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Country Poll: Senegal [Deadline: October 2, 2022]

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Country Poll: Senegal [Deadline: October 2, 2022]

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Overview of the Project
Schedule


September 2022: Senegal


Rules
* You may vote for a minimum of 5 and a maximum of 20 titles.
* Feature films, documentaries, shorts, made-for-tv movies, direct-to-video movies, TV mini-series, and TV episodes from anthology series are all eligible.
* One country per film - IMDB is used as a guideline, but Fergenaprido will be the final arbiter for uncertain cases.
* All ballots are considered ranked unless otherwise stated.
* You must include a list of bare imdb URLs along with your ballot (preferably within a spoiler tag), otherwise your ballot will be disqualified.

Scoring
For ranked ballots, the top-ranked title will receive the number of points equal to the number of titles on the ballot, with each successive title receiving one point less.
I.e. A list with 20 titles means #1 has 20 points, #2 has 19 points, and #20 has 1 point; a list with 5 titles means #1 has 5 points, #2 has 4 points, and #5 has 1 point.

For unranked ballots, each title will receive an equal share of the total points that would have been allotted it the ballot had been ranked.
I.e. A list with 20 titles means each title would receive 10.5 points; a list with 5 titles means each title would receive 3 points.

Resources:
Senegalese films sorted by number of votes*
Senegalese films sorted by your rating on imdb*
Wikipedia article on Cinema of Senegal
*due to imdb allowing films to be attributed to more than one country, many titles in this filter may be ineligible for this poll if Senegal is not the primary country of production. Decisions about uncertain films will be listed in the second post of this thread.

Many thanks to Rufus-T & gromit82 for the framework from the Year by Year polls, and to maxwelldeux for the Excel template.

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Fully ranked lists of 20 titles unless otherwise indicated
Deadline: 11:59:59 p.m. October 2, 2022, UTC -10 (Hawaii Time)
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If you have any eligibility questions, please mention them in this thread. This post will act as a summary of all decisions (films listed in alphabetical order in each section).

Final Decisions
L'absence (The Absence) (2009) - France/Guinea/Senegal - French film, not eligible
Atlantique [Atlantics] (2019) - Senegal/France - Senegalese film, eligible - note: this is the feature film
Atlantiques (2009) - France/Senegal - French film, not eligible - note: this is the short film
Aujourd'hui [Tey / Today] (2012) - France/Senegal - Senegalese film, eligible
Emitaï [God of Thunder] (1971) - Senegal/France - Senegalese film, eligible
L'extraordinaire destin de Madame Brouette (2002) - Senegal/France/Canada - Senegalese film, eligible
Félicité (2017) - Senegal/France - Senegalese film, eligible
Guelwaar (1992) - Senegal/France - Senegalese film, eligible
Hyènes [Hyenas] (1992) - Senegal/France/Switzerland - Senegalese film, eligible
Mandabi (1968) - Senegal/France - Senegalese film, eligible
Ndeyassan [The Price of Forgiveness] (2001) - Senegal/France - Senegalese film, eligible
La noire de... [Black Girl] (1996) - Senegal/France - Senegalese film, eligible
Toubab Bi (1991) - France/Senegal - Senegalese film, eligible
Un transport en commun [Saint Louis Blues] (2009) - France/Senegal - Senegalese film, eligible
Wùlu [Dog] (2016) - France/Senegal - French film, not eligible

Ongoing Discussions
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This should be interesting because while Senegal has the third largest filmic output of all Sub-Saharan African countries (after South Africa and Nigeria), there are less than 200 Senegalese films out there according to Letterboxd. Not a complaint, more a comment/observation, and yeah I know I missed out on the discussion/planning phase, my bad, this will be interesting nonetheless.
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OK here are some co-productions to consider -

Mandabi (1968) - the first feature in an indigenous language, it would be a shame for this to be ineligible
Toubab Bi (1991)
L'extraordinaire destin de Madame Brouette (2002)
Aujourd'hui (2012)
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Opening this thread up early to help kickstart the conversation and hopefully garner more interest and encourage people to watch more films from Senegal so we don't end up with a Top List full of Sembene films. :D

With the Philippines looking like it will do just fine to get enough films for the final top list, this will be the second test (after NZ) to gauge forum interest in films from smaller countries. I hope I wasn't wrong in thinking that if any Sub-Saharan country (aside from South Africa) could do it, this was it. :fingers_crossed:

And so I might as well start off with my own preliminary ballot.

