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I know that you go with first country tag if it's deemed as co-production on IMDb, but for Three Days (Sarunas Bartas, 1991) there shouldn't be Soviet Union in there. The film was released in 1991 and possibly in production in 1990 and Lithuania was the first country to break out of Soviet occupation in March 11th 1990. On film's Wikipedia page it also lists just Lithuania as production country.

I haven't seen it myself, but it is rather sad to see the first notable Lithuanian film after the restoration of independence to be still relegated to that despicable union.
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I my memory it has always been a Sovjet film only... maybe because he made it while he wat at the filmschool in Moscow?
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He graduated that school in 1990, but has already established his Lithuanian film studio Kinema in 1989.Everyone in the crew was Lithuanian. The film was shot in Kaliningrad, Russian exclave. That, I guess, is the only relation to the said Union which was still 'partially alive' till 1991.
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OMDB says :

In Kaliningrad two Lithuanian boys meet two Russian girls. They have difficulties in finding places where they can sleep together. But this is the only problem they do solve. All four ...
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St. Gloede wrote: October 13th, 2021, 11:43 am Egypt being the only African country with 2 films represented, and only 6 African films on the list in total is a little problematic - and I hope we can get better at sharing great African films as this is a clear blind spot. Egypt in particular has had a much bigger following in International film circles, especially for the "older guard".
Don't forget that, besides Egypt, few other African countries (and, additionally, arab-speaking ones) have that huge of a production, Egypt being almost similar to India and its Bollywood/indie diversity, when it comes to released films per year. It's as an important factor as when we mentioned in a previous comment that there's an inevitable highlight on particular countries because of their mass production numbers (okay, not that similar of an argument, though details can be applied in both cases :turned: ) .
One could shed a light to, say, Jamaica, yes, especially on selective directors/films, but, even then, Mexico and Cuba would arguably be in need of better focus, amidst countries of those regions.
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Ebbywebby wrote: October 12th, 2021, 8:35 pm
Dimitris Psachos wrote: October 12th, 2021, 8:17 pm Dimitris Psachos (1)[100 Pts]
Ebbywebby (1)[100 Pts]
"Red Angel" farewell party! :party: :party:
Just noticed, by the way, that, out of the top 10 films, Red Angel is the sole one with two number votes, ours truly B) :poshclap:

(and still couldn't break the 3-year in a row -if I correctly checked the available, yearly-updated lists-, "usual suspects" top 3 :folded: )
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Thanks Tim!

I think this poll does a good job of revealing certain filmmakers and places in the world that deserve more attention, especially those that were active in the late 50's until the early 70's (though I am surprised that Carlos Saura has not garnered more attention than he has), and I think that the challenge is to consider places and filmmakers from other time periods (for the 21st century, the former Soviet Union and Latin America offer a wealth great films that deserve more attention).

I kept my own submission list at under 200, and decided not to cite any one filmmaker more than 3 times, but those filmmakers who landed multiple entries on my list include Russians like Loznitsa and Konchalovsky, Doris Dorrie (am I the only person on this board to like her films?), Eliseo Subiela (now there's an Argentine worth discovering), Alain Tanner, Patrice Leconte, and Gianni Amelio among others.
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Torgo wrote: October 12th, 2021, 11:42 pm
Ebbywebby wrote: October 12th, 2021, 11:31 pm "The Flying Luna Clipper" (WTF)
Caps lock, oversized and red-colored. That's what I call a wtf. :D
joachim saw it too now, becoming the first user to dislike the Clipper. :folded:
I'm proud to have that honor. :)
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cinewest wrote: October 13th, 2021, 2:19 am
pitchorneirda wrote: October 12th, 2021, 8:19 pm Muddy River will be over 400 checks next year, the "boring duo" will be broken (I genuinely love Carriage to Vienna though)
I have some history with Muddy River, which I still haven’t seen.
1) It played at a film festival in San Francisco when it first came out in the early 80’s, and I planned to take my uncle and aunt (who is Japanese). Something happened that interfered with my plans though, and the film disappeared.

Though I never forgot the title (and still had it on my to see list), I really never came across it until coming to this forum a few years ago and seeing it had become the favorite of this poll.

Coincidentally, around the same time, I was using Netflix with a vpn, and when I tried the Tokyo server, to my surprise it was available to stream. Unfortunately, it didn’t have English subtitles, and though I have seen a couple of films that way in China the first time (Black Coal, Thin Ice, The Assassin, Kali’s Blues), I turned it off after about 10 minutes, and haven’t found it again.
Some movies are just begging you to do something illegal......
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RolandKirkSunglasses wrote: October 13th, 2021, 6:09 pm Image
Download bread, now there's an idea I could get behind. Do you have any idea how many movies I could download if I didn't have to waste time going to the bakery? :ICM:
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I would definitely download bread if it were possible.
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I have PtB invites, just send me a pm.
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We have the boxset, but I'm pretty sure plenty of people downloaded Bread.

