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World Cup, Season 3, Match SF-B: England vs Japan (Mar 21st->24th)

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Post by joachimt » March 7th, 2019, 8:12 pm

This is match Semi Final B of the third season of iCM Forum's Film World Cup.

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EnglandPool of London1951funkybusinesslinklink
JapanChiyari FujiA Bloody Spear on Mount Fuji1955montylinklink

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- You must watch both films before you vote.
- To vote, post which of the two movies is your favorite. (note: you're ranking the individual films, not the countries)

Voting deadline = Mar 21st
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Voting deadline for 3-day extension = Mar 24th
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The country that ends at 1st place proceeds to the next round. The ranking of the match will be decided using these rules:
- Movie with most votes wins.
- In case of a tie the match will have a 3 day extension.
Here's a quick summary of how the tournament worksShow
We start with 48 films from 48 countries. Each country has a manager who determines which movie will be watched. In the first round the countries are divided into 12 groups of 4. From each group the countries that end up at #1 and #2 proceed to the next round. In the 2nd round the 24 remaining countries will be divided into 8 groups of 3. The managers pick a new movie. The winner of each group proceeds to the next round. The final 8 countries compete one-on-one in the quarter finals (with a new movie of course) and so on till the final.
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#2

Post by beavis » March 7th, 2019, 8:21 pm

1. A Bloody Spear on Mount Fuji - 7,5
2. Pool of London - 7

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Post by zuma » March 7th, 2019, 8:37 pm

01 - Pool of London

02 - A Bloody Spear on Mount Fuji

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Post by Armoreska » March 7th, 2019, 8:40 pm

Whoever wins, the final against USA sounds epic.
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Post by pitchorneirda » March 7th, 2019, 11:14 pm

1. Chiyari Fuji (Japan) - 6/10
2. Pool of London (England) - 4/10

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Post by Cocoa » March 8th, 2019, 8:21 pm

1. Chiyari Fuji 5/10
2. Pool of London 5/10

Chiyari Fuji is the only new watch for me during the WC semi-finals. I was close to giving Chiyari Fuji a better rating, but sadly the film felt too uneven for me with some interesting moments and other parts falling flat. I've only seen four Basil Dearden directed films and Pool of London is the one I rated lowest out of the four.

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Post by Angel Glez » March 9th, 2019, 9:27 am

1. Pool of London
2. Chiyari Fuji

Good choices.

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Post by joachimt » March 9th, 2019, 10:06 am

1. Pool of London 8/10
2. Chiyari Fuji 7/10

The last 30 minutes of Pool of London were top-notch. Otherwise I would have voted for Japan.
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Post by Smoover » March 9th, 2019, 8:31 pm

1. A Bloody Spear on Mount Fuji - 7.0
2. Pool of London - 6.5

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Post by Armoreska » March 9th, 2019, 9:56 pm

Japan 4-3 England
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Post by 72allinncallme » March 10th, 2019, 8:31 pm

01 - Pool of London
02 - A Bloody Spear on Mount Fuji

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Post by clemmetarey » March 10th, 2019, 8:32 pm

1. Chiyari Fuji (1955) 5/10
2. Pool of London (1951) 5/10

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Post by Nathan Treadway » March 10th, 2019, 10:36 pm

1. Pool of London
2. Chiyari Fuji

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Post by jvv » March 10th, 2019, 11:50 pm

1. Pool of London - 7/10
2. Chiyari Fuji - 7/10

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Post by joachimt » March 11th, 2019, 8:56 am

This goes back and forth the whole time. Not even three of the same votes in a row so far.

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Post by edward5 » March 11th, 2019, 1:02 pm

1. 血槍富士 Chiyari Fuji. 8/10
2. Pool of London. 7/10

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Post by Mario Gaborović » March 13th, 2019, 4:37 pm

1. Pool of London
2. Chiyari Fuji

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » March 13th, 2019, 5:13 pm

A very tough call for me, I like them both about equally.

1. Pool of London (1951): 8.0 - This mixes some classic genres; romance, heist and suspense, very well, while also giving a sharp character-study, combining it with a realistic ambiance by setting it in the London harbor district.In the end it wins because of the bonus points for dealing so well with racial prejudices in a 50s British movie.
2. Chiyari Fuji [A Bloody Spear on Mount Fuji] (1955): 8.0 - Like many I suspected a more action heavy samurai movie based on the intriguing title. But I got a good movie that shifts very well from the comedic tones at the start to more dramatic tone at the end with social class commentary mixed in.

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Post by joachimt » March 13th, 2019, 6:00 pm

Image Pool of London: 8
Image Chiyari Fuji: 6
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Post by klaus78 » March 14th, 2019, 12:11 am

1. Chiyari Fuji (Japan) 8/10
2. Pool of London (England) 7/10
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Post by burneyfan » March 14th, 2019, 8:35 pm

1. Chiyari Fuji (Japan)
2. Pool of London (England)

Pool of London was great, but Chiyari Fuji was already a favorite and held its status on my third rewatch. Both great films -- thanks!

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Post by blocho » March 17th, 2019, 5:59 am

I enjoyed both, loved neither, and found it very difficult to choose between the two. If I rewatched both tomorrow, I might have a different order.

