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[blocho]

So, how 'bout them Mets? (The Dodgers suck, btw.)

It's been quite an up-and-down season for the Mets so far. I feel buoyed by five straight wins, but each came by only one run. Hard to put a lot of stock in that. So even after the past week, I still think this is no better than an 80-85 win team. But it's still early in the season. I could be surprised.

By the way, you can't say the Dodgers suck, not when they have the best record in the NL. If you're a Dodgers fan, how can you be so dour? Unlike the Mets, the Dodgers actually win on a regular basis.

[xianjiro]

So, how 'bout them Mets? (The Dodgers suck, btw.)

It's been quite an up-and-down season for the Mets so far. I feel buoyed by five straight wins, but each came by only one run. Hard to put a lot of stock in that. So even after the past week, I still think this is no better than an 80-85 win team. But it's still early in the season. I could be surprised.

By the way, you can't say the Dodgers suck, not when they have the best record in the NL. If you're a Dodgers fan, how can you be so dour? Unlike the Mets, the Dodgers actually win on a regular basis.

Have they made any official list worthy movies about the Mets? It's been a while since I've seen a baseball movie ...

And I'm guessing you've missed the news re: Dodgers, Pride Night, and caving to Rubio. That's why the Dodgers suck.

[blocho]

Have they made any official list worthy movies about the Mets? It's been a while since I've seen a baseball movie ...

And I'm guessing you've missed the news re: Dodgers, Pride Night, and caving to Rubio. That's why the Dodgers suck.

I watch the Mets because they represent the best example I've yet seen of existentialism in sports. They are the rock, and we fans are Sisyphus. If the freakin' Indians got a good baseball movie, the Mets certainly should.

And yes, totally missed that news item about the Dodgers. And I'm not going to look it up either.

[xianjiro]

Have they made any official list worthy movies about the Mets? It's been a while since I've seen a baseball movie ...

And I'm guessing you've missed the news re: Dodgers, Pride Night, and caving to Rubio. That's why the Dodgers suck.

I watch the Mets because they represent the best example I've yet seen of existentialism in sports. They are the rock, and we fans are Sisyphus. If the freakin' Indians got a good baseball movie, the Mets certainly should.

And yes, totally missed that news item about the Dodgers. And I'm not going to look it up either.

You're talking to a (margin) Cubs fan about sisyphusian existentialism?!? Actually, I'm really not big on pro sports of any kind unless it's a team I have some sort of (marginal) connection with. I went to a couple AAA baseball games in Portland before they were undercut by MLS, but given ticket sales, soccer is way more popular here than baseball. But they want to spend something $125,000,000 to build a stadium for our suburban A baseball club. Moneyball anyone?

[blocho]

You're talking to a (margin) Cubs fan about sisyphusian existentialism?!? Actually, I'm really not big on pro sports of any kind unless it's a team I have some sort of (marginal) connection with. I went to a couple AAA baseball games in Portland before they were undercut by MLS, but given ticket sales, soccer is way more popular here than baseball. But they want to spend something $125,000,000 to build a stadium for our suburban A baseball club. Moneyball anyone?

At least the Cubs won a championship in this century.

And don't get me started on public money for sports stadiums. Much as I enjoy/endure the Mets, it still makes me mad that NYC forked out $600 million for their stadium.

[Knaldskalle]

You're talking to a (margin) Cubs fan about sisyphusian existentialism?!? Actually, I'm really not big on pro sports of any kind unless it's a team I have some sort of (marginal) connection with. I went to a couple AAA baseball games in Portland before they were undercut by MLS, but given ticket sales, soccer is way more popular here than baseball. But they want to spend something $125,000,000 to build a stadium for our suburban A baseball club. Moneyball anyone?

At least the Cubs won a championship in this century.

And don't get me started on public money for sports stadiums. Much as I enjoy/endure the Mets, it still makes me mad that NYC forked out $600 million for their stadium.

At least those stadiums get used. Forking out hundreds of millions of tax payer dollars to pay for NFL stadiums is what makes me shake my head. Those get used, what, 6-7 times a year? If we include playoffs, its goes up to maybe 9 times?

[blocho]

Forking out hundreds of millions of tax payer dollars to pay for NFL stadiums is what makes me shake my head. Those get used, what, 6-7 times a year? If we include playoffs, its goes up to maybe 9 times?

Yes, indeed. Here in New York, $800 million in public money just went to the Buffalo Bills new stadium, which will be used 10 times a year for regular and preseason games. What's especially galling is that the Bills already had a stadium that worked perfectly fine, just as the Mets did.

Incidentally, New York also recently increased its annual subsidy for movie/TV production from $420 million to $700 million. So next time you see anything that was shot in New York, please remember to thank me for funding it.

