Country Poll: Sweden [Deadline: January 31, 2023]

lineuphere · #41

Ferg,
Lightning Over Water. Sweden or Germany?

Fergenaprido · #42

lineuphere wrote: ↑January 11th, 2023, 11:52 pm Ferg,
Lightning Over Water. Sweden or Germany?

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0081055/ right?

I'm gonna say German on this co-production.

lineuphere · #43

Fergenaprido wrote: ↑January 11th, 2023, 11:55 pm
lineuphere wrote: ↑January 11th, 2023, 11:52 pm Ferg,
Lightning Over Water. Sweden or Germany?
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0081055/ right?

I'm gonna say German on this co-production.

gromit82 · #44

For those who have voted for Höstsonaten / Autumn Sonata (1978), please note that this was classified as a German film in the Germany poll and placed 55th there.

viewtopic.php?t=5895&start=40#p764303

Fergenaprido · #45

gromit82 wrote: ↑January 12th, 2023, 6:16 am For those who have voted for Höstsonaten / Autumn Sonata (1978), please note that this was classified as a German film in the Germany poll and placed 55th there.

viewtopic.php?t=5895&start=40#p764303

Surprised I forgot to include it in the second post.

Thanks

Mysterious Dude · #46

sol · #47

Out of curiosity, how you are treating Fanny and Alexander and Scenes for a Marriage?

Will votes from both the film's tt numbers be combined together, or will they be listed separately? I would personally prefer for miniseries and film votes to be combined into single entries, but I guess it would also be kinda fun to have both of the titles pop up twice in the results.

insomnius · #48

This was rather difficult to narrow down.

UNRANKED

Gunnar Hedes saga / The Blizzard (Mauritz Stiller, 1923)
Ordet / The Word (Gustaf Molander, 1943)
...och efter skymning kommer mörker (Rune Hagberg, 1947)
Ansikten i skugga / Stories in the Shadows (Peter Weiss, 1956)
Smultronstället / Wild Strawberries (Ingmar Bergman, 1957)
Fröken April / Miss April (Göran Gentele, 1958)
Calle P. (Robert Brandt, 1965)
Jag (Peter Kylberg, 1966)
Elvira Madigan (Bo Widerberg, 1967)
Misshandlingen / Assault and Battery (Lars Lennart Forsberg, 1969)
Thriller - en grym film (Bo Arne Vibenius, 1974)
Bang! (Jan Troell, 1977)
Ett anständigt liv / A Decent Life (Stefan Jarl, 1979)
Landskap (Claes Söderquist, 1987)
Light Years (Gunvor Nelson, 1987)
Gubben i stugan (Nina Hedenius, 1995)
Barnen från Jordbro / The Children from Jordbro (Rainer Hartleb, 1972-75/1996)
Mannen från Podalida (Eric M. Nilsson, 1998)
Tiden är en dröm (Jan Lindqvist, 1999)
Hästmannen / The Horseman (Peter Gerdehag, Tell Aulin, 2006)

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Lonewolf2003 · #49

My list of Bergmans

, with a few from Moodysson plus Sjöström thrown in. And surprisingly a different director at the top.

1. Herr Arnes pengar [Sir Arne's Treasure] (1919): 9.5
2. Smultronstället [Wild Strawberries] (1957): 9.2
3. Jungfrukällan [The Virgin Spring] (1960): 9.2
4. Tillsammans [Together] (2000): 9.0
5. Lilya 4-Ever (2002): 9.0
6. Scener ur ett äktenskap [Scenes from a Marriage] (1973) (Mini-series version): 8.8
7. Offret [The Sacrifice] (1986): 8.8
8. Fucking Åmål [Show Me Love] (1998): 8.5
9. Fanny och Alexander (1983) (Mini-series version): 8.5
10. Det sjunde inseglet [The Seventh Seal] (1957): 8.5

11. Skammen [Shame] (1968): 8.5
12. Persona (1966): 8.5
13. Körkarlen [The Phantom Carriage] (1921): 8.5
14. Såsom i en spegel [Through a Glass Darkly] (1961): 8.5
15. Så som i himmelen [ As It Is in Heaven] (2004): 8.5
16. Ansiktet [The Magician] (1958): 8.2
17. En Kärlekshistoria [A Swedish Love Story] (1970): 8.2
18. Nattvardsgästerna [Winter Light] (1963): 8.2
19. Terje Vigen [A Man There Was] (1917): 8.2
20. Sommaren med Monika [Summer with Monika] (1953): 8.0

