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iCM Forum's Favorite Director's Swan songs: Preparation topic

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Next month the poll for our favorite director swan song, i.e. the final movie directed by a director, will be held. To prepare for this I thought it would be useful to make a master list of eligible movies. So I went ahead and started one by reusing Ferge's spreadsheet for the debut poll. I used these criteria, partly based on our Director's debuts poll. These criteria are up to debate of course.

Criteria:
  • It has to be the final movie directed by a director, not the last one (posthumously) released.
  • Only feature movies of 40 minutes or more
  • Tv movies, straight-to-video/streaming service movies are allowed
  • Co-directions are eligible
  • Anthology films (aka omnibus film) consisting of segments by different directors are not eligible
So far I only checked final movies by deceased directors. An not yet by retired ones, because those are more uncertain. Cause too often directors come back after announcing their retirement, see Soderbergh or Miyazaki. Even so final works by directors that have definitely retired are also eligible. It's just harder to determine when a director has, but I'm sure we can do so together.

Here is the master list spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
Legenda: Marked Red are directors that are still active. Green ones that have died and orange that have (most probably) retired. Orange movies are ones I'm not completely sure about
And on :imdb:: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls560861521/

You can all help in compiling this list! You can help by either commenting in the spreadsheet (I hope that works) or by making a post here, preferably with the full name of the director, movie title and IMDb link. You can also post your own IMDb or ICM List already, I will check that one for missing movies. Your help is of course much appreciated! As you all hopefully understand it will take me too much time and effort to check close to 4700 directors by myself alone. Of course please also let me know if I made any mistakes in the list.
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One I'm in doubt about, and might also set some future similar debates.

Frank Borzage: Antinea, l'amante della città sepolta (1961). Wiki says: "Frank Borzage was slated to direct the film and began production but left due to an illness and was replaced with Edgar G. Ulmer." Does this one count? Or is The Big Fisherman his final movie?
What to do with movies that a director started, but didn't finish and was replaced at. Or should we just go case by case on these?
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Are films by deceased directors with only one feature-directorial credit allowed?
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Wolfgang Reitherman: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0718627/
Currently listed for DTV Monster Hits (1987) (TV), described by IMDb as "A Halloween special featuring appropriately-themed rock and roll songs set to scenes from the Disney library of classic animation."
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1317476/
He is listed by IMDb as one of 23 directors of "original material" for this special. It sounds like the makers of the special just used footage from films Reitherman (who died in 1985) had previously directed.

I believe a more appropriate swansong for him would be The Rescuers (1977). https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076618/
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TraverseTown wrote: May 15th, 2022, 3:08 pm Are films by deceased directors with only one feature-directorial credit allowed?
Personally, I would support allowing them.
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Lonewolf2003 wrote: May 15th, 2022, 1:21 pm One I'm in doubt about, and might also set some future similar debates.

Frank Borzage: Antinea, l'amante della città sepolta (1961). Wiki says: "Frank Borzage was slated to direct the film and began production but left due to an illness and was replaced with Edgar G. Ulmer." Does this one count? Or is The Big Fisherman his final movie?
What to do with movies that a director started, but didn't finish and was replaced at. Or should we just go case by case on these?
I personally think it would make sense to only admit those works where the director was fully involved in the creative process to the end. In some cases like Welles, who left a number of unfinished projects, some tackled later by other directors afterwards, I think this rule is specially necessary.
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Some extra swansongs:

Lindsay Anderson- Is That All There Is? https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4400360
Anthony Asquith- The Yellow Rolls Royce https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059927
Claude Autant-Lara- Gloria https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059927
Hector Babenco- My Hindu Friend https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4400360
Charles Chaplin- A Countess from Hong Kong https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061523
Vera Chytilova- Pleasant Moments https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0491650
Cecil B. DeMille- Ten Commandments https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0049833
Stanley Donen- Love Letters https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0171492
Marguerite Duras- The Children https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087205
Julien Duvivier- Diabolically Yours https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061568
Rainer Werner Fassbinder- Querelle https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084565
Victor Fleming- Joan of Arc https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0040491
Bob Fosse- Star 80 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086355
Sacha Guitry- Les 3 font la Paire https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051109
Kon Ichikawa- Inugami Family (2006) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0794297
Mikhail Kalatozov- The Red Tent https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067315
William Keighley- Master of Ballantrae https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0046054
Anatole Litvak- Lady in the Car with Glasses and a Gun https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0065957
Alexander MacKendrick- Don't Make Waves https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061590
Mikio Naruse- Scattered Clouds https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061971
Kihachi Okamoto- Vengeance for Sale https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0339748
Max Ophuls- Lola Montes https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0048308
Sergei Parajanov- Ashik Kerib https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094681
Maurice Pialat- The Son of... https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113145
Jean Renoir- Little Theatre of Jean Renoir https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067571
Glauber Rocha- The Age of the Earth https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080910
Ousmane Sembene- Moolade https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0416991
Kaneto Shindo- Postcard https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1641397
Victor Sjostrom- Under the Red Robe https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0029712
George Stevens- The Only Game in Town https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066184
Preston Sturges- The French, They Are a Funny Race https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0047921
Kinuyo Tanaka- Love Under the Crucifix https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0203751/
Hiroshi Teshigahara- Go-Hime https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104351
Maurice Tourneur- Dilemma of Two Angels https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0040467
Edgar G. Ulmer- The Cavern https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059022
Andrzej Wajda- Afterimage https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5186236



Not sure if these count:

Claude Berri- Tresor https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1517493/ completed by another director
Jacques Feyder- Macadam https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0038711 completed by another director
Ishiro Honda- Terror of Mechagodzilla https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073373/ Came out of retirement to work as Kurosawa's assistant director

Frank Capra- Pocketful of Miracles https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055312 Capra directed a short documentary 3 years later
Rene Clair- https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059208 Clair directed one episode of a TV series 1 year later.
Jean Cocteau- Testament of Orpheus https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054377 He directed a short 2 years later
Luis Garcia Berlanga- Paris Tombuctu https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0197752 He directed a short 3 years later
Shohei Imamura- Warm Water Under a Red Bridge https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0289054 directed a short segment for "September 11" one year later
Marcell Jankovics- Tragedy of Man https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0176694 Directed a miniseries just before his death
Alexander Korda- An Ideal Husband https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0039485 was an uncredited director on Bonnie Prince Charlie a year later
Rouben Mamoulian- Silk Stockings https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050972 Was fired from Porgy & Bess one year later, one scene of his remains in that film.
Mario Monicelli- Rose of the Desert https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0470082 Directed a couple shorts afterwards
Ermanno Olmi- Torneranno i Prati https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3478140 Directed a short and a documentary afterwards
Roberto Rossellini- The Messiah https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077925 Directed a couple documentaries afterwards
Claude Sautet- Nelly & Monsieur Arnaud https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113947 co-directed a short 2 years later
Jacques Tourneur- City in the Sea https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059895 Directed a TV episode one year later

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Lonewolf: Thanks for creating the spreadsheet. I have started commenting with the titles and IMDb URLs of a few last films for directors listed, and also commenting "Active" on the names of some directors who are clearly still active so that we won't need to look for their last films. (Note to other participants here: you can right-click on any box in the spreadsheet to add a comment.) If enough participants here contribute to the spreadsheet, we should be able to cover most prominent directors who are deceased or retired, by the time the poll starts.
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TraverseTown wrote: May 15th, 2022, 3:08 pm Are films by deceased directors with only one feature-directorial credit allowed?
Yes.
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gromit82 wrote: May 15th, 2022, 4:36 pm Wolfgang Reitherman: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0718627/
Currently listed for DTV Monster Hits (1987) (TV), described by IMDb as "A Halloween special featuring appropriately-themed rock and roll songs set to scenes from the Disney library of classic animation."
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1317476/
He is listed by IMDb as one of 23 directors of "original material" for this special. It sounds like the makers of the special just used footage from films Reitherman (who died in 1985) had previously directed.

I believe a more appropriate swansong for him would be The Rescuers (1977). https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076618/
You're correct. Corrected it
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Thanks RolandKirkSunglasses and gromit! I added all your contributions.

@Roland: In general if a director directed a short, mini-/tv-series or episodes after their last feature, the last feature is eligible. Feature length documentaries do count as a feature, so if the final film is feature length doc that does count.

