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3x3 films get automatic preference when sorted, and we try to make sure each is included in a slate.

Once these films are sorted the remaining slots per slate will be decided by us, and there are many different ways to do this. The average is usually not necessarily that important in this process, though it can play a part. For instance, if an animated film has 2x3, 1x2 2x1, while another has 2x3, 2x2 1x1 the latter will be picked as it just has stronger support.
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sol wrote: August 6th, 2022, 9:56 am Okay, here's something that I have been wondering, and which would be good to know moving forward:

When selecting films for the other (non-main) slates, is the main thing taken into account the average juror score or the total number of points? I have a heap of films that I have been reluctant to nominate since I know that they would get some instant 1/3 votes, but if the average doesn't matter, maybe it's better to nominate stuff that my fellow jurors thought was above-average as opposed to stuff they haven't seen and might not get to see by the deadline...
You could always share your potential nominations list with us and ask for feedback prior to nominating films to gauge potential interest and/or clarify scores from those who have seen the films.
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filmbantha wrote: August 6th, 2022, 11:21 am You could always share your potential nominations list with us and ask for feedback prior to nominating films to gauge potential interest and/or clarify scores from those who have seen the films.
Well, okay. These are the films that I have potentially lined up for my remaining nominations, but I also have a Latin American animated movie (among other films) left to see, so no guarantee that I would nominate any of these. I've included ratings garnered through Letterboxd. I'm also reluctant to nominate comedies since they are the most divisive genre, but we'll see.

Homewrecker (2019) Horror [Tom 3.5] comedy
Satanic Panic (2019) Horror [Tom3.5] comedy
The Dude in Me (2019) Asia []
The Duke (2020) Europe [] may be over 10k votes soonish
Hunted (2020) Horror, Europe [Onder3.5] [Tom 3.0]
Shorta (2020) Europe []
Little Joe (2019) Europe, Horror [beavis3.5]
French Exit (2020) Indie []
Greener Grass (2019) Indie [Onder 4.0] [Tom 3.0] [beavis 3.5]
The Forest of Love (2019) Asia [Onder 4.5] [Tom 2.5]
Sleepless Beauty (2020) Horror, Europe [Onder 4.0] [beavis 2.5]

Basically, all of these films are either not seen by another programmer or have some sort of handicap (and yes, a 3.5 from beavis is a handicap ;)).
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Greener Grass was sort of fun, just not very memorable. Little Joe was a dissapointment from a director i expected much more from. Fun i can support ;)
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beavis wrote: August 6th, 2022, 2:22 pm Greener Grass was sort of fun, just not very memorable. Little Joe was a dissapointment from a director i expected much more from. Fun i can support ;)
Thanks, that's interesting to know, especially since your 3.5 ratings can result in anything from a 3/3 (Bombay Rose) to a 1/3 (Little Joe). I guess I try to be a bit flexible in my ratings too in terms of trying to support unrepresented countries etc., but I'm probably most sticking to a direct translation between my star rating and programmer scores for the sake of simplicity.

Regarding Greener Grass, the other thing that concerns me is that it's only really eligible for the Indie slate, which is already overcrowded as is. In fact, I have lately been trying to altogether avoid nominating films only eligible for Indie or Europe since they are currently the most overrepresented slates.
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sol wrote: August 6th, 2022, 12:54 pm
filmbantha wrote: August 6th, 2022, 11:21 am You could always share your potential nominations list with us and ask for feedback prior to nominating films to gauge potential interest and/or clarify scores from those who have seen the films.
Well, okay. These are the films that I have potentially lined up for my remaining nominations, but I also have a Latin American animated movie (among other films) left to see, so no guarantee that I would nominate any of these. I've included ratings garnered through Letterboxd. I'm also reluctant to nominate comedies since they are the most divisive genre, but we'll see.

