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Should the 2020s poll be held annual? Or should it be favs of the last 5 year?

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Should the 2020s poll be held annual?

Poll ended at November 19th, 2023, 11:33 am

Yes
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67%
No, the 2020s should be held periodically but with a lower frequency (frequency will be decided later)
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No, the 2020s should be held when we reach them at the end of another decade polls cycle (if we do that again)
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2%
No, the 2020s should be nominated and voted in like every other option
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5%
No opinion/don't care/don't know
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5%
 
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Should the 2020s poll be held annual? Or should it be favs of the last 5 year?

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Last month for the first time we've chosen our favorite movies of this decade so far (results are coming soon). In the 2010s we held this poll for the 2010s annually. Some (myself among them) thought it was interesting to see the changes every year and to keep up to date with movies fellow forumites love and therefore are "must sees". But others might have found it not or less interesting enough to do this poll every year or don't like this or decade polls at all. Therefor above poll.

The option "No, the 2020s should be held when we reach them at the end of another decade polls cycle (if we do that again)" means we will reach the 2020s in 2028 again (if we start the cycle with the 1930s and -40s next year)

See: viewtopic.php?p=831554#p833480 for the start of the discussion to do a favorites of the last 5 (or 3) years instead.
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Yearly (or bi-yearly, if the schedule is an issue) would male the most sense.

I can imagine the list enjoying a drastic changes in the next few years in particular as less then 40% of the decade was over, and with probably just 25-30% of the decade's films readily available this year, and tracking these changes will be interesting. Even as it stabilises towards the end we will still have big risers and new films every year.

If someone has the time to write these up on iCinema I think it can also be a strong recruitment drive. Any volunteers?
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Good comparison to the End-of-year Year-by-Year polls.
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Rufus-T wrote: ↑November 6th, 2023, 4:10 pm Good comparison to the End-of-year Year-by-Year polls.
Yes. Might be an idea to schedule it in annually in December (or January). Of course that means not everyone will have seen all movies that came out that year, but when it's done every year people have enough change to catch up and vote for those next year again.
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Lonewolf2003 wrote: ↑November 6th, 2023, 4:40 pm
Rufus-T wrote: ↑November 6th, 2023, 4:10 pm Good comparison to the End-of-year Year-by-Year polls.
Yes. Might be an idea to schedule it in annually in December (or January). Of course that means not everyone will have seen all movies that came out that year, but when it's done every year people have enough change to catch up and vote for those next year again.
Great idea scheduling it at end or early of the year since the year-end poll is currently set for middle of the year for the immediate future. Not enough people watching the films for the recent year is just the nature of the poll. At least the comparison for the earlier years of the decade will be more polished.
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I'm fine with scheduling it for any month, but ultimately I'd like it to be annual. It's likely to have quite a bit of shifting from year-to-year, it includes films that likely haven't appeared in other polls yet, and its really a great jumping off point for exploring the newest films. I actually think our 2010s poll lists were the lists I actively used the most to decide what to watch as those were being run year-to-year.
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I might even rank my list if I know we will do the poll again in a year
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TraverseTown wrote: ↑November 6th, 2023, 5:49 pm I'm fine with scheduling it for any month, but ultimately I'd like it to be annual. It's likely to have quite a bit of shifting from year-to-year, it includes films that likely haven't appeared in other polls yet, and its really a great jumping off point for exploring the newest films. I actually think our 2010s poll lists were the lists I actively used the most to decide what to watch as those were being run year-to-year.
I second this.
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I voted annual, but I'd also be perfectly fine with biannual.
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I say escape the tyranny and arbitrary dividing lines of decades that cause skewed view of cinema history and instead have a fixture of a 'last 5 years' poll for a scope of best recent films

If you run the poll every year from now to 2030, the year 2020 is polled 8 times and 2029 just once. Whereas if you have a 'last 5 years', for each new year that is eligible the oldest year is removed so the results stay fresh (did A Separation ever not top the 2010s poll?)

I have also previously advocated for 'decade' polls which split the decades down the middle e.g. a 1965-1974 poll would be much more interesting to me than running 1960s and 1970s over and over for eternity. Shift the frame :cowbow:
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brokenface wrote: ↑November 18th, 2023, 8:58 am I say escape the tyranny and arbitrary dividing lines of decades that cause skewed view of cinema history and instead have a fixture of a 'last 5 years' poll for a scope of best recent films

If you run the poll every year from now to 2030, the year 2020 is polled 8 times and 2029 just once. Whereas if you have a 'last 5 years', for each new year that is eligible the oldest year is removed so the results stay fresh (did A Separation ever not top the 2010s poll?)
This makes so much sense! we can decide on any number of years (3, 5, 10) but going by "best of last n years'' would make better lists than sticking to a year number that doesn't mean anything.

