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Critics Challenge (December 2014)

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Critics Challenge (December 2014)

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Post by Gershwin » December 1st, 2014, 5:49 pm

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Goal:
Watch films that are on any critics list that is on iCM.


Rules:
- A feature film (anything over 45 minutes) counts as one entry;
- A total of 60 minutes of short films counts as one entry;
- For mini-series with episodes of 45 minute or longer, each episode counts as an entry;
- For mini-series with shorter episodes the 60 minute rule applies;
- Rewatches are allowed.


Lists:
(only general lists made by one critic are listed here, but feel free to watch films from other lists you think belong in here)

Official iCM Critics Lists

Leonard Maltin's 100 Must-See Films Of The 20th Century
Steven Jay Schneider's 1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die
Amos Vogel's Film as a Subversive Art
Leslie Halliwell's Top 1000: The Ultimate Movie Countdown
David Thomson's Have You Seen? A Personal Introduction to 1,000 Films
Jonathan Rosenbaum's Essential Films
Roger Ebert's The Great Movies

Unofficial iCM Critics Lists

Mark Cousins' The Story of Film: An Odyssey
Dennis Grunes' A short chronology of world cinema
Stephen Dwoskin's Film Is ... The International Free Cinema
Jacques Lourcelles' Dictionnaire du cinéma
Fernando Di Giammatteo and Cristina Bragaglia's Dizionario dei capolavori del cinema
Dave Kehr's Annual Top Ten Lists
Roger Ebert's Annual Top Ten Lists
Amy Taubin's Annual Top Ten Lists
Jonathan Rosenbaum's Annual Top Ten Lists
Andrew Sarris' Annual Top Ten Lists
Danny Peary's Guide for the Film Fanatic
J. Hoberman's Annual Top Ten Lists
Ed Gonzalez' Annual Top Ten Lists

Participants:
- Gershwin - 15
- ryebass - 2
- jgwr
- Cippenham - 4
- cinephage - 13
- drbop - 19
- flavo5000 - 45
- 3eyes - 4
- Wise Jake - 37
- Mochard - 10
- Daviddoes - 1
- metaller - 15
- Lonewolf2003 - 27
- klaus78 - 48
- LarsC - 26
- watchayakan - 2
- darkflame - 4
- allisoncm - 11
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Post by Gershwin » December 1st, 2014, 5:50 pm

I didn't include the genre lists that are under the critic's tab, nor annual top tens from well-known critics, but feel free to suggest adding any list. I made this decision quite randomly. :)
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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » December 1st, 2014, 5:51 pm

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Post by ryebass » December 1st, 2014, 5:57 pm

Definitely in.

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Post by jgwr » December 1st, 2014, 6:09 pm

Why not.

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Post by Cippenham » December 1st, 2014, 6:49 pm

Count me in for this one.
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Post by cinephage » December 1st, 2014, 7:02 pm

I will participate...
I was hoping you'd include the A-Z action list (I need to work on this one, and it's a good list for christmas vacation with teenage kids), since it's in the critics folder of ICM.

I would understand if you'd rather not include it, I'm not sure how well-known a critic Marshall Julius really is...

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Post by drbop » December 1st, 2014, 8:06 pm

I'm in. This is my first challenge!

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Post by Gershwin » December 1st, 2014, 8:49 pm

cinephage on Dec 1 2014, 12:02:01 PM wrote:I will participate...
I was hoping you'd include the A-Z action list (I need to work on this one, and it's a good list for christmas vacation with teenage kids), since it's in the critics folder of ICM.

I would understand if you'd rather not include it, I'm not sure how well-known a critic Marshall Julius really is...
That last part is exactly why I didn't include it at first, he even hasn't got a Wikipedia entry. But feel free to work on it, I'll include it in the first post as soon as I'm back at a desktop (now posting from my telephone).

Do you guys think I also should include Sight & Sound, Cahiers du Cinéma, and maybe some annual top tens? And how about a list like the one from the Russian Guild of Film Critics?
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Post by flavo5000 » December 1st, 2014, 9:33 pm

I'll do some on this one. I'd like to at least finish the Leonard Maltin 100. I'm only 5 from finishing it, so I should be able to get it done this month. Availability on a couple of these would be my only obstacle.