Homewrecker (2019) Horror [Tom 3.5] comedy
Satanic Panic (2019) Horror [Tom3.5] comedy
The Dude in Me (2019) Asia []
The Duke (2020) Europe [] may be over 10k votes soonish
Hunted (2020) Horror, Europe [Onder3.5] [Tom 3.0]
Shorta (2020) Europe []
Little Joe (2019) Europe, Horror [beavis3.5]
French Exit (2020) Indie []
Greener Grass (2019) Indie [Onder 4.0] [Tom 3.0] [beavis 3.5]
The Forest of Love (2019) Asia [Onder 4.5] [Tom 2.5]
Sleepless Beauty (2020) Horror, Europe [Onder 4.0] [beavis 2.5]

Basically, all of these films are either not seen by another programmer or have some sort of handicap (and yes, a 3.5 from beavis is a handicap ;)).
I take a similar stance to Beavis in that my ratings don't always necessarily translate to the same score from a programming perspective. I can sometimes be more forgiving with borderline cases if I feel like they would be a good fit for the festival. Here are my scores if you were to nominate any of the above:

Homewrecker 3
Satanic Panic 3
Hunted 2
Greener Grass 2
The Forest of Love 0

I have done a quick search on the above potential noms that I haven't seen yet and it looks like they would all be available for me to watch if you chose them. I'm not promising that I will definitely watch every one, I have a lot lined up still to watch, but they are at least available and I will try to see everything I can.
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528. Internet Superior (2021) 7.0
534. Cinema Rengeteg - Mindenhol látlak (2021) 7.5
542. Cinema Hogar (2019) 7.5

As promised I wouldn't wait to long with my final nomination. Superior sadly didn't do it for me. Then I saw the new Fliegauf in cinema which has a lot going for it... but the content is not quite there for me (and it being Europe and 2021 it is far from a priority for this). But today I saw a very small gem from Argentina, Maternal, that even while it got a special mention at Locarno is bound to slip through the cracks, so... I found my pick!

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The rest of my day was, coincidentally, spend watching FFF nominations!

538. Internet Hai phuong (2019) 5.5
539. Internet Buoyancy (2019) 7.0
540. Internet Hotel Poseidon (2021) 8.0
541. Cinema Dinner in America (2020) 7.5

The very first time I saw a Lê Văn Kiệt movie, was when he brought his Dostojevsky adaptation Gentle to the IFFR (and an excelent adaptation too, I haven't seen a bad adaptation of that short story anyway, both Mani Kaul's and Bresson's versions are all time favorite masterpieces, every filmmaker should maybe do that story once :)) Then earlier this year he came back on my radar with a kind of Disney/fantasy version of a Raid-type movie with Princess which I thought was an excellent idea for a high concept, even though it's the unexpected opposite in style and content to that earlier movie, and he pulled it off allright to.... then Furie got nominated, so, that got me very interested indeed. Another high concept movie, maybe even more of an algorithm product, but if he pulls it off again, and with the possibility of something hard hitting from Asia to go beyond what Disney will do, that would be very cool right? Sadly, wrong. This one is weak on all counts, except maybe in the action department, but even there I found some continuity fuck ups annoying. Story is derivitive and badly written, acting is very broad, but meant to be taken seriously, lighting and production design is too glossy... It does entertain (I am easily entertained) so it is not the total trainwreck as I maybe make it sound, but I can't understand why a movie like this was considered as a serious option. a hard 0 for me.

Buoyancy is a very simple movie. It is based on a real-life thing that makes you think this is a movie that will have "something to say", but the premise is used just to set up a movie about a boy who is thrown in a bad situation and who will soldier on through. The fact that he's going to make it, and how the action beats will probably play out is something that becomes clear very early on in the movie. That said, I think it was done ok. And the movie looks alright. So I was easily pleased. I think I should give it a 1 in support, but I can see this one being liked much more by others than by me, so a 2 would be alright too.

Hotel Poseidon had me... confused? I don't know. If I had only seen the final half hour or so, where the movie becomes realy dilerious and some very cool music choices are made, I would have thought that the movie had been made for me specifically and it would have been love at first sight. But the hour that comes before is kind of a slow burn where all the grotesque aspects (the movie goes for gross straight out of the gate) is played only for comedy. And done in a theatrical style that I sometimes like but can also easily dislike when hope for something more real, or more disturbing or more stylish. Or when what is presented is something I just don't fully expect. So I was kinda watching it and thinking about how I would have made other choices, maybe... but then the movie suddenly, or subtely, slips into a gear that is totally my tempo... it left me confused on how I liked it, but clear on the fact that this is something special. I love movies that can shake me up a bit. It is not a love at first sight cult masterpiece for me, but a very solid oddity that I love to revisit not too far down the line. Must give it a 3

