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I should have said bourgeois-bohême instead of bourgeois but I wasn't sure it was a phrase that non-French speakers could understand. Apparently in the UK it is referred as "champagne socialist".
You're right about the age difference, but still it felt like the belated and mild political awakening of someone who lived confortably and then had their first deep thought only when experiencing financial difficulties for the first time.

It was interesting though and there are many other things than the political aspect of the film to learn from.

PS: you can be leftist or have sympathy for the "Yellow Vesters" and still be bourgeois.
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I never really got the impression that Beauvais was particularly well off or came from a bourgeois background, but it has been a while since I saw the film now.
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pitchorneirda wrote: November 26th, 2022, 6:27 pm You're right about the age difference, but still it felt like the belated and mild political awakening of someone who lived confortably and then had their first deep thought only when experiencing financial difficulties for the first time.

PS: you can be leftist or have sympathy for the "Yellow Vesters" and still be bourgeois.
When he brought comments on the Yellow Jackets, I thought it was conventional and not really felt through while breaking the mood and pace of the more intimate story he had been building so far. But I can’t be as definitive on his background.
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Mad God 8/10
Took a while for it to start coming together for me but the whole look of the film and its world and the way the 'culture' of the world was revealed was really nice and once a plot started to poke its head up I was already invested. I would've liked just a little more coherency as I got lost at times but there is enough there to piece together ideas that work better as suggestions rather than put into plain words. I enjoyed spending time in this oozy, gooey, poopy, dirty world.

La traversée 7/10
The story is nothing super original but the animation makes it feel fresh. I'm not usually a fan of this style but it was used well here in giving the film a nice atmosphere and hovering on the line of fantasy and reality whereas live action or a more.. normal type of animation could've made it feel too sugary and generic. I was confused as to where and when it was supposed to be taking place only afterwards discovering the places (and therefore the time I suppose) were fictional. This didn't matter so much overall but it had me scratching my head when a computer was shown. It didn't emotionally move me a whole lot but enough that I was invested in the characters and their hardships.

V síti 7/10
This documentary states that 41% of Czech children have received pornographic pictures from someone which is crazy and I read a lot of stories from women online who have experienced the same. I've been online since the age of 6 (in 1997) and have never experienced any of this behaviour so I lucked out.

I've seen a few pedo bait videos and channels previously and most of what is shown in this doc I'd already seen in those but it's still creepy and eye-opening to how many of these creeps exist and the kind of crap people have to deal with. I think it's important for people like me, who have never experienced this, to see what it's really like for the people who do.

While I enjoyed this film it didn't take advantage of saying anything deeper about the situation other than a few stats and comments from 'specialists'. I would've liked more of a deep dive into those things. I also liked seeing the reactions of the crew and the actors but there wasn't a lot of that either.


Ranking so far:
1. Mad God 8/10
2. La traversée 7/10
3. V síti 7/10
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pitchorneirda wrote: November 26th, 2022, 6:27 pm I should have said bourgeois-bohême instead of bourgeois but I wasn't sure it was a phrase that non-French speakers could understand. Apparently in the UK it is referred as "champagne socialist".
You're right about the age difference, but still it felt like the belated and mild political awakening of someone who lived confortably and then had their first deep thought only when experiencing financial difficulties for the first time.

It was interesting though and there are many other things than the political aspect of the film to learn from.

PS: you can be leftist or have sympathy for the "Yellow Vesters" and still be bourgeois.
The term in the UK of "champagne socialist" was used a lot in the 1990s but it's a fairly stupid one. It equates socialism with asceticism, socialism is not an ascetic movement, the goal is a worker's paradise. Who else should be drinking champagne other than a socialist, it's a product of labour. The only ones who should not be drinking it are those who have taken over the means of production in a coercive manner. Note that the term champagne socialist in the UK is not used by people on the left to describe other people on the left, it's used by those on the right.

There are a number of things that can cause disquiet as a modern leftist, firstly, are you a bit of a lazy revolutionary if you sit around watching films all day, are you a gradualist, or are you merely accepting the fact that there is not much momentum to your cause, that if you start tearing up paving stones in the centre of town and singing the internationale, that people are just going to laugh at you, and if you shoot a politician, all you did was become a monster.

The maillot jaune protests in large part are a protest against fuel taxes. But what if you are a progressive leftist, you probably believe that fuel should be taxed to high heaven, even if you share some other sympathies with the protesters.

