Country Poll: Argentina [LAST CALL]

Fergenaprido · #1

Overview of the Project
Schedule
Google Sheet

May 2023: Argentina

Rules
* You may vote for a minimum of 5 and a maximum of 20 titles.
* Feature films, documentaries, shorts, made-for-tv movies, direct-to-video movies, TV mini-series, and TV episodes from anthology series are all eligible.
* One country per film - IMDB is used as a guideline, but Fergenaprido will be the final arbiter for uncertain cases.
* All ballots are considered ranked unless otherwise stated.
* You must include a list of bare imdb URLs along with your ballot (preferably within a spoiler tag), otherwise your ballot will be disqualified.

Scoring
For ranked ballots, the top-ranked title will receive the number of points equal to the number of titles on the ballot, with each successive title receiving one point less.
I.e. A list with 20 titles means #1 has 20 points, #2 has 19 points, and #20 has 1 point; a list with 5 titles means #1 has 5 points, #2 has 4 points, and #5 has 1 point.

For unranked ballots, each title will receive an equal share of the total points that would have been allotted it the ballot had been ranked.
I.e. A list with 20 titles means each title would receive 10.5 points; a list with 5 titles means each title would receive 3 points.

Resources:
Argentinian films sorted by number of votes*
Argentinian films sorted by your rating on imdb*
Wikipedia article on Cinema of Argentina
*due to imdb allowing films to be attributed to more than one country, many titles in this filter may be ineligible for this poll if Argentina is not the primary country of production. Decisions about uncertain films will be listed in the second post of this thread.

Many thanks to Rufus-T & gromit82 for the framework from the Year by Year polls, and to maxwelldeux for the Excel template.

31 Participants:

Fully ranked lists of 20 titles unless otherwise indicated

Fergenaprido
sortile9io
Silga (9 titles)
Y U M E
blocho (9 titles)
gunnar (17 titles)
filmbantha
beavis
Mario Gaborović
Caracortada (1 ineligible)
zzzorf
St. Gloede (2 films switched order)
insomnius (unranked)
Ivan0716 (15 titles)
Mysterious Dude (15 titles)
Angel Glez (unranked)
pitchorneirda (5 titles)
Melvelet (17 titles)
joachimt (10 titles) (unranked)
sol
Leopardi
peeptoad (16 titles)
AB537 (6 titles)
cayado-coro (unranked)
sacmersault (1 ineligible)
Mifune (7 titles)
Panunzio
Gordon_Gekko (15 titles)
lineuphere
ororama (12 titles)
RogerTheMovieManiac88

(unranked)
(2 ineligibles)
(12 titles)

Deadline: 11:59:59 p.m. May 31, 2023, UTC -10 (Hawaii Time)

Fergenaprido · #2

If you have any eligibility questions, please mention them in this thread. This post will act as a summary of all decisions (films listed in alphabetical order in each section).

Final Decisions
Azor (2021) - Switzerland/France/Argentina - Swiss film, not eligible
Carancho (2010) - Argentina/many more - Argentinian film, eligible
Diarios de motocicleta [The Motorcyle Diaries] (2004) - Argentina/many more - Argentinian film, eligible
El abrazo de la serpiente [Embrace of the Serpent] (2015) - Colombia/Argentina/Venezuela - Colombian film, not eligible
El camino del sur [Journey to the South] (1988) - Argentina/Yugoslavia (Serbia/North Macedonia) - Argentinian film, eligible
El método [The Method] (2005) - Spain/Argentina - Spanish film, not eligible
El secreto de sus ojos [The Secret in Their Eyes] (2009) - Argentina/Spain - Argentinian film, eligible
Garage Olimpo (1999) - Argentina/Italy/France - Argentinian film, eligible
Hogar [Maternal] (2019) - Argentina/Italy - Argentinian film, eligible
L'homme sans tête [The Man Without a Head] (2003) - France/Argentina - French film, not eligible
La balandra Isabel llegó esta tarde [The Yacht Isabel Arrived This Afternoon] - Venezuela/Argentina - Venezuelan film, not eligible
La noche de 12 años [A Twelve-Year Night] (2018) - Uruguay/Spain/Argentina/France - Uruguayan film, not eligible
La obra del siglo [The Project of the Century] (2015) - Argentina/Cuba/Germany/Switzerland - Argentinian film, eligible - for now
La sangre y la semilla (1959) - Argentina/Paraguay - Paraguayan film, not eligible
La ventana [The Window] (2008) - Argentina/Spain - Argentinian film, eligible
Relatos salvajes [Wild Tales] (2014) - Argentina/Spain - Argentinian film, eligible
Sin retorno [No Return] (2010) - Argentina/Spain - Argentinian film, eligible
Un lugar en el mundo [A Place in the World] (1992) - Argentina/Uruguay - Argentinian film, eligible

Ongoing Discussions

Fergenaprido · #3

And once again starting things off with my own contribution.