Then I went to the cinema for a Dinner in America and Maternal double bill. Dinner in America is a true American Indie, so that's cool. It's one in the comedy genre, so it has those larger than life quirky characters that are never fuly believable but manage to strike a chord anyway. Here we have a punk singer with anger management issues, so people interested in real punk music might feel offended if they take the setting too seriously. He hooks up with a bit of a weird girl who at first look might be too goofy or nerdy, but you can guess that she of course is ...
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... I thought the acting choices made for her character made her adorable, and the entire movie work in the process, because the attitude of the male lead (acted well though, that was not a problem) is "a bit much" and not always judged very well in tone. In some scenes that is, because in the end the role does kind of work and the dynamic between the two leads too. So, for a comedy in the typical Indie style (nothing really transgresive or emotionally resonant here) I thought the tone didn't always work, but it did make for interesting characters and on the whole it is very memorable and entertaining (the people at my screening clearly enjoyed it too). I rounded my personal rating from a 7 up to a 7.5 and for the spreadsheat I might aswell go with a 3 then, but with some reservations, so a 2 might actually be a better choice.

Maternal is the movie that made me feel the most today, was written and played out in a very well observed way and, although it hasn't got the bonus points for oddness, grotesquerie and confusing power that Hotel Poseidon got from me, I think it might actually be the best movie of the day. Almost an 8 rating and obviously a 3 for the spreadsheet.
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Beavis, just came accross the movie Mamá, mamá, mamá (2020) and it intrigues me. I noticed that you had seen it and enjoyed it and wanted to get your opinion before I put a rush on to watch it. The first thing would you think it may be something that works for me or is it to much in an arty realm that I will struggle? Then what would be your opinion Festivalwise for it? Just trying to work out how much of a priority to make it.
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zzzorf wrote: August 6th, 2022, 10:12 pm Beavis, just came accross the movie Mamá, mamá, mamá (2020) and it intrigues me. I noticed that you had seen it and enjoyed it and wanted to get your opinion before I put a rush on to watch it. The first thing would you think it may be something that works for me or is it to much in an arty realm that I will struggle? Then what would be your opinion Festivalwise for it? Just trying to work out how much of a priority to make it.
It's a small movie with a great visual style that made me think of photography (is what I wrote in my notes :)), which is suitable to the movie as that felt very much to be in a nostalgic memory mode... very arthousy and small indeed. Maybe that's why it fell through the cracks when I filtered everything I could consider for the festival...? It could have easily been one of my nominations! ... but then this one might be to slight and obscure for you or indeed any of the other programmers to like...

But it's short, so just put it one while having breakfast and enjoy it without thinking too hard about what it is you're watching :) It will be an enjoyable experience at least.
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beavis wrote: August 6th, 2022, 10:24 pm
zzzorf wrote: August 6th, 2022, 10:12 pm Beavis, just came accross the movie Mamá, mamá, mamá (2020) and it intrigues me. I noticed that you had seen it and enjoyed it and wanted to get your opinion before I put a rush on to watch it. The first thing would you think it may be something that works for me or is it to much in an arty realm that I will struggle? Then what would be your opinion Festivalwise for it? Just trying to work out how much of a priority to make it.
It's a small movie with a great visual style that made me think of photography (is what I wrote in my notes :)), which is suitable to the movie as that felt very much to be in a nostalgic memory mode... very arthousy and small indeed. Maybe that's why it fell through the cracks when I filtered everything I could consider for the festival...? It could have easily been one of my nominations! ... but then this one might be to slight and obscure for you or indeed any of the other programmers to like...

But it's short, so just put it one while having breakfast and enjoy it without thinking too hard about what it is you're watching :) It will be an enjoyable experience at least.
Thanks. I will source it and give it a go. I have one nomination left up my sleeve and if the current African one I'm watching "Papicha" doesn't suit I might give it a priority, if not I will at least have it to watch ready for next year's festival where it is still eligible.
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Love Papicha, that would get full support from me too ;)
(although love might be the wrong word for it, there is some hard hitting stuff in there)
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filmbantha wrote: August 6th, 2022, 6:01 pm I have done a quick search on the above potential noms that I haven't seen yet and it looks like they would all be available for me to watch if you chose them. I'm not promising that I will definitely watch every one, I have a lot lined up still to watch, but they are at least available and I will try to see everything I can.
Thanks - and it's good to know your potential ratings for the films that I am considering nominating.
beavis wrote: August 6th, 2022, 10:04 pmI can't understand why a movie like this was considered as a serious option. a hard 0 for me.
I thought it would nice to have some Vietnamese representation in the Asian slate since it is not one of the bigger film-producing nations from the region. And it's a reasonably slick and well-filmed movie, proving that Vietnam can do its own Taken or John Wick sort of thing. It's definitely quite different to other stuff that springs to mind that I have seen from Vietnam (including other films by its director) and in a good sort of way. But was I expecting you to like it? No. I knew that Wayne was a fan, and it seemed a potential good pick for Tom and Niels, but yeah, not you specifically if that makes sense.
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Updated list, including the beavis 3 for Dinner in America:

