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500<400, Favourite 1001 movies, Doubling the Canon, Film World Cup and many other votes
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Counting the watched ones of the past few days, probably 158/500 (until Peaceful shifts the list's gears on the site and discover I have less :ph43r: )

Been planning to check particular directors' films I omitted with more than one film in the list:

Alain Robbe-Grillet
Allan King
Satyajit Ray
Aleksandr Sokurov
Andrzej Wajda

and, for starters, individual films, like:

Celine
Jakten
Pictures of the Old World
The Dupes
Westward the Women

so this should be a fascinating gift-wrap for the next 364 (or something) days :shifty:

Oh, and thanks to all you crazy, passionate people for this, Peaceful, Adam and so forth (I tend to forget names...for the time being ;) )
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Torgo wrote: October 12th, 2021, 8:02 pm
PeacefulAnarchy wrote: October 12th, 2021, 7:21 pm #6(⇧1, #7) Swiadectwo urodzenia (1961)
re: No US/UK aka @Ebby
We need to fix this!
Fixed.

https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/swi ... urodzenia/
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Thanks for the organization of this list.

Not sure what the end result is. I lost 3 checks from my 10 due to them crossing the threshold. One of them didn't appear (Der Nachtmahr). 5 did appear. I'm unsure about Himizu. But Sono got 2 new entries which I both have seen. So that's at least 7, maybe 8. I cant' recall seeing Himizu. I think Shiki-Jitsu, La jaula de oro and Helter Skelter showed up IIRC, so i'm guess i am again at 10 movies seen and so status quo.

Not really that many movies i want to see ASAP though, maybe Take Care of my Cat, Kailli Blues and a few more other Asian movies. I want to give Miss Oyu a try, and the HHH movies in the list. We shall see. I also need to watch that Miike movie.

Disappointed les garcons sauvages and Xing Kong didn't appear. I'm a big fan of those two.
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I don't think it's boring to have the same films topping the rankings. I don't like the idea of everyone changing their votes just to get a new number one. Would rather have a proper ranking. The top films will eventually reach 400 checks like Les Dimanches did and like Muddy River will very soon.
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AdamH wrote: October 12th, 2021, 9:21 pm I don't think it's boring to have the same films topping the rankings.
This must be the popular decision on that matter (similar, I guess to the official canon mentality B) ), but won't really stop me from bringing this up again next year :lol: :woot:

(really though, great job, as usual, for scheduling/organizing/vote counting AND presenting the countdown)
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I'll update the icm list in a few hours. I'll start the runners up in a few days. Definitely not tomorrow, maybe Thurs, probably Fri, certainly Saturday.
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RolandKirkSunglasses wrote: October 11th, 2021, 5:24 pm
prodigalgodson wrote: October 11th, 2021, 4:45 pm Yeah, but Horse Money is the Costa film!

I've only seen two from Kawashima, this and Sun in the Last Days of the Shogunate, both at a retrospective celebrating the hundredth anniversary of Nikkatsu; but those were both very impressive, I can imagine him being a potential favorite.
I've really gotten into Kawashima this year, still got a couple more films to check out but I haven't seen a bad one yet.

I'd definitely recommend "Graceful Brute" and "Tales of Ginza". Former is about a family of scam artists largely filmed in one location, the other follows several different characters in the changing Ginza neighbourhood with a humorous narrator.
"Room for Let" is set in Osaka, Frankie Sakai plays another lovable jack-of-all-trades along with several other characters trying to survive in a boarding house.
Nice, thanks for the recs Roland!
Dolwphin wrote: October 11th, 2021, 6:13 pm
prodigalgodson wrote: October 11th, 2021, 4:49 pm Wow, what a screenshot!
Yes, I know, I took it! B)

The results thread could benefit from more SS-sniping in VLC, but taste is subjective and images must be representative etc. according to the buzz-killers.
Props! Even as a still that scratches the itch.
PeacefulAnarchy wrote: October 11th, 2021, 8:04 pm #33(⇧19, #52) Dong dong de jiàqi (1984)
[A Summer at Grandpa's]