Beauvais is I feel sharing his angst with us in a very open vulnerable way, he is of the left, the film is dripping with culturally left references that aren't the result of a sudden middle-aged revelation. But what does it mean to be a modern leftist, you sit around all day with other unhappy people dishing out shit-takes on Marx and discussing 19th century industrial relationships and chiding each other for lack of praxis. What does doing the right thing mean in 2022, or 2019 when this film was made? I never really found out the answer, but what I hit on a year ago as something that I could unequivocally back was veganism, which is a leftist philosophy and does have momentum. He makes vegan references in the film, he brings to mind the bourgeois family congregating around the abject "gigot" of meat on a festival day.
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btw MUBI notebook is pretty great, and actually reviewed Just Don't Think I'll Scream back in the day, as well as interviewing Frank Beauvais:

https://mubi.com/notebook/posts/passing ... ais-s-life
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Caught in the Net
To Catch a Predator, Czechia edition! This documentary is well-intentioned, but it's not what I'm looking for with regard to this serious topic. My skepticism senses lit up a couple of times as well (that 41% figure, for example).

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After an ominous start, Straight Up gradually started to win me over. It didn't totally get there, and lost some ground with the ending, but it got me to more or less enjoy a quirky independent romantic comedy. The style of the film is certainly more 'cine-literate' than what you usually think of when you think "quirky indie romantic comedy," with most of the film consisting of striking, fixed wide angle shots and featuring great choreography of movement and speech. It repeatedly references classic screwball comedies and it clearly very much wants to be at least a version of one. For example, the (sometimes very witty) dialogue is heavily overwritten and delivered rapid-fire, with almost no pausing between volleys.

It's not a great comedy. Many or maybe even most of the jokes don't land, but some do, and the film is fast-paced enough that the low field goal percentage isn't too painful. There are a couple moments, like when Todd reflects on whether his dad would have hugged him if he hadn't brought home a girl, that are actually quite thoughtful.

It is a bit weird that in a film with such overeducated characters, no one at any point uses the word "asexual" or "asexuality." Or that they keep conflating gender presentation and sexuality as if they were intrinsically tied to one another. Perhaps fixing either of these things would solve the film's central conflict too easily. It leads to some great satirical barbs on the societal pressure to conform to preconceived notions of what a healthy relationship is (including within LGBTQ spaces), but it also engenders a lot of frustrating conflict that is frustrating because it feels like it could be so easily solved. So go many romantic comedies (or dramas).

The climactic scene is not good.

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I finally finished off the main slate.

1 - The Crossing (2021) - 9/10 - I enjoyed this one quite a bit. I thought they did a nice job with the story and the art is gorgeously painted on glass.

2 - Beyond the Infinite Two Minutes (2020) - 8/10 - This low budget sci-fi film was very entertaining. The repetition of scenes from different points of view could have gotten pretty old, but fortunately they mostly moved on from that. It was well acted and funny.

3 - The Long Walk (2019) - 8/10 - I loved the atmosphere of the film, though the story could be a bit confusing. Around halfway through, I went back to watch the first part of the film again and it made a lot more sense the second time around.

4 - A White, White Day (2019) - 8/10 - There is grief and anger inside of the main character at the death of his wife and the turmoil increases as he finds signs of infidelity. The style here is pretty slow in parts, especially with the time lapse scene, but it worked for me and I enjoyed the film. I liked the dynamic between the chief and his granddaughter.

5 - Mad God (2021) - 8/10 - A strange figure descends into a nightmare world with strange creatures, some of them working at various tasks only to be randomly knocked off. I'd classify this as an animated sci-fi experimental horror film and I liked it quite a bit. There is a fair bit of humor mixed in with the horror early in the film and since there isn't really any dialogue you're left to figure things out from context.

6 - Straight Up (2019) - 7/10 - I wasn't really enjoying the film up until Todd and Rory meet. After that, it was a pleasant enough film, but not one that rose to greatness.

7 - Caught in the Net (2020) - 6.5/10 - I thought the film was okay, though the longest segment of the film where they were interacting with the men online seemed kind of repetitive. I also don't think we needed to see quite so many dick pics and masturbation shots. I'm not really sure what the point of the confrontation was at the end. Overall, the whole thing seemed kind of amateurish, though the sets were pretty well prepared and I didn't have any problems with the actresses themselves.

8 - New Order (2020) - 6/10 - I thought the first half of the movie was good, but the film ended up not really going anywhere. It ended up as a bit of a confusing mess with me wondering what the point of it was.

9 - Adoration (2019) - 5.5/10 - The girl who played Gloria was fairly convincing, but I thought the boy who played Paul was not very good and I couldn't get into the story much at all. It seemed rather tedious at times.

10 - Just Don’t Think I’ll Scream (2019) - 5/10 - I found the endless narration to be pretty monotonous. It is obvious that a lot of work went into assembling the clips and many of these were interesting in how they were ordered. I might have rated the film higher if it simply had a soundtrack and no narration.
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Adoration
I’ve rarely seen a movie where I was so content to ignore the narrative. That’s not to say this movie, which primarily concerns two 12-year-olds traveling across rural Belgium, is plotless. Far from it. The story is quite gripping. But the camerawork and the acting of the two young leads are so compelling on their own, that I was content simply to follow their journey regardless of plot points.

