Official lists updates

[AdamH]

Bataille now shows up as having 0 favourites despite having 2. Is that a bug or deliberate?

It's a bug, the same bug that makes check counts not match up. The db doesn't count up checks/favs/dislikes, it adds 1 to a counter when checked/fav/disliked and removes 1 from the counter if a check/fav/dislike is removed. This can get buggy for several reasons: If an account is deleted the counter sometimes doesn't update, importing from imdb sometimes messes things up, if the site is having db issues sometimes one part of the check/fav/dislike is processed but not the related counter changes, probably other things I don't know.

Curious about how the snowball short now shows as 0 favourites for me but has two favourites listed. Surely there haven't been accounts deleted to make that happen? Is there a way to reset it? The Eiffel Tower short has the same problem for me now as well.

[PeacefulAnarchy]

Bataille now shows up as having 0 favourites despite having 2. Is that a bug or deliberate?

It's a bug, the same bug that makes check counts not match up. The db doesn't count up checks/favs/dislikes, it adds 1 to a counter when checked/fav/disliked and removes 1 from the counter if a check/fav/dislike is removed. This can get buggy for several reasons: If an account is deleted the counter sometimes doesn't update, importing from imdb sometimes messes things up, if the site is having db issues sometimes one part of the check/fav/dislike is processed but not the related counter changes, probably other things I don't know.

Curious about how the snowball short now shows as 0 favourites for me but has two favourites listed. Surely there haven't been accounts deleted to make that happen? Is there a way to reset it? The Eiffel Tower short has the same problem for me now as well.

Only Marijn can reset it. In this case where the count is low rather than high it's probably not deleted accounts but either the counter not ticking or import issues. Or maybe some other reason I can't think of.

[Onderhond]

I think an awful lot of folks look at the comments for new, short shorts to get a youtube (or other) link to the film as opposed to trying to hunt it down themselves. There are a handful of amazing folks who do a lot of heavy lifting to post all those URLs in the comments, and people DO use them. I know I do. I also try to post links if I watch something off of YT that doesn't already have a link posted.

It's the only reason I ever look at the comment section.

[xianjiro]

I think an awful lot of folks look at the comments for new, short shorts to get a youtube (or other) link to the film as opposed to trying to hunt it down themselves. There are a handful of amazing folks who do a lot of heavy lifting to post all those URLs in the comments, and people DO use them. I know I do. I also try to post links if I watch something off of YT that doesn't already have a link posted.

If this was directed at me, please keep in mind I was pointing out how users could use the site and never go near comments. No where did I say "no one looks at comments" as I don't even begin to believe that. And yes, the "awful lot of folks" who do use the comments probably aren't the same individuals that are checking/favoriting movies we suspect to be lost. I'm sure if we could even contact one of the two who favorited the Guy film, she'd probably have no idea what we were talking about even if she could remember what movies she was favoriting five years ago. Who knows, maybe she favorited it by accident. She hasn't checked the movie as seen (unlike Walter and some other respected users of the site).

[AdamH]

Yes, don't think anyone is disputing that the favourites are mistake and they were done before most of the comments were added. Anyway, the bug means the favorites don't count for much...

[pitchorneirda]

It's not a bug. Last time the exact same thing happened when was Tossing a Nigger in a Blanket entered the list. There were complaints on this thread, just like now, and favourites started to magically disappear, just like now. Can't be a coincidence.

[xianjiro]

I still say the new lists need minimums -- or if they have them, higher minimums. A film with 2 favorites and 67 checks shouldn't make an official list. Did it have more favorites before I looked?

[AdamH]

I don't see any problem with the minimums. The films enter the list and, unless they get new favourites, disappear the next time. This is the only time so far that a film that can't be found has entered the list and it will be gone in the next update. 67 and 2 isn't enough to be in the list.

The number of checks and faves have gone down since I first looked. It was 3 at one point and more checks so I think at least a small number of people have read this thread or the comments.

[AdamH]

Should also add that something like The Disintegrating Convict had <10 checks and 1 favourite when I saw it and favourited it ans it entered the list and now it has established itself near the top. The beauty of this list is users influencing the results and, with the years it is covering, it is important that a film can get in with few checks and faves to begin with and either get more faves and drop straight out or establish itself in the list. With a higher limit, something like the convict short would never have got in in the first place.

[kongs_speech]

It's not a bug. Last time the exact same thing happened when was Tossing a Nigger in a Blanket entered the list. There were complaints on this thread, just like now, and favourites started to magically disappear, just like now. Can't be a coincidence.

Well, I certainly don't think it's a tragedy that we tossed Tossing a Nigger in a Blanket.