Potential Juror/Main Slate List:
1. Marygoround (Maryjki) [2020]
2. Bad Luck Banging or Loony Porn (Babardeala cu bucluc sau porno balamuc) [2021]
3. Wheel of Fortune and Fantasy (Gûzen to sôzô) [2021]
4. Summer of 85 (Été 85) [2020]
5. Mad God [2021]
6. It Must Be Heaven [2019]
7. Caught in the Net (V síti) [2020]
8. The Sadness (Ku Bei) [2021]
9. New Order (Nuevo Orden) [2020]
10. Adam [2019]
11. The Long Walk (Bor Mi Vanh Chark) [2019]
12. Bye Bye Morons (Adieu Les Cons) [2020]
13. Nitram [2021]
14. The Innocents (De uskyldige) [2021]
15. Wolf [2021]
16. Adoration [2019]
17. After Love [2020]
18. Twilight's Kiss [2019]
19. Matthias and Maxime [2019]
20. Just Don't Think I'll Scream [2019]
21. Beyond the Infinite Two Minutes [2020]
22. Midnight [2021]
23. Buoyancy [2019]
24. Dinner in America [2020]
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Watched a Tom nom:

12 Hour Shift (2020)

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Harvesting organs on the side, a broke nurse experiences a hellish shift when a kidney goes missing and a brainless relative tries to harvest a replacement one in this horror-ish comedy. This is a difficult film to get into at first since all the characters are obnoxious, particularly Chloe Farnworth as the brainless "cousin". Things really take off though as Farnworth disguises herself as a nurse and begins murdering unsuspecting patients to get another kidney. There is a lot of craziness in the mix and the film generally clicks as a look at how stressful a long a shift at any workplace can be. Great music score too. 3/3
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Updated list:

Potential Juror/Main Slate List:
1. Marygoround (Maryjki) [2020]
2. Bad Luck Banging or Loony Porn (Babardeala cu bucluc sau porno balamuc) [2021]
3. Wheel of Fortune and Fantasy (Gûzen to sôzô) [2021]
4. Summer of 85 (Été 85) [2020]
5. Mad God [2021]
6. It Must Be Heaven [2019]
7. Caught in the Net (V síti) [2020]
8. The Sadness (Ku Bei) [2021]
9. New Order (Nuevo Orden) [2020]
10. Adam [2019]
11. The Long Walk (Bor Mi Vanh Chark) [2019]
12. Bye Bye Morons (Adieu Les Cons) [2020]
13. Nitram [2021]
14. The Innocents (De uskyldige) [2021]
15. Wolf [2021]
16. Adoration [2019]
17. After Love [2020]
18. Twilight's Kiss [2019]
19. Matthias and Maxime [2019]
20. Just Don't Think I'll Scream [2019]
21. Beyond the Infinite Two Minutes [2020]
22. Midnight [2021]
23. Buoyancy [2019]
24. Dinner in America [2020]
25. 12 Hour Shift [2020]
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Adam (2019)