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blocho wrote: December 4th, 2022, 3:28 am Adoration
I’ve rarely seen a movie where I was so content to ignore the narrative. That’s not to say this movie, which primarily concerns two 12-year-olds traveling across rural Belgium, is plotless. Far from it. The story is quite gripping. But the camerawork and the acting of the two young leads are so compelling on their own, that I was content simply to follow their journey regardless of plot points.

7/10
Characters are 14 years old actually, they are more teenagers than kids. Not sure why IMDb plot line says otherwise but I will trigger a correction.
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outdoorcats wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 11:16 pmIt is a bit weird that in a film with such overeducated characters, no one at any point uses the word "asexual" or "asexuality."
This is factually incorrect, Todd asked his therapist if he might be asexual. Like you say it's a fast paced movie with lots of dialogue that washes over one.
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matthewscott8 wrote: December 4th, 2022, 8:37 am
outdoorcats wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 11:16 pmIt is a bit weird that in a film with such overeducated characters, no one at any point uses the word "asexual" or "asexuality."
This is factually incorrect, Todd asked his therapist if he might be asexual. Like you say it's a fast paced movie with lots of dialogue that washes over one.
Yeah, I remembered it being discussed too. I was going to go back and try and find the scene but couldn't remember where to look. Thanks for pointing it out.
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gunnar wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 3:22 am
10 - Just Don’t Think I’ll Scream (2019) - 5/10 - I found the endless narration to be pretty monotonous.
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I might have rated the film higher if it simply had a soundtrack and no narration.
Hehehe, whilst I loved the movie, this is a sick burn.
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matthewscott8 wrote: December 4th, 2022, 8:37 am
outdoorcats wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 11:16 pmIt is a bit weird that in a film with such overeducated characters, no one at any point uses the word "asexual" or "asexuality."
This is factually incorrect, Todd asked his therapist if he might be asexual. Like you say it's a fast paced movie with lots of dialogue that washes over one.
I was listening for it and didn't hear it! What did his therapist say in response?

I am going to be struggling to finish even the Main Slate since unfortunately I was hit by the flu shortly after the festival started (and am still recovering, but still have to go to work most days). I'll do my best! (I have 2 left in Africa slate, 7 left in Main, and just not a lot of time and even less energy)

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outdoorcats wrote: December 5th, 2022, 12:11 am
matthewscott8 wrote: December 4th, 2022, 8:37 am
outdoorcats wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 11:16 pmIt is a bit weird that in a film with such overeducated characters, no one at any point uses the word "asexual" or "asexuality."
This is factually incorrect, Todd asked his therapist if he might be asexual. Like you say it's a fast paced movie with lots of dialogue that washes over one.
I was listening for it and didn't hear it! What did his therapist say in response?

I am going to be struggling to finish even the Main Slate since unfortunately I was hit by the flu shortly after the festival started (and am still recovering, but still have to go to work most days). I'll do my best! (I have 2 left in Africa slate, 7 left in Main, and just not a lot of time and even less energy)
Found it! At his 3rd or 4th session with the therapist, around 1:09:30:
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part in quotations are according to English CC on Netflix:

Todd: "Or what if I'm a heteromantic asexual? So I'm romantically attracted to women, but sexually attracted to nobody." (after mentioning two other possibilities.
Therapist: Do you remember story X from your childhood? What happened? Tell it to me again.
Todd: Tells the story and answers what he thinks the next question will be of how that story relates to his current situation.
Todd: "Will you please just like tell me what I am?"
Therapist: "Well why don't we just start with the basics? Are you sure you're a boy?"
Todd: "Well I was until now."
Therapist: nods knowingly and says "Interesting" as she writes down notes.

End of scene (the whole scene is only about a minute since it's rapid-fire dialogue)

At the beginning of the film in the first session he also asks her "so does that mean I'm not gay?" after she gives him a metaphor, and she replies "I don't know, it's just a metaphor."

So, it's mostly played for comedic effect about his own insecurities, I would say, but the film refuses to have the therapist give a definitive response to the question (in line with the way all of their sessions go in the film).

At their final session, Todd seems to come to the realization that he's probably attracted to men even if he's not interested in penetrative sex, to which the therapist says he's probably gay, "like a Kinsey 5" (before she said he could be a Kinsey 3 when he said he wanted to challenge the assumption that he's gay).
I don't know if that answers your question or removes the weirdness. There are 4 or 5 therapy scenes in total, I think, and rewatching just those might help (they're each about 1 minute or so in length).
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Fergenaprido wrote: December 5th, 2022, 12:44 am
outdoorcats wrote: December 5th, 2022, 12:11 am
matthewscott8 wrote: December 4th, 2022, 8:37 am This is factually incorrect, Todd asked his therapist if he might be asexual. Like you say it's a fast paced movie with lots of dialogue that washes over one.
I was listening for it and didn't hear it! What did his therapist say in response?