[Lakigigar]

It's not a bug. Last time the exact same thing happened when was Tossing a Nigger in a Blanket entered the list. There were complaints on this thread, just like now, and favourites started to magically disappear, just like now. Can't be a coincidence.

I think that has more to do with the content. Some people might have noticed they liked it from the past and (quietly) deleted the favourite, while some might have strategically liked it, and when it disappeared the list deleted their fav.

[pitchorneirda]

It's not a bug. Last time the exact same thing happened when was Tossing a Nigger in a Blanket entered the list. There were complaints on this thread, just like now, and favourites started to magically disappear, just like now. Can't be a coincidence.

I think that has more to do with the content. Some people might have noticed they liked it from the past and (quietly) deleted the favourite, while some might have strategically liked it, and when it disappeared the list deleted their fav.

Most of those who had favorited Tossing a Nigger in a Blanket, as well as those who had favorited Bataille de boules de neige, are people that have been inactive for months, if not years. They can't suddenly remove a check when some minor debate arises in a forum they probably don't even know.

PS: and the fact is that they didn't remove their check/favourite. It's suddenly on those two films only there suddenly is a "bug" that prevents them from being counted. Weird.

[Lakigigar]

It's not a bug. Last time the exact same thing happened when was Tossing a Nigger in a Blanket entered the list. There were complaints on this thread, just like now, and favourites started to magically disappear, just like now. Can't be a coincidence.

I think that has more to do with the content. Some people might have noticed they liked it from the past and (quietly) deleted the favourite, while some might have strategically liked it, and when it disappeared the list deleted their fav.

Most of those who had favorited Tossing a Nigger in a Blanket, as well as those who had favorited Bataille de boules de neige, are people that have been inactive for months, if not years. They can't suddenly remove a check when some minor debate arises in a forum they probably don't even know.

Database issues?

It happens on some older forums too that posts sometimes disappear or that new accounts are not processed anymore?

[PeacefulAnarchy]

PS: and the fact is that they didn't remove their check/favourite. It's suddenly on those two films only there suddenly is a "bug" that prevents them from being counted. Weird.

Did the count actually say 2 before and now says 0? The bug I describe only happens when checking or unchecking (or favourtigin etc), so if fav count actually decreased without a change in the number of favs then that would be something else. I assumed it used to be 4/2 or 5/3 and now went down to 2/0 or something like that. If it went from 2/2 to 2/0 then that is strange.

Or was it always 2/0? Maybe the formula uses the actual fav count and not the displayed count.

In any case, the only person who could change check/fav counts would be Marijin, no one else has access to the db. And I really doubt he's paying attention to this discussion.

[pitchorneirda]

PS: and the fact is that they didn't remove their check/favourite. It's suddenly on those two films only there suddenly is a "bug" that prevents them from being counted. Weird.

Did the count actually say 2 before and now says 0? The bug I describe only happens when checking or unchecking (or favourtigin etc), so if fav count actually decreased without a change in the number of favs then that would be something else. I assumed it used to be 4/2 or 5/3 and now went down to 2/0 or something like that. If it went from 2/2 to 2/0 then that is strange.

Or was it always 2/0? Maybe the formula uses the actual fav count and not the displayed count.

In any case, the only person who could change check/fav counts would be Marijin, no one else has access to the db. And I really doubt he's paying attention to this discussion.

Yesterday it was 2/2, and a couple of hours after the subject was brought about, it went to 2/0

[PeacefulAnarchy]

PS: and the fact is that they didn't remove their check/favourite. It's suddenly on those two films only there suddenly is a "bug" that prevents them from being counted. Weird.

Did the count actually say 2 before and now says 0? The bug I describe only happens when checking or unchecking (or favourtigin etc), so if fav count actually decreased without a change in the number of favs then that would be something else. I assumed it used to be 4/2 or 5/3 and now went down to 2/0 or something like that. If it went from 2/2 to 2/0 then that is strange.

Or was it always 2/0? Maybe the formula uses the actual fav count and not the displayed count.

In any case, the only person who could change check/fav counts would be Marijin, no one else has access to the db. And I really doubt he's paying attention to this discussion.

Yesterday it was 2/2, and a couple of hours after the subject was brought about, it went to 2/0

OK, then yeah that is strange and wouldn't be explained by what I said earlier. Can't think of how that could happen other than private checkers removing their faves.

BTW seems it's down to only one fav as janiemcpants removed their fav and check.

[xianjiro]

And I really doubt he's paying attention to this discussion.

