Official lists updates

[PeacefulAnarchy]

Yes, on the one hand the data is still there, so it's very much fixable, but until it's fixed it is very ripe for exploiting.

[AdamH]

Yes, on the one hand the data is still there, so it's very much fixable, but until it's fixed it is very ripe for exploiting.

Would fixing the bug itself reverse all the issues it has caused e.g. would fixing the bug bring Premier Prix back up to 9 checks or would the bug have to be fixed and then the affected shorts have to be manually fixed? The latter seems impossible unless there's a way of seeing every film affected as, presumably, it could be a huge amount if the bug has been in place for years.

[AdamH]

I did a quick look at the least-checked pre 1910s shorts and found four affected by the bug (including the two new shorts which would be off the list anyway as they only have 1 public favourite). There's tonnes with higher favourite counts than the favourites listed but I'm assuming that's just because of private favourites rather than being a bug.

[PeacefulAnarchy]

Yes, on the one hand the data is still there, so it's very much fixable, but until it's fixed it is very ripe for exploiting.

Would fixing the bug itself reverse all the issues it has caused e.g. would fixing the bug bring Premier Prix back up to 9 checks or would the bug have to be fixed and then the affected shorts have to be manually fixed? The latter seems impossible unless there's a way of seeing every film affected as, presumably, it could be a huge amount if the bug has been in place for years.

I can't say for sure since I don't know what the code is like but my guess would be: Fixing the bug itself would not reverse the affected films unless fixing meant completely rewriting the way the data is stored and updated, however they would not need to be fixed a manually. Once fixed, a script could be run to recount the favs/dislikes/checks etc which would correct all the errors.

I know marijin has run a similar script for comment counts and I think check counts at least once.

[Tim2460]

This kiinda could be used to manipulate those lists

Don't tempt me too much

[Tim2460]

Yes, on the one hand the data is still there, so it's very much fixable, but until it's fixed it is very ripe for exploiting.

Would fixing the bug itself reverse all the issues it has caused e.g. would fixing the bug bring Premier Prix back up to 9 checks or would the bug have to be fixed and then the affected shorts have to be manually fixed? The latter seems impossible unless there's a way of seeing every film affected as, presumably, it could be a huge amount if the bug has been in place for years.

I can't say for sure since I don't know what the code is like but my guess would be: Fixing the bug itself would not reverse the affected films unless fixing meant completely rewriting the way the data is stored and updated, however they would not need to be fixed a manually. Once fixed, a script could be run to recount the favs/dislikes/checks etc which would correct all the errors.

I know marijin has run a similar script for comment counts and I think check counts at least once.

That's the normal way of fixing our banking incident :
- Diagnose
- Correct the bug
- Correct the stock
- Enjoy the sucess

I don't work as well in other order

[PeacefulAnarchy]

The dislike bug should be fixed. Counts are still off, should be fixed next week.

[AdamH]

The dislike bug should be fixed. Counts are still off, should be fixed next week.

Wow, that's incredibly quick. Thank you so much for this! Also, a huge thank you to Marijn (I assume he did most/all of the work?). Looking forward to seeing what changes it brings!

Edit: I checked and the bug has definitely been fixed.

[AdamH]

The dislike bug should be fixed. Counts are still off, should be fixed next week.

I think the counts have already been fixed? Premier Prix is back to 9. Tossing is back to 3.

[PeacefulAnarchy]

The dislike bug should be fixed. Counts are still off, should be fixed next week.

Wow, that's incredibly quick. Thank you so much for this! Also, a huge thank you to Marijn (I assume he did most/all of the work?). Looking forward to seeing what changes it brings!

Yeah I just explained the issue, Marijn did all the work.

[dirty_score]

The New Cult Canon: Mandy (2018)

[Knaldskalle]

New "out of band" Criterion announcement:

Pasolini 101 box set (Spine #1182)

1. Accattone (1961)
2. Mamma Roma (1962)
3. Love Meetings (1964)
4. The Gospel According to Matthew (1964)
5. The Hawks and the Sparrows (1966)
6. Oedipus Rex (1967)
7. Teorema (1968)
8. Porcile (1969)
9. Medea (1969)
Plus a bunch of extra stuff and 2 short films.

