pete 8/10
Ray & Liz 6/10
Support the Girls 6/10
Thunder Road 5/10

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Post by connordenney » November 16th, 2019, 2:39 pm

SUPPORT THE GIRLS 8/10

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Post by mightysparks » November 17th, 2019, 8:00 am

Support the Girls (2018) 5/10
A manager of a sports bar featuring skimpily dressed waitresses has a trying day balancing her job, her staff, and her personal life. Though most of the actors do well at breathing life into these realistic characters, the characters are all extremely unpleasant and difficult to care about. And the actors that don't do it so well are nearly painful to watch. There is not much of a plot; it's more a series of events that flow into each other, but it's poorly paced and the characters and their problems are just not interesting enough for it to work. Despite constantly referring to how much they consider each other 'family', this connection between them never feels genuine.
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Post by lynchs » November 18th, 2019, 2:40 pm

only one,

Lean on Pete (2017) 7/10 enjoyable enough

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Post by xianjiro » November 19th, 2019, 3:43 pm

Lean on Pete - 8
Ray & Liz - 8
Support the Girls - 7
Thunder Road - 8

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Post by mightysparks » November 22nd, 2019, 9:51 am

Ray & Liz (2018) 6/10
A portrait of a poor family growing up in 1970s and 1980s Britain as they struggle with poverty, alcoholism and depression. This film doesn't have much plot, and instead feels more like a series of Polaroid moments brought to life with its boxed-in ratio and late 70s aesthetic. Whilst this gives it a nice detached feel and helps to expand scenes into something bigger that would seem otherwise irrelevant (such as the uncle getting drunk and passing out), it's hard to get too involved in it. The 'present day' scenes also disrupt the pacing, but come together at the end. All the actors give good performances and help the characters to feel real.
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Post by mightysparks » November 23rd, 2019, 9:31 am

Lean on Pete (2017) 6/10
A teenager finds work a job caring for an aging racehorse, but upon discovering his owner has sold him for slaughter and suffering a tragedy, he steals the horse and embarks across the country to find his aunt. This was pretty misleading being sold as a sad horse story, it is really about the teenager has he deals with the various issues of being a suddenly homeless kid traveling alone with a horse. Though it sometimes feels a bit like 'misery porn' as everything keeps getting worse, it avoids feeling too sappy or melodramatic with its naturalistic feel and quiet score. Charley's character is also refreshing and likable, with a good performance by Charlie Plummer, and whose temperament and some plot points are very similar to my boyfriend's so it was difficult to not feel somewhat attached.


Finished this section, all the films felt kind of similar (a quiet, natural restraint thing going on), but were all pretty different.

1. Lean on Pete (2017) 6/10
2. Thunder Road (2018) 6/10
3. Ray & Liz (2018) 6/10
4. Support the Girls (2018) 5/10
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Post by John Milton » November 24th, 2019, 1:30 pm

Wow, I haven't seen a single one of this category, although three of those titles are on my to watch pile.

Next year (?) hopefully I'll see this ICM Film Festival sooner, so I'll have more time to watch the nominations.

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Post by maxwelldeux » November 24th, 2019, 3:05 pm

Support the Girls: 6/10

A tough-but-fair manager takes care of her staff at (basically) Hooters. It was fine - but it felt a little stale to me, like it was just another iteration of the "we're all friends" on staff genre. Some good moments on how they dealt with sexism and misogyny, but it left me a little underwhelmed.

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Post by AB537 » November 28th, 2019, 11:51 pm

Support the Girls: 6.5/10 ... Not that good, not that bad ... Kind of surprised this made it onto the TSPDT 21st century list

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Post by kingink » December 4th, 2019, 10:48 am

I forgot to rank them

1. Lean on Pete
2. Ray and Liz
3. Support the girls
4. Thunder road

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Post by outdoorcats » December 4th, 2019, 11:07 pm

beavis/mighty/kingink/xian, are we OK calling Lean on Pete the winner of this section?

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Post by mightysparks » December 4th, 2019, 11:10 pm

All good with me
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Post by maxwelldeux » December 4th, 2019, 11:56 pm

outdoorcats wrote:
December 4th, 2019, 11:07 pm
beavis/mighty/kingink/xian, are we OK calling Lean on Pete the winner of this section?
The data support this decision. :thumbsup:

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Post by xianjiro » December 5th, 2019, 2:10 am

agreed, though I'm guessing some might not like the decision B)

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Post by kingink » December 5th, 2019, 6:51 pm

It was the clear winner for me so I am more than happy with this outcome!

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