Directed by: Hsiao-Hsien Hou
(769.98 Pts, 17 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–2–7
History: 3352406176931695471057←NA
ICheckMovies: 294 Checks , 35 Favourites , 4 Official lists
List of Voters:
Melvelet (3)[97.27 Pts]
tommy_leazaq (10)[88.27 Pts]
zhangalan (22) [74.74 Pts]
Good_Will_Harding (25) [71.7 Pts]
Gershwin (33) [64.17 Pts]
mjf314 (43) [55.86 Pts]
cinephage (47) [52.85 Pts]
zuma (52) [49.31 Pts]
sebby (59) [44.75 Pts]
toro913 (NA) [33.78 Pts]
klaus78 (86) [30.78 Pts]
AdamH (90) [29.12 Pts]
russa03 (93) [27.93 Pts]
Ivan0716 (NA) [20.62 Pts]
BaalMan (142) [14.16 Pts]
sushantv10 (164) [10.44 Pts]
OldAle1 (NA) [4.22 Pts]
Can't believe I still haven't seen this, might be heading over to the request thread soon...
PeacefulAnarchy wrote: October 11th, 2021, 10:22 pm #27(⇧24, #51) Insiang (1976)
Directed by: Lino Brocka
(835.06 Pts, 24 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–2–5
History: 2751146236535652185519311278←1928
ICheckMovies: 357 Checks , 31 Favourites , 6 Official lists
List of Voters:
zhangalan (8)[90.75 Pts]
russa03 (10)[88.27 Pts]
Cinepolis (18) [79 Pts]
Mifune (20) [76.84 Pts]
Timec (23) [73.71 Pts]
Dimitris Psachos (52) [49.31 Pts]
OldAle1 (56) [46.65 Pts]
Gorro (58) [45.38 Pts]
hurluberlu (74) [36.35 Pts]
murnaunosferatu (80) [33.45 Pts]
Melvelet (101) [25 Pts]
RogerTheMovieManiac171 (NA) [23.76 Pts]
Gordon_Gekko (109) [22.38 Pts]
rnilsson19 (114) [20.88 Pts]
Ivan0716 (NA) [20.62 Pts]
Smoover (115) [20.59 Pts]
cayado-coro (121) [18.95 Pts]
dinah (NA) [16.66 Pts]
tommy_leazaq (155) [11.83 Pts]
Traveller (174) [9.09 Pts]
Fergenaprido (184) [7.91 Pts]
72aicm (197) [6.61 Pts]
Mysterious Dude (203) [6.08 Pts]
ororama (217) [5.01 Pts]
Groovy, this'll be on my list next year for sure.
PeacefulAnarchy wrote: October 12th, 2021, 2:53 pm #20(⇧36, #56) Tiexi qu (2002)
[Tie Xi Qu: West of the Tracks]

Directed by: Bing Wang
(886.5 Pts, 18 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 1–5–8
History: 205666719167241237902←508
ICheckMovies: 357 Checks , 42 Favourites , 9 Official lists
List of Voters:
murnaunosferatu (1)[100 Pts]
prodigalgodson (2)[98.62 Pts]
Gershwin (7)[92.02 Pts]
Traveller (9)[89.5 Pts]
Knaldskalle (10)[88.27 Pts]
perceval (13) [84.67 Pts]
Dimitris Psachos (28) [68.78 Pts]
Smoover (29) [67.83 Pts]
jeroeno (72) [37.37 Pts]
mjf314 (76) [35.36 Pts]
klaus78 (82) [32.53 Pts]
insomnius (NA) [28.15 Pts]
hurluberlu (95) [27.17 Pts]
AHALE80 (NA) [14.72 Pts]
joachimt (183) [8.02 Pts]
cinephage (191) [7.18 Pts]
cayh (215) [5.15 Pts]
72aicm (NA) [1.16 Pts]
Fuckin-A! This'll be my number one next year unless there's another new entry to my all-time top 5.
PeacefulAnarchy wrote: October 12th, 2021, 3:12 pm #19(⇩1, #18) Midareru (1964)
[Yearning]

Directed by: Mikio Naruse
(887.21 Pts, 22 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–1–11
History: 191876205143131589572←308
ICheckMovies: 374 Checks , 55 Favourites , 4 Official lists
List of Voters:
murnaunosferatu (8)[90.75 Pts]
Cinepolis (22) [74.74 Pts]
Dimitris Psachos (25) [71.7 Pts]
Gorro (26) [70.71 Pts]
Melvelet (36) [61.56 Pts]
Traveller (37) [60.71 Pts]
zhangalan (39) [59.05 Pts]
klaus78 (48) [52.12 Pts]
Smoover (50) [50.7 Pts]
AdamH (50) [50.7 Pts]
DudeLanez (NA) [39.02 Pts]
sushantv10 (74) [36.35 Pts]
perceval (79) [33.92 Pts]
pitchorneirda (NA) [33.21 Pts]
zuma (108) [22.69 Pts]
Ivan0716 (NA) [20.62 Pts]
cayado-coro (122) [18.69 Pts]
Lilarcor (154) [11.99 Pts]
Gordon_Gekko (161) [10.88 Pts]
jeff_v (165) [10.29 Pts]
Fergenaprido (225) [4.48 Pts]
rnilsson19 (272) [2.34 Pts]
Naruse's the best but I was pretty underwhelmed by this compared to his other late stuff (ditto When a Woman Ascends the Stairs actually). I guess I owe it a rewatch.
Ebbywebby wrote: October 12th, 2021, 4:08 pm
PeacefulAnarchy wrote: October 12th, 2021, 3:58 pm #16(⇧8, #24) Året gjennom Børfjord (1991)
[A Year Along the Abandoned Road]