1. El secreto de sus ojos [The Secret in Their Eyes] (2009)
2. Yo, adolescente [Memories of a Teenager] (2019)
3. XXY (2007)
4. El hijo de la novia [Son of the Bride] (2001)
5. La historia oficial [The Official Story] (1985)
6. El empleo [Employment] (2008)
7. El cazador [Young Hunter] (2020)
8. Fin de siglo [End of the Century] (2019)
9. Diarios de motocicleta [The Motorcycle Diaries] (2004)
10. Taekwondo (2016)
11. Luminaris (2011)
12. Plata quemada [Burnt Money] (2000)
13. Un rubio [The Blond One] (2019)
14. Errante corazón [Wandering Heart] (2021)
15. Rosaura a las 10 [Rosaura at Ten O'Clock] (1958)
16. Mi mejor amigo [My Best Friend] (2018)
17. Plan B (2009)
18. Como una novia sin sexo [Bromance] (2016)
19. Hawaii (2013)
20. El ciudadano ilustre [The Distinguished Citizen] (2016)

URLs

HMs/Back-ups:
Silvia Prieto (1999) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0194378/
Balnearios (2002) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0319031/

~~I've got another half dozen films lined up for this month, so perhaps a few changes by the end, but this is already one of my more solid ballots.~~ None of the films I saw were better than these 20, so ballot remains the same.

sortile9io · #4

Here's is a Latin country whose filmography I'd like to explore in more depth, sadly not an easy task due to the poor availability of Argentinian classics. This is a good occasion anyway to recommend for that purpose Top 100 from Argentina 1933-1999 over the already official Argentina-related ICM lists.

1. La mano en la trampa (Leopoldo Torre Nilsson, 1961)
2. Un lugar en el mundo (Adolfo Aristarain, 1992)
3. Nazareno Cruz y el lobo (Leonardo Favio, 1975)
4. El hijo de la novia (Juan José Campanella, 2001)
5. Juan Moreira (Leonardo Favio, 1973)
6. Yo, la peor de todas (María Luisa Bemberg, 1990)
7. La hora de los hornos (Octavio Getino, Fernando E. Solanas, 1968)
8. El viaje (Fernando E. Solanas, 1992)
9. Lugares comunes (Adolfo Aristarain, 2002)
10. La dama duende (Luis Saslavsky, 1942)

11. El exilio de Gardel. Tangos (Fernando E. Solanas, 1985)
12. La casa del ángel (Leopoldo Torre Nilsson, 1957)
13. Hombre mirando al sudeste (Eliseo Subiela, 1986)
14. Memoria del saqueo (Fernando E. Solanas, 2004)
15. El mismo amor, la misma lluvia (Juan José Campanella, 1999)
16. Últimos días de la víctima (Adolfo Aristarain, 1982)
17. Rosaura a las 10 (Mario Soffici, 1958)
18. Las aguas bajan turbias (Hugo del Carril, 1952)
19. El lado oscuro del corazón (Eliseo Subiela, 1992)
20. El camino de San Diego (Carlos Sorín, 2006)

IMDbs

Silga · #5

1. La Ciénaga (Lucrecia Martel, 2001)
2. Wild Tales (Damián Szifron, 2014)
3. Rojo (Benjamín Naishtat, 2018)
4. The Secret in Their Eyes (Juan José Campanella, 2009)
5. The Distinguished Citizen (Mariano Cohn, Gastón Duprat, 2016)
6. Argentina, 1985 (Santiago Mitre, 2022)
7. 77 Doronship (Pablo Agüero, 2009)
8. Eva Doesn't Sleep (Pablo Agüero, 2015)
9. El Angel (Luis Ortega, 2018)

IMDb

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0240419/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3011894/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8956390/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1305806/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4562518/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15301048/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1403041/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2953182/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7204348/

Y U M E · #6

Argentina

A Top 20 out of 100+ features seen.