Reserves in order in case of ineligibility:
Tystnaden [The Silence] (1963): 8.0
Searching for Sugar Man (2012): 8.0
Låt den rätte komma in [Let the Right One In] (2008): 8.0
Mitt liv som hund [My Life as a Dog] (1985): 8.0
Vargtimmen [Hour of the Wolf] (1968): 8.0
The Square (2017): 8.0

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Fergenaprido · #50

sol wrote: ↑January 18th, 2023, 10:31 am Out of curiosity, how you are treating Fanny and Alexander and Scenes for a Marriage?

Will votes from both the film's tt numbers be combined together, or will they be listed separately? I would personally prefer for miniseries and film votes to be combined into single entries, but I guess it would also be kinda fun to have both of the titles pop up twice in the results.

I hadn't given it any thought. I'm inclined to keep them separate.

Mifune · #51

Eligiblity question for Aniara, one of my best discoveries of last year. Spoken language is Swedish, but it is a Danish-Swedish-American co-production.

Mifune · #52

01 - Smiles of a Summer Night (Ingmar Bergman, 1955)
02 - The Seventh Seal (Ingmar Bergman, 1957)
03 - The Phantom Carriage (Victor Sjöström, 1921)
04 - The Emigrants (Jan Troell, 1971)
05 - 491 (Vilgot Sjöman, 1964)
06 - The Silence (Ingmar Bergman, 1963)
07 - Lilja 4-ever (Lukas Moodysson, 2002)
08 - Aniara (Pella Kågerman, Hugo Lilja, 2018)
09 - Hour of the Wolf (Ingmar Bergman, 1968)
10 - Together (Lukas Moodysson, 2000)
11 - A Love Story (Roy Andersson, 1970)
12 - The Magician (Ingmar Bergman, 1958)
13 - Wild Strawberries (Ingmar Bergman, 1957)
14 - The New Land (Jan Troell, 1972)
15 - Evil (Mikael Håfström, 2003)
16 - My Life as a Dog (Lasse Hallström, 1985)
17 - Let the Right One In (Tomas Alfredson, 2008)
18 - Shame (Ingmar Bergman, 1968)
19 - Crisis (Ingmar Bergman, 1946)
20 - Häxan (Benjamin Christensen, 1922)

urls:

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Fergenaprido · #53

Mifune wrote: ↑January 21st, 2023, 9:57 am Eligiblity question for Aniara, one of my best discoveries of last year. Spoken language is Swedish, but it is a Danish-Swedish-American co-production.

Predominantly Swedish from what I can tell, so eligible for this poll.

pitchorneirda · #54

Unfortunately the Bergmans that I like are German (he doesn't need my help though). And the Gunvor Nelsons that I like are American.

1. Elvira Madigan (1967, Bo Widerberg)
2. Det speglar i mitt öga (1992, Nina Hedenius)
3. Offret (1986, Andrei Tarkovsky)
4. Sound of Noise (2010, Ola Simonsson & Johannes Stjärne Nilsson)
5. Kvarteret Korpen (1963, Bo Widerberg)
6. Du levande (2017, Roy Andersson)
7. Granny's Dancing on the Table (2015, Ami-Ro Sköld)
8. Hugo och Rosa (2002, Bengt Jägerskog)
9. Brutal (1980, Eric M. Nilsson)
10. Gräns (2018, Ali Abbasi)
11. Nattvardsgästerna (1963, Ingmar Bergman)
12. Passageraren (1966, Eric M. Nilsson)

IMDb

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061620/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13842418/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091670/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1278449/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057237/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0445336/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4314094/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387294/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7044898/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5501104/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057358/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2708484/