Directed by: Morten Skallerud
(927.15 Pts, 24 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 2–3–8
History: 16241577680725846←NA
ICheckMovies: 276 Checks , 39 Favourites , 1 Official list
List of Voters:
Armoreska (1)[100 Pts]
jonas2k (1)[100 Pts]
Fergenaprido (7)[92.02 Pts]
72aicm (13) [84.67 Pts]
Nopros (13) [84.67 Pts]
tommy_leazaq (26) [70.71 Pts]
ChrisReynolds (41) [57.43 Pts]
jeroeno (45) [54.34 Pts]
AdamH (53) [48.63 Pts]
Hunziker (NA) [44.74 Pts]
Marazmatique (63) [42.34 Pts]
Cippenham (87) [30.35 Pts]
Odradek (88) [29.94 Pts]
Nathan Treadway (108) [22.69 Pts]
cayh (116) [20.31 Pts]
Lonewolf2003 (118) [19.75 Pts]
Traveller (164) [10.44 Pts]
Torgo (206) [5.83 Pts]
Lilarcor (229) [4.24 Pts]
Jimi Antiloop (260) [2.76 Pts]
mathiasa (366) [0.63 Pts]
joachimt (407) [0.36 Pts]
Leopardi (422) [0.29 Pts]
Perception de Ambiguity (5137) [0 Pts]
Awesome, another jump upward!
Oh man, that had me cracking up. As for Ale's comment about shrooms, I don't know about that but I was pretty stoned at the time and I found it about as milquetoast as most of us apparently do (very impressive from a logistical standpoint, of course).
RolandKirkSunglasses wrote: October 12th, 2021, 6:31 pm
OldAle1 wrote: October 12th, 2021, 6:25 pm Clearly we need to make 2022 our official Year of Nepal here at the icm forum, and I'd also suggest that we disallow any voters in next year's 500<400 poll who submit lists with less than 50% Nepalese cinema. I personally vow to only watch Nepalese films in the cinema over the next year, even though the nearest place showing such features is several hours' yak ride away.
Never seen such flagrant yakphobia on ICM before.

#YakLivesMatter
Lol at this whole conversation thread, you guys are killing me.
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And thanks PA!
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Thank you for the hard work, PA. Looking forward to comparing my stats, and to work on the list in a more focused way than before.
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Thanks to Tim as well, without whom I would not have been able to start on time.
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Thanks PA! If I counted along correctly, I should end up with 206, losing 12 from where I was but more importantly, being over 200 for the first time at the end of the poll, yay. I also scanned the number of titles that have hit 375 checks - figuring a good chunk of those will top 400 next year - and it's 42. I get both sides of the argument as to the continuity of the list, but I guess personally I'd like to see at least a *little* more turnover; 10% at least of the list graduating every year would strike me as a nice number, and of course if we could get a few more voters (especially new voters) here every year we might have more turnover as well. But it's certainly not a big issue for me and as I said upthread, this is consistently one of the best lists on the site IMO, with almost no films I dislike and a high percentage of favorites.
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Lakigigar wrote: October 12th, 2021, 9:21 pm Not really that many movies i want to see ASAP though, maybe Take Care of my Cat, Kailli Blues and a few more other Asian movies. I want to give Miss Oyu a try, and the HHH movies in the list. We shall see. I also need to watch that Miike movie.
Might be time to try your first Akira Kurosawa movie too, just for sport.
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I think it is amusing with the same complaints about the top films, the list in general, and the same complaints about those complaints. Cheers, we'll meet again next year! 🇳🇵🇳🇵🇳🇵🇳🇵🇳🇵
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Ebbywebby wrote: October 12th, 2021, 10:21 pm
Lakigigar wrote: October 12th, 2021, 9:21 pm Not really that many movies i want to see ASAP though, maybe Take Care of my Cat, Kailli Blues and a few more other Asian movies. I want to give Miss Oyu a try, and the HHH movies in the list. We shall see. I also need to watch that Miike movie.
Might be time to try your first Akira Kurosawa movie too, just for sport.
I've been postponing it forever, but you're absolutely 100% right about that. I suspect it will happen quite soon. I already started Seven Samurai once, but I have so much trouble finding good subs in sync, and there is not really an affordable DVD / BR box of essential Kurosawa's available. There are also none on streaming services. There are other directors i need to explore for the first time, but Rome isn't built on a single day and my film journey is one of slow steps. And for movies with samurai themes, i prefer NL subs, because i'm not really knowledgeable about Japanese history / or samurai. I almost know nothing about it. And the little subtilities go lost if i watch it with english subs due to communication / language issues.

