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Post by allisoncm » January 5th, 2014, 6:10 pm

Deadline: January 31, 2014

Rules:
-Make a public list of your favorite silent films on IMDB (features, shorts, serials, etc.)
-There is no minimum or maximum number of films, but each film on your list must only be listed once.

Additional Information:
-Films should be from the silent period. The "silent" Brakhage films usually have no sound and The Artist has some dialogue at the end, so these films are disqualified. If there's any question, feel free to discuss it here.
-Feel free to edit your list until the deadline.
-All films will be counted as ranked unless specified as unranked (when you post here and when you make your list at IMDB to avoid confusion).

The point system can be as follows:
"250 points for #1, 249 for #2, in descending order. Any additional films (over 250) will receive 0.5 points. Unranked lists will receive the average of the total number of points." An exponential decay will be used.

I might need help with the following:
-Pictures for the results
-Should we do a top 100 or top 250 (dpending on # of lists, etc.)

Feel free to post your lists and to volunteer if necessary. Post any questions here.

Participants (53):
3eyes http://www.imdb.com/list/1KfcZY_OQT0/
aaaaaces http://www.imdb.com/list/K6uiytVongY/
affirm http://www.imdb.com/list/hO9jPEsgtEQ
allisoncm http://www.imdb.com/list/cKcdQGz88vM/
andreischz http://www.imdb.com/list/bwURg994f6o/
Angel Glez http://www.imdb.com/list/dfKg53g3IhA/
argiris-cinefil http://www.imdb.com/list/q3Lh0KslO3c/
ArthurYanthar http://www.imdb.com/list/8Em7dCxFbEQ/
brokenface http://www.imdb.com/list/mx3N0imXot8
burneyfan http://www.imdb.com/list/UrfwP1TzQp4/
ceyyhun http://www.imdb.com/list/JhJOhbVveIA/
Cinephage http://www.imdb.com/list/LsXHqhP1bwQ/
Cippenham http://www.imdb.com/list/1878UFDZPlM/
clemmetarey http://www.imdb.com/list/HFglTKpgaoU/
CMT http://www.imdb.com/list/ZfnMw0YtqAE/
Cocoa http://www.imdb.com/list/gJZKt8LdKWI/
Dude Lanez http://www.imdb.com/list/nu0u8qnLdZc/
Dolwphin http://www.imdb.com/list/FsmoTtaa2NA/
Fitz of Fury http://www.imdb.com/list/2YO6O6gaOWc/ (UNRANKED for now, by year)
HVM http://www.imdb.com/list/fHda9AAdjhA/
jeff_v http://www.imdb.com/list/gLVgqUFLGow/
jvv http://www.imdb.com/list/HiSwhd42dNo
joachimt http://www.imdb.com/list/zw0G9eLaQd4/
Kasparius http://www.imdb.com/list/NuJBgm-SF2w/
kierkegaardian http://www.imdb.com/list/_VtBADN_07w/
kingink http://www.imdb.com/list/AyEuvHpxHYo/
lilarcor http://www.imdb.com/list/SxcThJXmVNg/
limedebois http://www.imdb.com/list/TYvhH8qlE-c/
lisagirl http://www.imdb.com/list/F60xjkvcXsM/
Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi http://www.imdb.com/list/KaZJytNuKUk/
Lonewolf2003 http://www.imdb.com/list/t6Xyk6DA_mY
Marazmatique http://www.imdb.com/list/n6rnaXE9dPY/
mathiasa http://www.imdb.com/list/88byw_mtUGk/
Melvelet http://www.imdb.com/list/jeNNPBePOpg/
mightysparks http://www.imdb.com/list/heGZNnm1JKw/
Mironu http://www.imdb.com/list/NZQoRjH-9ec/
mjf314 http://www.imdb.com/list/U_nHkphweBw/
nymets138 http://www.imdb.com/list/N-KZ2nR9Oa4/
Odradek http://www.imdb.com/list/OdudrZPisxQ/
PeacefulAnarchy http://www.imdb.com/list/GSAxgZpSrK4/
plasma_birds http://www.imdb.com/list/MyQ3IPjQ7rE/
Rich http://www.imdb.com/list/Rsm4IjXJLsM/
Rick220 http://www.imdb.com/rg/s/1/list/rHZ2HMwL8os/
sebby http://www.imdb.com/list/HDKEs9UrBf0/
Serriform http://www.imdb.com/list/KB-jwJkTHJg/
St. Gloede http://www.imdb.com/list/pXVS-meBjTo/
sushantv10 http://www.imdb.com/list/u-Ai9mM61zE/
TheMajor http://www.imdb.com/list/xzHJPbc8HkU/?s ... 6522395015
timmy_501 http://www.imdb.com/list/aszQNb0B1G4/
tommy_leazaq http://www.imdb.com/list/m5KLX5kjb40/
Torgo http://www.imdb.com/list/f5EYe8M5UZQ
toro913 http://www.imdb.com/list/erJc_yGtFUE/
Wonderful Rainbow http://www.imdb.com/list/p3tBxz9f1bk/
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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » January 5th, 2014, 6:22 pm