1. Moolaadé (2004)
2. Atlantique [Atlantics] (2019)
3. Camp de Thiaroye [Camp at Thiaroye] (1988)
4. Ceddo [The Outsiders] (1977)
5. La petite vendeuse de soleil [The Little Girl Who Sold the Sun] (1999)
6. Borom sarret [The Wagoner] (1963)
7. La pirogue [The Pirogue] (2012)
8. Xala (1975)
9. Félicité (2017)
10. Mossane (1996)
11. Toubabi Bi (1991)
12. Fary l'anesse [Fary the Donkey] (1990)
13. Touki Bouki [Journey of the Hyena] (1973)
14. Hyènes [Hyenas] (1992)
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16.
17.
18.
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5/14 are Sembene. I got some exploring to do!

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this will be the second poll, after NZ, that I will have to skip
I would only have 2 or 3 films by the Diop's on offer...

only 13 features rated, of which only 3 got 4 out of 5 stars
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4,0 Atlantique (2019)
4,0 Hyènes (1992)
4,0 Touki Bouki (1973)
3,5 Baamum Nafi (2019)
3,5 Camp de Thiaroye (1987)
3,5 Emitaï (1971)
3,5 Félicité (2017)
3,5 Kaddu Beykat (1975)
3,5 La Nuit des Rois (2020)
3,5 Wùlu (2016)
3,0 Mandabi (1968)
3,0 La Noire De... (1966)
3,0 La Petite Vendeuse de Soleil (1999)
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OldAle1 wrote: August 8th, 2022, 4:24 pm OK here are some co-productions to consider -
Mandabi (1968) - the first feature in an indigenous language, it would be a shame for this to be ineligible
First production company is Senegalese, so eligible. I've submitted a correction to imdb. I'm also planning to watch this before the deadline, so if something comes up in the credits to change my mind, I'll let y'all know.

Toubab Bi (1991)
Hmm, I have this on my ballot, but there are no Senegalese production companies listed on imdb. I'll have to double check my copy. TBD

L'extraordinaire destin de Madame Brouette (2002)
Wasn't expecting Canada to pop up there. 3 production companies from 3 different countries are listed, but not ordered. I'm leaning toward eligible, but I'll also try and track this film down and watch it and check the on screen credits. TBD, but probably eligible

Aujourd'hui (2012)
French-Senegalese production, with Berlinale listing France first, with 2 French and 1 Senegalese production company. Gomis himself is French-born of Senegalese descent and has worked in both countries. But it also won the FESPACO. So, I'm unsure, but will also try to track this one down. TBD
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I think 'Wùlu' is a French-backed Malian film, shot in Senegal because of the security situation. French funding could result in a plethora of African films being ruled out.

http://www.noirfest.com/2016/News.asp?i ... 2&lang=eng
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RogerTheMovieManiac88 wrote: August 8th, 2022, 4:42 pm I think 'Wùlu' is a French-backed Malian film, shot in Senegal because of the security situation. French funding could result in a plethora of African films being ruled out.

http://www.noirfest.com/2016/News.asp?i ... 2&lang=eng
Yep, I ruled on this back during the French poll. Either way, not eligible for this one. :)
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beavis wrote: August 8th, 2022, 4:38 pm this will be the second poll, after NZ, that I will have to skip
I would only have 2 or 3 films by the Diop's on offer...
No worries. The last three countries of the year will be bigger ones and should elicit more participation. :)
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Fergenaprido wrote: August 8th, 2022, 4:44 pm
RogerTheMovieManiac88 wrote: August 8th, 2022, 4:42 pm I think 'Wùlu' is a French-backed Malian film, shot in Senegal because of the security situation. French funding could result in a plethora of African films being ruled out.

http://www.noirfest.com/2016/News.asp?i ... 2&lang=eng
Yep, I ruled on this back during the French poll. Either way, not eligible for this one. :)
I don't think anyone was going to vote for 'Wùlu' in a poll on French cinema, heehee. I'm just saying I'd have it as a Mali/France or France/Mali production rather than a France/Senegal one. It was shot in Senegal but it's a a Malian story.

I'd like to vote for it when we come to the Mali poll, but I'll make my case for it then. I agree that it shouldn't be eligible here.
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RogerTheMovieManiac88 wrote: August 8th, 2022, 4:54 pm
Fergenaprido wrote: August 8th, 2022, 4:44 pm
RogerTheMovieManiac88 wrote: August 8th, 2022, 4:42 pm I think 'Wùlu' is a French-backed Malian film, shot in Senegal because of the security situation. French funding could result in a plethora of African films being ruled out.

http://www.noirfest.com/2016/News.asp?i ... 2&lang=eng
Yep, I ruled on this back during the French poll. Either way, not eligible for this one. :)
I don't think anyone was going to vote for 'Wùlu' in a poll on French cinema, heehee. I'm just saying I'd have it as a Mali/France or France/Mali production rather than a France/Senegal one. It was shot in Senegal but it's a a Malian story.