Not knowing about samurai / Japanese history enough won't impact it that much. I don't know anything about American 19th century history as well, except for naming some presidents, that the civil war happened, abolishing of slavery and Dredd Scott, yet I seem to prefer westerns a lot more than gangster movies for some reason, and i've always seen samurai movies as the Japanese equivalent of American westerns.
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Thanks PA and Tim! :worship:
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Torgo wrote: October 12th, 2021, 8:27 pm 10. 1150 points
8. 1250
7. 1330
5. 1450
4. 1550

Ever breaking up the Top 10 would be so tough if they weren't sorted out by the 400-check-threshold (quite a few are SO close to it).
Well forget that :satstunned:
3. 1600
2. 2050
1. 2424 (D:)
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Thanks for hosting PA :cheers:

Seen 168/500 on the current list but haven't been keeping count of this one. Added 145 titles to my watchlist this year (154 last year--but I have no idea how much overlap there is or how many films didn't catch my interest this time around).
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Thanks PA and Tim. Looking forward to the updated list.

I don't expect a major change in the number seen (currently at 398), but there are a few I will try to see before the next update.
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Thank you for hosting, PA, and to everyone who's participated. Made many additions to my watchlist.
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I did a little better than I thought I would. I was at 185/500...I'm now at 179, if you count that I watched "The Flying Luna Clipper" (WTF) and "Invisible Life" since the countdown began. I think I usually lose 15-20 checks.

Some films that I wish received more love:
The Pearls of the Crown 1937 (!)
Giants and Toys 1958
West of Zanzibar 1928
Mother Küsters Goes to Heaven 1975
Throw Away Your Books, Rally in the Streets 1971
Mandara 1971
Farewell to the Ark 1984
For Heaven's Sake 1926
Une Histoire Simple 1978
Violette 1978
Une Chambre de Ville 1982
A Wedding 1978
Diary of a Shinjuku Thief 1969
From Morn to Midnight 1920
Fruit of Paradise 1970
L'amore 1948
All My Compatriots 1969
Lemonade Joe 1964

A few films that I'm sorry are turning unofficial:, Why Does Herr R. Rum Amok? 1970, Jane B. for Agnes V. 1988, Poem/Uta 1972...but I'm OK with losing LA Plays Itself (again).

And without doing any fresh research on less known titles, some films I know I'd really like to see: Eight Hours Don't Make a Day, The Home & the World, Lucia, The Maggie, Mandabi, Joen, Le Pont du Nord, An Elephant Sitting Still, The Boxer and Death, Himiko, La Region Centrale, Repentance, The Twentieth Century.
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Thanks PA and Tim for all your hard work.

To all the complaintants about the usual suspects topping the list you have 12 months to organise revolt, spread forth news of ICM and the list, tell all friends and family to join our fair community and banish "Carriage to Vienna" et al into the 400 check ether.
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Ebbywebby wrote: October 12th, 2021, 11:31 pm "The Flying Luna Clipper" (WTF)
Caps lock, oversized and red-colored. That's what I call a wtf. :D
joachim saw it too now, becoming the first user to dislike the Clipper. :folded:
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Torgo wrote: October 12th, 2021, 11:42 pm
Ebbywebby wrote: October 12th, 2021, 11:31 pm "The Flying Luna Clipper" (WTF)
Caps lock, oversized and red-colored. That's what I call a wtf. :D
joachim saw it too now, becoming the first user to dislike the Clipper. :folded:
I think it's one of those "review-proof" films. I mean, it's basically crap. But by sheer technological standards of 1987, it's remarkable. So I give up.
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pitchorneirda wrote: October 12th, 2021, 8:19 pm Muddy River will be over 400 checks next year, the "boring duo" will be broken (I genuinely love Carriage to Vienna though)
I have some history with Muddy River, which I still haven’t seen.
1) It played at a film festival in San Francisco when it first came out in the early 80’s, and I planned to take my uncle and aunt (who is Japanese). Something happened that interfered with my plans though, and the film disappeared.

Though I never forgot the title (and still had it on my to see list), I really never came across it until coming to this forum a few years ago and seeing it had become the favorite of this poll.