01. Los Salvajes | Alejandro Fadel
02. La Ciénaga | Lucrecia Martel
03. Buenos Aires Vice Versa | Alejandro Agresti
04. Glue –historia adolescente en medio de la nada– | Alexis Dos Santos
05. P3ND3JO5 | Raul Perrone
06. Una Semana Solos | Celina Murga
07. Los Muertos | Lisandro Alonso
08. La Mujer sin Cabeza | Lucrecia Martel
09. La Hora de los Hornos – Notas y Testimonios Sobre el Neocolonialismo la Violencia y la Liberacion | Octavio Getino/Fernando Ezequiel Solanas
10. Invasión |Hugo Santiago
11. Medianeras | Gustavo Taretto
12. El Viaje | Fernando E. Solanas
13. La Historia Oficial | Luis Puenzo
14. Extraño | Santiago Loza
15. Bolivia | Israel Adrián Caetano
16. Cama Adentro | Jorge Gaggero
17. El Viento se Llevo lo Que | Alejandro Agresti
18. La Libertad | Lisandro Alonso
19. Hombre Mirando al Sudeste | Eliseo Subiela
20. La Obra del Siglo | Carlos M. Quintela

H/M's in case of ineligibility
xx. Lugares Comunes | Adolfo Aristarain
xx. Sur | Fernando E. Solanas

Spoiler

Fergenaprido wrote: ↑May 6th, 2023, 6:42 amAnd once again starting things off with my own contribution.

It's hard to beat you if you post your own ballot 20 minutes after opening the thread on an early Saturday morning in our May holidays (King's Day (no, not thát king

), Liberation Day)

blocho · #7

Could I have eligibility rulings on the following?

The Secret in Their Eyes
The Motorcycle Diaries
A Place in the World
Wild Tales
Carancho
Garage Olimpo
A Twelve-Year Night

pitchorneirda · #8

I need an eligibility ruling on Azor https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11136276/

Fergenaprido · #9

Y U M E wrote: ↑May 6th, 2023, 6:57 pm
Fergenaprido wrote: ↑May 6th, 2023, 6:42 amAnd once again starting things off with my own contribution.
It's hard to beat you if you post your own ballot 20 minutes after opening the thread on an early Saturday morning in our May holidays (King's Day (no, not thát king ), Liberation Day)

Haha, oh I don't mean to post first as a competition, but rather I've started posting my lists first the last few polls, instead of waiting until the end.

Fergenaprido · #10

blocho wrote: ↑May 6th, 2023, 9:29 pm Could I have eligibility rulings on the following?

The Secret in Their Eyes - Argentina/Spain - eligible
The Motorcycle Diaries - didn't realize so many companies were involved in production, and no one company seems to take precedence from what I can tell. It was considered as Argentinian by a couple of awards ceremonies/critics awards, so I'm going to stick with calling it an Argentinian film and consider it eligible for this poll.
A Place in the World - Argentina, as the Oscars famously discovered - eligible
Wild Tales - Argentina/Spain - eligible
Carancho - primarily Argentina - eligible
Garage Olimpo - Italy/France/Argentina - eligible
A Twelve-Year Night - Uruguay/Spain/Argentina/France - not eligible

pitchorneirda wrote: ↑May 6th, 2023, 10:14 pm I need an eligibility ruling on Azor https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11136276/

Switzerland/France/Argentina - not eligible

blocho · #11

1. The Secret in Their Eyes
2. La Antena
3. Carancho
4. Nine Queens
5. The Official Story
6. Garage Olimpo
7. La Patagonia Rebelde
8. The Motorcycle Diaries
9. A Place in the World

Spoiler

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1305806/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0454065/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1542852/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0247586/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089276/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0201631/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071976/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0318462/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104774/

The Worst: The Headless Woman

gunnar · #12

1. A Place in the World (1992)
2. Son of the Bride (2001)
3. The Motorcycle Diaries (2004)
4. Argentina, 1985 (2022)
5. Nine Queens (2000)
6. Clandestine Childhood (2012)
7. The Mothers of Plaza de Mayo (1985)
8. Shunko (1960)
9. Wild Tales (2014)
10. La Antena (2007)
11. The Official Story (1985)
12. Camila (1984)
13. The Secret in Their Eyes (2009)
14. Intimate Stories (2002)
15. The Truce (1974)
16. El Angel (2018)
17. Zama (2017)

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filmbantha · #13

I've watched a lot of Argentinian films in the past couple of months and it's been great exploring what the country has to offer. I've discovered many great films and have a top twenty that I am very happy with, whereas at the start of the year it probably wouldn't have been much more than a top 10. I'm a little disappointed to see that Azor is ineligible as it's an excellent film and was high up my list but maybe it will be eligible for the Switzerland poll when we get round to it? On the plus side, I had discounted The Motorcyle Diaries as being an international production so I can now include that in my list. Thanks for your work on this Ferg and I'll be looking forward to the results as always.