Angel Glez · #55

Unranked:
Mellan liv och död / 1917 / Georg af Klercker
Herr Arnes pengar / 1919 / Mauritz Stiller
Häxan / 1922 / Benjamin Christensen
Eld ombord / 1923 / Victor Sjöström
Man och kvinna / 1940 / Pál Fejös, Gunnar Skoglund
Ordet / 1943 / Gustaf Molander
Hets / 1944 / Alf Sjöberg
Driver dagg faller regn / 1946 / Gustaf Edgren
Flicka och hyacinter / 1950 / Hasse Ekman
Det stora äventyret / 1953 / Arne Sucksdorff
Sommarnattens leende / 1955 / Ingmar Bergman
Joe Hill / 1971 / Bo Widerberg
Utvandrarna / 1971 / Jan Troell
Den enfaldige mördaren / 1982 / Hans Alfredson
Under solen / 1998 / Colin Nutley
Tillsammans / 2000 / Lukas Moodysson
Låt den rätte komma in / 2008 / Tomas Alfredson
Män som hatar kvinnor / 2009 / Niels Arden Oplev
Hundraåringen som klev ut genom fönstret och försvann / 2013 / Felix Herngren
En man som heter Ove / 2015 / Hannes Holm

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rnilsson19 · #56

insomnius wrote: ↑January 18th, 2023, 12:36 pm ...och efter skymning kommer mörker (Rune Hagberg, 1947)

Is it possible to watch this one anywhere?

LeSchpountz · #57

insomnius · #58

rnilsson19 wrote: ↑January 23rd, 2023, 4:25 pm
insomnius wrote: ↑January 18th, 2023, 12:36 pm ...och efter skymning kommer mörker (Rune Hagberg, 1947)

Is it possible to watch this one anywhere?

I watched it at Cinemateket and haven't been able to find it elsewhere, alas.

Thanks for listing Gunnar Hede btw, which prompted me to rewatch it. What a difference a good restoration makes, like night and day from what I had seen before.

Fergenaprido · #59

LeSchpountz wrote: ↑January 23rd, 2023, 4:35 pm Det sjunde inseglet (1957)
Smultronstället (1957)
Körkarlen (1921)
Masculin féminin (1966, FRA, SWE)
Offret (1986)
Au hasard Balthazar (1966, FRA, SWE)
Fanny och Alexander (1982)
Jagten (2012)
Lilja 4-ever (2002)
A Cottage on Dartmoor (1929, UK, SWE)
Persona (1966)
Häxan (1922)
Herr Arnes pengar (1919)
Terje Vigen (1917)
Berg-Ejvind och hans hustru (1918)
Prästänkan (1920)
Mästerman (1920)
Klostret i Sendomir (1920)
Ordet (1943)
Ingeborg Holm (1913)
Fucking Åmål (1998)
Män som hatar kvinnor (2009)
Flickan som lekte med elden (2009)
Luftslottet som sprängdes (2009)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050976/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050986/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0012364/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060675/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091670/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060138/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083922/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2106476/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0300140/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0020793/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060827/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0013257/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0010247/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0008663/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0008879/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0011607/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0011499/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0011370/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0036239/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0003014/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0150662/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1132620/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1216487/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1343097/

Welcome to the forum and the project, LeSchpountz.

Is your list ranked or unranked?

I'll be taking a closer look at all the ballots later this week, but the two French films and one British film won't be eligible.

Mifune · #60

LeSchpountz, what a surprise, nice to see you here!

LeSchpountz · #61

Hello Mifune, glad to see you here. I follow, even if often unnoticed, your work at your side "Filmsucht".

Mifune wrote: ↑January 24th, 2023, 8:39 am LeSchpountz, what a surprise, nice to see you here!

LeSchpountz · #62

Thank you for your note Fergenaprido, I have made adjustments. In the three named cases I already thought so. But what about co-productions? Will the country first named on IMDb then be taken as the leading producer?

Welcome to the forum and the project, LeSchpountz.

Is your list ranked or unranked?

I'll be taking a closer look at all the ballots later this week, but the two French films and one British film won't be eligible.

Onderhond · #63

Can't participate, but here are my 3 favs:

01. Container by Lukas Moodysson
02. Metropia by Tarik Saleh
03. Songs from the Second Floor by Roy Andersson

3eyes · #64

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls562439226/

Need ruling on Hamsun
(Norwegian? Hamsun speaks Swedish and his wife speaks Danish)

Gordon_Gekko · #65

1. Det sjunde inseglet
2. Persona
3. Körkarlen
4. Nattvardsgästerna
5. Lilja 4-ever
6. Evil
7. Viskningar och rop
8. Jungfrukällan
9. Fucking Åmål
10. Tystnaden
11. Smultronstället
12. Män som hatar kvinnor
13. Skammen
14. Låt den rätte komma in
15. Scener ur ett äktenskap
16. Vargtimmen
17. Sommarnattens leende
18. Sånger från andra våningen
19. Såsom i en spegel
20. Ådalen 31

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sol · #66

Including a 21st pick in case Triangle of Sadness is deemed ineligible (if so, exclude it and move every other film up a spot).