[Ebbywebby]

What does "out of band" mean?

[Torgo]

They have their usual announcements of a handful of titles exactly once per month, .. and then this.

[Torgo]

Pasolini 101 box set (Spine #1182)

I don't know if I'm more furious that this will push Accatone and Teorema to 10 and 9 official lists respectively, making them an obligation for me to see - while there were already under consideration for a watch, but now will have to wait for at least 3,5 months until these superior 2K/4K restorations are out;
or the imagination of having seen INFERIOR transfers of these and then learning of the restoration.

Anyway, I'm super angry and these are great news.

[Fergenaprido]

The New Cult Canon: Mandy (2018)

Updated, thanks.

New "out of band" Criterion announcement:

Pasolini 101 box set (Spine #1182)

1. Accattone (1961)
2. Mamma Roma (1962)
3. Love Meetings (1964)
4. The Gospel According to Matthew (1964)
5. The Hawks and the Sparrows (1966)
6. Oedipus Rex (1967)
7. Teorema (1968)
8. Porcile (1969)
9. Medea (1969)
Plus a bunch of extra stuff and 2 short films.

Added them, thanks. Mamma Roma & Teorema were already in the list. Nothing newly official.

[flavo5000]

New "out of band" Criterion announcement:

Pasolini 101 box set (Spine #1182)

1. Accattone (1961)
2. Mamma Roma (1962)
3. Love Meetings (1964)
4. The Gospel According to Matthew (1964)
5. The Hawks and the Sparrows (1966)
6. Oedipus Rex (1967)
7. Teorema (1968)
8. Porcile (1969)
9. Medea (1969)
Plus a bunch of extra stuff and 2 short films.

Huh...no Salo... Wonder if that's more a Pasolini grad school class

[WalterNeff]

New "out of band" Criterion announcement:

Pasolini 101 box set (Spine #1182)

Huh...no Salo... Wonder if that's more a Pasolini grad school class

more like de-grad-e school

[Ebbywebby]

New "out of band" Criterion announcement:

Pasolini 101 box set (Spine #1182)

1. Accattone (1961)
2. Mamma Roma (1962)
3. Love Meetings (1964)
4. The Gospel According to Matthew (1964)
5. The Hawks and the Sparrows (1966)
6. Oedipus Rex (1967)
7. Teorema (1968)
8. Porcile (1969)
9. Medea (1969)
Plus a bunch of extra stuff and 2 short films.

Huh...no Salo... Wonder if that's more a Pasolini grad school class

Well, at least they're giving us the thoroughly skippable "Love Meetings" instead.

[beasterne]

All Quiet on the Western Front just won best international feature and best cinematography.

And Navalny won best Documentary Feature.

Edit: shout out to the legend DreCosby who has the lists updated already.

[Torgo]

Edit: shout out to the legend DreCosby who has the lists updated already.

The man - the myth - the legend

[Fergenaprido]

I'll bring the proposal of changing imdb thresholds up with the other mods again in the new year. Right now I'm hyper focused on getting the new lists adopted before the year's out.

All Quiet on the Mods Front ?

I've put it to a vote.

The result of the vote is that the imdb thresholds will not be changed at this time.

[Torgo]

[sound of disappointment]

[Lakigigar]

Before changing IMDb threshold, i think letterboxd 250 makes more sence to be made official, before giving even more weight to IMDb. LBOXD has a bigger userbase than IMDb.

[Fergenaprido]

Before changing IMDb threshold, i think letterboxd 250 makes more sence to be made official, before giving even more weight to IMDb. LBOXD has a bigger userbase than IMDb.

Two separate topics; tinkering with check and vote thresholds on existing IMDb lists has nothing to do with the question of whether or not to adopt the LB Top 250.

Please don't conflate the two, as it only sows more confusion and invites discord.