[dirty_score]

The New Cult Canon: Memories of Murder (2003)

[Torgo]

The New Cult Canon: Memories of Murder (2003)

That link is a trap!

(It's true though.)

[dirty_score]

Sorry, I forgot the link. I was probably distracted. Thanks Torgo!

[AdamH]

0 changes in the pre 1910s list for the first time ever thanks to one user adding fake favourites to all new entries to stabilise the list. Might be the end of the constant changes at the bottom. I don't see the point personally. Maybe trying to maintain a platinum?

[Fergenaprido]

New Cult Canon updated, thanks.

[Tasselfoot]

0 changes in the pre 1910s list for the first time ever thanks to one user adding fake favourites to all new entries to stabilise the list. Might be the end of the constant changes at the bottom. I don't see the point personally. Maybe trying to maintain a platinum?

that user looking for some beers from us. i'll buy a round.

[kongs_speech]

0 changes in the pre 1910s list for the first time ever thanks to one user adding fake favourites to all new entries to stabilise the list. Might be the end of the constant changes at the bottom. I don't see the point personally. Maybe trying to maintain a platinum?

God bless whoever did this, seriously. Check-whoring ~30 minutes of ancient shorts every week has been an exercise in futility.

[Torgo]

LOL you guys

[AdamH]

Such a pity that people are forced to sit through 5-minute shorts twice a week rather than choosing not to watch them...

Only option is to manipulate the lists of course Good to know for future reference!

[Knaldskalle]

Such a pity that people are forced to sit through 5-minute shorts twice a week rather than choosing not to watch them...

Only option is to manipulate the lists of course Good to know for future reference!

Exactly. I don't even have bronze on that list and that's just fine. I'll get around to it at some point but there's no rush.

[Apu]

https://theyshootpictures.com/noir1000updates.htm

[AdamH]

Such a pity that people are forced to sit through 5-minute shorts twice a week rather than choosing not to watch them...

Only option is to manipulate the lists of course Good to know for future reference!

Exactly. I don't even have bronze on that list and that's just fine. I'll get around to it at some point but there's no rush.

I'm done with the list now and have removed all my pre-1910s favourites. I was enjoying enjoying the list an exploration of the history of film but the iCM community is more about obsessively sitting through endless of hours of stuff they don't like for the sake of an award. Just makes the list meaningless and I honestly don't understand why people continue to watch/try to maniuplate the list so they don't have to watch more of something they didn't like in the first place...

[gunnar]

Watching a few shorts every once in a while to keep my platinum doesn't bother me. Some of the pre-1910 shorts are interesting, though some get a bit old with repeating certain types of things. Why exactly does everybody feel the need to join in a chase, causing increasing chaos as they go?

I don't favorite anything on ICM and I haven't labeled anything as a dislike either.

[xianjiro]

Actually, it's been a few weeks since my gold on the pre-1910s list has been in jeopardy. And while I can't say I've found films in the batch that compare with other, much more recent, movies I've watched many times, I wouldn't describe it as a waste. It's the history of cinema and it's more edifying than enjoyable, (but I also watch opera and rap-musicals for similar reasons). A good part of kinophilia, in my mind, is exploring outside one's own comfort zone and thinking about what one has seen. I also make a habit of watching 'crap' too -- helps maintain perspective, but that's my approach. To each, an individual choice.

As for favoriting, I have honored four films on the current list in that way though I suspect there might be one or two more that fell off the list. That someone might seek to manipulate the rankings, well that doesn't come as a surprise on a wide-open system like iCM (or IMDb for that matter). (shh) It happens. It's nowhere near problematic enough to cause me to change my behavior. I'll still watch.

[Torgo]

https://theyshootpictures.com/noir1000updates.htm

Iron Man (2008)? Now I've had it with Bill's modern mainstream additions for the list!

Spoiler

[Fergenaprido]

https://theyshootpictures.com/noir1000updates.htm

List updated, thanks.

Iron Man (1951) & the Red Menace (1949) turn official. The Lupino film and the two Japanese noirs are already on multiple lists.

[Fergenaprido]

Such a pity that people are forced to sit through 5-minute shorts twice a week rather than choosing not to watch them...

Only option is to manipulate the lists of course Good to know for future reference!

Exactly. I don't even have bronze on that list and that's just fine. I'll get around to it at some point but there's no rush.

I'm done with the list now and have removed all my pre-1910s favourites. I was enjoying enjoying the list an exploration of the history of film but the iCM community is more about obsessively sitting through endless of hours of stuff they don't like for the sake of an award. Just makes the list meaningless and I honestly don't understand why people continue to watch/try to maniuplate the list so they don't have to watch more of something they didn't like in the first place...

