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Russian and (former) Soviet Challenge

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Post by Gershwin » November 30th, 2013, 11:20 pm

Russian and (former) USSR Challenge (Official)
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Countries:Show
  • Armenia
  • Azerbaijan
  • Belarus
  • Estonia
  • Georgia
  • Kazakhstan
  • Kyrgyzstan
  • Latvia
  • Lithuania
  • Moldova
  • Russia
  • Tajikistan
  • Turkmenistan
  • Ukraine
  • Uzbekistan
Challenge runs from December 1st, 2013 to December 31st, 2013

Goal
Watch as many Russian films as you can.

Rules
- No rewatches
- A feature film (40 minutes or longer) counts as one entry
- A total of 60 minutes of short films count as one entry
- For mini-series (40 minute episodes or longer) each episode counts as one entry
- For mini-series with shorter episodes, the 60 minute rule applies
- Film must be from a former USSR country

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- Russian Guild Of Film Critics - Best Russian Films (official)
- Livejournal Russian top 100 (official)
- UNESCO's Memory of the World: National Cinematic Heritage (official) (Contains films from Kazakhstan (405-435) and Ukraine (748-762))
- Seance's Best Russian Films
- Nedelia's Best Russian Films
- Best Russian movies by A Band Apart
- 100 Classics of Russian and Eastern European Cinema (not all of these films are eligible)
- Golden 100 of Russian Animation
- Estonian Association of Film Journalists' Top 10 - 2002 / 2011
- Latvian Cultural Canon
- Tbilisi Intermedia's 12 Best Georgian Movies of All Time
- Top 15 Ukrainian Films
- Soviet and Russian submissions for the Academy Award for Best Foreign Language Film
- Local Hero's quintessential Russian movies

Participants
- Gershwin | 5
- HVM | 15
- 3eyes | 6
- Armoreska | 65 - winner!
- funkybusiness
- Local Hero | 8
- mjf314 | 15
- allisoncm | 3
- Daviddoes | 9
- esiersdale | 2
- burneyfan | 41
- cinephage | 2
- ArthurYanthar | 10
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Post by HVM » November 30th, 2013, 11:21 pm

In!
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Post by Gershwin » November 30th, 2013, 11:22 pm

I made this just to be sure there will be a Russian challenge this year. Feel free to comment on the proposed rules.

And Nopros, if you suddenly turn up, I'll happily hand it to you if you want it, of course. :)
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Post by monty » November 30th, 2013, 11:24 pm

If you'd make a rule about only Russian comedies being counted in this challenge, I'd be game...
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Post by 3eyes » November 30th, 2013, 11:28 pm

I'm in, but will watch mostly silents.

Question: When it comes to post-Soviet films from the Asian parts of the former USSR, would these count in the oddball Asian challenge in February? It says Russia is excluded. I have one from Tajikistan (1998) I want to watch at some point.
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Post by Gershwin » November 30th, 2013, 11:44 pm

3eyes on Nov 30 2013, 04:28:36 PM wrote:I'm in, but will watch mostly silents.

Question: When it comes to post-Soviet films from the Asian parts of the former USSR, would these count in the oddball Asian challenge in February? It says Russia is excluded. I have one from Tajikistan (1998) I want to watch at some point.
I would think this is a more appropriate challenge for these countries, but I'm not in the position to decide if they can be watched in the Asian Challenge. Anyhow, you can watch films from any of the 15 former Soviet countries, also from the post-Soviet era.
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Post by Armoreska » November 30th, 2013, 11:45 pm

1. Smekh i gore u Bela morya (1987) 6/10
sort of an anthology built around a previously-released animated short (7/10)
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Post by funkybusiness » November 30th, 2013, 11:50 pm

Count me in. Will try and watch some German and Sokurov films.

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Post by Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi » November 30th, 2013, 11:56 pm

Thanks, Gert, for making sure this happens. My two favorite challenges in the same month is cruel, but as I'm always watching silents and Russian films anyway, I'll do both!

Rvanulis'!!!!

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Post by mjf314 » December 1st, 2013, 12:55 am

I'm in. I also added some more lists to the first post.

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Post by Cippenham » December 1st, 2013, 12:56 am

Gershwin on Nov 30 2013, 04:44:59 PM wrote:
3eyes on Nov 30 2013, 04:28:36 PM wrote:I'm in, but will watch mostly silents.

Question: When it comes to post-Soviet films from the Asian parts of the former USSR, would these count in the oddball Asian challenge in February? It says Russia is excluded. I have one from Tajikistan (1998) I want to watch at some point.
I would think this is a more appropriate challenge for these countries, but I'm not in the position to decide if they can be watched in the Asian Challenge. Anyhow, you can watch films from any of the 15 former Soviet countries, also from the post-Soviet era.
If oddball Asian means Asian other than certain countries those former Soviet countries east of the Urals are in Asia so presumably would count as they are in Asia and not those certain countries.
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Post by mjf314 » December 1st, 2013, 1:02 am

3eyes on Nov 30 2013, 04:28:36 PM wrote:I'm in, but will watch mostly silents.