Coincidentally, around the same time, I was using Netflix with a vpn, and when I tried the Tokyo server, to my surprise it was available to stream. Unfortunately, it didn’t have English subtitles, and though I have seen a couple of films that way in China the first time (Black Coal, Thin Ice, The Assassin, Kali’s Blues), I turned it off after about 10 minutes, and haven’t found it again.
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I was at 20/500, but am now at 23/500 since I've seen 7 of the new entries. Not great numbers compared to some here, but there are others on the list that I have on my watch list and will get to eventually.
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St. Gloede wrote: October 12th, 2021, 8:26 pm
cinewest wrote: October 12th, 2021, 5:35 pm Apart from the explosion of interesting cinema from Eastern Europe in the 1960's that led to many filmmakers escaping to and working in the U.S., the entire region has been given scant attention by cinephiles (except for the fairly recent Romanian wave, and a few standout filmmakers like Tarr and Kieslowski), even after emerging from the Iron Curtain.
Just to clarify, you mean former East-Bloc Europe, correct?

Very few of the key filmmakers escaped to the US. The only one I can think of is Forman. Jasny ended in Germany. A few others ended in exile, including Tarkovsky - though that was later. Most of the others stayed, and either disappeared from the limelight, kept working as before or scaled down before returnibg with comebacks in the 80s. We did see a clampdown on artistic forced in the late 60s with repercussions lasting over the 70s - though you can still find many notable films from this period - including Tarkovsky in his prime.

I don't think there is much of a debate that emerging from the iron curtain was generally a negative for cinema - at least from a cinephile perspective. The way the state studios pushed money into talent, even with their restrictions, lead to an onslaught of greatness it would be very hard to see today - Romania being the key exception - though there is still some interesting stuff coming out of Russia - and there are plenty of films from the ex-Eastern Bloc countries that make it onto the festival circuit, but nowhere near the counter in Latin America. LatAm is showing a lot of promise right now, Argentina in particular developing a really robust mainstream and arthouse cinema with international success and exposure. The Argentinian New Wave clearly had an impact here as well.
Quite a few more filmmakers than Forman escaped the soviet clampdown heading to Hollywood and England, but I am not going to try and spell their names, here, and a fair amount of film productions began again in the 90’s, after the thaw.

As for Latin American films (I am mostly referring to contemporary directors), I rarely see them discussed or included very much or very high in the polls here.

As Old Ale pointed out, 3 of the most successful and popular filmmakers working in Hollywood now are from Mexico, and two very sought after cinematographers can easily be added, yet there doesn’t seem to be much interest among film viewers to cross the border and explore the burgeoning cinema that exists even beyond Mexico, Argentina, and Brazil.

As I said, I have 27 Latin American films on my submission list of 190, and I think only 2 or 3 made the cut. I have noticed a similar disregard in the 2000 and 2010 decade polls beyond a handful of filmmakers.
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Not sure if I have any Nepalese films on my list, but I included at least 3 very good ones on my submission list from neighboring regions that may have Nepalese credits:

Frozen, Travelers and Magicians, and Himalaya, all in my top 50
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Don't forget besides the obvious applause for hosts/organizers of this yearly highlight of ICM, Peaceful and Tim, some acknowledgement for this year's co-presenter of the results, Dimitris Psachos - I couldn't have asked for a more qualified and so film-literate heir of my 2020-position! :poshclap:
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Loved the pace of the roll out, PA.

Will you be providing any further information about the poll, like number of new entries, highest and lowest jumps, or country and director breakdowns?
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Oh yeah, perfect pace there! On point.

Much prefer this to the rollout of the ICM Forum's Favorite Movies (2021 Edition) we had somewhen this year and which drove Lammetje into a fury at first and just despondency later ... but of course still thanks to that other host :$
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cinewest wrote: October 13th, 2021, 3:10 am Loved the pace of the roll out, PA.

Will you be providing any further information about the poll, like number of new entries, highest and lowest jumps, or country and director breakdowns?
I can do the entries, rises/falls stuff. Maybe Tim can do country and director breakdowns?
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PeacefulAnarchy wrote: October 13th, 2021, 3:58 am
cinewest wrote: October 13th, 2021, 3:10 am Loved the pace of the roll out, PA.

Will you be providing any further information about the poll, like number of new entries, highest and lowest jumps, or country and director breakdowns?
I can do the entries, rises/falls stuff. Maybe Tim can do country and director breakdowns?
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PeacefulAnarchy wrote: October 13th, 2021, 3:58 am
cinewest wrote: October 13th, 2021, 3:10 am Loved the pace of the roll out, PA.