I just realized that Lonesome has a few scenes of dialogue. Would that film still count?
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Post by frbrown » January 5th, 2014, 6:25 pm

ArthurYanthar on Jan 5 2014, 11:22:21 AM wrote:I just realized that Lonesome has a few scenes of dialogue.
It does? :huh:
Perhaps there's more than one version...
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Post by Cippenham » January 5th, 2014, 6:29 pm

http://www.imdb.com/list/1878UFDZPlM/

A short list, may be added to or amended later.
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Post by Kasparius » January 5th, 2014, 6:29 pm

The version I saw a long time ago did not.

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Post by joachimt » January 5th, 2014, 6:29 pm

1000, 999, 998, 997, ... ? :satstunned:

I don't think I can make such a long list, so the difference between the top and the lowest position on my list is not so big. What was the average list length last year?
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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » January 5th, 2014, 6:29 pm

frbrown on Jan 5 2014, 11:25:38 AM wrote:
ArthurYanthar on Jan 5 2014, 11:22:21 AM wrote:I just realized that Lonesome has a few scenes of dialogue.
It does? :huh:
Perhaps there's more than one version...
I saw the Criterion bluray one and there was 3 scenes with sound. There was also some colour.
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Post by allisoncm » January 5th, 2014, 6:32 pm

joachimt on Jan 5 2014, 11:29:28 AM wrote:1000, 999, 998, 997, ... ? :satstunned:

I don't think I can make such a long list, so the difference between the top and the lowest position on my list is not so big. What was the average list length last year?
I know. I was trying to figure out what the longest list could possibly be. How about I start from the highest number of films submitted and work my way down. For example: if someone submits a list of 333 films, start from 333, 332, 331...? Or should we just do 250, 249, 248 and everything after 250 should be .5 points? Or 100? Should we vote on this?

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Post by allisoncm » January 5th, 2014, 6:34 pm

ArthurYanthar on Jan 5 2014, 11:22:21 AM wrote:I just realized that Lonesome has a few scenes of dialogue. Would that film still count?
Feel free to include Lonesome.

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » January 5th, 2014, 6:35 pm

Use exponential decay. Unless you expect submissions to be under 100-150 films per list, in which case a tiered point system is best.

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Post by frbrown » January 5th, 2014, 6:38 pm

ArthurYanthar on Jan 5 2014, 11:29:50 AM wrote:There was also some colour.
That was definitely a different version than the one I saw.
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Post by allisoncm » January 5th, 2014, 6:42 pm

PeacefulAnarchy on Jan 5 2014, 11:35:46 AM wrote:Use exponential decay. Unless you expect submissions to be under 100-150 films per list, in which case a tiered point system is best.
That sounds good, I just have a question:

Is "R" in the following formula:
100*(0.5)^((R-1)/175)

the ranking of the film?

And is 100 the ranking too or does that # always stay the same? And is there an easy formula to insert into Excel? I'm sure I'll have more questions like this.

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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » January 5th, 2014, 6:43 pm

PeacefulAnarchy on Jan 5 2014, 11:35:46 AM wrote:Use exponential decay. Unless you expect submissions to be under 100-150 films per list, in which case a tiered point system is best.
Honestly I think this might be the case. I'll be surprised to see a list with more than 100.
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Post by mightysparks » January 5th, 2014, 6:45 pm

http://www.imdb.com/list/heGZNnm1JKw/ Hasn't changed since I first made the list :lol:
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Post by allisoncm » January 5th, 2014, 6:45 pm

Also, I don't think I'll be able to post those beautiful charts like in the directors poll. But those were really cool!

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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » January 5th, 2014, 6:48 pm

mightysparks on Jan 5 2014, 11:45:28 AM wrote:http://www.imdb.com/list/heGZNnm1JKw/ Hasn't changed since I first made the list :lol:
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Maybe after I submit my list I'll put in my spoilers silent films that I think need more attention with some screenshots.
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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » January 5th, 2014, 6:52 pm

allisoncm on Jan 5 2014, 11:42:48 AM wrote:
PeacefulAnarchy on Jan 5 2014, 11:35:46 AM wrote:Use exponential decay. Unless you expect submissions to be under 100-150 films per list, in which case a tiered point system is best.
That sounds good, I just have a question:

Is "R" in the following formula:
100*(0.5)^((R-1)/175)

the ranking of the film?