I am going to be struggling to finish even the Main Slate since unfortunately I was hit by the flu shortly after the festival started (and am still recovering, but still have to go to work most days). I'll do my best! (I have 2 left in Africa slate, 7 left in Main, and just not a lot of time and even less energy)
Found it! At his 3rd or 4th session with the therapist, around 1:09:30:
Spoiler
part in quotations are according to English CC on Netflix:

Todd: "Or what if I'm a heteromantic asexual? So I'm romantically attracted to women, but sexually attracted to nobody." (after mentioning two other possibilities.
Therapist: Do you remember story X from your childhood? What happened? Tell it to me again.
Todd: Tells the story and answers what he thinks the next question will be of how that story relates to his current situation.
Todd: "Will you please just like tell me what I am?"
Therapist: "Well why don't we just start with the basics? Are you sure you're a boy?"
Todd: "Well I was until now."
Therapist: nods knowingly and says "Interesting" as she writes down notes.

End of scene (the whole scene is only about a minute since it's rapid-fire dialogue)

At the beginning of the film in the first session he also asks her "so does that mean I'm not gay?" after she gives him a metaphor, and she replies "I don't know, it's just a metaphor."

So, it's mostly played for comedic effect about his own insecurities, I would say, but the film refuses to have the therapist give a definitive response to the question (in line with the way all of their sessions go in the film).

At their final session, Todd seems to come to the realization that he's probably attracted to men even if he's not interested in penetrative sex, to which the therapist says he's probably gay, "like a Kinsey 5" (before she said he could be a Kinsey 3 when he said he wanted to challenge the assumption that he's gay).
I don't know if that answers your question or removes the weirdness. There are 4 or 5 therapy scenes in total, I think, and rewatching just those might help (they're each about 1 minute or so in length).
Weird that I was looking for that exact statement, but didn't hear it, but remember the quip about "Are you sure you're a boy?" "Well, I was until now!"

To be fair, the therapist is not supposed to tell him what he is, or tell clients what to do, at least not nowadays. Her refusing to answer his demands for advice is a bit more realistic as opposed to earlier when she outright tells him to explore his hetero curiosity (not that a therapist wouldn't encourage that sort of thing, but the way she words it is more didactic/instructional as opposed to collaborative).

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I made it through Caught in the Net, which I expected to be like a feature length version of To Catch a Predator but felt more like a documentary/horror hybrid. Unsure how to rate it. It's one of the most disturbing films ever made IMO; fiction, no matter how extreme, can't really hold a candle to this. An extra disturbing angle is when you realize that this is so prevalent that it's statistically likely you're related to at least one of these kinds of men (in one case a woman), and know more by acquaintance, and may have no idea - many of these psychopaths and child rapists appear to have been leading convincing double lives.

Some of the directing choices were weird and it felt a bit like a Youtube documentary towards the beginning. A lot could have been left on the cutting room floor. I definitely didn't find the "nice guy" as heartwarming as I was seemingly supposed to - that's an insanely low bar to clear (I get that this was sort of the point).

For the sake of the audience award I guess I'll rate it a 7.

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outdoorcats wrote: December 6th, 2022, 6:01 am this is so prevalent that it's statistically likely you're related to at least one of these kinds of men (in one case a woman), and know more by acquaintance
Can you explain further? What statistics are you relying on?
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Surely we know I meant something along the lines of "seems statistically likely."


2100+ predators in 10 days is astonishing.
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outdoorcats wrote: December 6th, 2022, 6:27 am Surely we know I meant something along the lines of "seems statistically likely."
I did not, but thanks for clarifying.
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outdoorcats wrote: December 6th, 2022, 6:01 am I made it through Caught in the Net, which I expected to be like a feature length version of To Catch a Predator but felt more like a documentary/horror hybrid. Unsure how to rate it. It's one of the most disturbing films ever made IMO; fiction, no matter how extreme, can't really hold a candle to this. An extra disturbing angle is when you realize that this is so prevalent that it's statistically likely you're related to at least one of these kinds of men (in one case a woman), and know more by acquaintance, and may have no idea - many of these psychopaths and child rapists appear to have been leading convincing double lives.

Some of the directing choices were weird and it felt a bit like a Youtube documentary towards the beginning. A lot could have been left on the cutting room floor. I definitely didn't find the "nice guy" as heartwarming as I was seemingly supposed to - that's an insanely low bar to clear (I get that this was sort of the point).

For the sake of the audience award I guess I'll rate it a 7.
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matthewscott8 wrote: December 6th, 2022, 10:06 am
outdoorcats wrote: December 6th, 2022, 6:01 am I made it through Caught in the Net, which I expected to be like a feature length version of To Catch a Predator but felt more like a documentary/horror hybrid. Unsure how to rate it. It's one of the most disturbing films ever made IMO; fiction, no matter how extreme, can't really hold a candle to this. An extra disturbing angle is when you realize that this is so prevalent that it's statistically likely you're related to at least one of these kinds of men (in one case a woman), and know more by acquaintance, and may have no idea - many of these psychopaths and child rapists appear to have been leading convincing double lives.