Question: When it comes to post-Soviet films from the Asian parts of the former USSR, would these count in the oddball Asian challenge in February? It says Russia is excluded. I have one from Tajikistan (1998) I want to watch at some point.
The purpose of the Asian challenge is to focus on countries that don't normally get enough attention, and I think Tajikistan fits that description, so it'll probably be allowed, but the challenge rules haven't been written yet.

Edit: Although films that were made during the Soviet era will probably be excluded.
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Post by 3eyes » December 1st, 2013, 1:05 am

Thanks for all your responses. I suppose language might count too (this one is in Tajik, a Persianate language).
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Post by Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi » December 1st, 2013, 1:12 am

3eyes on Nov 30 2013, 06:05:30 PM wrote:Thanks for all your responses. I suppose language might count too (this one is in Tajik, a Persianate language).
Yeah, seems clear to me that it could go in either challenge (though I haven't seen the proposed exact rules for the Asian challenge): Tajikistan is a former Soviet republic (this challenge), and it's in Central Asia (the other challenge).

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Post by allisoncm » December 1st, 2013, 1:24 am

I'm in! I'm also going to concentrate on Russian silents.

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Post by monty » December 1st, 2013, 1:26 am

allisoncm on Nov 30 2013, 06:24:21 PM wrote:I'm in! I'm also going to concentrate on Russian silents.
So you won't be doing comedies from the good old 70s then?

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Post by Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi » December 1st, 2013, 1:33 am

monty on Nov 30 2013, 06:26:46 PM wrote:
allisoncm on Nov 30 2013, 06:24:21 PM wrote:I'm in! I'm also going to concentrate on Russian silents.
So you won't be doing comedies from the good old 70s then?
You can try to sell them all you want, Monty, but I tried to tell you that seeding nothing but Russian comedies was not going to be a good KG ratio boost.

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Post by Daviddoes » December 1st, 2013, 1:34 am

I will join in.

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Post by monty » December 1st, 2013, 1:36 am

Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on Nov 30 2013, 06:33:20 PM wrote:
monty on Nov 30 2013, 06:26:46 PM wrote:
allisoncm on Nov 30 2013, 06:24:21 PM wrote:I'm in! I'm also going to concentrate on Russian silents.
So you won't be doing comedies from the good old 70s then?
You can try to sell them all you want, Monty, but I tried to tell you that seeding nothing but Russian comedies was not going to be a good KG ratio boost.
It would be if this challenge gave an extra point for each Soviet comedy you watched - who could resist such an easy way of jumping ahead in the challenge rankings?

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Post by allisoncm » December 1st, 2013, 5:47 am

monty on Nov 30 2013, 06:26:46 PM wrote:
allisoncm on Nov 30 2013, 06:24:21 PM wrote:I'm in! I'm also going to concentrate on Russian silents.
So you won't be doing comedies from the good old 70s then?
I didn't imagine I'd be watching one the other day. So you never know. Maybe that will be my Christmas present to you.

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Post by Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi » December 1st, 2013, 8:37 am

1. Five Evenings (Pyat vecherov)(Mikhalkov, 1979) -- First, it's an odd coincidence that there are many prominent Soviet films with "X # of Days (or Evenings)" in their titles, and there are several that divide up the story's chapters with "Day One," etc.

There's usually at least a slight whiff of unpleasantness in Mikhalkov's films, but this one focuses on a small, intimate story. It does have nice moments here and there, but much of the film reminds me of the two earlier, bolder, and far more interesting films by Kira Muratova, Brief Encounters (Korotkie vstrechi) and Long Goodbyes (Dolgie provody).

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Post by Gershwin » December 1st, 2013, 10:28 am

mjf314 on Nov 30 2013, 05:55:36 PM wrote:I'm in. I also added some more lists to the first post.
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Post by Armoreska » December 1st, 2013, 1:42 pm

(I've been watching all of Maximov's but the majority of them's not on IMDb)
2. Uplotneniye (1918) 2/10 dull and in a sorry state, historically the 1st Sovietkino spawn
3. Klyuch (1961) 4/10 kommunisten propagandistic animatsyya viz robots&trud vs magick&procrastination
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1. Smekh i gore u Bela morya (1987) 6/10
sort of an anthology built around a previously-released animated short (7/10)
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Post by HVM » December 1st, 2013, 8:38 pm

1. Devushka s korobkoy aka When Moscow Laughs (1927) 7/10
2. Dom na Trubnoy aka Parasha (1928) 7/10
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Post by mjf314 » December 2nd, 2013, 5:44 am