1. The Secret in Their Eyes
2. La Antena
3. Extraordinary Stories
4. The Bitter Stems
5. The Hand in the Trap
6. El Dependiente
7. 4x4
8. Wild Tales
9. Rosaura a las 10
10. Intimate Stories
11. If I Should Die Before I Wake
12. Nine Queens
13. El Critico
14. Bombon
15. End of The Century
16. Yo Adolescente
17. The Motorcycle Diaries
18. Rebellion In Patagonia
19. The Floods
20. Nocturna: Side A

Backups if required:

21. The Funeral Home
22. The Official Story
23. Hardly a Criminal
24. Terrified
25. Leonera

Spoiler

beavis · #14

1 . 5 - Liverpool ( 2008 )
2 . 5 - Los muertos ( 2004 ) Los Muertos
3 . 4,5 - El auge del humano ( 2016 ) The Human Surge
4 . 4,5 - La mujer sin cabeza ( 2008 ) The Headless Woman
5 . 4,5 - Leones ( 2012 ) Lions
6 . 4,5 - Los salvajes ( 2012 ) The Wild Ones
7 . 4,5 - Castro ( 2009 )
8 . 4,5 - Noche ( 2013 ) Night
9 . 4,5 - La hora de los hornos ( 1968 ) The Hour of the Furnaces
10 . 4,5 - La libertad ( 2001 ) Freedom
11 . 4,5 - El exilio de Gardel: Tangos ( 1985 ) Tangos, the Exile of Gardel
12 . 4,5 - La niña santa ( 2004 ) The Holy Girl
13 . 4 - Nazareno Cruz y el lobo ( 1975 ) Nazareno Cruz and the Wolf
14 . 4 - Azor ( 2021 )
15 . 4 - Cómo pasan las horas ( 2005 ) The Hours Go By
16 . 4 - La Ciénaga ( 2001 ) The Swamp
17 . 4 - Un lugar en el mundo ( 1992 ) A Place in the World
18 . 4 - La noche ( 2016 ) The Night
19 . 4 - Maternal ( 2019 )
20 . 4 - Jauja ( 2014 )

Spoiler

shout-out to a few very close runners-up. all with a 4-star rating (could be used as back up if needed)

El Viaje (1992)
Zama (2017)
Errante Corazón (2021)
Habeas Corpus (1986)
Kékszakállú (2016)
Favula (2014)
El Perro Que No Calla (2021)
Mamá, Mamá, Mamá (2020)
La Mujer de los Perros (2015)
Hierba (2016)

NB1 I've excluded Con el Viento (2018) because the director seems to be Spanish, but if somebody else nominates it (highly unlikely as it is little seen) and it is deemed elligible, then it will end up very high upon my list too!

NB2 I need to see a lot more by Leonardo Favio (which I had planned to do this year, so this polls just comes slightly too soon for me), I suspect he might be one of my favorite Argentine directors in the end, from what I've read about the movies...

Mario Gaborović · #15

01. La tregua (1974)
02. Bolivia (1999)
03. El rufián (1961)
04. El dependiente (1969)
05. Rosaura a las 10 (1958)
06. El perro (2004)
07. Tiempo de revancha (1981)
08. Diarios de motocicleta (2004)
09. La hora de los hornos (1968)
10. La historia oficial (1985)
11. El secreto de sus ojos (2009)
12. El otro oficio (1967)
13. La casa del ángel (1957)
14. Hombre mirando al sudeste (1986)
15. Tiempo de valientes (2005)
16. El camino del sur (1988)
17. Nueve reinas (2000)
18. Silvia Prieto (1999)
19. Las aguas bajan turbias (1952)
20. La ciénaga (2001)

Spoiler

Fergenaprido · #16

filmbantha wrote: ↑May 7th, 2023, 10:09 am I'm a little disappointed to see that Azor is ineligible as it's an excellent film and was high up my list but maybe it will be eligible for the Switzerland poll when we get round to it? On the plus side, I had discounted The Motorcyle Diaries as being an international production so I can now include that in my list. Thanks for your work on this Ferg and I'll be looking forward to the results as always.

Glad to have you along for the project until the end.

Yes, Azor will be eligible for Switzerland; I'll update the second post with the rulings later.

Caracortada · #17

Relatos Salvajes (2014)
La Mirada Invisible (2010)
El Método (2005)
Todas las Azafatas Van al Cielo (2002)
Historias Mínimas (2002)
Infancia Clandestina (2011)
Wakolda (2013)
El Clan (2015)
Abrir Puertas y Ventanas (2011)
La Historia Oficial (1985)
La Niña Santa (2004)
Leonera (2008)
El Secreto de Sus Ojos (2009)
La Ciénaga (2001)
La Puta y la Ballena (2004)
La Antena (2007)
Cordero de Dios (2008)
La Quietud (2018)
El Último Verano de la Boyita (2009)
La Cantante de Tango (2009)

Spoiler

zzzorf · #18

Here is my ranked list taken from my master list here: https://letterboxd.com/zzzorf/list/arge ... es-ranked/