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Post by 3eyes » December 1st, 2014, 9:52 pm

I'm slowly working on a couple of these lists, but I aim to focus on the Russian challenge this month, so anything I watch on these will be incidental; but I'll try to report them if I do see any.
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Post by Wise Jake » December 1st, 2014, 10:09 pm

I'm in too!

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Post by Mochard » December 1st, 2014, 11:25 pm

1. 3 Women (1977) - 7/10 On Roger Ebert: the great movies and Have You Seen? A Personal Introduction to 1,000 Films

Interesting film! Not sure what else to say on this one.
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Post by Daviddoes » December 2nd, 2014, 12:15 am

I'm in.

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Post by metaller » December 2nd, 2014, 12:33 am

I'll passively participate. That means I likely won't go out of my way to watch movies that fit this challenge, but I'll likely still watch some films that are eligable and I'll post them here. :)
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

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Post by metaller » December 2nd, 2014, 12:36 am

Also, as it is I just today watched a film that fits in here. :)

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1. Shaft (1971, Gordon Parks) 7.5/10

One part a take on film noir, one part 70s New York grit, one part blaxpoitation, 100 parts just cool. Has one or two pacing issues, and could have a bit more life, but has its theme down and its style up and that's fine with me.
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1. Shaft (1971, Gordon Parks) 7.5/10
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

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Post by Cippenham » December 2nd, 2014, 12:56 am

As I have seen a Action film today, and it is included on the Action list so I am underway

1 Under Siege 1992

Entertaining but improbable Seagal film, perhaps one of his best
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Post by drbop » December 2nd, 2014, 9:09 am

1. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington - 8/10
A little over the top, but still entertaining drama. But then I found out that a guy actually did hold the senate floor for a full 24 hours in real life once, so maybe the concept is not quite as far fetched as it first appeared.
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Post by cinephage » December 2nd, 2014, 10:21 am

01 - Vozvrashchenie, by Andrey Zvyagintsev (2003) 9,5/10

In Dave Kehr's annual top ten list, but I'm surprised it's not in any official critic list.

https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/dave ... sts/timec/
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Post by Lonewolf2003 » December 2nd, 2014, 11:31 am

Gershwin on Dec 1 2014, 01:49:03 PM wrote:
cinephage on Dec 1 2014, 12:02:01 PM wrote:I will participate...
I was hoping you'd include the A-Z action list (I need to work on this one, and it's a good list for christmas vacation with teenage kids), since it's in the critics folder of ICM.

I would understand if you'd rather not include it, I'm not sure how well-known a critic Marshall Julius really is...
That last part is exactly why I didn't include it at first, he even hasn't got a Wikipedia entry. But feel free to work on it, I'll include it in the first post as soon as I'm back at a desktop (now posting from my telephone).

Do you guys think I also should include Sight & Sound, Cahiers du Cinéma, and maybe some annual top tens? And how about a list like the one from the Russian Guild of Film Critics?
I would keep it focused on personal lists from a critic and not incldude whole magazines, guilds or websites. So if you include annual tops, then also only from a critic , like Kehrs, and not from magazines/websites/guilds.

Like metaller I will passively participate.
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Post by Lonewolf2003 » December 2nd, 2014, 4:08 pm

1. Les amants (The Lovers) (1958): 8.8 - Malle is always described as a director who is hard to classify; somebody who's between the romantic classic style and the nouvelle vague. Les amants is a prime example of that. It has some nouvelle vague elements. But also is grounded in the classic tradition, the influence of Madame de... (whose author Louise de Vilmorin also adapted this screenplay) and La regle de jeu (Gaston Modot the gamekeep in that one plays the butler here) most notable.
The story is quiet simple, bored rich housewife elopes with a young lover after one night. But underneath it are some deeper themes about the sexual awakening and self-discovey of a woman (although she seeks it in another man again) and love as a fake remedy for boredom and loneliness. Jeanne nevers seems to be really in love with her lover Raoul, but just to use him as an activity to take the boredom out her live. The ending,
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where the lovers are already doubting if they can sustain the passion of their first night, also makes you wonder if Jeanne not just (unconsciously) using Bernard also as an escape from her boredom. And more in general about the illusion of love on first sight; cause they barely know each other, they seem more in love with the idea they represent then the person.
The movie makes great use of Brahms music.
But above all this is just one gorgeous picture by cinematographer Henri Decaë.