Why give in and remove your own favourites, essentially handing over "control" of the list to the very people you're complaining about? I understand the concept of "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em", but this just feels like complete surrender. I agree with you that their tactics are counter to the intention of the list, but what you're doing just amplifies that, by removing the voice of someone who was genuinely favoriting/not favoriting films.

Please reconsider.

[AdamH]

Exactly. I don't even have bronze on that list and that's just fine. I'll get around to it at some point but there's no rush.

I'm done with the list now and have removed all my pre-1910s favourites. I was enjoying enjoying the list an exploration of the history of film but the iCM community is more about obsessively sitting through endless of hours of stuff they don't like for the sake of an award. Just makes the list meaningless and I honestly don't understand why people continue to watch/try to maniuplate the list so they don't have to watch more of something they didn't like in the first place...

Why give in and remove your own favourites, essentially handing over "control" of the list to the very people you're complaining about? I understand the concept of "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em", but this just feels like complete surrender. I agree with you that their tactics are counter to the intention of the list, but what you're doing just amplifies that, by removing the voice of someone who was genuinely favoriting/not favoriting films.

Please reconsider.

There have been users adding fake favourites in the past i.e. favouriting every new entry to keep them in the list and then removing the favourite when they drop off but the users who used to do that seems to have got bored of it. Now we have a new one doing it. I guess I've just lost interest now as it's not really a proper list when it's manipulated like this. "Control" has already gone and most on here are happy with this because they absolutely no interest in the shorts, only in the checks/awards. I cared a lot about the list but I realise that I'm in the minority so I'll take a break from it.

[Fergenaprido]

I'm done with the list now and have removed all my pre-1910s favourites. I was enjoying enjoying the list an exploration of the history of film but the iCM community is more about obsessively sitting through endless of hours of stuff they don't like for the sake of an award. Just makes the list meaningless and I honestly don't understand why people continue to watch/try to maniuplate the list so they don't have to watch more of something they didn't like in the first place...

Why give in and remove your own favourites, essentially handing over "control" of the list to the very people you're complaining about? I understand the concept of "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em", but this just feels like complete surrender. I agree with you that their tactics are counter to the intention of the list, but what you're doing just amplifies that, by removing the voice of someone who was genuinely favoriting/not favoriting films.

Please reconsider.

There have been users adding fake favourites in the past i.e. favouriting every new entry to keep them in the list and then removing the favourite when they drop off but the users who used to do that seems to have got bored of it. Now we have a new one doing it. I guess I've just lost interest now as it's not really a proper list when it's manipulated like this. "Control" has already gone and most on here are happy with this because they absolutely no interest in the shorts, only in the checks/awards. I cared a lot about the list but I realise that I'm in the minority so I'll take a break from it.

Sure, take a break from working on the list, but why undo what you've already done? As more and more users work on this list and check off the films on it, the smaller and smaller the influence of a single user or small group of users is going to get, to the point where one or a few people trying to manipulate it won't work because there will be too many other legitimate checks and favourites to make a difference. Removing all of your current favourites increases the likelihood that they'll fall down/off the list, conversely causing more changes to it and potentially causing them to lose more favourites as a results, and thus they will have less of a chance of being discovered by others who are genuinely working on the list and/or looking for films from that period that users genuinely like.

[Torgo]

+1 what Ferg said

[AdamH]

Why give in and remove your own favourites, essentially handing over "control" of the list to the very people you're complaining about? I understand the concept of "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em", but this just feels like complete surrender. I agree with you that their tactics are counter to the intention of the list, but what you're doing just amplifies that, by removing the voice of someone who was genuinely favoriting/not favoriting films.

Please reconsider.

There have been users adding fake favourites in the past i.e. favouriting every new entry to keep them in the list and then removing the favourite when they drop off but the users who used to do that seems to have got bored of it. Now we have a new one doing it. I guess I've just lost interest now as it's not really a proper list when it's manipulated like this. "Control" has already gone and most on here are happy with this because they absolutely no interest in the shorts, only in the checks/awards. I cared a lot about the list but I realise that I'm in the minority so I'll take a break from it.

Sure, take a break from working on the list, but why undo what you've already done? As more and more users work on this list and check off the films on it, the smaller and smaller the influence of a single user or small group of users is going to get, to the point where one or a few people trying to manipulate it won't work because there will be too many other legitimate checks and favourites to make a difference. Removing all of your current favourites increases the likelihood that they'll fall down/off the list, conversely causing more changes to it and potentially causing them to lose more favourites as a results, and thus they will have less of a chance of being discovered by others who are genuinely working on the list and/or looking for films from that period that users genuinely like.