And is 100 the ranking too or does that # always stay the same? And is there an easy formula to insert into Excel? I'm sure I'll have more questions like this.
R is the ranking. The only thing you want to change is the 175 which is what rank gets half the points of the first.

I assume we'll get a top 250 out of this? If so the 175 should be changed to 50 or 40.
That formula as written should work in excel, just replace R with the ranking field. So
=100*(0.5)^((R-1)/40)
Where R is replaced by whatever cell the rank is in, then fill down.

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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » January 5th, 2014, 6:53 pm

This means no film ist 7-12 or Diva Dolorosa :(

No pornography/softcore either, but that's probably a good thing.
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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » January 5th, 2014, 6:54 pm

ArthurYanthar on Jan 5 2014, 11:43:23 AM wrote:
PeacefulAnarchy on Jan 5 2014, 11:35:46 AM wrote:Use exponential decay. Unless you expect submissions to be under 100-150 films per list, in which case a tiered point system is best.
Honestly I think this might be the case. I'll be surprised to see a list with more than 100.
My list will have more than 100 ( like 110 or so).

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Post by mightysparks » January 5th, 2014, 6:56 pm

Geez, I've seen around 150 silents and my list is pushing it with 14 (literally all the ones I rated 7+).
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Post by Kasparius » January 5th, 2014, 6:58 pm

ArthurYanthar on Jan 5 2014, 11:48:36 AM wrote:
mightysparks on Jan 5 2014, 11:45:28 AM wrote:http://www.imdb.com/list/heGZNnm1JKw/ Hasn't changed since I first made the list :lol:
:verymad:

Maybe after I submit my list I'll put in my spoilers silent films that I think need more attention with some screenshots.
If you do that for J'accuse, your list will automatically have no street cred.

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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » January 5th, 2014, 7:00 pm

Kasparius on Jan 5 2014, 11:58:49 AM wrote:
ArthurYanthar on Jan 5 2014, 11:48:36 AM wrote:
mightysparks on Jan 5 2014, 11:45:28 AM wrote:http://www.imdb.com/list/heGZNnm1JKw/ Hasn't changed since I first made the list :lol:
:verymad:

Maybe after I submit my list I'll put in my spoilers silent films that I think need more attention with some screenshots.
If you do that for J'accuse, your list will automatically have no street cred.
:lol: it will make my list, but I won't promote it. La roue is better anyways.
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Post by allisoncm » January 5th, 2014, 7:01 pm

mightysparks on Jan 5 2014, 11:56:33 AM wrote:Geez, I've seen around 150 silents and my list is pushing it with 14 (literally all the ones I rated 7+).
That's okay. A lot of these are short and there will be time to watch a few more and to look at others' lists to see if you want to add those titles as well.

Can't wait to make my list as well.

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Post by Kowry » January 5th, 2014, 7:01 pm

mightysparks on Jan 5 2014, 11:56:33 AM wrote:Geez, I've seen around 150 silents and my list is pushing it with 14 (literally all the ones I rated 7+).
City Girl?

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Post by mjf314 » January 5th, 2014, 7:02 pm

allisoncm on Jan 5 2014, 11:10:38 AM wrote:-Films should be from the silent period. The "silent" Brakhage films usually have no sound and The Artist has some dialogue at the end, so these films are disqualified. If there's any question, feel free to discuss it here.
What about real silent films from after the silent period, such as The Heart of the World (2000)?

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Post by mightysparks » January 5th, 2014, 7:02 pm

Kowry on Jan 5 2014, 12:01:42 PM wrote:
mightysparks on Jan 5 2014, 11:56:33 AM wrote:Geez, I've seen around 150 silents and my list is pushing it with 14 (literally all the ones I rated 7+).
City Girl?
Oh, why isn't that in there :/

Also are we allowed to include short films? I could bump it up a bit that way.
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Post by Rich » January 5th, 2014, 7:05 pm

I'll send in a list. I need to revise my old one.

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » January 5th, 2014, 7:07 pm

mightysparks on Jan 5 2014, 12:02:42 PM wrote:Also are we allowed to include short films? I could bump it up a bit that way.
Yeah, it says so in the first post.

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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » January 5th, 2014, 7:08 pm

I just hope that the list will be more than Chaplin shorts then.