Will you be providing any further information about the poll, like number of new entries, highest and lowest jumps, or country and director breakdowns?
I can do the entries, rises/falls stuff. Maybe Tim can do country and director breakdowns?
Of course ... No problem : for the top 500 i guess ?
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Thanks for making this happen, PA and Tim!
AdamH wrote: October 12th, 2021, 9:21 pm I don't think it's boring to have the same films topping the rankings. I don't like the idea of everyone changing their votes just to get a new number one. Would rather have a proper ranking. The top films will eventually reach 400 checks like Les Dimanches did and like Muddy River will very soon.
I couldn't agree more. :)
Torgo wrote: October 13th, 2021, 2:59 am Don't forget besides the obvious applause for hosts/organizers of this yearly highlight of ICM, Peaceful and Tim, some acknowledgement for this year's co-presenter of the results, Dimitris Psachos - I couldn't have asked for a more qualified and so film-literate heir of my 2020-position! :poshclap:
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Here are the breackdown by country (first country if co-production)

USA 80
France 66
Japan 63
UK 32
Czechoslovakia 20
Italy 19
Poland 17
Soviet Union 17
Germany 12
Canada 11
Spain 10
Hungary 9
India 9
West Germany 9
Hong Kong 8
Portugal 8
China 7
Greece 7
Iran 6
Philippines 6
Russia 6
Switzerland 6
Czech Republic 5
Mexico 5
Australia 4
Brazil 4
Norway 4
South Korea 4
Taiwan 4
Yugoslavia 4
Netherlands 3
Austria 2
Bulgaria 2
Chile 2
Cuba 2
East Germany 2
Egypt 2
Israel 2
Romania 2
Vietnam 2
Argentina 1
Belgium 1
Colombia 1
Estonia 1
Georgia 1
Iceland 1
Ireland 1
Morocco 1
New Zealand 1
Senegal 1
Slovakia 1
Sweden 1
Syria 1
Tunisia 1
Uganda 1
Venezuela 1
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Wait, is the UK supposed to be listed twice?
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Breakdown by director

Mikio Naruse 7
Alain Robbe-Grillet 5
Jacques Rivette 5
Satyajit Ray 5
Yoshishige Yoshida 5
Andrzej Zulawski 4
Éric Rohmer 4
Helmut Käutner 4
Aleksandr Sokurov 3
Allan King 3
Andrzej Wajda 3
Franco Piavoli 3
Frederick Wiseman 3
James Benning 3
João César Monteiro 3
Jonas Mekas 3
Krzysztof Zanussi 3
Lav Diaz 3
Maurice Pialat 3
Mike Leigh 3
Pedro Costa 3
Peter Greenaway 3
Sion Sono 3
Aleksandr Petrov 2
Ann Hui 2
Anthony Mann 2
Bert Haanstra 2
Bill Douglas 2
Boris Barnet 2
Carlos Saura 2
Erik Løchen 2
Gakuryû Ishii 2
Gillo Pontecorvo 2
Guy Gilles 2
Heinosuke Gosho 2
Henri Verneuil 2
Hsiao-Hsien Hou 2
Jacques Feyder 2
Jean-Claude Brisseau 2
Jirí Menzel 2
Juraj Herz 2
Karel Kachyna 2
Ken Loach 2
Kenji Mizoguchi 2
Konrad Wolf 2
Morten Skallerud 2
Nagisa Ôshima 2
Nikos Koundouros 2
Pierre Étaix 2
Richard Quine 2
Shohei Imamura 2
Sohrab Shahid Saless 2
Takashi Miike 2
Tomu Uchida 2
Yasujirô Ozu 2
Yasuzô Masumura 2
Yuri Ilyenko 2
Yûzô Kawashima 2