1. Fanny and Alexander (1983)
2. Fanny and Alexander (1982)
3. Play
4. Persona
5. She Monkeys
6. The Silence
7. The Square
8. Cries and Whispers
9. Prison
10. LFO
11. Triangle of Sadness
12. The 100 Year-Old Man
13. The Devil's Eye
14. Ondskan
15. Offret
16. Corridor
17. Regretters
18. Ronja Rövardotter
19. Gladiatorerna
20. Man on the Roof

21. The Adventures of Picasso

URLs

Melvelet · #67

Ah neat, I have exactly 20 movies with at least 8/10, six with at least 9/10. Oh wait ...damn

1. Persona
2. Fanny och Alexander [Fanny and Alexander]
3. Smultronstället [Wild Strawberries]
4. Nattvardsgästerna [Winter Light]
5. Gycklarnas afton [Sawdust and Tinsel]
6. Viskningar och rop [Cries and Whispers]
7. Fucking Ċmċl [Show Me Love]
8. Tillsammans [Together]
9. Turist [Force Majeure]
10. The Square
11. Sċnger frċn andra vċningen [Songs from the Second Floor]
12. Tystnaden [The Silence]
13. Sċsom i en spegel [Through a Glass Darkly]
14. Vargtimmen [Hour of the Wolf]
15. Det sjunde inseglet [The Seventh Seal]
16. Skammen [Shame]
17. Fängelse [The Devil's Wanton]
18. Jungfrukällan [The Virgin Spring]
19. Sommaren med Monika [Summer with Monika]
20. Lċt den rätte komma in [Let the Right One In]

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rnilsson19 · #68

insomnius wrote: ↑January 23rd, 2023, 11:33 pm
rnilsson19 wrote: ↑January 23rd, 2023, 4:25 pm
insomnius wrote: ↑January 18th, 2023, 12:36 pm ...och efter skymning kommer mörker (Rune Hagberg, 1947)

Is it possible to watch this one anywhere?
I watched it at Cinemateket and haven't been able to find it elsewhere, alas.

Thanks for listing Gunnar Hede btw, which prompted me to rewatch it. What a difference a good restoration makes, like night and day from what I had seen before.

I seee, hopefully they'll screen it again sometime soon.

Yeah, definitely. That one I actually watched at Cinemateket, like a completely different film from the earlier version almost.

Fergenaprido · #69

sol wrote: ↑January 27th, 2023, 2:12 pm Including a 21st pick in case Triangle of Sadness is deemed ineligible (if so, exclude it and move every other film up a spot).

It's got international funding, but it's still a Swedish film as far as I'm concerned, so it's eligible.

monclivie · #70

I just

these country polls.. This one is not as difficult as Canada, but still, suddenly the movie titled Höstsonaten is German..

En Kärlekshistoria (1970)
Torsk på Tallinn - En liten film om ensamhet (1999)
The Seventh Seal (1957)
Scenes from a Marriage (1973)
Show Me Love (1998)
Fanny and Alexander (1982)
Wild Strawberries (1957)
Evil (2003)
The 100-Year-Old Man Who Climbed Out the Window and Disappeared (2013)
Let the Right One In (2008)
The Emigrants (1971)
Lilya 4-Ever (2002)
Searching for Sugar Man (2012)
Songs from the Second Floor (2000)
Winter Light (1963)
En man som heter Ove (2015)
Lucky People Center International (1998)
The Phantom Carriage (1921)
Through a Glass Darkly (1961)

urology

AB537 · #71

I'd hoped to watch a few extra films for this poll, but unfortunately ran out of time. As others have commented, it's hard to submit a Swedish list that isn't dominated by Bergman, despite the existence of other great films and directors.