No! Really? Say it ain't so

[AdamH]

Did the count actually say 2 before and now says 0? The bug I describe only happens when checking or unchecking (or favourtigin etc), so if fav count actually decreased without a change in the number of favs then that would be something else. I assumed it used to be 4/2 or 5/3 and now went down to 2/0 or something like that. If it went from 2/2 to 2/0 then that is strange.

Or was it always 2/0? Maybe the formula uses the actual fav count and not the displayed count.

In any case, the only person who could change check/fav counts would be Marijin, no one else has access to the db. And I really doubt he's paying attention to this discussion.

Yesterday it was 2/2, and a couple of hours after the subject was brought about, it went to 2/0

OK, then yeah that is strange and wouldn't be explained by what I said earlier. Can't think of how that could happen other than private checkers removing their faves.

BTW seems it's down to only one fav as janiemcpants removed their fav and check.

Some people are definitely paying attention to the comments if favourites are being removed. Why would a private checker make a difference if there were two public checkers?

[pitn]

Update for Belgian film award - best film: The Magritte for best film has just been won by “Nobody has to know”
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/nobody+has+to+know/

[Fergenaprido]

Update for Belgian film award - best film: The Magritte for best film has just been won by “Nobody has to know”
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/nobody+has+to+know/

List updated, thanks.

If Close had won, it would have grabbed both Belgian awards this year.

[pitn]

Update for Belgian film award - best film: The Magritte for best film has just been won by “Nobody has to know”
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/nobody+has+to+know/

Used to have platinum on this list, now I have 4 unseen. Guess this movie will be back in cinemas in Brussels the coming weeks (like they do with the César winner). And I have the other 3 on physical media. Maybe it’s time to get that platinum back.

[pitn]

Update for Belgian film award - best film: The Magritte for best film has just been won by “Nobody has to know”
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/nobody+has+to+know/

List updated, thanks.

If Close had won, it would have grabbed both Belgian awards this year.

It wasn’t nominated for this award, but the latest Dardenne brothers movie was.

[pitchorneirda]

Magritte is the award for the French-speaking part of the country, so Close couldn't compete for the main award, but it won the best Flemish film award (and had already won the Ensor Award for best film last month)

[Fergenaprido]

Update for Belgian film award - best film: The Magritte for best film has just been won by “Nobody has to know”
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/nobody+has+to+know/

List updated, thanks.

If Close had won, it would have grabbed both Belgian awards this year.

It wasn’t nominated for this award, but the latest Dardenne brothers movie was.

Magritte is the award for the French-speaking part of the country, so Close couldn't compete for the main award, but it won the best Flemish film award (and had already won the Ensor Award for best film last month)

Ah, I just saw that it won 7 Magrittes, but didn't check which awards it was nominated/eligible for. Still, a bit odd to me that a film can be eligible at both ceremonies if they're supposed to be for different industries in the country, but then I guess it's like co-productions between companies.

[Tngy]

Update for Belgian film award - best film: The Magritte for best film has just been won by “Nobody has to know”
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/nobody+has+to+know/

Wow, quite an unexpected new official check for me

[PeacefulAnarchy]

Yesterday it was 2/2, and a couple of hours after the subject was brought about, it went to 2/0

OK, then yeah that is strange and wouldn't be explained by what I said earlier. Can't think of how that could happen other than private checkers removing their faves.

BTW seems it's down to only one fav as janiemcpants removed their fav and check.

Some people are definitely paying attention to the comments if favourites are being removed. Why would a private checker make a difference if there were two public checkers?

If there were two private checkers then it was actually 4 favs showing as 2 and then removing their favs would make it 2 showing as 0.

[Lakigigar]

List updated, thanks.

If Close had won, it would have grabbed both Belgian awards this year.

It wasn’t nominated for this award, but the latest Dardenne brothers movie was.

Magritte is the award for the French-speaking part of the country, so Close couldn't compete for the main award, but it won the best Flemish film award (and had already won the Ensor Award for best film last month)

Ah, I just saw that it won 7 Magrittes, but didn't check which awards it was nominated/eligible for. Still, a bit odd to me that a film can be eligible at both ceremonies if they're supposed to be for different industries in the country, but then I guess it's like co-productions between companies.

I don't think a film can win both IIRC given the awards are there to promote either Flemish or Walloon cinema. It would be kinda controversial if a Walloon one won a Flemish one and vice versa because thats the exact point of the awards being separated.

[magnusbernhardsen]

Aren't the languages quite equally mixed in Close? In any case one of the things I found interesting to watch was the Flemish classes at school.

[pitchorneirda]

https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/ashkal/

New Etalon (d'or) de Yennenga at FESPACO

[joachimt]

Updated. Thanks.