I'd like to vote for it when we come to the Mali poll, but I'll make my case for it then. I agree that it shouldn't be eligible here.
I might have been the only one, then. :D

Maybe I'll revisit it when we have a poll that includes Mali, but for now I prefer to just kick it down the line until then. I dun wanna deal with it now. :ph43r: :thumbsup:
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Senegal is the African country I have seen the most from (even counting Egypt), but that still only amounts to 15 (more than half consists of Sembene films ..), of which two are favourites, and then we quickly get to good but not great territory. I'll add in two almost great films just to be able to submit a top 5:

1. Hyènes (1992, Djibril Diop Mambéty) 9/10
2. Camp de Thiaroye (1988, Ousmane Sembene, Thierno Faty Sow) 8.5/10
3. Atlantique (2019, Mati Diop) 8/10
4. Touki-Bouki (1973, Djibril Diop Mambéty) 7.5/10
5. Le franc (1994, Djibril Diop Mambéty)

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St. Gloede wrote: August 8th, 2022, 10:06 pm Senegal is the African country I have seen the most from (even counting Egypt), but that still only amounts to 15 (more than half consists of Sembene films ..)
That surprises me, I thought for sure you'd have seen a good number of Egyptian films over the years, but it's the same for me too. :D
Senegal (16 of which 5 are Sembene), Egypt (11) then South Africa (9).
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any thoughts on future countries?
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zomgmouse wrote: August 9th, 2022, 10:44 pm any thoughts on future countries?
viewtopic.php?p=735647#p735647

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Thanks for hosting, Fergenaprido.

Credit to Pretentious Hipster for the discovery of Mossane, otherwise my list is not too exciting:

1. Atlantique (2019, Mati Diop)
2. Camp de Thiaroye (1988, Ousmane Sembene, Thierno Faty Sow)
3. La noire de...(1966, Ousmane Sembene)
4. Hyènes (1992, Djibril Diop Mambéty)
5. Emitaï (1971, Ousmane Sembene)
6. Mossane (1996, Safi Faye)
7. Touki-Bouki (1973, Djibril Diop Mambéty)

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Taken from my master list here: https://letterboxd.com/zzzorf/list/sene ... es-ranked/

1. Moolaadé (2004)
2. La Noire de... (1966)
3. Grand comme le Baobab (2012)
4. Camp de Thiaroye (1988)
5. Touki-Bouki (1973)
6. Hyènes (1992)
7. Almodou (2002)
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Fergenaprido wrote: August 9th, 2022, 10:47 pm
zomgmouse wrote: August 9th, 2022, 10:44 pm any thoughts on future countries?
viewtopic.php?p=735647#p735647

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Oh wow I totally missed that post - thank you!
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zomgmouse wrote: August 10th, 2022, 5:11 am
Fergenaprido wrote: August 9th, 2022, 10:47 pm
zomgmouse wrote: August 9th, 2022, 10:44 pm any thoughts on future countries?
viewtopic.php?p=735647#p735647

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Oh wow I totally missed that post - thank you!
No problem. :)

I'll probably start asking for suggestions for 2023 around October, after the main forum poll and challenge schedules start to shape up, so be ready to let me know your opinions in that thread around that time.
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Fergenaprido wrote: August 10th, 2022, 5:24 am I'll probably start asking for suggestions for 2023 around October, after the main forum poll and challenge schedules start to shape up, so be ready to let me know your opinions in that thread around that time.
Sounds great! Will keep an eye out :)
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Senegal

01. Touki-Bouki
02. Félicité
03. Atlantique
04. La Petite Vedeuse du Soleil
05. La Noire de...
06. Guelwaar

Maybe there's an eligibility issue with Félicité ? The Senegalese production company was mentioned first at the films credits (which for me is decisive in my personal database), wikipedia calls it a Senegalese production. But it's maybe Congolese, Tanzanian or even just French...? In that case just ignore this title and move 3-6 one place up. edit I just noticed you've included that title yourself... :D
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Y U M E wrote: August 10th, 2022, 10:31 am Senegal

01. Touki-Bouki
02. Félicité
03. Atlantique
04. La Petite Vedeuse du Soleil
05. La Noire de...
06. Guelwaar

Maybe there's an eligibility issue with Félicité ? The Senegalese production company was mentioned first at the films credits (which for me is decisive in my personal database), wikipedia calls it a Senegalese production. But it's maybe Congolese, Tanzanian or even just French...? In that case just ignore this title and move 3-6 one place up. edit I just noticed you've included that title yourself... :D
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Yeah, it's a rare African film made by one country but taking place in another. Didn't realize it had so many countries listed, or that seemingly French companies are first on imdb, but when I saw it I definitely remember it being a Senegalese film. I saw it on a plane, though, so couldn't verify credits afterward (those screens are so small the credits are usually impossible to read). Digging a bit deeper it's a co-production mainly between France and Senegal, including from a French institute that specifically funds foreign filmmakers working with French producers, so I'm going to continue to consider it eligible. It's also making me rethink my Wúlu decision, but I'll deal with that later. :sweat_smile: :innocent:

And your URLs don't work Yume (do you mind if I don't put the spaces every time?).
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Fixed! Those where the MovieMeter codes, not imdb. I used the wrong column in my own spreadsheet... :blink:
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Only 385 movies from Senegal according to IMDb. I've seen 17. Only four of them I rated 8+. Not enough for me to participate.
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joachimt wrote: August 13th, 2022, 6:35 pm Only 385 movies from Senegal according to IMDb. I've seen 17. Only four of them I rated 8+. Not enough for me to participate.
Are you including shorts in your count of 17? I know people sometimes forget about them, but they are eligible for these polls.
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Fergenaprido wrote: August 13th, 2022, 7:36 pm
joachimt wrote: August 13th, 2022, 6:35 pm Only 385 movies from Senegal according to IMDb. I've seen 17. Only four of them I rated 8+. Not enough for me to participate.
Are you including shorts in your count of 17? I know people sometimes forget about them, but they are eligible for these polls.
Yes. I followed your link in the OP and also did an advanced search on IMDb myself (country =Senegal, Restrict to titles I've seen).
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01. La noire de... (1966)
02. Borom sarret (1963)
04. La petite vendeuse de soleil (1999)
03. Camp de Thiaroye (1988)
05. Touki-Bouki (1973)
06. Le franc (1994)
07. Guelwaar (1992)
08. Mandabi (1968)
09. Twist à Popenguine (1994)
10. Moolaadé (2004)
11. Contras' City (1969)
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joachimt wrote: August 14th, 2022, 3:12 pm
Fergenaprido wrote: August 13th, 2022, 7:36 pm
joachimt wrote: August 13th, 2022, 6:35 pm Only 385 movies from Senegal according to IMDb. I've seen 17. Only four of them I rated 8+. Not enough for me to participate.
Are you including shorts in your count of 17? I know people sometimes forget about them, but they are eligible for these polls.
Yes. I followed your link in the OP and also did an advanced search on IMDb myself (country =Senegal, Restrict to titles I've seen).
Well, at least you tried. :)

P.S. The link in the OP is an advanced search, so what you did you should have given the same results unless you also included tv-series and other formats that are excluded for this poll.
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Could we please have an eligibility ruling for The Price of Forgiveness/Ndeyassan? https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0305884/
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1. La noire de... (1966, Ousmane Sembene)
2. Hyènes (1992, Djibril Diop Mambety)
3. Mandabi (1968, Ousmane Sembene)
4. Atlantique (2019, Mati Diop)
5. Guelwaar (1992, Ousmane Sembene)
6. Moolaadé (2004, Ousmane Sembene)
7. Emitai (1971, Ousmane Sembene)
8. Tableau ferraille (1997, Moussa Sene Absa)
9. Camp de Thiaroye (1988, Ousmane Sembene)
10. Kaddu Beykat (1976, Safi Faye)
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zomgmouse wrote: August 22nd, 2022, 7:06 am Could we please have an eligibility ruling for The Price of Forgiveness/Ndeyassan? https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0305884/
Sorry for the delay, I missed this while I was on holidays.

Senegalese-French co-production, it is eligible for this poll.
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Fergenaprido wrote: September 8th, 2022, 11:02 pm
zomgmouse wrote: August 22nd, 2022, 7:06 am Could we please have an eligibility ruling for The Price of Forgiveness/Ndeyassan? https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0305884/
Sorry for the delay, I missed this while I was on holidays.

Senegalese-French co-production, it is eligible for this poll.
Great, thanks!
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Can't make a top 20 for Senegal, but I can piece together a top 10 and given that I doubt I'll see anything else before month's end, here's my measly list:

1. Xala (1975)
2. Manadabi (1968)
3. Saloum (2021)
4. Félicité (2017)
5. Hyenas (1992)
6. Black Girl (1966)
7. Borom Sarret (1963)
8. Le Franc (1994)
9. Atlantique (2019)
10. Ceddo (1977)

RANKED - though very hard decision between #s 1 and 2.
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Only a small list from me but I enjoyed exploring Senegalese cinema over these past few weeks. I'm looking forward to the results as I'll be happy to watch more in the future.

1. Hyenas
2. Moolaade
3. Black Girl
4. Saloum
5. Camp De Thiaroye
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airdolll wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 12:24 am I have the exact same top 3 as filmbantha :thumbsup:
Nice list! :cheers: I'll be sure to check out the rest of your list i have yet to see
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