I just completed mine: http://www.imdb.com/list/8Em7dCxFbEQ/

Time to do that more attention thingy.
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Post by brokenface » January 5th, 2014, 7:14 pm

ArthurYanthar on Jan 5 2014, 12:08:34 PM wrote:I just hope that the list will be more than Chaplin shorts then.
of course. It'll clearly be all Keaton shorts :D

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Post by allisoncm » January 5th, 2014, 7:16 pm

mjf314 on Jan 5 2014, 12:02:28 PM wrote:
allisoncm on Jan 5 2014, 11:10:38 AM wrote:-Films should be from the silent period. The "silent" Brakhage films usually have no sound and The Artist has some dialogue at the end, so these films are disqualified. If there's any question, feel free to discuss it here.
What about real silent films from after the silent period, such as The Heart of the World (2000)?
I suppose that would be okay, unless anyone has any strong objections. Guy Maddin definitely has a distinctive style that's different if people are using this poll/list for silent recommendations. That is the only thing that I can think of why it shouldn't be included. As long as there's no dialogue or crazy music, I don't see why it shouldn't be included, though.

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Post by mightysparks » January 5th, 2014, 7:19 pm

PeacefulAnarchy on Jan 5 2014, 12:07:02 PM wrote:
mightysparks on Jan 5 2014, 12:02:42 PM wrote:Also are we allowed to include short films? I could bump it up a bit that way.
Yeah, it says so in the first post.
Yeah, that's what I get for skimming :(
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Post by allisoncm » January 5th, 2014, 7:19 pm

That's ok. :)

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Post by Torgo » January 5th, 2014, 7:22 pm

mjf314 on Jan 5 2014, 12:02:28 PM wrote:
allisoncm on Jan 5 2014, 11:10:38 AM wrote:-Films should be from the silent period. The "silent" Brakhage films usually have no sound and The Artist has some dialogue at the end, so these films are disqualified. If there's any question, feel free to discuss it here.
What about real silent films from after the silent period, such as The Heart of the World (2000)?
I'd vote against it. Keeping it to the silent period makes more sense to me. You enter a totally different type of film with releases from 2000 and such.
[edit]I'm really fond of Guy Maddin, by the way, but still feel his work to be too much off the silent-era-course. ;)


IMDb counts 74 titles for me. Practically all of these are classics, so I should be able to come up with a solid Top 30. If another heavily canonic newbie list is of any use for the poll.
Keaton and Chaplin shorts will be excluded as with me.
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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » January 5th, 2014, 7:25 pm

Torgo on Jan 5 2014, 12:22:19 PM wrote:
mjf314 on Jan 5 2014, 12:02:28 PM wrote:
allisoncm on Jan 5 2014, 11:10:38 AM wrote:-Films should be from the silent period. The "silent" Brakhage films usually have no sound and The Artist has some dialogue at the end, so these films are disqualified. If there's any question, feel free to discuss it here.
What about real silent films from after the silent period, such as The Heart of the World (2000)?
I'd vote against it. Keeping it to the silent period makes more sense to me. You enter a totally different type of film with releases from 2000 and such.
[edit]I'm really fond of Guy Maddin, by the way, but still feel his work to be too much off the silent-era-course. ;)
I agree.

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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » January 5th, 2014, 7:26 pm

Torgo on Jan 5 2014, 12:22:19 PM wrote:
mjf314 on Jan 5 2014, 12:02:28 PM wrote:
allisoncm on Jan 5 2014, 11:10:38 AM wrote:-Films should be from the silent period. The "silent" Brakhage films usually have no sound and The Artist has some dialogue at the end, so these films are disqualified. If there's any question, feel free to discuss it here.
What about real silent films from after the silent period, such as The Heart of the World (2000)?
I'd vote against it. Keeping it to the silent period makes more sense to me. You enter a totally different type of film with releases from 2000 and such.
[edit]I'm really fond of Guy Maddin, by the way, but still feel his work to be too much off the silent-era-course. ;)
I fully agree with this except for Guy Maddin being good :P

If compilations of silent films aren't allowed, then neo-silents aren't allowed either.
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Post by Kasparius » January 5th, 2014, 7:27 pm

Of course Japanese silents need to be accepted until the mid 30's, if not this list is a sham.

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Post by Rich » January 5th, 2014, 7:27 pm

As much as I want to vote for the Genet short...I agree with Torgo.

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Post by allisoncm » January 5th, 2014, 7:27 pm

Shorts are definitely fine as there were so many during the silent period and to exclude them would be to exclude a significant portion.

If anyone needs recommendations, I have my Favorite films by year list which starts at 1888 and goes past the silent era: http://mubi.com/lists/favorite-films-by-year

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