1. Chapaev (1934)

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Post by Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi » December 2nd, 2013, 7:30 am

Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on Dec 1 2013, 01:37:32 AM wrote:
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1. Five Evenings (Pyat vecherov)(Mikhalkov, 1979)
2. Byelorussia Station (Belorusskiy vokzal)(Smirnov, 1971)
2. Byelorussia Station (Belorusskiy vokzal)(Smirnov, 1971) -- There are quite a few Russian films dealing with the long-term effects of WWII, but this one is unpredictable and it's writ small -- so small at first that that itself is an unpredictable element -- but then it becomes a slow burn, quietly, patiently working its intentions. It's a moving film in the end, but there are so many elements that might not appeal to contemporary viewers that I won't recommend it. At least not unless what I've written about it intrigues you.

This gives me a silver on the Russian Guild of Film Critics list -- which, by the way, is the far more serious list as an attempt of the greatest artistic achievements in Russian cinema. This list is missing great films, and the other Livejournal list has some great ones the Critics list doesn't, but if you have no idea about either one and want to know which one is the better one, it's the Critics list.

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1. Chapaev (1934)
2. Autumn Marathon (1979)

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Post by 3eyes » December 2nd, 2013, 7:01 pm

Here are the Russian silents on the SILENT BUT NOT FORGOTTEN list:

Aelita / Aelita, Queen of Mars (1924)
Arsenal (1929)
Baby ryazanskie / Women of Ryazan (1928)
Bronenosets Potyomkin / Battleship Potemkin (1925)
Chelovek s kino-apparatom / Man with a movie camera (1929)
Devushka s korobkoy / When Moscow laughs (1927)
Dom na Trubnoy / The house on Trubnaia St (1928)
Kinoglaz / Kino-Eye - Life Caught Unawares (1924)
Konets Sankt-Peterburga / The end of St. Petersburg (1927)
Mat /Mother (1926)
Mekhanika golovnogo mozga /Mechanics of the brain (1926)
Mest kinematograficheskogo operatora / Revenge of a cinematographer (1912)
Miss Mend (1926) - serial, 250m
Neobychainye priklyucheniya mistera Vesta v... / The extraordinary adventures of Mr. West in the
land of the Bolsheviks, (1924)
Novyy Vavilon / The new Babylon (1929)
Oblomok imperii /Fragment of an empire (1929)
Odinnadtsatyy/The eleventh year (1928)
Oktyabr (1928)
Otets Sergiy / Father Sergius (1919)
Pikovaya dama / The queen of spades (1916)
Po zakonu /By the law (1927)
Posle smerti / After death (1915)
Potomok Chingis-Khana /Storm over Asia (1928)
Privideniye, kotoroye ne vozvrashchayetsya /The ghost that never returns (1929)
Schastye / Happiness (1935)
Shakhmatnaya goryachka / Chess fever (1925)
Shinel / The overcoat (1926)
Stachka / Strike (1925)
Staroye i novoye / Old and new (1929)
S.V.D. - Soyuz velikogo dela (1927)
Tretya meshchanskaya /Bed and sofa (1927)
Turksib (1929)
Umirayushchii lebed / The dying swan (1917)
Zemlya (1930)
Zvenigora (1928)
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Post by Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi » December 2nd, 2013, 7:29 pm

Here's a big list I made a while back. It needs revising and updating, but it includes a whole mess of films:

http://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/mestn ... es/nopros/

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Post by funkybusiness » December 2nd, 2013, 9:01 pm

Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on Dec 2 2013, 12:29:11 PM wrote:Here's a big list I made a while back. It needs revising and updating, but it includes a whole mess of films:

http://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/mestn ... es/nopros/
Quintessential? So these are like the fifth tier down of essentialisms?

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Post by Armoreska » December 2nd, 2013, 9:46 pm

Armoreska on Dec 1 2013, 06:42:16 AM wrote:
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1. Smekh i gore u Bela morya (1987) 6/10
2. Uplotneniye (1918) 2/10
3. Klyuch (1961) 4/10
4. >1.5 hrs of Kino-Nedelya shorts (#3,4,5,21-25,31-35)
5. Uvlecheniya (1994) 5.5/10 one of stranger Kira Muratova films. horse races, monologues, dialogues, Renata Litvinova, no plot
6a Proekt inzhenera Prayta (1918) 3/10
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Post by Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi » December 2nd, 2013, 10:18 pm

funkybusiness on Dec 2 2013, 02:01:33 PM wrote:
Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on Dec 2 2013, 12:29:11 PM wrote:Here's a big list I made a while back. It needs revising and updating, but it includes a whole mess of films:

http://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/mestn ... es/nopros/
Quintessential? So these are like the fifth tier down of essentialisms?
Yes, fifth tier -- actually, 5.342, to be exact.