Maybe at the end of the decade we can hold a best of the decade poll.
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brokenface wrote: ↑November 18th, 2023, 8:58 am I say escape the tyranny and arbitrary dividing lines of decades that cause skewed view of cinema history and instead have a fixture of a 'last 5 years' poll for a scope of best recent films

If you run the poll every year from now to 2030, the year 2020 is polled 8 times and 2029 just once. Whereas if you have a 'last 5 years', for each new year that is eligible the oldest year is removed so the results stay fresh (did A Separation ever not top the 2010s poll?)
Sorry, but this idea is

... wait. This obviously has benefits.
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msainy wrote: ↑November 18th, 2023, 10:58 am
brokenface wrote: ↑November 18th, 2023, 8:58 am I say escape the tyranny and arbitrary dividing lines of decades that cause skewed view of cinema history and instead have a fixture of a 'last 5 years' poll for a scope of best recent films

If you run the poll every year from now to 2030, the year 2020 is polled 8 times and 2029 just once. Whereas if you have a 'last 5 years', for each new year that is eligible the oldest year is removed so the results stay fresh (did A Separation ever not top the 2010s poll?)
This makes so much sense! we can decide on any number of years (3, 5, 10) but going by "best of last n years'' would make better lists than sticking to a year number that doesn't mean anything.

Maybe at the end of the decade we can hold a best of the decade poll.
I personally really like this idea of favorite of last 5 years and would be for doing this instead of the decade so far poll. How do others feel? If we did the first in 2024 the years could be 2020 to 2024.

Either we do this idea or just go with 2020s so far, how do we all feel about scheduling it in December standard?
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Since the 2024 poll would presumably be for 2020-2024, and not 2019-2023, I'd be in favour of changing it to the "last 5 years". In that case, though, it'd be better to have the poll toward the end of the year in order to get most of 2024 in; otherwise, I'd suggest doing it in the spring if we're doing the last 5 years before 2024.
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I like this idea! Good thinking brokenface.
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I'm not sure about that since its kinda breaking the trend of what the forum did with the 2010s

And really, yes the forum ends up favouring 2010-2014 in the 2010s list for some reason, but that's probably many people saw more or were less critical during that time than actually now (?). I'm not sure if many people really use this lists to discover new films, in particular A Separation. But I have a feeling quite a bit of people did participate in 2010s poll that definitely watched way less recent films than early 2010 films for some reason. It wasn't just A Separation. The last list though got more diverse in covering more recent years but there still was an early 2010s bias but less so than in every other poll done before.

To be fair, many official 2010 lists have the same issue kinda, sometimes even worse than the forum list in terms of that bias. Catching up with films is an increasingly hard task it seems (or getting surprised/impressed/satisfied as one ages and has seen more & more films). Though the last 2010s poll done (i think this spring? was the best 2010s list i've ever seen i think).
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Also, a decision doesn't have to be made now. Even with "only films of the last 5 years", it's still 2020 to 2024 next year (unless 2019-2023 is done, but i think 2020-2024 would end up with a more interesting list since it's more recent and that was kind of the argument of why people want only last 5 years, it would make no sense to include 2019 back again than if that was the intention).

So regardless of what is decided, at least for next year, nothing would change.

Also one of the advantages of lists would be trends (and that would basically be "undone"). I for instance still have a lot to catch up and that'll be with more people the case and some of the more recent films, not everyone would have had the chance to catch up with that one. So some films could really rise in such a poll, you risk missing out on these trends, it's not because people have nightmares about A Separation being on 1 for all editions that this would happen again (would surprise me if The Banshees of Inisherin could pull that off, even if that one probably has few "haters" on the site, which probably was the same with A Separation). I also don't think that one has much potential to grow, it has been kinda accessible (incl. being on disney plus) and well-covered in film circles. I don't think the same will happen again as what happened with A Separation. And the most interesting thing about such lists isn't the nΒ°1, it rarely is.
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I don't mind breaking tradition, it will keep things fresh, granted a bit more work in terms of upkeep of the list.
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Lakigigar wrote: ↑November 21st, 2023, 4:48 pm Also, a decision doesn't have to be made now. Even with "only films of the last 5 years", it's still 2020 to 2024 next year (unless 2019-2023 is done, but i think 2020-2024 would end up with a more interesting list since it's more recent and that was kind of the argument of why people want only last 5 years, it would make no sense to include 2019 back again than if that was the intention).

So regardless of what is decided, at least for next year, nothing would change.
Good point. We don’t need to decide this now.
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It's really up to the people doing the work. I personally enjoy seeing the decade update each year, even though it's nonsensical, decimal decades are completely arbitrary.

I always thought it would be nice to do a poll a couple of years after a year ended, so that distribution works it way to all the corners of the globe and people are more fully watched. So a 2021 poll in 2023 for example. The ICMFF is good for this because there's a catchup window.
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matthewscott8 wrote: ↑November 21st, 2023, 9:40 pm It's really up to the people doing the work. I personally enjoy seeing the decade update each year, even though it's nonsensical, decimal decades are completely arbitrary.

I always thought it would be nice to do a poll a couple of years after a year ended, so that distribution works it way to all the corners of the globe and people are more fully watched. So a 2021 poll in 2023 for example. The ICMFF is good for this because there's a catchup window.
I agree that the YBY polls for me are too early. A lot of films with a 2021 also often aren't released yet in every nation (esp. if they had limited releases and/or were foreign "festival" films). And it takes time for people to be up to date as well, incl. me.

