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I'll try to get this one going again. It's probably going to be a lot easier now to listen to this stuff on lots of different moments. A few weeks ago we started a subscription on Apple Music. I spent several weeks filling my library with everything I own, I (kinda) like or am interested in, which mostly meant complete discographies of bands I enjoy or like to listen to now and then. This resulted in me adding 5700 albums one by one in a few weeks time. :lol:

Anyway, with such a library always at hand while having my iPhone and WiFi available, which is quite often of course, it's easier to dig through my list of essentials. Continuing with letter E.....

Emperor - In the Nightside Eclipse + Anthems to the Welkin at Dusk

To me this is the right balance between dark/aggressive and still having songs that you can actually follow. I like the prominent place of the keyboards. Feel like those scary keyboard sounds from B-horror-movies.



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Entombed - Left Hand Path (1990)
Entombed - Wolverine Blues (1993)

Okay, nothing special.



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EyeHateGod - Take As Needed For Pain

I suck at names of subgenres. So this is called "sludge"? Influenced by doom I guess? A heard a lot of Black Sabbath influences here. Musically I liked it quite a lot. Not a big fan of the vocals though.

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Flotsam & Jetsam - No Place for Disgrace

This is a well known name for me, but I actually never really listened to them. Part of it might be because of the silly name. Sounds to me like some stupid party metal band, but it's actually some very decent metal. I've listened to some random other songs from their discography as well and it was really clear to me how inconsistent the quality they delivered is. A few weeks ago I bought my first F&J album, Blood in the Water, and that one is actually pretty good, so it's nice to see they still got it in them after so many years.

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St. Gloede wrote: April 26th, 2021, 1:50 pm I'm not a fan of metal, but I do like hard rock and the relatively short-lived predecessor to heavy metal - Heavy Pysch.

A few recommendations (1 per band):

Flower Travellin' Band - Satori (1971)

Just listened to this, but not till the end. Sorry, couldn't make it. The opening sound was annoying. When it started after that opening sound I got interested. But the guitar sound really got on my nerves very quickly. Not something I enjoy listening to. Removed from my Apple library......
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Gamma Ray - Land of the Free

This kind of metal rarely blows me away, but it very often puts a smile on my face. This genre is full of clichés, but it manages to make me happy.

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Godflesh - Streetcleaner

Surely a lot more original than the band in the previous post........ however, industrial never really got to me. I gave up after about four songs.
Is there another album by them I should check out? Or are chances high I won't like any of them?

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Gojira - From Mars to Sirius

Okay, this was easy. Of course I already knew Gojira and I already loved them. I started listening to them from The Way Of All Flesh and bought and loved all their albums since. I just never looked back at their earlier work. This album fits in line with the rest of their stuff, so I liked it from the first notes.

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St. Gloede wrote: April 26th, 2021, 1:50 pm Groundhogs - Split (1971)

Your post only included stuff I never heard of before, which is nice so I could get into it completely blank. As said above The Flower Travelin' Band wasn't a success. Fortunately, The Groundhogs was a lot better. The songs feel very natural, as if they had some rough ideas for the songs and jammed a lot around those ideas, but without getting boring.
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Hellhammer - Apocalyptic Raids

I can see how this might have been influential at the time, but listening to this almost 40 years later hasn't got the impact it had back then. And to be honest, it doesn't really sound that unique to me for that period. The first two songs sound like a dark version of Mötorhead to me. I actually hardly heard the difference between those two songs. Same pace. The third song was a lot slower, more like doom, bits of Black Sabbath, except for the singing.

Interesting to hear once, but not enough to keep this in my library. With such little output it's also not really worth it to dive into this band. I'd rather explore Celtic Frost some more.

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joachimt wrote: December 25th, 2021, 9:19 pm
St. Gloede wrote: April 26th, 2021, 1:50 pm Groundhogs - Split (1971)

Your post only included stuff I never heard of before, which is nice so I could get into it completely blank. As said above The Flower Travelin' Band wasn't a success. Fortunately, The Groundhogs was a lot better. The songs feel very natural, as if they had some rough ideas for the songs and jammed a lot around those ideas, but without getting boring.
Really happy to hear that, so 1-1.
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Helloween - Keeper of the Seven Keys (Part 1 & 2)

Copy-paste my comment on Gamma Ray a few posts above. Although this is slightly better. The songs stick in my head a little better.
I already listened to some Helloween before, but not much. I think I once bought a copy of Better Than Raw on a flee market and later sold it on another flee market.
Listening to this for two albums in a row is a bit boring, because after a while you've heard it all. It's fun music though if it comes along when listening on shuffle.