No, "quintessential" is a big word to use for such a large list (if that's what you're implying), but the idea is simply that these are the selections that could be said to collectively make up the body of films that represents Russian cinema. It's meant as a clear distinction from the "best" Russian films, which is not what the list is attempting.
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Post by HVM » December 2nd, 2013, 11:55 pm

3. U samogo sinego morya (1936) 6,5/10
4. Mat i syn aka Mother and Son (1997) 6/10
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1. Devushka s korobkoy aka When Moscow Laughs (1927) 7/10
2. Dom na Trubnoy aka Parasha (1928) 7/10
3. U samogo sinego morya (1936) 6,5/10
4. Mat i syn aka Mother and Son (1997) 6/10
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Post by Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi » December 3rd, 2013, 5:32 am

HVM on Dec 2 2013, 04:55:23 PM wrote:3. U samogo sinego morya (1936) 6,5/10
4. Mat i syn aka Mother and Son (1997) 6/10
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1. Devushka s korobkoy aka When Moscow Laughs (1927) 7/10
2. Dom na Trubnoy aka Parasha (1928) 7/10
3. U samogo sinego morya (1936) 6,5/10
4. Mat i syn aka Mother and Son (1997) 6/10
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Post by Knaldskalle » December 3rd, 2013, 6:17 am

Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on Dec 2 2013, 03:18:58 PM wrote:
funkybusiness on Dec 2 2013, 02:01:33 PM wrote:
Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on Dec 2 2013, 12:29:11 PM wrote:Here's a big list I made a while back. It needs revising and updating, but it includes a whole mess of films:

http://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/mestn ... es/nopros/
Quintessential? So these are like the fifth tier down of essentialisms?
Yes, fifth tier -- actually, 5.342, to be exact.
Currently at 5.432 it should be added, since the value of quintessence is variable. As we all know.
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Post by funkybusiness » December 3rd, 2013, 6:27 am

Knaldskalle on Dec 2 2013, 11:17:55 PM wrote:
Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on Dec 2 2013, 03:18:58 PM wrote:
funkybusiness on Dec 2 2013, 02:01:33 PM wrote:Quintessential? So these are like the fifth tier down of essentialisms?
Yes, fifth tier -- actually, 5.342, to be exact.
Currently at 5.432 it should be added, since the value of quintessence is variable. As we all know.
Of course.

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Post by HVM » December 3rd, 2013, 11:44 am

Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on Dec 2 2013, 10:32:07 PM wrote:
HVM on Dec 2 2013, 04:55:23 PM wrote:3. U samogo sinego morya (1936) 6,5/10
4. Mat i syn aka Mother and Son (1997) 6/10
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1. Devushka s korobkoy aka When Moscow Laughs (1927) 7/10
2. Dom na Trubnoy aka Parasha (1928) 7/10
3. U samogo sinego morya (1936) 6,5/10
4. Mat i syn aka Mother and Son (1997) 6/10
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Post by esiersdale » December 3rd, 2013, 3:04 pm

HVM on Dec 2 2013, 04:55:23 PM wrote:3. U samogo sinego morya (1936) 6,5/10
4. Mat i syn aka Mother and Son (1997) 6/10
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1. Devushka s korobkoy aka When Moscow Laughs (1927) 7/10
2. Dom na Trubnoy aka Parasha (1928) 7/10
3. U samogo sinego morya (1936) 6,5/10
4. Mat i syn aka Mother and Son (1997) 6/10
Where'd you find Mat I Syn? I've been looking for it for this challenge.

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Post by HVM » December 3rd, 2013, 4:25 pm

esiersdale on Dec 3 2013, 08:04:24 AM wrote:
HVM on Dec 2 2013, 04:55:23 PM wrote:3. U samogo sinego morya (1936) 6,5/10
4. Mat i syn aka Mother and Son (1997) 6/10
Spoiler: click to toggleShow
1. Devushka s korobkoy aka When Moscow Laughs (1927) 7/10
2. Dom na Trubnoy aka Parasha (1928) 7/10
3. U samogo sinego morya (1936) 6,5/10
4. Mat i syn aka Mother and Son (1997) 6/10
Where'd you find Mat I Syn? I've been looking for it for this challenge.
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Post by Gershwin » December 3rd, 2013, 4:32 pm

esiersdale on Dec 3 2013, 08:04:24 AM wrote:
HVM on Dec 2 2013, 04:55:23 PM wrote:3. U samogo sinego morya (1936) 6,5/10
4. Mat i syn aka Mother and Son (1997) 6/10
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3. U samogo sinego morya (1936) 6,5/10
4. Mat i syn aka Mother and Son (1997) 6/10
Where'd you find Mat I Syn? I've been looking for it for this challenge.
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