Of course, i myself am slow so... yea i'll always be behind. So def. don't look at me
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matthewscott8 wrote: ↑November 21st, 2023, 9:40 pm It's really up to the people doing the work. I personally enjoy seeing the decade update each year, even though it's nonsensical, decimal decades are completely arbitrary.

I always thought it would be nice to do a poll a couple of years after a year ended, so that distribution works it way to all the corners of the globe and people are more fully watched. So a 2021 poll in 2023 for example. The ICMFF is good for this because there's a catchup window.
Yeah I agree with this
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Lakigigar wrote: ↑November 21st, 2023, 4:48 pm Also one of the advantages of lists would be trends (and that would basically be "undone"). I for instance still have a lot to catch up and that'll be with more people the case and some of the more recent films, not everyone would have had the chance to catch up with that one. So some films could really rise in such a poll, you risk missing out on these trends, it's not because people have nightmares about A Separation being on 1 for all editions that this would happen again (would surprise me if The Banshees of Inisherin could pull that off, even if that one probably has few "haters" on the site, which probably was the same with A Separation). I also don't think that one has much potential to grow, it has been kinda accessible (incl. being on disney plus) and well-covered in film circles. I don't think the same will happen again as what happened with A Separation. And the most interesting thing about such lists isn't the nΒ°1, it rarely is.
I'd argue that having it as a capped poll covering 5 year window would give more opportunity to show trends because the pool of eligible films competing each year would remain roughly the same size. Otherwise the chances for a lesser-seen early decade film to rise as it gets a bit more exposure/wider release is cancelled out somewhat by the fact the pool of films it is competing against grows by several hundred films each year as the decade goes on. Or it's a late decade release which doesn't get any chance to make impact as by the time people have seen it we've moved on to the next decade and left it behind in 2019.

agreed, #1 is definitely not the main thing, but that was just illustrative and I think it is a downside when the top part of the list becomes very locked down. One of the things I like about 500<400 is that films graduate off the list when they reach 400 and that allows it to shift a bit more.
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brokenface wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2023, 9:09 am
Lakigigar wrote: ↑November 21st, 2023, 4:48 pm Also one of the advantages of lists would be trends (and that would basically be "undone"). I for instance still have a lot to catch up and that'll be with more people the case and some of the more recent films, not everyone would have had the chance to catch up with that one. So some films could really rise in such a poll, you risk missing out on these trends, it's not because people have nightmares about A Separation being on 1 for all editions that this would happen again (would surprise me if The Banshees of Inisherin could pull that off, even if that one probably has few "haters" on the site, which probably was the same with A Separation). I also don't think that one has much potential to grow, it has been kinda accessible (incl. being on disney plus) and well-covered in film circles. I don't think the same will happen again as what happened with A Separation. And the most interesting thing about such lists isn't the nΒ°1, it rarely is.
I'd argue that having it as a capped poll covering 5 year window would give more opportunity to show trends because the pool of eligible films competing each year would remain roughly the same size. Otherwise the chances for a lesser-seen early decade film to rise as it gets a bit more exposure/wider release is cancelled out somewhat by the fact the pool of films it is competing against grows by several hundred films each year as the decade goes on. Or it's a late decade release which doesn't get any chance to make impact as by the time people have seen it we've moved on to the next decade and left it behind in 2019.

agreed, #1 is definitely not the main thing, but that was just illustrative and I think it is a downside when the top part of the list becomes very locked down. One of the things I like about 500<400 is that films graduate off the list when they reach 400 and that allows it to shift a bit more.
yeah but perhaps 2015-2019 also deserves some proper treatment in that case :lol:
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I prefer to keep the decade poll as it is so that we keep doing favorite movies of the 2020s every year from now through 2031.

It's also possible to filter results from a 2020s poll for the most recent five years. So for example, when we do the poll in 2027, we can see the full results for the 2020s and then a filtered list limited to 2023-2027.
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blocho wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2023, 7:07 pm I prefer to keep the decade poll as it is so that we keep doing favorite movies of the 2020s every year from now through 2031.

It's also possible to filter results from a 2020s poll for the most recent five years. So for example, when we do the poll in 2027, we can see the full results for the 2020s and then a filtered list limited to 2023-2027.
Kind my thought too. Sorry, not too crazy about the recent 5 years idea. Seeing the progression of the 2020s poll as it goes deeper into the decade is more interesting. Like blocho said, we can filter out just to see the past 5 years.
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True during the decade, but really my aim behind it is a fight back against the artificial decade barrier, so that eventually it'd keep going to 2026-2030, 2027-2031 etc. I find it a shame that other than all-time lists, we never have e.g. 1979 and 1980 competing on the same list because of the arbitrary decade line. Yet many of those films would have had overlapping releases, they are absolutely of the same era in film but they are severed and looking back, 1979 is effectively seen as closer to 1970 than 1980

Maybe keep the same, but I'll put a 2030 reminder in my calendar to re-start the campaign then :D
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