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Listening to High on Fire - Blessed Black Wings (2005) now. I don't remember how this got on my list to listen to. I don't know the band's name. This is not "classic" or "influential" if you aks me. Nobody here recommended it. First few songs don't seem that special, so I think I'm skipping the rest. Remind me if there's a reason for me to listen to this.
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Iced Earth - The Dark Saga

Is this their most important album? It's okay. I kinda like Iced Earth now and then. I only own "The Glorious Burden", which I prefer over this one actually.

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In Flames - The Jester Race

More melodic than I expected. Not that special, but enjoyable enough.

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Incantation - Onward to Golgotha

I'd like to listen to death metal more often. I often feel that way, but most of the time I don't know where to start. I've got some death metal albums in my CD collection, but when I listen to other albums by those bands I don't feel like those albums will add anything new to my collection. Old school death metal is a genre in which I don't hear enough difference between acts and not enough originality.

I don't think I listened to Incantation before and I must say I feel the same way as described above. Yeah, I like it, but it doesn't really stick.



If anyone has some recommendations for death metal bands that stand out more among the crowd, feel free to give me some.
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Iron Maiden - Iron Maiden (1980)

Iron Maiden - Powerslave (1984)


Not a complete blind spot of course, but I have never listened enough to their discography. I've got The Number of the Beast on vinyl and a best of on CD. I must admit I boycotted the rest a bit on purpose. The Iron Maiden fans I met in my life were always the kind of people I complained about recently in the complaint lounge, never listening to anything new, but keep pretending metal in the past was the best. Now, I don't want to deny their status in metal history, but I do think some people exaggerate it a lot.

So I listened to their debut from 1980. The first few songs were not that interesting to be honest. Side B was better, especially Strange World. Funny thing was my first thoughts on the first song: "I don't even recognize Bruce Dickinson." :lol:
Took me a while to realize Bruce wasn't the lead singer yet back then.

Then I put on Powerslave. Now that one really deserves its classic status! Every song works. The riffs on this are amazing and Bruce Dickinson instead of Paul Di'Anno made a huge difference. So when this album was over, I didn't have enough Iron Maiden yet, so I put on their entire discography on shuffle. I didn't keep track of which albums passed along, but the difference in quality between the songs was pretty big. A few weeks ago I listened to their most recent album and although I heard some nice things there, overall I found it a bit weak.

When I first started getting into metal, Bruce wasn't with Iron Maiden. It was a Blaze Bayley period and every time I read about Iron Maiden back then, it was about complaints about the singing quality, or the lack thereof, of Blaze. So just to put things in perspective, I put on Virtual XI. The opening song is pretty good actually, but indeed you're wishing a change of vocals. Many of the songs on this album would have benefitted a lot with Bruce on vocals (but some songs wouldn't have....).

So which of their albums should I listened to completely as well? Seventh Son of a Seventh Son?



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Not a classic, but this might be overall my favourite metal band



This is probably my favourite metal album, which I would call a classic

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I should give White Pony a second chance. It's been 20 years I guess since I heard it.

Which album by Portal would you recommend for me to start?
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joachimt wrote: December 27th, 2021, 9:20 pm Hellhammer - Apocalyptic Raids

I can see how this might have been influential at the time, but listening to this almost 40 years later hasn't got the impact it had back then.
Welcome to my reaction I always had to every single metal album released before 1992 :ph43r:

There were no Neurosis, Burzum or Darkthrone [that mattered] before, so why I even bother? :shifty:
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Going through some Judas Priest. Not entirely unknown to me, but haven't listened to a lot of them. Listened to Painkiller a few times, which is pretty awesome. Going through older stuff now. First one on my list was Sad Wings of Destiny, but strangely enough it isn't on Apple Music, so I have to listen to that one some other way.