Some of the directing choices were weird and it felt a bit like a Youtube documentary towards the beginning. A lot could have been left on the cutting room floor. I definitely didn't find the "nice guy" as heartwarming as I was seemingly supposed to - that's an insanely low bar to clear (I get that this was sort of the point).

For the sake of the audience award I guess I'll rate it a 7.
In August a guy I used to drink with just went off grid one day, he was my friend's best friend and I used to see him about once a fortnight. We knew something had happened, but were told by his family that he was safe. It turns out he was arrested by the police and is on remand awaiting sentencing for child sex offences. Given he didn't have children or any access to children that I'm aware of, I'm guessing it was online stuff. I found out during this festival. The friend I referred to elsewhere in this thread, the one who in real life did some paedophile hunting, is this guy's best friend. I had definitely seen an annoying / toxic side to the guy but wouldn't have guessed this, looking back I can't see any signs.
Christ, that's crazy. Particularly his best friend being the vigilante pedophile hunter.

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My final thoughts on the main slate:

Beyond the Infinite Two Minutes (2020): 8/10
I thought this was tons of fun and very clever. Yes, one could make the argument that this is one long gimmick, but frankly I don't care when it's this enjoyable to watch.

The Long Walk (2019) 7.5/10
Very interesting, mysterious film with a palpable sense of atmosphere. It has this interesting quality of being both very strange and incredibly grounded at the same, reminding me of the films of Apichatpong Weerasethakul with it's dark magical realist tone.

Mad God (2021) 7/10
I thought this one had great atmosphere and is a masterful example of stop motion animation. The lack of a coherent plot definitely starts to drag it down a little by the end though.

Adoration (2019) 7/10
To date, Fabrice Du Welz hasn't hit a straight up home run for me yet, but he's made some pretty interesting films. Along with Allelulia, I thought this flick that's part coming-of-age, part dark Bonnie-and-Clyde narrative is one of his better ones.

A White, White Day (2019) 6.5/10
This film has some interesting ideas, a very strong lead performance and some very good cinematography, but it is just so slow.... It could've really needed some stronger editing to tighten up the narrative more.

Straight Up (2019) 6.5/10
Occasionally pretty funny, I did enjoy the rapid fire dialogue. But I felt like the premise was a little overly gimmicky and the climactic speech was extremely cheesy.

The Crossing (2021) 6.5/10
A decent film with a nice art style, but the actual animation feels a bit crude and doesn't gel with the dramatic story being told.

Caught in the Net (2020) 6/10
While this does have a similar setup to To Catch A Predator, I think it's DNA is more like that of a Michael Moore "gotcha" film. Like Moore, they take an important topic that definitely needs to have attention brought to it, but also like Moore, by the end after the "gotcha" moment, you start to wonder what they actually accomplished and whether this was just another form of exploitation.

New Order (2020) 5.5/10
Interesting idea but I feel like what it wants to communicate it muddled. The pacing also just felt really off at times.

Just Don’t Think I’ll Scream (2019) 4/10
I like the idea behind these kind of cinematic essay collages but I've seen it done much better elsewhere (like Los Angeles Plays Itself for instance). The narration reminded me of the droning monotonousness of Jonas Mekas, another visual essayist I don't care for.
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outdoorcats wrote: December 6th, 2022, 1:41 pm
matthewscott8 wrote: December 6th, 2022, 10:06 am
outdoorcats wrote: December 6th, 2022, 6:01 am I made it through Caught in the Net, which I expected to be like a feature length version of To Catch a Predator but felt more like a documentary/horror hybrid. Unsure how to rate it. It's one of the most disturbing films ever made IMO; fiction, no matter how extreme, can't really hold a candle to this. An extra disturbing angle is when you realize that this is so prevalent that it's statistically likely you're related to at least one of these kinds of men (in one case a woman), and know more by acquaintance, and may have no idea - many of these psychopaths and child rapists appear to have been leading convincing double lives.

Some of the directing choices were weird and it felt a bit like a Youtube documentary towards the beginning. A lot could have been left on the cutting room floor. I definitely didn't find the "nice guy" as heartwarming as I was seemingly supposed to - that's an insanely low bar to clear (I get that this was sort of the point).

For the sake of the audience award I guess I'll rate it a 7.
In August a guy I used to drink with just went off grid one day, he was my friend's best friend and I used to see him about once a fortnight. We knew something had happened, but were told by his family that he was safe. It turns out he was arrested by the police and is on remand awaiting sentencing for child sex offences. Given he didn't have children or any access to children that I'm aware of, I'm guessing it was online stuff. I found out during this festival. The friend I referred to elsewhere in this thread, the one who in real life did some paedophile hunting, is this guy's best friend. I had definitely seen an annoying / toxic side to the guy but wouldn't have guessed this, looking back I can't see any signs.
Christ, that's crazy. Particularly his best friend being the vigilante pedophile hunter.
Think it's to do with compartmentalization. That bad thing you do is in some sort of box. I remember catching a cashier stealing money from the tills and she had frequently been talking about how wrong it was and trying to catch other people for doing it. The human being is a very strange creature.
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matthewscott8 wrote: December 6th, 2022, 5:22 pm Think it's to do with compartmentalization. That bad thing you do is in some sort of box. I remember catching a cashier stealing money from the tills and she had frequently been talking about how wrong it was and trying to catch other people for doing it. The human being is a very strange creature.
People who seem to protest a bit too much often seem to be guilty of the things they protest against (see: seemingly every anti-gay politician).