1. Sommarnattens leende - Smiles of a Summer Night (Ingmar Bergman, 1955) ... who knew Bergman had a very funny sex comedy in him?
2. Låt den rätte komma in - Let the Right One In (Tomas Alfredson, 2008) ... a very rare non-English language film that also has a quality American remake
3. Det sjunde inseglet - The Seventh Seal (Ingmar Bergman, 1957)
4. Holy Spider (Ali Abbasi, 2022)
5. Turist - Force Majeure (Ruben Östlund, 2014)
6. Persona (Ingmar Bergman, 1966)
7. Fanny och Alexander - Fanny and Alexander (Ingmar Bergman, 1982) ... need to watch the miniseries version at some point
8. The Square (Ruben Östlund, 2017)
9. Sånger från andra våningen - Songs from the Second Floor (Roy Andersson, 2000) ... landed much better for me than his later films with similar style
10. Triangle of Sadness (Ruben Östlund, 2022)
11. Smultronstället - Wild Strawberries (Ingmar Bergman, 1957)
12. En kärlekshistoria - A Swedish Love Story (Roy Andersson, 1970)
13. Jungfrukällan - The Virgin Spring (Ingmar Bergman, 1960)
14. Fucking Åmål - Show Me Love (Lukas Moodysson, 1998)
15. Scener ur ett äktenskap - Scenes from a Marriage (Ingmar Bergman, 1973) ... also need to watch the Swedish - and American - miniseries
16. Sommaren med Monika - Summer with Monika (Ingmar Bergman, 1953)
17. Ansiktet - The Magician (Ingmar Bergman, 1958)
18. Händelse vid bank - Incident by a Bank (Ruben Östlund, 2010) ... quality short, lots of action packed into what appears to be a single take
19. Körkarlen - The Phantom Carriage (Victor Sjöström, 1921)
20. Fröken Julie - Miss Julie (Alf Sjöberg, 1951)

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I see Triangle of Sadness has been ruled eligible. Rulings on Holy Spider and Bergman Island (Mia Hansen-Love, 2021) would also be helpful. Sweden strikes me as a co-production nightmare for this exercise, although it seems like a pretty clearly secondary production source for a lot of quality Norwegian and Danish films in the last decade or so.

Fergenaprido · #72

monclivie wrote: ↑Yesterday, 5:07 pm I just these country polls.. This one is not as difficult as Canada, but still, suddenly the movie titled Höstsonaten is German..

It was always* German lol. Take it up with the Swedish tax authorities that prompted Bergman to move to West Germany in the '70s.

*well, I suppose it was always German, though even I thought it was Swedish until we did the German poll last spring.

monclivie · #73

Fergenaprido wrote: ↑Yesterday, 10:09 pm
monclivie wrote: ↑Yesterday, 5:07 pm I just these country polls.. This one is not as difficult as Canada, but still, suddenly the movie titled Höstsonaten is German..
It was always* German lol. Take it up with the Swedish tax authorities that prompted Bergman to move to West Germany in the '70s.

*well, I suppose it was always German, though even I thought it was Swedish until we did the German poll last spring.

Sure it didn't turn out to be German last year, but come on.. when you can't even trust a movie with a Swedish title made by a Swedish director in Swedish language with a Swedish cast including Erland Josephson and Liv Ullman (who I just found is... Norwegian, WTF) to be Swedish, it means you can't trust any movie, until you do some research where is it really from

Fergenaprido · #74

monclivie wrote: ↑Yesterday, 10:32 pm
Fergenaprido wrote: ↑Yesterday, 10:09 pm
monclivie wrote: ↑Yesterday, 5:07 pm I just these country polls.. This one is not as difficult as Canada, but still, suddenly the movie titled Höstsonaten is German..
It was always* German lol. Take it up with the Swedish tax authorities that prompted Bergman to move to West Germany in the '70s.

*well, I suppose it was always German, though even I thought it was Swedish until we did the German poll last spring.
Sure it didn't turn out to be German last year, but come on.. when you can't even trust a movie with a Swedish title made by a Swedish director in Swedish language with a Swedish cast including Erland Josephson and Liv Ullman (who I just found is... Norwegian, WTF) to be Swedish, it means you can't trust any movie, until you do some research where is it really from

I feel your pain. Best avoid Sult, then, as you'll tear your hair out trying to figure out which country it's from (apparently all the actors speak their native language, so it's a Danish-Norwegian-Swedish clusterf*ck).

Still, glad you're participating regardless.

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