1. Relatos salvajes (2014)
2. Rosaura a las 10 (1958)
3. El secreto de sus ojos (2009)
4. La Tutora (2016)
5. El Ángel (2018)
6. Mamá, mamá, mamá (2020)
7. Sol de Agosto (2018)
8. Arpón (2017)
9. Abzurdah (2015)
10. Fin de siglo (2019)
11. Juana a los 12 (2014)
12. El niño pez (2009)
13. 4x4 (2019)
14. Aterrados (2017)
15. Ofrenda (1978)
16. Que sea ley (2019)
17. Diarios de motocicleta (2004)
18. Ellos Volvieron (2015)
19. Leones (2013)
20. El perro que no calla (2021)

Spoiler

iCheckMovies · #19

1. Jauja (2014, Lisandro Alonso)
2. Zama (2017, Lucrecia Martel)
3. Errante corazón / Wandering Heart (2021, Leonardo Brzezicki)
4. La mujer sin cabeza / The Headless Woman (2008, Lucrecia Martel)
5. Prisioneros de la tierra / Prisoners of the Land (1939, Mario Soffici)
6. Mosaico (1970, Néstor Paternostro)
7. Rosaura a las 10 (1958, Mario Soffici)
8. Invasión (1969, Hugo Santiago)
9. Últimas imágenes del naufragio / Last Images of the Shipwreck (1989, Eliseo Subiela)
10. El aura (2005, Fabián Bielinsky)

11. Sur (1988, Fernando E. Solanas)
12. Nazareno Cruz y el lobo / Nazareno Cruz and the Wolf (1975, Leonardo Favio)
13. La niña santa / The Holy Girl (2004, Lucrecia Martel)
14. Los tallos amargos / The Bitter Stems (1956, Fernando Ayala)
15. Medianeras / Sidewalls (2011, Gustavo Taretto)
16. El exilio de Gardel: Tangos / Tango, the Exile of Gardel (1985, Fernando E. Solanas)
17. Tiempo de revancha / Time for Revenge (1981, Adolfo Aristarain)
18. Crónica de un niño solo / Chronicle of a Boy Alone (1965, Leonardo Favio)
19. La antena (2007, Esteban Sapir)
20. La casa del ángel / End of Innocence (1957, Leopoldo Torre Nilsson)

URLs:

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insomnius · #20

UNRANKED

Aniceto (Leonardo Favio, 2008)
CUMP4RSIT4 (Raúl Perrone, 2016)
El quilpo sueñas cataratas (Pablo Mazzolo, 2012)
Embrujada (Armando Bo, 1969)
Favula (Raúl Perrone, 2014)
Gamelan (Claudio Caldini, 1981)*
Hermógenes Cayo (Imaginero) (Jorge Preloran, 1969)
La bestia debe morir (Román Viñoly Barreto, 1952)
La libertad (Lisandro Alonso, 2001)
Los tallos amargos (Fernando Ayala, 1956)
Lux Taal (Claudio Caldini, 2009)
Mburucuyá, cuadros de la naturaleza (Jorge Acha, 1991)
Passacaglia y Fuga (Jorge Honik, 1975)
Piedra sola / Lonely Rock (Alejandro Telémaco Tarraf, 2020)
Rumi (Narcisa Hirsch, 1999)
S4d3 (Raúl Perrone, 2021)
Soledad al fin del mundo (Carlos Casas, Fernando Zuber, 2006)
Sonno Profondo (Luciano Onetti, 2013)
Standard (Jorge Acha, 1989)
Virulencia (Santiago Vitale, 2021)

*Imdb is way off with the year of release

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Ivan0716 · #21

When did Rosaura a las 10 become a Mafia film?

1. La Flor (2018, Mariano Llinás)
2. The Dark Side of the Heart [El lado oscuro del corazón] (1992, Eliseo Subiela)
3. The Holy Girl [La niña santa] (2004, Lucrecia Martel)
4. Rosaura at 10 O'Clock [Rosaura a las 10] (1958, Mario Soffici)
5. La Ciénaga (2001, Lucrecia Martel)
6. Zama (2017, Lucrecia Martel)
7. Sidewalls [Medianeras] (2011, Gustavo Taretto)
8. The House of the Angel [La casa del ángel] (1957, Leopoldo Torre Nilsson)
9. The Secret in Their Eyes [El secreto de sus ojos] (2009, Juan José Campanella)
10. Extraordinary Stories [Historias extraordinarias] (2008, Mariano Llinás)
11. Trenque Lauquen (2022, Laura Citarella)
12. The Headless Woman [La mujer sin cabeza] (2008, Lucrecia Martel)
13. Silvia Prieto (1999, Martín Rejtman)
14. Invasion [Invasión] (1969, Hugo Santiago)
15. The Hand in the Trap [La mano en la trampa] (1961, Leopoldo Torre Nilsson)

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Mario Gaborović · #22

Ivan0716 wrote: ↑May 17th, 2023, 7:29 pm When did Rosaura a las 10 become a Mafia film?