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This does not really go in any unexpected directions as the two women eventually bond and become good friends and ultimately end up helping each other out. And yet, if predictable, this is a pleasant viewing experience all the same, very much focused on the possibilities for women to make it in the world without relying on men. There are also some truly heart-warming moments involving the widow's precocious daughter, while the deliberate framing is often on-point (not seeing her potential employer in the opening scene). Especially interesting about is the pregnant woman's utter determination to have the baby, give it up for adoption and return home to "forget" about it and try to get married and carry on with her life - a conviction that gets tested. 3/3
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sol wrote: August 7th, 2022, 2:10 am [
beavis wrote: August 6th, 2022, 10:04 pmI can't understand why a movie like this was considered as a serious option. a hard 0 for me.
I thought it would nice to have some Vietnamese representation in the Asian slate since it is not one of the bigger film-producing nations from the region. And it's a reasonably slick and well-filmed movie, proving that Vietnam can do its own Taken or John Wick sort of thing. It's definitely quite different to other stuff that springs to mind that I have seen from Vietnam (including other films by its director) and in a good sort of way. But was I expecting you to like it? No. I knew that Wayne was a fan, and it seemed a potential good pick for Tom and Niels, but yeah, not you specifically if that makes sense.
I was fully expecting to like it, it seems like you chose to ignore that whole paragraph i wrote, wtf
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beavis wrote: August 7th, 2022, 6:59 am
sol wrote: August 7th, 2022, 2:10 am [
beavis wrote: August 6th, 2022, 10:04 pmI can't understand why a movie like this was considered as a serious option. a hard 0 for me.
I thought it would nice to have some Vietnamese representation in the Asian slate since it is not one of the bigger film-producing nations from the region. And it's a reasonably slick and well-filmed movie, proving that Vietnam can do its own Taken or John Wick sort of thing. It's definitely quite different to other stuff that springs to mind that I have seen from Vietnam (including other films by its director) and in a good sort of way. But was I expecting you to like it? No. I knew that Wayne was a fan, and it seemed a potential good pick for Tom and Niels, but yeah, not you specifically if that makes sense.
I was fully expecting to like it, it seems like you chose to ignore that whole paragraph i wrote, wtf
I was responding to your point of confusion ("I can't understand why a movie like this was considered as a serious option"). :shrug: I appreciate that you approached the film with some anticipation, but since high octane action doesn't seem to be your thing, it's not a movie that I would have specifically recommend for you. In short, to me this was in fact a serious option, because I saw the film potentially getting a 3 from Tom, Niels and/or Wayne.

But then I guess it depends on whether you're confused about why I nominated or confused about why I liked it. If it's "why I liked it" which is confusing, these are two reviews for the film that I logged on Letterboxd - https://letterboxd.com/solh/film/furie/reviews/ - not a perfect movie but certainly something really interesting to emerge from Vietnam.
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Great to see two more films make the 3x3 cut.

I caught Outside Noise yesterday, and while I really enjoyed many of the scenes and the overall aesthetics it felt like it didn't quite know what it wanted to be. At its best it is a look at a wayward summer with a gentle, earnest simplicity. It reminded me of early Angela Schanelec, especially I Stayed in Berlin All Summer, Jon Jost and with touches of Rohmer - especially the shots in parks and nature - so a lot of relative strengths - but with its rushed and short New York opening (which I thought would have more to do with the film) the best I can think of is that it is a look at unease during the times when you have little to do, i.e. summer vacation blues and unease with being alone with one's self (or just general waywardness) - a bit like one of my all-time favourite films The Green Ray - but it didn't come together for me. The lo-fi aesthetics is something I can see Beavis really loving though (with many nominees this year and last kinda fitting into these aesthetics, and I did not quite love any of them either, unfortunately - the biggest success for me in this region of cinema being the more stylized The Girl and the Spider). That said, I did enjoy it from start to finish and at times I did consider 2/3 rather than 1/3. Perfectly good, just a little too light.

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In terms of Sol's request above, I have seen The Duke and The Forest of Love. The Duke is a perfectly cute and well done British comedy with great actors putting in nice turns. It's one of those "jolly good" feel-good films with working-class and eccentric sympathies. I would only give it a 1/3 for the purposes of this festival, but it is very likeable. Forest of Love is a film I really like - essentially a remix of many of Sono's greatest hits (and that works out well for me as I love Sono) and could give 2 or 3 (strong 7.5 for me) I might lean 2 however just because of the length and wanting to keep the slates as appealing as possible.
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Just watched La traversée
Love the fairytale like structure and storytelling, which makes the movie stand out from those other animated refugee drama's that are (seemingly) more autobiographical in nature. The art stands out too, so together they made this véry close to an 8 for me. Ironically it is also the fairytale handling of such an actual acute phenomenon in Europe that somehow keeps me too much on an emotional distance to fully love it right out of the gates, but it is a lovely movie that I'm sure will stay with me. Especially loved the bird motives sprinkled throughout as they are linked to East European fairytales, but also we have selected quite a few movies about birds this time around! :)
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So after watching Adam earlier today, it seemed logical to follow with Adan. Or not. :ermm:

Adan (2019)

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Two childhood friends go on the run after killing one of their fathers in this Filipino drama that is unfortunately less engaging than it sounds. At its best, this is a near-nightmarish paranoia tale with the daughter imagining her father's voice and experiencing bad dreams. For the most part though, the film is simply a lesbian love story, though the film is not really totally about that either as her friend's work troubles come into play too and so on and so on.