[Lakigigar]

Before changing IMDb threshold, i think letterboxd 250 makes more sence to be made official, before giving even more weight to IMDb. LBOXD has a bigger userbase than IMDb.

Two separate topics; tinkering with check and vote thresholds on existing IMDb lists has nothing to do with the question of whether or not to adopt the LB Top 250.

Please don't conflate the two, as it only sows more confusion and invites discord.

I thought we were talking about expanding IMDb lists (from 50 to 100), but I indeed remember something being discussed about the vote threshold being changed, in that discussion i abstain. Sorry for the confusion, forgot what I said, i misunderstood what "threshold" stood for here.

[dirty_score]

All Quiet on the Mods Front ?

I've put it to a vote.

The result of the vote is that the imdb thresholds will not be changed at this time.

Guess we have to do it the hard way then

[kongs_speech]

Nothing about Letterboxd merits official ICM status. We don't need any more meaningless crowd-sourced BS.

[Panunzio]

Nothing about Letterboxd merits official ICM status. We don't need any more meaningless crowd-sourced BS.

Hard disagree. It's a prominent film community, and has a big role in shaping viewing habits and tastes.

[Torgo]

Well one list of the biggest active, and very active film community won't hurt, also, never miss the chance to highlight their own ridiculous mafia bullshit after all we had to endure with IMDb

[Tasselfoot]

Well one list of the biggest active, and very active film community won't hurt, also, never miss the chance to highlight their own ridiculous mafia bullshit after all we had to endure with IMDb

You mean you haven't seen the Brazilian classic A Dog's Will? It's a lot better than the Turkish and Indian mafia films... I watched the mini-series version of it a few years ago, since it's on 2 lists (including IMDb Mini Series).

[Torgo]

Oh I watched it, and I think it's not quite the third-best film of all time. Sandwiched by Come and See, Seppuku and The Godfather

[Brad]

The latest squeecore releases always debut high on that list and take months to fall off because a significant portion of the userbase treats letterboxd like fandom tumblr. Puss in Boots and Marcel the Shell are both on there right now.

[Torgo]

The latest squeecore releases (...) Puss in Boots and Marcel the Shell are both on there right now.

I feel attacked because I am in this post

(Just kidding, I don't mind)

[kongs_speech]

The latest squeecore releases always debut high on that list and take months to fall off because a significant portion of the userbase treats letterboxd like fandom tumblr. Puss in Boots and Marcel the Shell are both on there right now.

I mean, they're not the greatest movies of all time by a long stretch, but I don't see why we have to shit on movies for being nice and wholesome.

[Torgo]

but I don't see why we have to shit on movies for being nice and wholesome.

Hey, I remember you and other folks taking an intense dump on CODA ..

I like my dose of nice every so often.

[xianjiro]

Yah, Marcel was a nice, safe, interesting watch. Certainly a better product dollar-for-dollar than say something like Wakanda Forever or what was that DCEU thing I saw. Forgettable it was. So forgettable, I have to look it up. Oh, right, Black Adam. It, nor Wakanda Forever, didn't suck skunk butt by a long shot, but great filmmaking? I think not. Black Adam may have come before MCU, but since MCU is hitting the theatres first, DCEU just feels derivative at best if not an outright rip off even though I know it wasn't. So yeah, I'll take Marcel any time and it didn't take 160 minutes either.

Haven't seen Puss in Boots 2 yet but I'll be honestly very surprised if I like it better than anything else I've mentioned in this post.

Anyway, not sure what's our point. If it was Letterboxd lists either rock or suck, if that were the only choice, I'd say rock. At least they are getting regular updates unlike some of our other historic website lists. But even with those, who cares -- complete them or not, user choice. I think I completed them some years ago. Next!

I appear to have only favorited or added one Letterboxd list to my spreadsheet for unofficial lists, but then I haven't really thought about it all that much. But yes, I'm actively working their 2020 decade list. I've probably already identified around 100 lists I want to work on more before I actively try to find new lists to work, but if the mods decide to add a Letterboxd list, that's fine. Certainly can't be worse than some third tier country's country list.