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Abbas Kiarostami 1
Agnès Varda 1
Akio Jissôji 1
Alain Corneau 1
Alan Arkin 1
Alan Berliner 1
Alan Ormsby 1
Alberto Cavalcanti 1
Alejandro Jodorowsky 1
Aleksandr Medvedkin 1
Aleksey German 1
Alessandro Blasetti 1
Alex Gibney 1
Alexander Mackendrick 1
Amir Naderi 1
Anand Gandhi 1
André De Toth 1
Andreas Dresen 1
Andreas Prochaska 1
Andrzej Munk 1
Anh Hung Tran 1
Anthony Asquith 1
Antony Darnborough 1
Aram Avakian 1
Arnaud Desplechin 1
Artavazd Peleshian 1
Athina Rachel Tsangari 1
Basil Dearden 1
Bi Gan 1
Bill Forsyth 1
Bill Morrison 1
Bing Wang 1
Bo Hu 1
Bostjan Hladnik 1
Byambasuren Davaa 1
Carla Simón 1
Carol Reed 1
Chadi Abdel Salam 1
Chaitanya Tamhane 1
Chantal Akerman 1
Charles Burnett 1
Christian James 1
Claire Denis 1
Clarence Brown 1
Claude Autant-Lara 1
Claude Miller 1
Cristóbal León 1
Curtis Harrington 1
D.A. Pennebaker 1
Dang Nhat Minh 1
Daniel Lindsay 1
David Sington 1
Dexter Fletcher 1
Dick Proenneke 1
Diego Quemada-Díez 1
Dimitri Kirsanoff 1
Don Hertzfeldt 1
Dorota Kedzierzawska 1
Dusan Hanák 1
Eckhart Schmidt 1
Edgar Reitz 1
Eduard Grecner 1
Edward Dmytryk 1
Ernest B. Schoedsack 1
Ernst Lubitsch 1
Ferdinand Khittl 1
Fernando Di Leo 1
Fernando Eimbcke 1
Fernando Fernán Gómez 1
France Stiglic 1
Francesco Rosi 1
Franklin J. Schaffner 1
Frantisek Vlácil 1
Fred Barzyk 1
Fred C. Newmeyer 1
Fredi M. Murer 1
Fritz Lang 1
Fruit Chan 1
George Coe 1
George Ovashvili 1
Georges Lautner 1
Geremy Jasper 1
Géza von Radványi 1
Giorgi Shengelaia 1
Giuseppe De Santis 1
Gleb Panfilov 1
Gregory Colbert 1
Grigoriy Chukhray 1
Grzegorz Królikiewicz 1
Guðmundur Arnar Guðmundsson 1
György Fehér 1
Hal Hartley 1
Hark Tsui 1
Hasse Ekman 1
Hayao Miyazaki 1
Henry Barakat 1
Herbert Brenon 1
Herbert Ross 1
Hideaki Anno 1
Hideo Gosha 1
Hiroshi Shimizu 1
Howard Hawks 1
Hugo Fregonese 1
Humberto Solás 1
Hyun-mok Yoo 1
Idrissa Ouedraogo 1
Ikko Ono 1
Ildikó Enyedi 1
Ingmar Bergman 1
Iosif Kheifits 1
Isao Takahata 1
Ivan Passer 1
J. Lee Thompson 1
Jack Arnold 1
Jack Chambers 1
Jack Clayton 1
Jacob Krupnick 1
Jacques Katmor 1
Jacques Rozier 1
Jacques Tourneur 1
Jae-eun Jeong 1
Jafar Panahi 1
James Schamus 1
Jan Hrebejk 1
Jan Schmidt 1
Jan Svankmajer 1
Jaromil Jires 1
Jean Epstein 1
Jean Eustache 1
Jean Rollin 1
Jean-Luc Godard 1
Jean-Xavier de Lestrade 1
Jia 1
Jim Sheridan 1
Jindrich Polák 1
Jirí Barta 1
John Duigan 1
John Guillermin 1
John Sayles 1
José Luis Guerín 1
José Val del Omar 1
Joseph L. Mankiewicz 1
Josh Mond 1
Juan Antonio Bardem 1
Júlia Murat 1
Julien Duvivier 1
Julio Medem 1
Kamran Shirdel 1
Karel Zeman 1
Karim Aïnouz 1
Károly Makk 1
Károly Ujj Mészáros 1
Katsuyuki Motohiro 1
Keisuke Kinoshita 1
Khavn 1
Kidlat Tahimik 1
Kihachi Okamoto 1
King Vidor 1
Kinji Fukasaku 1
Kôhei Oguri 1
Konstantin Bronzit 1
Konstantin Lopushanskiy 1
Koreyoshi Kurahara 1
Kostas Manoussakis 1
Kôzaburô Yoshimura 1
Ladislao Vajda 1
Larry Blamire 1
Larry Peerce 1
Laura Amelia Guzmán 1
Lawrence Gordon Clark 1
Len Powers 1
Lesley Manning 1
Liang Zhao 1
Lina Wertmüller 1
Lino Brocka 1
Lionel Rogosin 1
Liviu Ciulei 1
Luigi Bazzoni 1
Luis Buñuel 1
Luiz Fernando Carvalho 1
Mabel Cheung 1
Mamoru Oshii 1
Mani Kaul 1
Manoel de Oliveira 1
Marc Levin 1
Marcel Carné 1
Marcel L'Herbier 1
Marcel Lozinski 1
Marcel Pagnol 1
Marco Ferreri 1
Margot Benacerraf 1
Marguerite Duras 1
Mariano Llinás 1
Mario Camus 1
Martin Bell 1
Martin Butler 1
Martin Sulík 1
Martti Helde 1
Masaaki Yuasa 1
Masahiro Shinoda 1
Masaki Kobayashi 1
Matthew Rankin 1
Matthias Glasner 1
Maurice Tourneur 1
Max Linder 1
Max Ophüls 1
Metodi Andonov 1
Michael Cacoyannis 1
Michael Roemer 1
Michael Snow 1
Michael Verhoeven 1
Michel Brault 1
Michel Deville 1
Michelangelo Antonioni 1
Mika Ninagawa 1
Miklós Jancsó 1
Milos Forman 1
Mitchell Block 1
Mong-Hong Chung 1
Moufida Tlatli 1
Nabil Ayouch 1
Nabwana I.G.G. 1
Nathan Fielder 1
Nien-Jen Wu 1
Nikola Tanhofer 1
Nikolaus Geyrhalter 1
Nikos Nikolaidis 1
Nikos Papatakis 1
Noel Marshall 1
Nora Fingscheidt 1
Olivier Assayas 1
Otakar Vávra 1
Ousmane Sembene 1
Patricio Guzmán 1
Patrick Bokanowski 1
Paul Katis 1
Paulo Rocha 1
Pavel Jurácek 1
Pawel Lozinski 1
Penelope Spheeris 1
Peter B. Hutton 1
Péter Bacsó 1
Peter Fleischmann 1
Peter Mettler 1
Peter Solan 1
Peter Ustinov 1
Peter Watkins 1
Petr Václav 1
Phil Karlson 1
Philip Haas 1
Philippe Garrel 1
Phillip Borsos 1
Pierre Perrault 1
Pierre Schoendoerffer 1
Pietro Marcello 1
Piotr Szulkin 1
Quentin Dupieux 1
Radu Jude 1
Rainer Werner Fassbinder 1
Ramin Bahrani 1
Raoul Ruiz 1
Raoul Walsh 1
Raymond Bernard 1
Rebecca Miller 1
Renato Castellani 1
René Clair 1
René Clément 1
Ricky Lau 1
Robert E. Fulton 1
Robert Hossein 1
Robert Siodmak 1
Robert Townsend 1
Roberto Farias 1
Roberto Gavaldón 1
Roberto Rossellini 1
Robin Anderson 1
Roger Donaldson 1
Rolf de Heer 1
Ryszard Bugajski 1
S.R. Bindler 1
SABU 1
Sacha Guitry 1
Samuel Maoz 1
Sang-soo Hong 1
Sean Ellis 1
Sebastian Schipper 1
Seijun Suzuki 1
Sergey Loznitsa 1
Sharunas Bartas 1
Shu Shuen Tong 1
Shûji Terayama 1
Shyam Benegal 1
Spike Lee 1
Stan Brakhage 1
Stanislaw Rózewicz 1
Stanley Kwan 1
Stefan Uher 1
Stephen Dunn 1
Steve James 1
Takashi Ito 1
Takashi Koizumi 1
Tengiz Abuladze 1
Terence Davies 1
Tetsuya Nakashima 1
Tewfik Saleh 1
Thierno Faty Sow 1
Timothy James Kane 1
Tom Noonan 1
Tomás Gutiérrez Alea 1
Toshiaki Toyoda 1
Toshio Matsumoto 1
Václav Marhoul 1
Václav Vorlícek 1
Valerio Zurlini 1
Valeska Grisebach 1
Victor A. Turin 1
Víctor Gaviria 1
Vittorio De Seta 1
Vulo Radev 1
Walon Green 1
Warwick Thornton 1
Wen Jiang 1
Willard Huyck 1
Willi Forst 1
William A. Wellman 1
William Gazecki 1
William Klein 1
Xavier Koller 1
Yang Li 1
Yong-Kyun Bae 1
Yuliya Solntseva 1
Yuriy Bykov 1
Yves Allégret 1
Yves Robert 1
Zoltán Fábri 1
Zoltán Huszárik 1