I just watched Adoration, which I thought was pretty amazing - can always count on this festival to find me a new favorite.
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Between this and Calvaire Du Welz seems to be pretty interested in incredibly toxic relationships. This one felt more two-way and tragic - both lovers are in a sense equally culpable but also because of their youth neither of them are. I think Du Welz deliberately sets up Paul as the holy innocent and Gloria as the manipulative one with all the power, then gradually undercuts it as it becomes clear Gloria isn't manipulating him on purpose, she really believes her own lies. It is not an accident that this film begins with Paul freeing a trapped bird, then taking it in as a pet and in doing so accidentally kills it (Gloria doesn't die at the end, but it's still a pretty pointed metaphor). In the end, they are both holy innocents, and the film posits that as a pretty scary thing!

What happened to Hinkel at the end (assuming he did not survive the crash) was a tough pill to swallow.

Another way you could frame this as the Heart of Darkness of teenage love stories. We are on boats, starving, and things get increasingly violent/unhinged the deeper they go.

Another aspect to consider is the overprotective, vaguely incestuous-feeling relationship between Paul's mother and him. Perhaps Paul is another pet bird.
Cinematically the film was yet more impressive than Calvaire; I love the use of zooms and handheld camera which gives the film a casual, offhand look that barely disguises Du Welz' striking eye for shapes, light, and color.

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Adoration 7/10
Had low expectations for this tbh because I've hated the directors other films but there was something intriguing with this. While the plot is generic I found the performances of the leads the main draw (particularly Fantine Harduin). Her blank stares are unnerving. There's always a feeling of when is she going to explode and what is she really capable of/what's going in her head and seems much scarier than any other potential danger the two may come across wandering alone in the woods. Not a lot seemed to happen and at the end I felt a little dissatisfied but I still enjoyed it for the most part.

Bor Mi Vanh Chark 6/10
It took me a while to get into this as it is very slowburn but unlike a lot of slowburn films it does sort of pay off in the end. I was just enjoying the setting over the actual plot for the most part and while things do come together in the end the plot does feel muddled. It's nice we don't have explanations about everything but sometimes things just didn't make sense. And what was the whole deal with the chips in the arm? A 'ghost' film that wasn't trying to be scary was refreshing although more of a relationship or chemistry could've been there between the main dude and the ghost.

Droste no hate de bokura 6/10
Short and sweet and doesn't overstay its welcome. I liked the one shot 'trick' which helped it feel fresh and kept the pace going even when it felt like it was getting repetitive. But the comedy didn't really do anything for me and I just didn't care about it much. It was entertaining and I like the concept of short and limited time travel but it could've been snappier and funnier.

Ne croyez surtout pas que je hurle 4/10
This was the only film in the main slate which I had zero interest in (I had it ranked 33/37 of the films the jurors were given to vote on) so I'm not surprised that I hated this. Not quite a dislike because I do like montages of film clips and appreciate the effort but the narration was so utterly boring I think I would've liked it more on silent. A draining film that doesn't offer a lot and feels longer than it is. There were things I had in common with this guy but I couldn't relate to him at all. Someone with a more interesting life or at least more interesting reflections on their life--alongside more interesting images--may have been more tolerable but in general I hate diary films.


Ranking so far:
1. Mad God 8/10
2. La traversée 7/10
3. Adoration 7/10
4. V síti 7/10
5. Bor Mi Vanh Chark 6/10
6. Droste no hate de bokura 6/10
7. Ne croyez surtout pas que je hurle 4/10
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time flies, we are already entering the final weekend of our fest!!

So, time for me to give my ratings too

1 - 9 - Mad God
2 - 8 - Hvítur, hvítur dagur
3 - 8 - Nuevo orden
4 - 7,5 - Bor Mi Vanh Chark
5 - 7,5 - V síti
6 - 7,5 - La traversée
7 - 7,5 - Ne croyez surtout pas que je hurle
8 - 7,5 - Straight Up
9 - 7,5 - Adoration
10 - 7,5 - Dorosute no hate de bokura

No real stinkers, of course, although I was disapointed by the final two on my ranking, and there are a lot more 7.5 scores than I would have liked for the core of the festival. But I do realise my taste is not on parallel lines with that of most people, including most programmers. I would not have seen half of these if my fellow programmers would not have pointed me towards them (straight up, v siti, la traversee, Ne croyes surtout pas que je hurle, bor mi vanh chark), and I do thank them!! I hope likewise some people have made again some nice discoveries due to our selections across all slates.
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Unfortunately I'm not ngoing to get to the last two on this slate because of too much going on both in and out of work. my ranking for what I've seen-