I actually thought for the most part that I was going to give this a 2/3, but then that ending came and left a real sour taste in my mouth. Oh, the final shot/image is excellent, but the exposition dump right before really rubbed me the wrong way, so I can only give this mild support, 1/3 from me.
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So, I just watched an animated film from Latin America. I liked it enough to give it a 3/3 and I am tempted to nominate it because the potential Animation slate is really slim at the moment, and the Latin American slate is far slimmer than Europe and Asia. I'm a bit reluctant to though because I'm not sure it would find support among the other programmers. It's a film rich in sci-fi ideas, so maybe up Tom's avenue, but the animation style is very crude, which would probably be a turn-off to most. If anyone has any advice of whether to proceed with nominating or not, let me know. Basically, I don't see the film getting any other 3s, but if it gets enough 1s and 2s, it could get enough support to make it in, I don't know. The film is Lava - currently streaming on Tubi.
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Give it a shot, looks less crude that many of the other animated options. I'll likely give it a chance and I gave Cryptozoo 2/3.

Note that 5 animated films are at 2x3 or more right now.

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St. Gloede wrote: August 7th, 2022, 1:33 pm Give it a shot, looks less crude that many of the other animated options. I'll likely give it a chance and I gave Cryptozoo 2/3.

Note that 5 animated films are at 2x3 or more right now.
I'll think about it. If the animation slate is only going to have 4-5 nominees and enough films already qualify to make it in, I don't know if my nominating of anything else would be particularly productive.

Do all slates now have a reasonable number of qualifying nominations? Not sure what the cut-off is.

I'm thinking that I might stop specifically watching docs, Latin American films, LGBT films and animated films now if all of the slates have enough candidates already. It might be nicer to just watch what I feel like and if anything great happens to qualify then so be it, otherwise I'll pick and choose from the potential options I outlined above right before the end of the month.

I do have a question though about the female director 25% target; is there more chance of my nominees being successful if they could help us to reach the desired quota?
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3x3 is qualifying, 2x3 + other votes is to decide the rest of the slates. There's still just one animated film, one African film, one Latin American film and two Documentaries that have qualified.
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The 25% target for Female Directors is just me throwing out a number, I can't actually remember what our intended target was originally.
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Yeah, there's no specific cutoffs for the individual slates. The "3x3 qualifying" essentially means these are the films that we will send to the jury to vote on for the main slate. These films are also highly likely to get into the festival in other slates if they don't make the main slate, but there will be room for non-qualifying films too.

I think it would be nice to have at least 2 films from each slate eligible for the jury vote, but it's not essential.

And yes, there was no female-directed quota, nor a target. It was just a way for us to acknowledge that films directed by women weren't really being watched by programmers, and so for us to make a concerted effort to seek out and hopefully nominate them for the festival.

As for Lava, I would have given it a go since it's only 67 minutes (well, 74 actually, imdb is shorter than tubi for some reason), but it's an English dub on there and I'd rather watch the original Spanish version. Can't find it anywhere else, and JustWatch is linking to the Disney/Pixar short instead of the feature film.
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A couple of days back I watched Night of Kings. A very unique film in the way it presented the prison and the mythism/magic realism. It will be a great addition to the African slate. 3
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Amazing, Zzzorf and that means we finally have 4 African films at 2x3 or better.

Adam 4x3 1x2
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Night of the Kings 2x3 2x1
This is My Desire 2x3 1x2 1x0
Fried Barry 2x3 2x2 1x1 1x0
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Thanks for the replies everyone. And yes, I watched the English dub of Lava. It's always my first preference to watch a film in its original language, but as I have stated in the past elsewhere, I will watch a dub if I can't find another version of a given film (just like I'll watch a pan-and-scan if no widescreen prints of certain films are out there, etc.). If it helps to know, the English voice cast do very well -- just the animated lips do not always match-up, though it is very low-fi animation, so maybe the lips were never perfectly in sync in the first place.

