World Cup, Season 3, Match 1J: Greece vs Mexico vs Bosnia and Herzegovina vs Thailand

[joachimt]

This is match 1J of the third season of iCM Forum's Film World Cup.

Country	Original Title	English Title	Year	Manager	IMDB	ICM
Greece	O fovos	The Fear	1966	tommy_leazaq	link	link
Mexico	Macario		1960	Daviddoes	link	link
Bosnia and Herzegovina	Sjecas li se Dolly Bell?	Do You Remember Dolly Bell?	1981	Cynical Cinephile	link	link
Thailand	36		2012	Lonewolf2003	link	link

Screenshots

O fovos


Macario


Sjecas li se Dolly Bell?


36

Voting Rules:
- You must watch all 4 films before you vote.
- To vote, rank the 4 films from most favorite to least favorite. (note: you're ranking the individual films, not the countries)

Voting deadline = Jul 4th
Countdown till deadline

The countries that end at 1st and 2nd place proceed to the next round. The ranking of the match will be decided using these rules:
- Ranked by lowest average ranking.
- In case of a tie between two movies, head-to-head determines the winner (how many people thought A>B and how many thought B>A).
- In case there's still a tie after the previous rule or there is a tie between three or four movies, most #1-votes determines the winner.
- Still a tie? Fewest #4-votes determines the winner.
- Still a tie? The match will have a 3 day extension (except when the tie is only between #3 and #4).

Here's a quick summary of how the tournament works

We start with 48 films from 48 countries. Each country has a manager who determines which movie will be watched. In the first round the countries are divided into 12 groups of 4. From each group the countries that end up at #1 and #2 proceed to the next round. In the 2nd round the 24 remaining countries will be divided into 8 groups of 3. The managers pick a new movie. The winner of each group proceeds to the next round. The final 8 countries compete one-on-one in the quarter finals (with a new movie of course) and so on till the final.

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[Mario Gaborović]

1. O fovos
2. Macario
3. Sjećaš li se, Dolly Bell?
4. 36

The title of Bosnian film is a question directed at Dolly Bell, he asks her if she remembers. It's not like he's asking third person if he remembers Dolly Bell. It confuses one whenever a comma isn't rightfully put.

[Muellwind]

1. Macario
2. O fovos
3. Sjećaš li se, Dolly Bell?
4. 36

[Cocoa]

1. Macario 7/10
2. Sjecas li se Dolly Bell? 7/10
3. 36 6/10
4. O fovos 6/10

[beavis]

1. 36 - 8,5
2. O fovos - 7,5
3. Sjecas li se Dolly Bell? - 7,5
4. Macario - 7,5

very strong round, yet still a clear winner for me thankfully

[joachimt]

1. O fovos 8/10
2. Macario 7/10
3. Sjecas li se Dolly Bell? 6/10
4. 36 5/10

[zhangalan]

Great choices from Mexico and Greece.
1. Macario
2. O fovos
3. 36
4. Sjećaš li se, Dolly Bell?

[Mario Gaborović]

Macario (13-5)
O fovos (12-6)
Sjećaš li se, Dolly Bell? (6-12)
36 (5-13)

[Pretentious Hipster]

1. Ο φόβος [The Fear] (1966) 10/10
2. Macario (1960)
3. 36 (2012)
4. Sjećaš li se Dolly Bell? [Do You Remember Dolly Bell?] (1981)

[klaus78]

1. O fovos (Greece) 8/10
2. Sjecas li se Dolly Bell? (Bosnia and Herzegovina) 7/10
3. Macario (Mexico) 7/10
4. 36 (Thailand) 6/10

[joachimt]

The scorings for the current running matches, 1I and 1J, are pretty boring. Seems already clear which two are the favorites. But a lot can happen of course. Only 8 votes so far here.

O fovos: 1.75 (18-6)
Macario: 2 (16-8)
Sjecas li se Dolly Bell?: 3 (8-16)
36: 3.25 (6-18)

[Mario Gaborović]

I wonder how would Theo Angelopoulos do in this contest. I cant stand that pretentious fuck.

[Mate_cosido]

1. Macario

2. O fovos

3. Sjecas li se Dolly Bell?

4. 36

[zhangalan]

This group is so one-sided compared with the others.
Not even Kusturica (in fact I think Dolly Bell is his weaker work) can resist two forum mafia!

[zhangalan]

I wonder how would Theo Angelopoulos do in this contest. I cant stand that pretentious fuck.

Same here.
I do like his The Hunter and Alexander the Great though.

But Greece has a lot hidden gems to offer. No need to choose Angelopoulos.

[Mario Gaborović]

This group is so one-sided compared with the others.
Not even Kusturica (in fact I think Dolly Bell is his weaker work) can resist two forum mafia!

Although his later works aren't Bosnian production. He left the country for good after "Time of the Gypsies" (original title is translated as Home for Hanging).

[72aicm]

Looks like I’m on board with the board again.