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This may be a little too hard-edged and rough for some of our more sensitive listeners, but thankfully it doesn't need to be gotten by nefarious, illegal means, so if you're a person with advanced musical tastes and want something to challenge your ears...



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Oh wow, I thought that was considered lost. Praise the Lord for PtB.
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PeacefulAnarchy wrote: October 12th, 2021, 9:31 pm I'll update the icm list in a few hours.
👀


Country stats are a bit what I expected - a lot of Czech(oslovakia), that is, and maany French movies, although there are even more Japanese films than I noticed (oh).

I think our director stats looked even more monotonous at one point of time; Naruse already was in the lead probably, I remember more Rohmer and maybe Ray. Could it be there were even Goards and Ozus? A pack of them will have gone over 400.
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Wow, I totally forgot to update the list. Sorry. I'll do that now if I can get there before ICM goes down.
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PeacefulAnarchy wrote: October 14th, 2021, 3:40 amUpdated
Nice! Thanks again PA&Tim.

476/500
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Thanks for the quick catch up, PA, it's appreciated :)

So I went from ..

62/500 @#380
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64/500 @?

:o A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one! Not even checking the new shorts or anything .. got lucky with the Asian & Germans additions this time :)
LOL and just there the site goes down. Well then, see you tomorrow, guys.
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Went from 168 to 157 :(
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38 new official checks with the new update. How many became unofficial?
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Tim2460 wrote: October 13th, 2021, 11:19 am Here are the breackdown by country (first country if co-production)
WHERE ARE THE FRIGGIN' NEPALESE FILMS?
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Ebbywebby wrote: October 14th, 2021, 5:19 am
Tim2460 wrote: October 13th, 2021, 11:19 am Here are the breackdown by country (first country if co-production)
WHERE ARE THE FRIGGIN' NEPALESE FILMS?
I would recommend Himalaya, though it is a co-production
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I went from 46 to 42 🥴
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Ebbywebby wrote: October 14th, 2021, 5:19 am
Tim2460 wrote: October 13th, 2021, 11:19 am Here are the breackdown by country (first country if co-production)
WHERE ARE THE FRIGGIN' NEPALESE FILMS?
I don't Do GeoPolitics ... Just using OMDB Country Tags :shrug:
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205 to 184...
I lose the same number of films every year, so I'm not too surprised... But I'm glad of the regular renewal speed of the list, it remains to me a very interesting list of hidden gems, and I will start tracking some of the new titles to try and watch them. I also enjoy contributing to it, as I voted to 59 of the movies which made it.

Thanks again to Tim and PA for this great moment, the roll out pacing was just perfect for me.
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beavis wrote: October 1st, 2021, 2:24 pm #6 with 440/500 seen
excited for the new results!!
ended up with 421/500
especially looking forward to a few of the new German entries
thanks to our hosts and all participants!
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Used to be:
Seen: 79/500 (15.80%)
Highest unchecked: Kocár do Vídne (#1)
Number of favorites: 14/79 (17.72%)
Highest favorite: Tokyo Tribe (#46)
Number of dislikes: 6/79 (7.59%)
Highest dislike: Lu Bian Ye Can (#38)
Unique officials: 99/500 (19.80%)

Now:
Seen: 76/500 (15.20%)
Highest unchecked: Kocár do Vídne (#1)
Number of favorites: 16/76 (21.05%)
Highest favorite: Tokyo Tribe (#32)
Number of dislikes: 5/76 (6.58%)
Highest dislike: Lu Bian Ye Can (#55)
Unique officials: 112/500 (22.40%)

So lost three, but the overall quality went up a little. Also more unique officials, that is good.
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Ebbywebby wrote: October 12th, 2021, 11:31 pm I did a little better than I thought I would. I was at 185/500...I'm now at 179, if you count that I watched "The Flying Luna Clipper" (WTF) and "Invisible Life" since the countdown began. I think I usually lose 15-20 checks.
I miscounted...I actually only dropped to 180. I think I failed to count "The Sorcerer's Apprentice" while the countdown was in progress.
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I went from 200 to 186, thanks for everything PA and Tim!
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Tim2460 wrote: October 13th, 2021, 1:23 pm OMDB says :

In Kaliningrad two Lithuanian boys meet two Russian girls. They have difficulties in finding places where they can sleep together. But this is the only problem they do solve. All four ...
Spoken : Russian
Country TAGs : Soviet Union, Lithuania
wikipedia records Lithuanian as the language fyi. Personally I adored this movie when I watched it but I can't even remember anyone speaking. It's a movie I was thinking of when I proposed the minimal / no dialogue movie poll.

It certainly did not feel soviet to me. Lithuania has a troubled cultural history, in the UK I have met a Lithuanian who consumed mostly Russian culture, and another who told me this meant she was "not Lithuanian", she was very Lithuanian btw. Clearly some Lithuanians look East and some West.

It feels very problematic to label the movie soviet, like labelling Germany Year Zero a movie from Nazi Germany. You could make a pedantic case do that, but it would be very lacking in sensitivity
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St. Gloede wrote: October 11th, 2021, 7:45 am Finally caught up to the end, so will just throw this out before the list changes.