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kongs_speech wrote: October 13th, 2021, 11:25 am Wait, is the UK supposed to be listed twice?
Blame OMDB :folded:
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Amazing statistics, Tim! (and big thanks for your efforts here too)

Note, there is a United Kingdom at the bottom, not listed with UK.

As for the distribution, it looks fairly "healthy" though filled with the obvious suspects - with Czechoslovakia and other ex-Eastern Bloc countries being slightly more focused on here than in the general cinephile community.

Egypt being the only African country with 2 films represented, and only 6 African films on the list in total is a little problematic - and I hope we can get better at sharing great African films as this is a clear blind spot. Egypt in particular has had a much bigger following in International film circles, especially for the "older guard".

Cinewest brought up Latin America previously as well, and it is fairly shocking that two giant film countries, in particular, Brazil with its notable New Wave, classic cinema and modern production only has 4 entries, with Argentina ending on 1 entry. This could be because the big Argentinian exports from recent years having crossed the 400 check mark - and that this is more likely as their big films are more recent than those of Brazil - but terrible numbers still. Including Mexico, the Caribbean, etc. Latin America as a whole only has 16/500 entries. We can clearly work better here, and unearth more hidden films from these fairly respectable film nations - including Chile - which had a short but strong impact in the 60s and has been going strong of late - as well as Cuba, which also has a large, recognized cinematic history.
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kongs_speech wrote: October 13th, 2021, 11:25 am Wait, is the UK supposed to be listed twice?
Corrected...OMDb Country tag isn't that consistent ;(
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