Not sure what other websites are collecting user data and publishing a list though I know there are other options. About the only thing I'd like better access to is a list of titles released in the last year or two that haven't quite made it to the best of decade or top of century lists yet. And lest someone snarks the TSPDT's 21st Century list at me again, keep in mind I've already seen 951 titles from it, ~25 titles of which were released in 2021. Not bad, but I'd probably like to see the top 100 from each year.

[Fergenaprido]

Not sure what other websites are collecting user data and publishing a list though I know there are other options. About the only thing I'd like better access to is a list of titles released in the last year or two that haven't quite made it to the best of decade or top of century lists yet. And lest someone snarks the TSPDT's 21st Century list at me again, keep in mind I've already seen 951 titles from it, ~25 titles of which were released in 2021. Not bad, but I'd probably like to see the top 100 from each year.

Letterboxd's "Official" Yearly lists for 2021 and 2022 are probably your best bet, then. 2023 won't be up for another month or so, likely.

[xianjiro]

Not sure what other websites are collecting user data and publishing a list though I know there are other options. About the only thing I'd like better access to is a list of titles released in the last year or two that haven't quite made it to the best of decade or top of century lists yet. And lest someone snarks the TSPDT's 21st Century list at me again, keep in mind I've already seen 951 titles from it, ~25 titles of which were released in 2021. Not bad, but I'd probably like to see the top 100 from each year.

Letterboxd's "Official" Yearly lists for 2021 and 2022 are probably your best bet, then. 2023 won't be up for another month or so, likely.

Cool. Thanks! Not being on their website, I didn't know they had yearlies. Don't see them on iCM (yet) though. And alas, I'm not able to scare them up using their search tool. Using Google, I came up with https://letterboxd.com/crew/list/2021-h ... ted-films/ . Is that what you were thinking of? And joy, I just figured out how to get text to display, so it would actually be usable though I'm thinking maybe a pain to update an iCM list.

Does anyone have any shortcuts for either downloading Letterboxd lists or converting their ID numbers to IMDb (without either having to access each movie's page or cutting and pasting titles to IMDb or iCM for searching)? Or are these 'year in review' lists locked in, never changing, retrospectives? Sorry, just trying to understand what I'm dealing with and I'm not eager to create another account to explore until I think it's worth the effort.

[Fergenaprido]

Not sure what other websites are collecting user data and publishing a list though I know there are other options. About the only thing I'd like better access to is a list of titles released in the last year or two that haven't quite made it to the best of decade or top of century lists yet. And lest someone snarks the TSPDT's 21st Century list at me again, keep in mind I've already seen 951 titles from it, ~25 titles of which were released in 2021. Not bad, but I'd probably like to see the top 100 from each year.

Letterboxd's "Official" Yearly lists for 2021 and 2022 are probably your best bet, then. 2023 won't be up for another month or so, likely.

Cool. Thanks! Not being on their website, I didn't know they had yearlies. Don't see them on iCM (yet) though. And alas, I'm not able to scare them up using their search tool. Using Google, I came up with https://letterboxd.com/crew/list/2021-h ... ted-films/ . Is that what you were thinking of? And joy, I just figured out how to get text to display, so it would actually be usable though I'm thinking maybe a pain to update an iCM list.

Does anyone have any shortcuts for either downloading Letterboxd lists or converting their ID numbers to IMDb (without either having to access each movie's page or cutting and pasting titles to IMDb or iCM for searching)? Or are these 'year in review' lists locked in, never changing, retrospectives? Sorry, just trying to understand what I'm dealing with and I'm not eager to create another account to explore until I think it's worth the effort.

They're updated weekly for one year, then left as a snapshot of the ratings at that time. He usually stops a week or two after the Oscars, so the 2022 list will likely get a final update next Monday.

I don't think they're on icm, I follow them on LB so I get updates in my email every week.

https://letterboxd.com/jack/list/letter ... 0-of-2020/
https://letterboxd.com/jack/list/letter ... 0-of-2021/
https://letterboxd.com/jack/list/letter ... ed-weekly/

They're all done by the same guy, and he has them back until 2016.