Join the World Cup, submit your darlings and those films would likely grab a chance to become mafia films, too.

iCheckMovies · #23

Haha, exactly, the world cup has magical abilities. Wish I had discovered it years ago.

Mysterious Dude · #24

Angel Glez · #25

Unranked:
Viento norte (1937)
Historia de una noche (1941)
Los martes orquídeas (1941)
La guerra gaucha (1942)
Pampa bárbara (1945)
Dios se lo pague (1948)
Los isleros (1951)
Las aguas bajan turbias (1952)
Más allá del olvido (1956)
Rosaura a las 10 (1958)
El rufián (1961)
Boquitas pintadas (1974)
La Patagonia rebelde (1974)
Tiempo de revancha (1981)
Esperando la carroza (1985)
Un lugar en el mundo (1992)
Nueve reinas (2000)
Diarios de motocicleta (2004)
Tiempo de valientes (2005)
Las acacias (2011)

URLs

Angel Glez · #26

sortile9io wrote: ↑May 6th, 2023, 9:51 am This is a good occasion anyway to recommend for that purpose Top 100 from Argentina 1933-1999 over the already official Argentina-related ICM lists.

As an old-fashioned cinephile I prefer that one to the new ranking. Taking into account my top 20: 15/16 make the first list but only 11/20 make the second one.

pitchorneirda · #27

1. El perro que no calla (Ana Katz)
2. Historias extraordinarias (Mariano Llinas)
3. La libertad (Lisandro Alonso)
4. Zama (Lucrecia Martel)
5. Relatos salvajes (Damián Szifron)

I'm "proud" of my #1 only...maybe I should skip this, I'm not sure yet

Edit: OK let's do this...

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13648184/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1225831/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0291310/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3409848/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3011894/

sortile9io · #28

Angel Glez wrote: ↑May 21st, 2023, 8:04 pm
sortile9io wrote: ↑May 6th, 2023, 9:51 am This is a good occasion anyway to recommend for that purpose Top 100 from Argentina 1933-1999 over the already official Argentina-related ICM lists.
As an old-fashioned cinephile I prefer that one to the new ranking. Taking into account my top 20: 15/16 make the first list but only 11/20 make the second one.

Pretty much the same for me: 14/15 vs 12/20. Personal preferences aside, my impression is —correct me if I'm wrong— that, in many regards, the cinema of Argentina has stayed more or less at a similar level along the time, unlike other countries where some past (or recent) decades are clearly superior to the rest.

Angel Glez · #29

sortile9io wrote: ↑May 22nd, 2023, 8:44 am
Angel Glez wrote: ↑May 21st, 2023, 8:04 pm
sortile9io wrote: ↑May 6th, 2023, 9:51 am This is a good occasion anyway to recommend for that purpose Top 100 from Argentina 1933-1999 over the already official Argentina-related ICM lists.
As an old-fashioned cinephile I prefer that one to the new ranking. Taking into account my top 20: 15/16 make the first list but only 11/20 make the second one.
Pretty much the same for me: 14/15 vs 12/20. Personal preferences aside, my impression is —correct me if I'm wrong— that, in many regards, the cinema of Argentina has stayed more or less at a similar level along the time, unlike other countries where some past (or recent) decades are clearly superior to the rest.

Except in certain periods due (mostly) to political reasons. However it is one of the largest film industries in the world without a proper film archive.

Melvelet · #30

1. La Ciénaga [The Swamp]
2. Hombre mirando al sudeste [Man Facing Southeast]
3. Crónica de un niño solo [Chronicle of a Boy Alone]
4. La mujer sin cabeza [The Headless Woman]
5. La niña santa [The Holy Girl]
6. La casa del ángel [End of Innocence]
7. La antena [The Aerial]
8. Medianeras [Sidewalls]
9. La libertad [Freedom]
10. Los muertos [Los Muertos]
11. Liverpool
12. El lado oscuro del corazón [The Dark Side of the Heart]
13. El romance del Aniceto y la Francisca
14. Las acacias
15. El empleo
16. Tire dié [Toss Me a Dime]
17. Medical History

Spoiler

joachimt · #31

UNRANKED

Some co-productions are probably not eligible. Just remove them. No replacements, because I couldn't even find 20 movies to votes for.