1. O fovos
2. Macario
3. Sjecas li se Dolly Bell?
4. 36

[Angel Glez]

1.Macario
...
2.The Fear
3.Do You Remember Dolly Bell?
...
4.36

[joachimt]

O fovos: 1.727 (25-8)
Macario: 1.818 (24-9)
Sjecas li se Dolly Bell?: 3 (11-22)
36: 3.455 (6-27)

[Smoover]

1. Sjećaš li se, Dolly Bell? 8.0
2. O fovos 7.5
3. Macario 7.0
4. 36 6.0

[matthewscott8]

I hope I'm not breaking the rules by commenting on the films ;) I watched O Fovos last night. It seems the forum world cup likes well made, accessible, old, black and white movies with sex crimes, Es geschah am hellichten Tag being another example. Maybe a good formula to advance?!?! Contemporary conceptual movies probably less so, though I will give 36 every chance!!

I was (worryingly) reminded of my own childhood a bit watching this, brutal and stupid patriarchal father strangling his kids; "do as I say not as I do" philosophy; kind-hearted overly deferent long-suffering mother. The scene when Anestis dances is magical. Sadness of the way they deal with sexual morality. Melancholy beauty of the countryside. Had wanted some of those shots to linger longer, but that was not the way back then. O Fovos has set a high benchmark.

I am a little surprised Dolly Bell is falling by the wayside as I thought that was a popular movie, excited to see it.

[Armoreska]

Macario 8-
O fovos 7
36=6*6
Sjecas li se Dolly Bell? 6

[joachimt]

I will give 36 every chance!!

You're almost alone in this. So far out of 13 voters only one person rated it #1 and none rated it #2.

[beavis]

I will give 36 every chance!!

You're almost alone in this. So far out of 13 voters only one person rated it #1 and none rated it #2.

and this is the biggest mystery / outrage of the cup so far
such an amazing talent, and a movie that is both formalistically minimalistic and very accesible at the same time. I guess it takes a certain mindset to really dig it that does not match well with what else is selected… it really is a mystery to me... the other three are very fine, but not great masterpieces either, so it should not be a case of too strong competition...

[zhangalan]

I will give 36 every chance!!

You're almost alone in this. So far out of 13 voters only one person rated it #1 and none rated it #2.

and this is the biggest mystery / outrage of the cup so far
such an amazing talent, and a movie that is both formalistically minimalistic and very accesible at the same time. I guess it takes a certain mindset to really dig it that does not match well with what else is selected… it really is a mystery to me... the other three are very fine, but not great masterpieces either, so it should not be a case of too strong competition...

I like the concept and shots of 36. However, O fovos and Macario are two masterpieces great in both content and visuals, and they are hard to beat.

[zhangalan]

And guess what? Mexico defeats Germany in the real World Cup!

[Gorro]

1. Macario
2. O fovos
3. Sjecas Li Se Dolly Bell
4. 36

[jdidaco]

Excellent round, congratulations to the four managers,

1. O fovos
2. Macario
3. Sjecas li se Dolly Bell?
4. 36

[Fergenaprido]

After missing the last two rounds, I should be able to vote again this time since I still have a week left and I'm not moving around anymore. Plus, I've seen 1 so only 3 to go which I can probably do over the weekend. So I, too, will give 36 a chance :p

I really liked O fovos when I saw it a while back, though, so it may be hard top that.

[burneyfan]

1. Macario (Mexico)
2. O fovos (Greece)
3. Sjecas Li Se Dolly Bell (Bosnia & Herzegovina)
4. 36 (Thailand)

Such a tough round -- three of these four films were in my Favorites list (and the other film was good, too!). Thanks to tommy, Daviddoes, Cynical Cinephile, and Lonewolf for some great films!

[weirdboy]

1. Macario
2. O fovos
3. 36
4. Sjecas li se Dolly Bell?

[zuma]

01. O fovos

02. 36

03. Sjecas li se Dolly Bell?

04. Macario

[Renegade]

1. Macario
2. O fovos
3. 36
4. Sjecas li se Dolly Bell?

[toro913]

1. O fovos
2. Sjecas li se Dolly Bell?
3. Macario
4. 36

[clemmetarey]

1. 36 (2012) 7/10
2. Macario (1960) 5/10
3. Sjecas li se Dolly Bell? (1981) 5/10
4. O fovos (1966) 5/10

Clear winner for me (although the others were fine too), such a nice film about memories and loss.

[joachimt]

(although the others were fine too)

Always interesting to see the different definitions of ratings. 5/10 is certainly not "fine" in my book. 5/10 is mostly "boring" or "bad but didn't hate it".

[clemmetarey]

(although the others were fine too)

Always interesting to see the different definitions of ratings. 5/10 is certainly not "fine" in my book. 5/10 is mostly "boring" or "bad but didn't hate it".

It doesn't help that my rating system is quite messy, even for myself. I mostly go with my feelings ''this movie deserves a...''. A 5/10 is average, but it goes from fine to boring, it depends on other factors, such as the music, the dialogues for example. ''bad but didn't hate it'' would be 4 or 3.

[edward5]

1. Macario 7.5/10
2. O fovos 7.5/10
3. 36 6/10
4. Sjecas li se Dolly Bell? 6/10

[joachimt]

It's very clear which two will be proceeding, but at least the race for #1 is very close.

Macario: 1.818 (48-18)
O fovos: 1.818 (48-18)
Sjecas li se Dolly Bell?: 3.045 (21-45)
36: 3.318 (15-51)

O fovos - Macario: 10 - 12

[Nathan Treadway]

1. O fovos
2. 36
3. Dolly Bell
4. Macario