1. Pool of London
2. Chiyari Fuji

There were fascinating similarities between the two, such as a focus on the lower classes and criticism of social boundaries. As an aside, does someone with a more thorough knowledge of Japanese movies than me know how common it was for jidaigeki movies to criticize the samurai system? Besides Bloody Spear, I can easily think of something like Harakiri, but I feel like movies with that sort of commentary were pretty rare.

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Post by TajSamKojiJesam » March 17th, 2019, 8:29 am

Directors like Satsuo Yamamoto and Tadashi Imai were also known for "socially conscious" samurai movies. There were other cases too.

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Post by monty » March 17th, 2019, 9:12 am

Well, the anti-feudal drama is after all one of the major subgenres of post-WW2 jidaigeki. I suggest you check out films like Fuefukigawa (1960), Bakumatsu zankoku monogatari (1964), Sword of the Beast (1965) and Samurai Rebellion (1967).

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Post by Armoreska » March 17th, 2019, 9:51 am

monty wrote:
March 17th, 2019, 9:12 am
Well, the anti-feudal drama is after all one of the major subgenres of post-WW2 jidaigeki. I suggest you check out films like Fuefukigawa (1960), Bakumatsu zankoku monogatari (1964), Sword of the Beast (1965) and Samurai Rebellion (1967).
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Post by hurluberlu » March 17th, 2019, 11:38 am

1. Pool of London 7
2. Chiyari Fuji 7-
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Post by metaller » March 17th, 2019, 6:07 pm

A close round for me, with two high quality films.

1. Pool of London
2. Chiyari Fuji

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Post by joachimt » March 17th, 2019, 8:04 pm

First time that a movie got three votes in a row.

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Post by cayado-coro » March 17th, 2019, 9:03 pm

1.Chiyari Fuji (Japan)
2.Pool of London (England)

Chiyari Fuji is, along with Yôtô monogatari: hana no Yoshiwara hyakunin-giri, Uchida's best. An almost unbeatable contender.

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Post by Mate_cosido » March 17th, 2019, 11:34 pm

1. Chiyari Fuji
2. Pool of London

I loved Pool of London, but it couldn't beat one of my all time favourites

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Post by Armoreska » March 19th, 2019, 9:19 pm

Chiyari Fuji 7+
Pool of London 7

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WHERE ARE ALL THE VOTERS ITS THE EASIEST TO WATCH ROUND
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Post by joachimt » March 20th, 2019, 8:03 pm

Armoreska wrote:
March 19th, 2019, 9:19 pm
WHERE ARE ALL THE VOTERS ITS THE EASIEST TO WATCH ROUND
Indeed. Where is everybody? I expect at least 13 more votes and there's only 1.5 days left.
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Post by Lilarcor » March 20th, 2019, 11:57 pm

1. Pool of London
2. Chiyari Fuji

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Post by maxwelldeux » March 21st, 2019, 12:22 am

joachimt wrote:
March 20th, 2019, 8:03 pm
Armoreska wrote:
March 19th, 2019, 9:19 pm
WHERE ARE ALL THE VOTERS ITS THE EASIEST TO WATCH ROUND
Indeed. Where is everybody? I expect at least 13 more votes and there's only 1.5 days left.
Not that I'm a regular participant, but this just totally slipped my mind. Just need to watch Japan and I'll vote.

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Post by tommy_leazaq » March 21st, 2019, 3:02 am

1. Pool of London - 7.5
2. A Bloody spear on Mount Fuji - 7.5

Absolutely tough to rank them. Both are really good. Not sure if I would rank the same way if I am asked after a month but currently British film edges ahead just because I felt the end at the Fuji is bit forced.

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Post by mjf314 » March 21st, 2019, 7:24 am

1. Chiyari Fuji
2. Pool of London

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Post by Mario Gaborović » March 21st, 2019, 12:52 pm

Image Pool of London: 13
Image Chiyari Fuji: 12

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Post by maxwelldeux » March 21st, 2019, 4:21 pm

1. Chiyari Fuji
2. Pool of London

I had a lot of fun with Fuji... solid choices both.

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Post by zuma » March 21st, 2019, 5:21 pm

mjf314 wrote:
March 21st, 2019, 7:24 am
1. Chiyari Fuji
2. Pool of London
What the hell is with voting 16 hours early? Shocker. ;)

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Post by Fergenaprido » March 21st, 2019, 5:47 pm

1. Pool of London - 7.6
2. Chiyari Fuji - 7ish

Saw Pool of London a few years ago, and quite liked it.

Juts finished Chiyari Fuji, and have to admit it's not for me. Embarrassingly, I got confused with the multiple characters, so some storylines took a while for me to catch on to because I couldn't figure out who was who. I think if I had a better understanding of feudal Japan I would have enjoyed this more. I also couldn't tell if this film wanted to be a heart-rending drama or a side-splitting comedy.
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But the father who sold his daughter (to what I assume is a brothel) for 30 pieces, only to then slave away in a mine to buy her back... why not just work in the mine in the first place? I'm sure there's something obvious I'm missing that will show my ignorance. And the final fight seen was so laughable, I didn't feel the tension or the high stakes that the music was trying to impose upon the audience.
What affected me the most was the portrayal of the servitude of the common people to the rich. It seems outlandish from a Western and individualistic perspective, but I realize it's fairly accurate. It boils my blood to know that this mentality has persisted to the present day, and this blind obedience and trust to authority has had tragic consequences.
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