Diarios de motocicleta
El abrazo de la serpiente
El secreto de sus ojos
Histórias que Só Existem Quando Lembradas
Hombre mirando al sudeste
La antena
La historia oficial
La hora de los hornos: Notas y testimonios sobre el neocolonialismo, la violencia y la liberación
Medianeras
Nueve reinas
Relatos salvajes
XXY

plain urls

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0318462/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4285496/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1305806/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2043879/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091214/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0454065/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089276/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063084/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1235841/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0247586/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3011894/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0995829/

sol · #32

Ranked list:

1. La Antena / The Aerial (2007) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0454065/
2. Hombre mirando al sudeste / Man Facing Southeast (1986) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091214/
3. Tiempo de revancha / Time for Revenge (1981) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083203/
4. Relatos salvajes / Wild Tales (2014) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3011894/
5. Juana a los 12 (2014) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3645108/
6. El Aura / The Aura (2005) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0420509/
7. Mamá, mamá, mamá (2020) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11657892/
8. Wakolda / The German Doctor (2013) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1847746/
9. Nueve reinas / Nine Queens (2000) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0247586/
10. Rosaura a las 10 / Rosaura at 10 O'Clock (1958) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0121703/
11. El Perro / Bombón (2004) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0420548/
12. XXY (2007) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0995829/
13. Lava (2019) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10923940/
14. La dosis / The Dose (2020) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9690184/
15. Naked Tango (1990) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100222/
16. Tango Bar (1987) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096221/
17. Armiño negro / Black Ermine (1953) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0184223/
18. Errante corazón / Wandering Heart (2021) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9471828/
19. Rehén de ilusiones / Hostage of an Illusion (2012) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1815893/
20. Eversmile New Jersey (1989) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097302/

Reserves:

21. Argentina 1985 (2022) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15301048/
22. La funeraria / The Funeral Home (2020) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt12844834/
23. La Sombra Del Gato / Shadow of the Cat (2021) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10616760/
24. The Secret in their Eyes (2009) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1305806/

Bare URLs

zzzorf · #33

sol wrote: ↑May 25th, 2023, 12:22 pm
5. Juana a los 12 (2014) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3645108/

Honestly sometimes this place, and you in particular sol, amaze me. I understand I have unique tastes and a lot of the movies I bring to the various challenges thinking they are good don't get very good reactions yet all of a sudden I will find you (in most cases, though there are a few others, flavo5000 and filmbantha are two others that do tend to like things that I do in some ways) just seem to love something that I thought is just me. I didn't even think anyone would have this on their radar let alone have watched it.

sol · #34

zzzorf wrote: ↑May 25th, 2023, 12:57 pm
sol wrote: ↑May 25th, 2023, 12:22 pm
5. Juana a los 12 (2014) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3645108/
Honestly sometimes this place, and you in particular sol, amaze me. I understand I have unique tastes and a lot of the movies I bring to the various challenges thinking they are good don't get very good reactions yet all of a sudden I will find you (in most cases, though there are a few others, flavo5000 and filmbantha are two others that do tend to like things that I do in some ways) just seem to love something that I thought is just me. I didn't even think anyone would have this on their radar let alone have watched it.

It seems that I watched that one for the 2021 Argentina/Brazil Challenge. I can't remember how exactly it came to be on my radar, but I suspect that it was streaming on Mubi at the time.

zzzorf · #35

sol wrote: ↑May 25th, 2023, 3:34 pm
zzzorf wrote: ↑May 25th, 2023, 12:57 pm
sol wrote: ↑May 25th, 2023, 12:22 pm
5. Juana a los 12 (2014) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3645108/
Honestly sometimes this place, and you in particular sol, amaze me. I understand I have unique tastes and a lot of the movies I bring to the various challenges thinking they are good don't get very good reactions yet all of a sudden I will find you (in most cases, though there are a few others, flavo5000 and filmbantha are two others that do tend to like things that I do in some ways) just seem to love something that I thought is just me. I didn't even think anyone would have this on their radar let alone have watched it.
It seems that I watched that one for the 2021 Argentina/Brazil Challenge. I can't remember how exactly it came to be on my radar, but I suspect that it was streaming on Mubi at the time.

If you get a chance I recommend La Tutora (2016) I think it will work well for you but I figure with DtC it would be a future watch too late for inclusion here.