I appreciate the message but I'm kind of all or nothing about things like this and the manipulating of the list makes me go towards nothing. There should be a bunch of changes tomorrow in the list and all the new entries will likely get a new fake favourite and stay there but that should please most as they have no interest in the shorts anyway and it will be shorts coming back in the list that have been there already so they'll already have their checks.

[Minkin]

So, I'm in the process of making a Complete Badmovies.org review list - as all we have are the films rated 3+, and that eliminates several hundred films that have been treated equally with love and respect, despite being "worse". So, I thought I should honor that project with a complete list (including the capsule + guest reviews). It isn't done but you can check progress here.

Anyway, one of the entries (which is rated high enough to be on ICM) is:
THE EDUCATIONAL ARCHIVES: SEX & DRUGS

He then lists this selection of shorts:
CASE STUDIES: LSD, MARIJUANA, BARBITUATES, AMPHETAMINES, & HEROIN

I could find all of them on ICM/IMDB except Case Study: Marijuana...??

I assume he made a mistake by listing it - as I can't find any information online about it existing, but I was curious if someone could see if this actually exists or not - as it sounds like it should exist / be included, but I have no idea if it's real or not - and if real, it would need to be added to the ICM list (as its rated high enough)

[beasterne]

There have been users adding fake favourites in the past i.e. favouriting every new entry to keep them in the list and then removing the favourite when they drop off but the users who used to do that seems to have got bored of it. Now we have a new one doing it. I guess I've just lost interest now as it's not really a proper list when it's manipulated like this. "Control" has already gone and most on here are happy with this because they absolutely no interest in the shorts, only in the checks/awards. I cared a lot about the list but I realise that I'm in the minority so I'll take a break from it.

Sure, take a break from working on the list, but why undo what you've already done? As more and more users work on this list and check off the films on it, the smaller and smaller the influence of a single user or small group of users is going to get, to the point where one or a few people trying to manipulate it won't work because there will be too many other legitimate checks and favourites to make a difference. Removing all of your current favourites increases the likelihood that they'll fall down/off the list, conversely causing more changes to it and potentially causing them to lose more favourites as a results, and thus they will have less of a chance of being discovered by others who are genuinely working on the list and/or looking for films from that period that users genuinely like.

I appreciate the message but I'm kind of all or nothing about things like this and the manipulating of the list makes me go towards nothing. There should be a bunch of changes tomorrow in the list and all the new entries will likely get a new fake favourite and stay there but that should please most as they have no interest in the shorts anyway and it will be shorts coming back in the list that have been there already so they'll already have their checks.

Strikes me as “throwing the baby out with the bathwater”, “cutting off your nose to spite your face”, or “taking your ball and going home”. If these films are legitimate favorites of yours, well then I truly do not understand how other users’ actions have any bearing on whether you should leave them marked as favorites. If they’re not legitimate favorites of yours and you only had them marked as such due to how the list is generated—doesn’t that mean you were “playing the game” like the other users who have earned your ire?

[Minkin]

New Masters of Cinema - Three Ages (1923)

[Fergenaprido]

New Masters of Cinema - Three Ages (1923)

Updated, thanks.

[nymets138]

New Masters of Cinema - Three Ages (1923)

Updated, thanks.

There's a second new entry from that announcement, The Skyhawk (1974), on ICM as Huang Fei-hong xiao lin quan (1974)

[Fergenaprido]

New Masters of Cinema - Three Ages (1923)

Updated, thanks.

There's a second new entry from that announcement, The Skyhawk (1974), on ICM as Huang Fei-hong xiao lin quan (1974)

I saw that, but that's part of their Classics collection, not Masters of Cinema. I doublechecked on the official website. It also doesn't have a spine number.

[nymets138]

Thanks for checking on it. Appreciate it.

[Fergenaprido]

I tested it out on a personal list first, but I think I've come up with a workaround for the sorting issue with the Pre-1910s icm list.

Here's the new URL, for those who track them: https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/iche ... s+top+100/

I added a second space before "pre", and that correctly sorts the list in front of the 1910s list, though it doesn't seem to display an extra space in the Progress Page or on the list's page. I also added the dash in "pre-1910s" while I was at it.

It already moved spots in my progress page, so hopefully this was an instant update that applies to everyone as well.

[Torgo]

Can confirm it moved.

A genius workaround!

[Ebbywebby]

[Fergenaprido]

Can confirm it moved.

A genius workaround!

Thanks.

Hopefully it doesn't break anything in the background I cannot see.

[Torgo]

though it doesn't seem to display an extra space in the Progress Page or on the list's page.

However, the extra space magically becomes visible when you hover over the list, like on your award page.