The big thing for me with Lava is that I can see it getting some 1s and 2s, but not full marks from anyone. If anybody happens to watch it and would be prepared to 3 it, I will nominate it though. Otherwise, I'll only nominate it if I have spare slots at the end of the month (which is probably likely at this stage). It's possible though that I like the diversity of Lava (Latin American animation) more than the film itself. And I'd rather folks sought out Official Competition or Sundown of the Latin American stuff I have nominated already.

That said, I've found something else that I'm prepared to nominate. :shifty:

- PRO: It's the type of family and kids drama that I could Wayne giving a 3 to (and it's currently streaming on SBS On Demand)
- NEUTRAL: It's from a female director (though maybe this is a pro if it gives it further consideration for diversity)
- CON: It's probably only eligible for the English Language Independents slate, which is massively overcrowded as is

I'll present the film in my next post to avoid overcrowding this message.
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Twentieth nomination:

20. Lorelei (2020, Sabrina Doyle, United States) [female director]

:ICM: https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/lorelei-2020/
:imdb: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6461318/reference/
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Preferred slate: English Language Indi --- Alternative slate: LGBTIQ+ (?) *

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Released from prison after fifteen years, a remorseful armed robber reunites with his former girlfriend who now has three kids in this nicely understated and down-to-earth indie drama. Pablo Schreiber is excellent in the lead role as he gradually processes the fact that his girlfriend is now a mother and slowly warms towards her kids. His internal strife is heartfelt, knowing her kids are not his and recalling how he originally wanted to start his own family with her. He has other issues too though, including trouble with his employer and dealing with his girlfriend's mood swings. The three child actors are really good and their eventual, uneasy bonding with Schreiber always feels very real. The film's deliberate bluish exterior colour scheme works very well too.

Currently streaming on SBS On Demand in Australia.

* I would probably classify this as a minor LGBT interest film. One of the kids is a biologically male child who constantly dresses and acts like a girl, though the term transgender is never floated. The kid is ultimately more of a supporting player as this is more a film about her mother and the mother's boyfriend, but if others think it is a prominent enough subplot, maybe this could be considered for the queer slate. I haven't ticked the LGBT box on the spreadsheet.
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Just watched:

Fourteen (2019)

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I don't think I should have watched this film about first world characters and their first world problems after a stressful day at work, and I own that. I should have seen it under better circumstances. On the plus side, I liked the structure (gradually learning more and more about the quirky friend with each interaction) though I must not have been paying full attention since I was surprised to learn afterwards that the film is apparently set over an entire decade. Were it not for her daughter growing bigger, I would have thought a few months? I don't know. I think my mind wandered quite a bit during all of the lengthy convos (and there are many here) but I appreciated that final bedtime story, that I was a blast, and I really wish that I could score this higher.
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An eligible African film has just dropped on Mubi (at least in Australia, maybe other places too). Not really a high priority for me :unsure: but others who are looking to find African candidates might be interested in watching it and reporting back to us. :shifty:

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Watched Furie, it gets mild (1/3) support from me:

A pretty decent action flick from Vietnam, but the new Ong-Bak this is not. Veronica Ngo does well as an ass-kicking mom and the pacing is perfectly pleasant, it's just that the film fails to raise any bars. The neon-drenched second half doesn't really make much of a difference in that, though it does raise the overall appeal ever so slightly. Ngo does well and comes off as a formidable force, without appearing too overpowered. The action choreography is rather basic though and the editing/camera work could've been a bit tighter. This keeps the film from standing out, turning it into a pleasant but somewhat inconspicuous action brawler. Not bad, but nothing too memorable.
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Thanks, Onder. Nice to have your support. I can also offer mild support for this nomination of yours that I just saw:

The Falls (2021)

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I was loving this film at first due to its embracement of the fact that it is set in pandemic times. It is a bit of a pet peeve of mine with how so many recent films totally ignore the fact that the pandemic is still raging, so a film full of characters doing iso, wearing face masks and socially distancing was really up my alleyway. That said, once I got over the setting and once Covid became a less prominent plot point, my interest significantly waned. I was never too invested in the mother's mysterious illness (though I did briefly wonder if it was an effect of long Covid) and the daughter's sharp 180 degree turn from bratty and standoffish to selfless caregiver was a little too jarring for my taste. But yeah, great Covid times representation and tangible fears of infections etc. The film has some very nice shots with blue filters too, though I couldn't find any in the right aspect ratio (the above was the closest I could find). 1/3
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Nomination #30

Papicha (2019)

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Preferred Slate: Africa

Alternate Slate: N/A

Director: Mounia Meddour

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IMDb Plot Summary: In 1997 Algiersm terrorists wanting an archaic Islamic state are everywhere. They oppress women, determined to control their bodies, clothing, and public space. Young student Nedjma is passionate about creating a fashion show.