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Post by Gershwin » December 2nd, 2014, 5:34 pm

Lonewolf2003 on Dec 2 2014, 04:31:18 AM wrote:
Gershwin on Dec 1 2014, 01:49:03 PM wrote:
cinephage on Dec 1 2014, 12:02:01 PM wrote:I will participate...
I was hoping you'd include the A-Z action list (I need to work on this one, and it's a good list for christmas vacation with teenage kids), since it's in the critics folder of ICM.

I would understand if you'd rather not include it, I'm not sure how well-known a critic Marshall Julius really is...
That last part is exactly why I didn't include it at first, he even hasn't got a Wikipedia entry. But feel free to work on it, I'll include it in the first post as soon as I'm back at a desktop (now posting from my telephone).

Do you guys think I also should include Sight & Sound, Cahiers du Cinéma, and maybe some annual top tens? And how about a list like the one from the Russian Guild of Film Critics?
I would keep it focused on personal lists from a critic and not incldude whole magazines, guilds or websites. So if you include annual tops, then also only from a critic , like Kehrs, and not from magazines/websites/guilds.
(...)
So you also wouldn't inculde genre lists, like the A-Z Action list? How do others feel about this?
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Post by Lonewolf2003 » December 2nd, 2014, 6:07 pm

Gershwin on Dec 2 2014, 10:34:59 AM wrote:
Lonewolf2003 on Dec 2 2014, 04:31:18 AM wrote:
Gershwin on Dec 1 2014, 01:49:03 PM wrote:That last part is exactly why I didn't include it at first, he even hasn't got a Wikipedia entry. But feel free to work on it, I'll include it in the first post as soon as I'm back at a desktop (now posting from my telephone).

Do you guys think I also should include Sight & Sound, Cahiers du Cinéma, and maybe some annual top tens? And how about a list like the one from the Russian Guild of Film Critics?
I would keep it focused on personal lists from a critic and not incldude whole magazines, guilds or websites. So if you include annual tops, then also only from a critic , like Kehrs, and not from magazines/websites/guilds.
(...)
So you also wouldn't inculde genre lists, like the A-Z Action list? How do others feel about this?
If it is a list made by one critic alone who specializes in that genre (which the A-Z Action list is), I would. If it's a genre list composed out of lists by a bunch of critic I wouldn't.


My point is that if you include things like the Cahiers list, you might as well include every list that is made by a bunch of critics, be it on a website, in a magazine/paper or in a guild. I wouldn't have include the NY Times and Guardian list either. Why not include the Best of Rotten Tomatoes list, the B+ and Up from AV-Club, the Empire Magazine - All 5-Star Rated Films- list and so on also then?
The question is if you want to include a lot of lists, so almost every movie qualifies for this challenge or does it still have to be a bit of a challenge.

Btw, I have my doubts about the Mark Cousin list. That is a list of movies he uses in his documentary-serie and while he might like most of them it isn't a favourite lists.
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Post by Gershwin » December 2nd, 2014, 6:26 pm

Lonewolf2003 on Dec 2 2014, 11:07:03 AM wrote:
Gershwin on Dec 2 2014, 10:34:59 AM wrote:
Lonewolf2003 on Dec 2 2014, 04:31:18 AM wrote:I would keep it focused on personal lists from a critic and not incldude whole magazines, guilds or websites. So if you include annual tops, then also only from a critic , like Kehrs, and not from magazines/websites/guilds.
(...)
So you also wouldn't inculde genre lists, like the A-Z Action list? How do others feel about this?
If it is a list made by one critic alone who specializes in that genre (which the A-Z Action list is), I would. If it's a genre list composed out of lists by a bunch of critic I wouldn't.