[pitn]

Aren't the languages quite equally mixed in Close? In any case one of the things I found interesting to watch was the Flemish classes at school.

Close is officially a Flemish film and it has a Flemish director, but the movie is 90% in French. The crew was both Flemish and Walloon, so there were a lot of categories where the movie was eligible for a Magritte. It had 10 nominations and won 7 Magrittes. So it won 6 Ensors(Flemish film awards) out of 13 nominations and 7 Magrittes.

[AdamH]

Premier Prix de violoncelle has gone down from 9 to 8 favourites without anyone removing a favourite. I assume this bug is affecting a few of the shorts.

[AdamH]

I think I've discovered what the bug is. I tested things by disliking Premier as I noticed it had a recent new dislike. My dislike pushed it down to 7 favourites (it should be 9). Even when I removed the dislike, it has got stuck on 7 favourites. The dislikes have also mistakenly gone from 1 to 0 with me removing the dislike when though there was already 1 dislike before I did the test.

[pitchorneirda]

I think I've discovered what the bug is. I tested things by disliking Premier as I noticed it had a recent new dislike. My dislike pushed it down to 7 favourites (it should be 9). Even when I removed the dislike, it has got stuck on 7 favourites. The dislikes have also mistakenly gone from 1 to 0 with me removing the dislike when though there was already 1 dislike before I did the test.

Yikes!!

Thanks for finding the issue, anyway.

[Torgo]

wat

[PeacefulAnarchy]

I think I've discovered what the bug is. I tested things by disliking Premier as I noticed it had a recent new dislike. My dislike pushed it down to 7 favourites (it should be 9). Even when I removed the dislike, it has got stuck on 7 favourites. The dislikes have also mistakenly gone from 1 to 0 with me removing the dislike when though there was already 1 dislike before I did the test.

Uhhh, that is a new one I hadn't seen. Thanks, I'll report this.

[AdamH]

I think I've discovered what the bug is. I tested things by disliking Premier as I noticed it had a recent new dislike. My dislike pushed it down to 7 favourites (it should be 9). Even when I removed the dislike, it has got stuck on 7 favourites. The dislikes have also mistakenly gone from 1 to 0 with me removing the dislike when though there was already 1 dislike before I did the test.

Uhhh, that is a new one I hadn't seen. Thanks, I'll report this.

Thanks. Unfortunately, Premier is now on 7 favourites instead of 9 so will plummet down the list so I hope the bug can be fixed as it got a lot of favourites after entering the list (unlike some).

I just tested it with a short that doesn't matter (Tossing a N). It should be on 3 favourites but was only on 2 in the counter. I disliked it and removed the dislike and I've put it down to 1 favourite. I did it again (disliked then removed the dislike) and now it's down to 0. 100% that is what the bug is. It doesn't work in reverse with favouriting and unfavouriting (tried that on Premier Prix).

[AdamH]

Edit: tried one more time with Dingjunshan (1905). Another lost film. I had already disliked it as means of keeping track of which films were impossible to watch. My original dislike didn't remove the 1 favourite from the counter. It's something in either un-disliking it or disliking it a second time that removes a favourite from the count. So, a film having 10 favourites and 10 dislikes would still have 10 favourites in the counter. It is only the act of disliking it again (or possibly removing the original dislike - I don't want to test on any more films unless they are lost) that brings the favourite count down. You can, seemingly, remove all favourites from a film by repeatedly disliking/un-disliking a film. I've seen a few examples already in the pre-1910s shorts where the favourite count is lower than it is supposed to be including the two new entries (Eiffel Tower and Snowball shorts which are now both down to 0...either someone else discovered this bug or it's happened by chance from people disliking/re-disliking them).

Edit: one final try with another lost short (Danse Serpentine 1896). The un-disliking does nothing. It's the second dislike, third dislike, fourth dislike etc. that endlessly remove the favourites. I just put the favourite count down to 0 by disliking it for a 2nd, 3rd and 4th time. I was also wrong above when I thought the dislike count went down. It doesn't, it stays the same. What must have happened with Premier Prix (judging by the activity on it) is Xianjiro (or another user) disliked it and removed their dislike and inadvertently brought the favourite count down by 1 before I accidentally did the same.

[Torgo]

This kiinda could be used to manipulate those lists

[AdamH]

Yes, it certainly could. Pretty important to fix the bug but also to reset the favourite count of the films already affected. I'd imagine there's quite a few. Doesn't make much difference on, say, the 90s list but makes a big difference on the early lists where the shorts have far fewer checks.