Leopardi · #36

1. Diarios de motocicleta [The Motorcycle Diaries] (Walter Salles, 2004)
2. Relatos salvajes [Wild Tales] (Damián Szifron, 2014)
3. Bolivia (Israel Adrián Caetano, 1999)
4. El patrón, radiografía de un crimen [The Boss, Anatomy of a Crime] (Sebastián Schindel, 2014)
5. El ciudadano ilustre [The Distinguished Citizen] (Mariano Cohn & Gastón Duprat, 2016)
6. El secreto de sus ojos [The Secret in Their Eyes] (Juan José Campanella, 2009)
7. Crónica de un niño solo [Chronicle of a Boy Alone] (Leonardo Favio, 1965)
8. Tire dié [Toss Me a Dime] (Fernando Birri, 1958)
9. Nueve reinas [Nine Queens] (Fabián Bielinsky, 2000)
10. Los tallos amargos [The Bitter Stems] (Fernando Ayala, 1956)
11. Música en espera [Music on Hold] (Hernán Goldfrid, 2009)
12. Un año sin amor [A Year Without Love] (Anahí Berneri, 1980)
13. La mujer sin cabeza [The Headless Woman] (Lucrecia Martel, 2008)
14. Refugiado [Sheltered] (Diego Lerman, 2014)
15. Boda secreta [Secret Wedding] (Alejandro Agresti, 1989)
16. La balandra Isabel llegó esta tarde [The Yacht Isabel Arrived This Afternoon] (Carlos Hugo Christensen, 1950)
17. El vampiro negro [The Black Vampire] (Román Viñoly Barreto, 1953)
18. Metropolis refundada [Metropolis Refound] (Evangelina Loguercio, Diego Panich & Laura Tusi, 2000)
19. Camila (María Luisa Bemberg, 1984)
20. Rojo (Benjamín Naishtat, 2018)

urls

extras

1. Últimas imágenes del naufragio [Last Images of the Shipwreck] (Eliseo Subiela, 1989)
2. XXY (Lucía Puenzo, 2007)
3. La mano en la trampa [The Hand in the Trap] (Leopoldo Torre Nilsson, 1961)
4. El exilio de Gardel: Tangos [Tangos, the Exile of Gardel] (Fernando E. Solanas, 1985)
5. Cama adentro [Live-In Maid] (Jorge Gaggero, 2004)

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0995829/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055138/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090125/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098732/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0356453/

sol · #37

zzzorf wrote: ↑May 25th, 2023, 9:54 pm If you get a chance I recommend La Tutora (2016) I think it will work well for you but I figure with DtC it would be a future watch too late for inclusion here.

Yeah, I don't plan to watch anything in the final few days of May that isn't eligible for one of the three Challenges. Maybe remind me next time an eligible challenge comes along.

Fergenaprido · #38

sol wrote: ↑May 26th, 2023, 9:47 am
zzzorf wrote: ↑May 25th, 2023, 9:54 pm If you get a chance I recommend La Tutora (2016) I think it will work well for you but I figure with DtC it would be a future watch too late for inclusion here.
Yeah, I don't plan to watch anything in the final few days of May that isn't eligible for one of the three Challenges. Maybe remind me next time an eligible challenge comes along.

Given that you live at the beginning of the day, you could probably watch it in June and still have time to edit your ballot before I get around to calculating the lists on the 1st in my time zone.

Do note, for everyone, that since I'm hosting the Queer challenge this year and I usually go all in for that, I'll be calculating the results rather quickly after the deadline (within 12 hours) so that I can switch focus right away, which means don't expect any extensions (unless I screw something up in the calculations

).

peeptoad · #39

1. Diarios de motocicleta (2004)
2. Hombre mirando al sudeste (1987)
3. Nazareno Cruz y el lobo (1975)
4. La antena (2007)
5. La libertad (2019)

6. Invasión (1969)
7. Tire dié 1958)
8. Argentina, 1985 (2022)
9. Plaga zombie: Zona mutante (2001)
10. Habeas Corpus (1988)

11. La Cienega (2001)
12. El secreto de sus ojos (2009)
13. L'homme sans tête (2003)
14. Relámpago en la Oscuridad (2014)
15. Sonno profondo (2013)

16. Infierno Grande (2019)
17. La mujer sin cabeza (2008)

Argentina

AB537 · #40

Argentina is a country where I have a limited but very good sample. Probably the strongest top 5 I'd submit for any country with only 16 films on IMDB (including co productions).

1. Relatos salvajes - Wild Tales (Damian Szifron, 2014)
2. El secreto de sus ojos - The Secret in Their Eyes (Juan Jose Campanella, 2009)
3. Argentina, 1985 (Santiago Mitre, 2022)
4. El ciudadano ilustre - The Distinguished Citizen (Cohn/Duprat, 2016)
5. Los tallos amargos - The Bitter Stems (Fernando Ayala, 1956)
6. Silvia Prieto (Martin Rejtman, 1999)

Spoiler

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3011894
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1305806
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15301048
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4562518
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0143920
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0194378

Three other films with Argentina tags on IMDB would appear on my ballot if eligible: Elite Squad (Jose Padilha, 2007), Embrace of the Serpent (Ciro Guerra, 2015) and Monos (Alejandro Landes, 2019). However, I'm assuming all three will appear in other country polls.