Stained Class

Surprised to notice how well I already knew the opening song Exciter. Probably from a cover by someone else, but I can't remember which band. Anyway, since only really knowing Painkiller from 1990 it's interesting to go back to 1978. It's a lot less metal than Painkiller, it struck me how much this sounds like Deep Purple. That riff with the high vocals..... It's easy though to imagine having a more aggressive version to make the step from rock to metal. I just took a look at a live version of Exciter from this century and I don't really imagine Deep Purple playing that way.
Anyway, fun stuff. Will certainly listened to this again.



Unleashed in the East

A live album from the same period.
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Sin After Sin, which preceded Stained Class, was actually produced by Deep Purple's bassist. I think in that one the similarities to Purple and other earlier hard rock bands are more obvious.

Anyway, I love Priest, their output from Sad Wings of Destiny to Defenders of the Faith is really solid (with the possible exception of Point of Entry). And yeah, Painkiller is good too.
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This thread alone proves that"metal in the past was the best" :lol:
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The problem is that he specifically asked for older metal so there is a bias in this thread. I can link some of the newer metal that I think really shined.

I'll spoiler the rest, but this is easily one of the greatest metal albums ever made so I'll leave that out here. Inspired by psychedelic rock, and krautrock, especially Can.


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Sure, not saying there's not some great stuff released these days, but essentially all of these bands have been influenced by the "pioneers" in one way or the other so there's no denying that they have had massive influence on the new bands.

Thanks for those videos, some interesting stuff for sure, especially Oranssi Pazuzu, first time I hear about them, need to check them out, - most of the others are a bit too heavy/dark for my tastes but I am quite open minded and always ready to listen to new things. I just found Joachim's comment about old metal a bit funny and ironic :)
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bal3x wrote: January 18th, 2022, 2:01 pm Sure, not saying there's not some great stuff released these days, but essentially all of these bands have been influenced by the "pioneers" in one way or the other so there's no denying that they have had massive influence on the new bands.

Thanks for those videos, some interesting stuff for sure, especially Oranssi Pazuzu, first time I hear about them, need to check them out, - most of the others are a bit too heavy/dark for my tastes but I am quite open minded and always ready to listen to new things. I just found Joachim's comment about old metal a bit funny and ironic :)
Which comment? I made several......
Sure there's no denying that the pioneers influenced later bands a lot. That goes without saying. Doesn't mean classic metal was better though. I hear lots of things that I can understand having a major impact back then, but sound rather simplistic and unoriginal if you listen to it nowadays. So I certainly don't agree with you that metal was better in the old days.
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I don't think pioneers are better just because they influenced the newer stuff, but I really prefer the older stuff. I don't really care for most post-2000s metal at all (though I can't say I am that well versed about it). I listened to lot of prog metal in high school, but now that stuff just feels really boring.

Anyway, joachim's clearly wrong about BÖC's Fire of Unknown Origin. That's a great hard rock album. And I don't think it's that different from their seventies stuff, clearly it's the same band. Just more synth.
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Yeah, well, no point arguing about this, I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinions and all of this is rather subjective anyway :) Let's just enjoy what we enjoy. Generally I prefer the older stuff as well, but as I said I'm always ready to listen to new stuff so I'm certainly not ignoring it even though I must say I find myself listening to the older stuff more. Not sure what joachim is referring to when speaking about "simplistic and unoriginal" - surely bands like Judas Priest were neither of those in the early days, they actually released some of the most original and complex work in their initial period (and I'm a big fan of the band, I enjoy most of their output including Ram it Down lol), those were more prog-oriented even. Iron Maiden I can understand that their debut album is not too complex or original listening to it today, their later work is much better for sure. But I've never been a huge fan of Maiden anyway :D
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Actually I think I've grown to like Di'Anno's Maiden more than Dickinson's. Di'Anno's more punk, and I prefer punk to the direction that Maiden took after the first two albums. Also, not a huge fan of Dickinson's voice, I've begun to like it less and less the older I get. Not that the best Dickinson albums are bad or anything.

EDIT:Of course they're a bit hard to compare, given that Maiden made two albums with Di'Anno and well, not bothering to check how many they have now made with Dickinson. And I remember the song-writing on the early albums is a bit uneven, but songs like Wratchild and Killers are just great.
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Yeah, it's an interesting opinion, I think The Killers is actually a very solid effort, some of the songs are really nice. And actually Dickinson's voice is probably what prevents me from being a fan of the band, not a fan of those vocals as well. Technically they are very proficient though, Powerslave is still probably their best work.
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