1. Droste no hate de bokura/Beyond the Infinite Two Minutes (2020) 8
2. Adoration (2019) 7
3. Ne croyez surtout pas que je hurle /Just Don't Think I'll Scream (2019) 7
4. A White, White Day (Hvítur, hvítur dagur) (2019) 6+
5. Bor Mi Vanh Chark /The Long Walk (2019) 6
6. Mad God (2021) 6
7. Straight Up (2019) 6
8. Nuevo Orden/New Order (2020) 5
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Doubt I am going to get anything else watched before deadline. Didn't get to my 100% completion like last year of all 50 movies so I have to settle for 80+% (I think I have about 8 to watch but not really sure). Anyway here is my main slate rankings minus the 1 I'm missing here.

1. Bor Mi Vanh Chark (2019) - 10/10 - This one shocked me, I wasn't expecting something so good from a country like Laos. It shows no matter where you are in the world you can still make a great movie.

2. V síti (2020) - 10/10 - My only nomination that made the main slate (I had 9 down in the minor slates though) I was quite surprised when the rest of the programming team made this the centrepiece. Yeah it didn't go down as good as we hoped but it at least kept the thread active with discussion which is a win.

3. Droste no hate de bokura (2020) - 8/10 - While this started off very repetitive it did pick up as things started to progress. Well thought out single location film.

4. Nuevo orden (2020) - 8/10 - I quite enjoyed this one but I can see it is a bit decisive. I can see why that is, there isn't much middle ground with this one.

5. Ne croyez surtout pas que je hurle (2019) - 8/10 - Not a movie I expecting to like but this was just so well done that it was hard not to like it.

6. La traversée (2021) - 7/10 - A beautifully animated story which is reminiscent of so many stories I have been watching recently of Europeans having to flee their homes.

7. Adoration (2019) - 7/10 - I enjoyed this mostly though I do feel as though the movie ended just a bit to early.

8. Hvítur, hvítur dagur (2019) - 6/10 - I enjoyed the story and the child actress was great in her role. Unfortunately the Arthouse elements took me out of it a bit at times, I wish they had decided just to go with that idea fully or just leave it out and make a more traditional film.

9. Mad God (2021) - 6/10 - This looked beautiful but the lack of a story made it a touch below a full enjoyment.


Unseen - Straight Up (2019)


I am pretty happy with the make up of the main slate this year with me enjoying somewhat everything I watched, including my best watch of another programmers recommendations. I know there has been talk that we made a week main slate this year, but honestly I just don't see it.
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Ranked in order of preference:

1. Beyond the Infinite Two Minutes (2020) - 10
2. Caught in the Net (2020) - 9
3. Mad God (2021) - 8
4. Adoration (2019) - 7
5. The Crossing (2021) - 7
6. Just Don't Think I'll Scream (2019) - 7
7. Straight Up (2019) - 7
8. New Order (2020) - 6
9. A White, White Day (2019) - 6
10. The Long Walk (2019) - 6
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The Long Walk
About fifteen minutes into this movie, I realized I hadn’t understood a single thing that had yet happened. So I started again from the beginning. That helped, but not much. The movie didn’t become really comprehensible until around the midpoint, and even after that there was plenty that didn’t make sense. The second half proved compelling, but it’s hard to get over the boredom of the first half. In the end, I didn’t enjoy The Long Walk, but I admire the movie for being unique, a blend of different genres that refuses to hew to the narrative or tonal conventions of any of them.

5/10

And that wraps up the film festival for me. Huge thanks to the programmers for all their hard work in organizing this. Overall, I saw 16 movies, which is easily the most movies I have seen at any ICMFF. Ten of those 16 get a thumbs up from me.

My highest rated (all of which enter my 500<400 list):
Straight Up
Beyond the Infinite Two Minutes
Moffie
Dinner in America
12 Hour Shift

My lowest rated:
Fried Barry
A White, White Day
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Straight Up 7/10
I was ready to hate this after the first 5-10 minutes because I hate that rapid 'every line is a joke' style comedy but then I started finding the actors likable and got dragged into it. The characters are a bit annoying but they have enough relatability that they are kinda likable too. And the film seems self-aware enough that it only occasionally is a bit cringey quirky. I liked that it wasn't really about a gay guy pretending to be straight but about a relationship where the people just like being together and exploring whether they can meet each other's needs and expectations and how they may change in the future and what parts of them actually define them and how this defines their relationship. It was a pretty film too.

Not sure if I'm gonna get to the last two films before the end of the festival..