My point is that if you include things like the Cahiers list, you might as well include every list that is made by a bunch of critics, be it on a website, in a magazine/paper or in a guild. I wouldn't have include the NY Times and Guardian list either. Why not include the Best of Rotten Tomatoes list, the B+ and Up from AV-Club, the Empire Magazine - All 5-Star Rated Films- list and so on also then?
The question is if you want to include a lot of lists, so almost every movie qualifies for this challenge or does it still have to be a bit of a challenge.

Btw, I have my doubts about the Mark Cousin list. That is a list of movies he uses in his documentary-serie and while he might like most of them it isn't a favourite lists.
I think you're right about the Guardian and NYT lists. I'll remove them.
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Post by Mochard » December 2nd, 2014, 8:33 pm

2. Twelve O'Clock High (1949) - 7/10 On Have You Seen? A Personal Introduction to 1,000 Films

Decent war movie - I enjoyed this one.
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I'm personally just going to include films on lists by one critic, like Roger Ebert, 1001 Movies and Halliwells Have you seen. I don't have a problem with what anyone else includes though.

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Post by Gershwin » December 2nd, 2014, 8:40 pm

Mochard on Dec 2 2014, 01:33:30 PM wrote:(...)

I'm personally just going to include films on lists by one critic, like Roger Ebert, 1001 Movies and Halliwells Have you seen. I don't have a problem with what anyone else includes though.
Yeah, I think that's the way to go. If somebody wants to watch films from a list that is not in the OP, just mention it. They'll count, if the list can somehow be considered a critics list.
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Post by Wise Jake » December 2nd, 2014, 9:40 pm

Gershwin on Dec 1 2014, 10:50:34 AM wrote:I didn't include the genre lists that are under the critic's tab, nor annual top tens from well-known critics, but feel free to suggest adding any list. I made this decision quite randomly. :)
I would suggest adding Danny Peary's Guide for the Film Fanatic, an essential Critic's list that I've felt for a long time should be made official.

Here's the link to that list: http://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/guide ... banjohype/

There's also the addendum from the back of Peary's book (http://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/guide ... um/elmozg/), but that might be too broad.

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Post by Mochard » December 2nd, 2014, 10:05 pm

3. Jane Eyre (1949) - 7/10 On Halliwell's Top 1000: The Ultimate Movie Countdown

Orson Welles put on a great performance as usual.
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Post by flavo5000 » December 2nd, 2014, 10:40 pm

1. Zerkalo (1975) 7.5/10
A.k.a The Mirror. On Schneider's 1001 Movies, I am consistently impressed with Tarkovsky's sense of composition. I saw a review somewhere that said you could take any single frame of this movie and hang it on your wall. I agree. Absolutely beautiful imagery. The story itself feels a little overly esoteric and disjointed for my tastes though.
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Post by Mochard » December 2nd, 2014, 11:06 pm

4. Zelig (1983) - 4/10 On Halliwell's Top 1000: The Ultimate Movie Countdown

I find these types of movies stupid and silly.
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2. Twelve O'Clock High (1949) - 7/10
3. Jane Eyre (1949) - 7/10
4. Zelig (1983) - 4/10
I'm not sure if Spike Lee is classed as a critic but it's on his list as well.
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Post by Jay Mars » December 2nd, 2014, 11:22 pm

Wise Jake on Dec 2 2014, 02:40:59 PM wrote:
Gershwin on Dec 1 2014, 10:50:34 AM wrote:I didn't include the genre lists that are under the critic's tab, nor annual top tens from well-known critics, but feel free to suggest adding any list. I made this decision quite randomly. :)
I would suggest adding Danny Peary's Guide for the Film Fanatic, an essential Critic's list that I've felt for a long time should be made official.

Here's the link to that list: http://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/guide ... banjohype/

There's also the addendum from the back of Peary's book (http://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/guide ... um/elmozg/), but that might be too broad.
I have instant respect for any critic that puts that much porn on his essentials list.