Wikipedia Information: Papicha is a 2019 internationally co-produced drama film directed by Mounia Meddour. It was screened in the Un Certain Regard section at the 2019 Cannes Film Festival. It was selected as the Algerian entry for the Best International Feature Film at the 92nd Academy Awards, but it was not nominated.

My Two Cents: For my last nomination of the year I was able to find one more African Film, and which is both a 2019 film so therefore in its last year of eligibility, and female-directed thus giving us a bit more representation. In fact I find it interesting that my two strongest African nominations (well in least my eyes) of the 5 I did this year (they were the first and last of the slate for me incidentely) are both Female-Directed films from Northern Africa, that were their countries submissions to the 92nd Academy Awards for Best International Feature and appeared in the Un-Certain Regard section of the 2019 Cannes Festival, and are both strong female-led dramas of how they are fighting against their supression in their respective countries. It is so great the female voice is now being heard so strong and even in countries like these they are gaining their independence. Film is such a great artform isn't it.


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It is
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Amazing to see another African nominee! Will make it a top priority.

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Btw, on the topic of another slim slate, Animation: Onderhonds I noticed you have Children of the Sea as one of your favourite films. Any reasons why you did not nominate it? I think you catch quite a few visually interesting animated films as well, so if there's anything you loved that hasn't been nominated yet, bring it on.
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St. Gloede wrote: August 10th, 2022, 6:39 am Amazing to see another African nominee! Will make it a top priority.

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Btw, on the topic of another slim slate, Animation: Onderhonds I noticed you have Children of the Sea as one of your favourite films. Any reasons why you did not nominate it? I think you catch quite a few visually interesting animated films as well, so if there's anything you loved that hasn't been nominated yet, bring it on.
If that's the one with the girl at the aquarium on the poster with all the sea life behind her, I'm interested in seeing that one. I'm also going to try and track down the chimney one (Poupelle) next month.
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Sorry I've been a little lax on the iCM, Letterboxd and PTP lists but they are all up to date again for whoever uses them.

Also I want to thank Gloede and sol for keeping the qualified noms list up to date as well, it will make Beavis's job easier when he does the Juror post next month. I have just tidied it up as the most recent movies where missing their original title's in brackets.

Potential Juror/Main Slate List:
1. Marygoround (Maryjki) [2020]
2. Bad Luck Banging or Loony Porn (Babardeala cu bucluc sau porno balamuc) [2021]
3. Wheel of Fortune and Fantasy (Gûzen to sôzô) [2021]
4. Summer of 85 (Été 85) [2020]
5. Mad God [2021]
6. It Must Be Heaven [2019]
7. Caught in the Net (V síti) [2020]
8. The Sadness (Ku Bei) [2021]
9. New Order (Nuevo Orden) [2020]
10. Adam [2019]
11. The Long Walk (Bor Mi Vanh Chark) [2019]
12. Bye Bye Morons (Adieu Les Cons) [2020]
13. Nitram [2021]
14. The Innocents (De uskyldige) [2021]
15. Wolf [2021]
16. Adoration [2019]
17. After Love [2020]
18. Twilight's Kiss (Suk Suk) [2019]
19. Matthias and Maxime (Matthias et Maxime) [2019]
20. Just Don't Think I'll Scream (Ne croyez surtout pas que je hurle) [2019]
21. Beyond the Infinite Two Minutes (Droste no hate de bokura) [2020]
22. Midnight [2021]
23. Buoyancy [2019]
24. Dinner in America [2020]
25. 12 Hour Shift [2020]


Edit: I just did a quick calculation and we have a great mix of the years after the initial worry of no 2019 films. 2019 and 2021 both have 8 qualified, 2020 has 9.
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