Ranking so far:
1. Mad God 8/10
2. La traversée 7/10
3. Straight Up 7/10
4. Adoration 7/10
5. V síti 7/10
6. Bor Mi Vanh Chark 6/10
7. Droste no hate de bokura 6/10
8. Ne croyez surtout pas que je hurle 4/10
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zzzorf wrote: December 11th, 2022, 1:42 amI am pretty happy with the make up of the main slate this year with me enjoying somewhat everything I watched, including my best watch of another programmers recommendations. I know there has been talk that we made a week main slate this year, but honestly I just don't see it.
I very much enjoyed the main slate this year and had a much higher hit rate than I was expecting, 5/10 made it to my top list, add then my favourite film of all Exstase, I saw in the documentary slate, plus I got another bonus of Cryptozoo from animation. I think the programmers did a really good job, my only dissenting note that I was baffled at the centerpiece being held in such high esteem, but I agree that at least it sparked a lot of discussion.

Two rounding up comments that I thought of are that

(1) 8 out of 10 of the main slate were on very dark themes. I felt I was getting beat up watching this at the start, it was some time before I got to Droste. I haven't seen every slate so I don't know if that ran through everything. In documentary slate we had actual animal and child abuse, a man being whipped in a Congolese Street, a document of a dying planet and graphic images of a body ravaged by anorexia. Not every documentary is like that, I watched one on seaweed recently for example. I was almost happy at seeing so many reviews of Mad God that to me missed the point of the film, because its general thrust is abysally dark (we live in a universe where there is no plot, just a chaotic abuser, and the film is pretty reflexive on that). Could we have a bit more joy next year please hehehe.

(2) I did admire the risk taking in the programme, I didn't really see much that I thought was conventional, except Elementa, the long perfume advert (sorry I couldn't resist the temptation to use that critical chestnut). And whilst Cryptozoo stole so much of X Men that it can only be referred to as a heist, the inclusion of cryptids was wildly original.
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I watched both Mad God and A White White Day while very tired which would have affected my overall enjoyment. I tried to give the rating that I would have given if I had been more awake/alert.

Mad God is the latest in a long line of similar films (Institute Benjamenta, Blood Tea and Red String, La casa lobo, (S)He) that are becoming frequent enough I feel like they are a sub-genre that needs its own name. Svankmajerist films? Like those films this was a personal labor of love that took years, in this case decades - Tippet started making it in the early '90s, dropped it, and picked it back up again (with the help of Kickstarter) in the early 2010s, releasing parts of the film at a time before the whole thing.

Actually more than those other animated films it reminded me of Hard to Be a God, a film where everything is perpetually caked in blood, shit and refuse but still manages to be darkly beautiful and striking in its imagery. It is filled with shots from beginning to end that are jaw dropping. Unfortunately you can really feel the years between the parts of this project because it keeps dropping plot threads as Tippet seemingly lost interest in them and wanted to do something else. The result is an astonishing gallery walk of incredible stop motion animation and images that never feels unified by a narrative or theme besides just overwhelming nihilism and bleakness (there's a lot of expression of extreme depression and personal unhappiness in these images). Rather than a traditional film experience, this would play a lot better as something just playing on a loop at MOMA, where observers could drift in, sit through as much as they wanted to or could stomach, and drift back out.

Another tough film to rate, I guess a 7.5 is fine.

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A White White Day is another striking, artistically challenging film from Iceland. Interesting a lot of themes (toxic masculinity? the violence that explodes when you can't verbally express your feelings etc) and story beats also appeared in The Killing of Two Lovers which was released the following year, coincidence?

This is one I really wished I had been able to watch after a full night's sleep because there are a lot of drawn-out shots and overall a very deliberate pace; despite my impatience I still felt unsettling tension building through the film. I LOVED the opening sequence of shots (which seems like it took a ton of work and time for one quick montage) and the many unique filmmaking touches, like this montage halfway through of a rock bouncing down a cliff into the sea (presumably retracing the steps of the wife's car). There's so much great cinema coming out of Iceland, I feel like I need to do a deeper dive, even though I doubt I'll find a film as masterful as Echo or Lamb, two of the best films of the century IMO.

Side note, this film has another entry into the Bad Therapists Cinema Canon, and I'm starting to wonder if a) these are just clueless interpretations of what therapy is because filmmakers don't go to therapy, or b) there really are just all these horrible, incompetent therapists/counselors out there. Has anyone here had experiences with therapists where they just lectured you or argued with you? I mean I know no one's perfect and sometimes unintended emotional responses come out but the way its portrayed in films like this more implies this is just the normal order of business for these therapists. :blink:

My rating for the audience award is 8.

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It seems like a lot of jurors are unable to quite finish by tomorrow (I have 3 films left in Main + 1 in Africa, that's a big Maybe for me). Would it benefit the festival to give us a one week extension? I know it's not ideal but would be better than only having a handful of jurors done.

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I'm always happy to give everyone more time to see these films. I think this is technically the decision of you jurors, so go right ahead if this is what you feel is right.
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I'm relaxed I finished my juror duty, but don't mind waiting for deliberations.
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I finished mine as well, but don't mind extending if it helps others finish.
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