Still not entirely sure what to do with works completed by others.
Claude Berri- Tresor https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1517493/ completed by another director
Jacques Feyder- Macadam https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0038711 completed by another director
Ishiro Honda- Terror of Mechagodzilla https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073373/ Came out of retirement to work as Kurosawa's assistant director


Alexander Korda- An Ideal Husband https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0039485 was an uncredited director on Bonnie Prince Charlie a year later > Not sure, I'm inclined to go with An Ideal Husband since that is the last complete movie he made and only directed some of Bonnie Prince Charlie.
Rouben Mamoulian- Silk Stockings https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050972 Was fired from Porgy & Bess one year later, one scene of his remains in that film. - I went with Silk Stockings as his last film. Since the Screen Directors Guild also voted to give sole credit for Porgy & Bess to Preminger.
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jal90 wrote: May 15th, 2022, 6:09 pm
Lonewolf2003 wrote: May 15th, 2022, 1:21 pm One I'm in doubt about, and might also set some future similar debates.

Frank Borzage: Antinea, l'amante della città sepolta (1961). Wiki says: "Frank Borzage was slated to direct the film and began production but left due to an illness and was replaced with Edgar G. Ulmer." Does this one count? Or is The Big Fisherman his final movie?
What to do with movies that a director started, but didn't finish and was replaced at. Or should we just go case by case on these?
I personally think it would make sense to only admit those works where the director was fully involved in the creative process to the end. In some cases like Welles, who left a number of unfinished projects, some tackled later by other directors afterwards, I think this rule is specially necessary.
But for Welles all those unfinished projects weren't the last project he was working on (actively) before his death. Which to me is a different case that a director directing a movie, but having to leave it because of illness or bad health and having another director finish it.
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Lonewolf: Do you have a way of filtering the list of directors into one for living directors and one for deceased directors? We are going to be a lot more productive in terms of finding last films if we look at a list only of directors who have died.
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gromit82 wrote: May 16th, 2022, 6:18 pm Lonewolf: Do you have a way of filtering the list of directors into one for living directors and one for deceased directors? We are going to be a lot more productive in terms of finding last films if we look at a list only of directors who have died.
No. I wish I had. That’s why I need help checking them. Unless someone has a IMDb list of deceased directors I can cross reference it with.
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I have updated the spreadsheet and list again. Thanks for all the input, gromit and Roland! It's a great help.

I decided to case by case on films that are finished by other directors. Based on how much a movie can still be seen as the deceased directors work. A director doesn't have to be fully involved from the first to last bit to consider it their last movie. But they have to been involved enough in the shooting and production that it is still their work.
I most cases this means when a director still is credited as the director on IMDb it is eligible, if not it is not. But there are exceptions to this rule. Films completed years later posthumously, f.e. Welles' The Other Side of the Wind, aren't eligible. (I hope this makes sense and you all get what I mean.)

For example:
Frank Borzage: I went with "The Big Fisherman" instead of "Antinea, l'amante della città sepolta (1961)" since "Its first director, Frank Borzage, quit the movie after two days of work without shooting any footage".

Claude Berri - Went with "Ensemble, c'est tout" cause Berri died after four days of filming for "Tresor" and François Dupeyron finished it.

Jacques Feyder- Macadam https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0038711, because "Jacques Feyder is credited as artistic director ("direction artistique"). Although Feyder was ill at the time, according to Françoise Rosay (his wife) he was asked to supervise filming because various members of the crew had no confidence in the young and inexperienced director, Marcel Blistène. Relations on the set between Blistène and Feyder were hostile, and once filming was finished it was Feyder who oversaw the editing (wiki)"

Crane Wilbur: I went with House of Women. Cause "Walter Doniger (The credited director) was fired ten days into filming and replaced by Crane Wilbur. Wilbur was denied a sole directing credit and turned down a co-directing credit." To me that makes this it still more Crane's than Doninger film. And his last film instead of the =https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0052602/]Bat, which is Wilbur's last credited movie.

Mark Robson: Avalanche Express: While Robson died in post-production, with still some days of shooting left. I think this still can be considered Robson's movie, since he shot most of it. (source wiki and https://catalog.afi.com/Catalog/moviedetails/56194)

Also for Ishiro Honda I went with Terror of Mechagodzilla. The films he did with Kurosawa after his retirement are considered Kurosawa's films.
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