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Post by Gershwin » December 2nd, 2014, 11:45 pm

Wise Jake on Dec 2 2014, 02:40:59 PM wrote:
Gershwin on Dec 1 2014, 10:50:34 AM wrote:I didn't include the genre lists that are under the critic's tab, nor annual top tens from well-known critics, but feel free to suggest adding any list. I made this decision quite randomly. :)
I would suggest adding Danny Peary's Guide for the Film Fanatic, an essential Critic's list that I've felt for a long time should be made official.

Here's the link to that list: http://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/guide ... banjohype/

There's also the addendum from the back of Peary's book (http://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/guide ... um/elmozg/), but that might be too broad.
Thanks, I added the list. The addendum would make it over 4,000 movies, which I feel makes it a bit too much, so I stuck to the plain list.
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Post by Mochard » December 3rd, 2014, 2:19 am

5. The Ice Storm (1997) - 8/10 On 1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die

I really enjoyed this film directed by Ang Lee. Recommended.
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1. 3 Women (1977) - 7/10
2. Twelve O'Clock High (1949) - 7/10
3. Jane Eyre (1949) - 7/10
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Post by funkybusiness » December 3rd, 2014, 3:38 am

Jay Mars on Dec 2 2014, 04:22:12 PM wrote:
Wise Jake on Dec 2 2014, 02:40:59 PM wrote:
Gershwin on Dec 1 2014, 10:50:34 AM wrote:I didn't include the genre lists that are under the critic's tab, nor annual top tens from well-known critics, but feel free to suggest adding any list. I made this decision quite randomly. :)
I would suggest adding Danny Peary's Guide for the Film Fanatic, an essential Critic's list that I've felt for a long time should be made official.

Here's the link to that list: http://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/guide ... banjohype/

There's also the addendum from the back of Peary's book (http://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/guide ... um/elmozg/), but that might be too broad.
I have instant respect for any critic that puts that much porn on his essentials list.
Isn't Gary Graver considered practically an auteur? and Radley Metzger. Maybe even Bob Chinn and Paul Vatelli. and that's just US porn can't imagine the sort of list when you include the Euro stuffs.

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Post by drbop » December 3rd, 2014, 8:48 am

2. Planet of the Apes - 9/10

Definitately better than I remember it being when I last watched it, but that was when I was a young teen and didn't really make opinions on any movies. I liked the cinematography and score and I found the themes of the movie to be pretty engaging.
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1. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington - 8/10
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Post by flavo5000 » December 4th, 2014, 5:00 am

2. Idi i smotri (1985) 8/10
Hm, well. I hadn't actually planned to do the Russian challenge, it just kind of fell into place that I watched two of them at the first of the month... Anyway, damn. This was a bleak-ass movie. Very powerful imagery with very skillful camerawork and sound design. I wouldn't recommend it if you want to feel good about life for a while. Worth watching once for sure though.
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Post by Lonewolf2003 » December 4th, 2014, 11:05 am

2. Kiss Me Deadly (1955): 6.5 - There are some cool shots, moments and characters in it (like the va-va-voom mechanic), but overal was pretty let down by it. Story has an very strange flow, which is why I couldn't get really into it.
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Post by darkflame » December 4th, 2014, 3:18 pm

1)The Abominable Dr. Phibes (1971) - that was interesting and tragic. It`s strange to see a movie, where villain plan worked

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Post by Mochard » December 4th, 2014, 7:59 pm

6. Humoresque (1946) - 5/10 On Have You Seen? A Personal Introduction to 1,000 Films

Too much violin solo's for me to really get into this film. If it was shorter with less musical interludes, then it probably would have got a 6.5 / 7.
Total Watched: 6Show
1. 3 Women (1977) - 7/10
2. Twelve O'Clock High (1949) - 7/10
3. Jane Eyre (1949) - 7/10
4. Zelig (1983) - 4/10
5. The Ice Storm (1997) - 8/10
6. Humoresque (1946) - 5/10

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Post by klaus78 » December 4th, 2014, 9:32 pm

I'm in, too, and will be watching Roger Ebert's Great Movies (82 left, including 14 Keaton shorts).


1. Body Heat (1981) 8/10
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