ICM Forum's Favorite Sequels: Results

[prodigalgodson]

All of this being said, even when I disagree with hosts' rulings re eligibility (e.g. Avengers from 2012), I recognize both that there's an element of subjectivity to these decisions and I'm also not the one doing the work.

True indeed

[Lonewolf2003]

What kind of surprised me is that none of the Fas&Furious movies made it. I know they aren't the most acclaimed movies, but looking at the kind of movies making this list I thought some had enough support to make this list. Highest is The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift at #239.

Also suprised me that Ocean's Twelve is above Thirteen. Thought the consesus was that Twelve was a big step down from 11, and 13 a return to form again.

[Lonewolf2003]

Isn't a film "released in three separate parts" then a trilogy of films?

From the first reference in the Wikipedia section you cited: https://www.criterion.com/current/posts ... e-prisoner
"Though The Human Condition was made and released as three separate films, it makes sense to treat it as a single work, since it forms a conceptual and narrative unity."

Oh, interesting to see it described as made as 3 separate films by Criterion; I had so clearly remembered it was shot as one film and edited into and released as multiple, a la LOTR. Looking into it now it's hard to find information on its production one way or the other.

Even considering it as a trilogy though, I don't feel like its second and third components are sequels. It's still a continuous production and a single project conceptually rather than a case of a discrete film followed up down the line by a separate project that continues the story. My personal standards, but if anyone else is thinking along the same lines it may explain why it didn't place higher.

I agree the Human Condition don't fit the pure definition of sequels, they to me still are sequel and voted for it. But in the balancing between how much I love them and how much is this a sequel I placed them lower on my personal list than if I had just filtered my all time favorite on sequels. And if more people did that or didn't vote for them at all cause they don't see them as sequel that explains indeed why they didn't place higher.

[Silga]

What kind of surprised me is that none of the Fas&Furious movies made it. I know they aren't the most acclaimed movies, but looking at the kind of movies making this list I thought some had enough support to make this list. Highest is The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift at #239.

Also suprised me that Ocean's Twelve is above Thirteen. Thought the consesus was that Twelve was a big step down from 11, and 13 a return to form again.

To me Fast Five is miles above every other Fast & Furious movie.

I actually prefer Ocean's Twelve. I know that the cast also enjoyed Twelve the most. It's just a lot fun.

[matthewscott8]

Movies in a franchise series; Is Goldeye really a sequel to Dr. No?

Let the bashing begin!

ImO the bond-movies are kind of sequels up to Brosman. For example 'From Russia with Love' starts with a vacation with one of the bond-grls from 'Dr No'. Or in 'Spy who loved me' Bond says that he don't want to talk about his dead wife. And they had this "cliffhanger" at the end credits "James Bond will return in xxxx".

The films with Craig always felt like a reboot for me. For example Felix Leiter "returns", after he got killed in 'License to kill'.

I don't know if anyone has commented on this as am playing catchup and it's a long thread, however I am pretty sure Felix Leiter does not die in "License to Kill". I googled this to make certain, and what I'm told from my searches is that in the books and the films the worse that ever happens to him is getting mauled by a shark and suffering severe though not life ending medical issues from that.

As far as I recollect all the Bond movies say James Bond will return, but there are so many to check that I've put feelers out to find out for certain.

[matthewscott8]

Torgo, you provide good comments on the results, but why didn't you vote in this poll yourself?

Thanks for your question, Silga. It seems mysterious, indeed.
I guess the golden rule of the (of any) Forum is to have someone uninvolved criticizing the work/participation of others, because that's a whole lot easier than contributing yourself.

Maybe the task of collecting and comparing sequels looked so erratic to me. It means also a little more investment than just doing "released in 2001", since I won't have that ready on IMDb.
Passively watching how a poll turns out is always fun though, even when remaining completely silent. (I speak for our readers who didn't comment so far and still follow the countdown or join after the last post.)

I am in the same boat of having found the exercise a bit confusing: all art is some form of sequel (is Alien a sequel of Them!); is a prequel in some sense a sequel; are long movies split into parts for release really sequels; does a complete preplanned work (Marseilles trilogy) comprise an initial film and sequels or is it really one work; were we commenting on the films in and or their own right or their relationship to predecessors. I can't really arrive at a way of disentangling all these questions into a framework. But now users who felt more confident than I, have established a convention, I am likely to participate in this poll's sequel.

[tommy_leazaq]

Thanks for hosting and putting out the comprehensve stats, Lonewolf.
but,

Spoiler

None of the Hababam Sinifi sequels made it. So, list invalidated!

[matthewscott8]

I got some in depth info about James Bond credit sequence links.

Apparently both The Spy Who Loved Me AND Moonraker say that James Bond will return in For Your Eyes only. They moved Moonraker into production out of schedule due to sci fi movies gaining popularity at the time.

Thunderball has no statement about James Bond will return, it was there originally, but then they decided not to go ahead with OHMSS, and it was rather clumsily removed at a late stage, you can see a goofy wipe if you watch the end of Thunderball.

Dr No has no James Bond will return statement.

Octopussy has the wrong title, it says he will return in "From A View To A Kill".

The statements go to James Bond Will Return without mentioning a title, once they ran out of Fleming novels.