Rainy Red Carpet wrote: ↑
June 14th, 2019, 10:35 pm
Cippenham wrote: ↑
June 14th, 2019, 7:53 pm
Fascism once again misused. It only happens if you have a dictatorship. USA is officially a flawed democracy, not a dictatorship so not fascist. Lots of people choose to vote and many voted Trump. Some of his policies are successful and has so far avoided or stopped wars. For example he lost control of the House. That means there is democracy in the USA. If it was fascist, would not be allowed opposition like that.
'Opposition to what? They may disagree around the edges but they're fundamentally the same.
The United States of America are governed as a "Federal presidential constitutional republic" according to the font of all knowledge
. The CIA says, "constitutional federal republic" in the World Factbook
. I remember being taught in school that the US isn't a true democracy since the people vote for representatives to make the decisions in the name of the people. The phrase I remember was "representative republic" or "representative democracy" which is quite different from direct democracy. So it's seems like our resident rightwinger is also being a bit disingenuous.
Is the system flawed? Depends on who one talks to. An "officially a flawed democracy"? Wonder who gets to make a call like making it official. Yes, the "Economic Intelligence Unit" added the US to it's "flawed democracy" category largely based on a perception that "popular confidence in the functioning of public institutions has declined". And before one rushes to blame the kakistanis in the Shite House, they state
“This has been a long-term trend and one that preceded the election of Mr Trump. By tapping a deep strain of political disaffection with the functioning of democracy, Mr Trump became a beneficiary of the low esteem in which US voters hold their government.
“A similar pattern of declining popular confidence in political elites and institutions has also been evident in Europe… Britain is one of the leading exemplars of this trend.”
(it seems the actual report requires registration)
Now as for the rise of fascism, again, from Wikipedia
Fascism is a form of radical right-wing, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy ...
Don't believe anyone said "America is officially a fascist nation." However, it's hard to deny the continued assent of a minority composed of those from the "radical right-wing" who support a more authoritarian executive who uses dictatorial powers to bypass Congress and the courts. Additionally, nationalism (borders are more important than anything) is certainly on the rise and exactly how does one divide nationalism from ultranationalism?
And while calling opponents names and labeling certain media sources as "failing" and "fake news", clearly there is no forcible suppression (yet) nor is there a sense of "strong regimentation of society and of the economy."
So no, the US is not a fascist state per se, but clearly some view the rise of an executive branch whose employees are no longer subject to something like the Hatch Act is a warning sign that fascism may be on the rise. It seems pretty clear to me that people who support fascism in principle have enjoyed much more notoriety since the current regime took power. So Art's entirely correct in saying "Fascism is on the rise." if he's expressing his view of the situation and he is and he goes on to offer examples.
And lest we forget, some famous fascists came to power via democratic means. So allowing citizens to vote isn't a vaccination against fascism.
And finally, ever hear of 'tyranny of the majority'? So, if 50%+1 votes cast say it's okay to shoot black people on sight, then since a vote was held, it's all good. Nice logic there. So no, hiding behind a flawed voting system doesn't hold much power in my eyes.
PS - Give 'im hell, Art!