Current stats (soon to be replaced list):

347/500

Highest unseen:

20. Welfare
24. Året gjennom Børfjord
39. O fovos
47. Ayneh
48. Dying at Grace

I don't know why I haven't seen O fovos, Ayneh and Dying at Grace in particular. I should definitely work harder on this list.

Substats:

45/50
87/100
196/250

-As for the new list in progress-

I am also really happy with the shift towards my taste this time around. I see many of my top films, especially core directors I'm pushing, such as Yoshida and Robbe-Grillet move upwards.
New states:

347/500 (-9)

Highest unseen:

16. Året gjennom Børfjord
23. O fovos
31. De Düva: The Dove
38. Tou ze
39. Dying at Grace

I don't know why I haven't seen O fovos, Ayneh and Dying at Grace in particular. I should definitely work harder on this list.

Substats:

42/50 (-3)
79/100 (-8)
194/250 (-2)

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I think I will start to actively work on this list with the 1000<400 challenge in January.
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Was 41/500, now 41/500. Can't complain about that result.
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With interesting symmetry, it seems that I saw exactly 10% of the list, and that also exactly 10% of my submissions made the list (19/50 seen).

I have at least another 50 set to stream, so hopefully that will change next year.
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:satstunned: :satstunned: :satstunned: :satstunned: :satstunned: :satstunned:
:satstunned: :satstunned: :satstunned: :satstunned: :satstunned: :satstunned:
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:satstunned: :satstunned: :satstunned: :satstunned: :satstunned: :satstunned:

Clicked refresh on the list and I went from 188 up to 191. :o I think it's the first that I have ever improved my progress with a new edition in place.
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72aicm wrote: October 14th, 2021, 5:12 am 38 new official checks with the new update. How many became unofficial?
the 38 New :

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The 20th Century 2019
Metro Manila 2013
Go West 1923
Evridiki BA 2037 1975
So Long at the Fair 1950
The Lathe of Heaven 1980
Shiki-Jitsu 2000
Electric Dragon 80.000 V 2001
Sweet Country 2017
Mea Maxima Culpa: Silence in the House of God 2012
Liza, a rókatündér 2015
Der Fan 1982
Herutâ sukerutâ 2012
Le daim 2019
Show Me a Hero 2015
Lawn Dogs 1997
The Honey Pot 1967
Dr. Jack 1922
The Barkley Marathons: The Race That Eats Its Young 2014
La rose de fer 1973
Night Tide 1961
Closet Monster 2015
The Flying Luna Clipper 1987
Stalled 2013
Môsô dairinin 2004
Band of Angels 1957
La vendedora de rosas 1998
Anchiporuno 2016
Chevalier 2015
The Final Cut 1995
Korczak 1990
The Lost Skeleton of Cadavra 2001
Absolute Giganten 1999
Obsluhoval jsem anglického krále 2006
Daguerreotypes 1975
Sunshine on Leith 2013
The 'Maggie' 1954
The Painted Bird 2019
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And these are the films that were on the list last year and on one list only ... but are not anymore on the 500>400 List.

So i guess they lost any official status

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Una pura formalità 1994 http://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/una+pura+formalita/ 415
Warum läuft Herr R. Amok 1970 http://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/waru ... r+r.+amok/ 403
Pool of London 1951 http://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/pool+of+london/ 151
Decision at Sundown 1957 http://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/decision+at+sundown/ 332
Hamsarayan 1982 http://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/hamsarayan/ 182
Uta 1972 http://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/uta-1972/ 88
Laissez bronzer les cadavres 2017 http://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/lais ... +cadavres/ 285
Himizu 2011 http://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/himizu/ 306
Bei kao bei, lian dui lian 1994 http://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/bei+ ... +dui+lian/ 46
Fugue 1999 http://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/fugue-1999/ 405
Jane B. par Agnès V. 1988 http://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/jane ... +agnes+v./ 179
Tall in the Saddle 1944 http://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/tall+in+the+saddle/ 224
Asha Jaoar Majhe 2014 http://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/asha+jaoar+majhe/ 68
Aferim! 2015 http://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/aferimexclamation/ 374
Hearts Beat Loud 2018 http://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/hearts+beat+loud/ 422
Assassination Nation 2018 http://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/assa ... on+nation/ 500
Lean on Pete 2017 http://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/lean+on+pete/ 418
The Slender Thread 1965 http://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/the+slender+thread/ 187
Moeder Dao, de schildpadgelijkende 1995 http://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/moed ... elijkende/ 88
Reindeerspotting - pako Joulumaasta 2010 http://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/rein ... ulumaasta/ 321
LA Plays Itself 1972 http://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/la+plays+itself/ 57
The Raid 1954 http://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/the+raid/ 111
Der Nachtmahr 2015 http://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/der+nachtmahr/ 153
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Sweet, looks like I picked up 5 new official checks yet don't lose any since I haven't seen any of the ones losing official status.
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