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GruesomeTwosome wrote: September 11th, 2021, 7:56 pm Golden Lion winner at Venice: L’evenement / Happening (Audrey Diwan) https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/levenement/
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Just a question: Have the mods ever considered using the abridged version of the Rip shorts instead of listing them separately in the Library of Congress's National Film Registry, like you did with Dog Star Man, for example?
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Seems like they should, since the Library of Congress also lists the abridged version (although with a year of release "1896" - well ..).

[ninja edit]Announcement of additions from the LoC: "films made before 1900 ("Blacksmith Scene," "Rip Van Winkle")"
https://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9602/nfr.html

Wiki entry: "The films were so popular that the production company (which changed its name to the Biograph Company) edited the scenes into a single feature in 1903."
Must love the Rip Cinematic Universe.
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We haven't discussed it, no. Makes sense to me. Back when I joined ICM I thought they should be listed under that entry, but I've totally forgotten about those films. I'll wait to hear what others think before making a change.
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I'm inclined to disagree. The 1903 imdb entry is just a compilation film of the 1896 individual shorts.
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Which is exactly what the National Film Registry was adding to their list, not 8 clips on their own. Again, see on their website / in the notice for 1995.
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Torgo wrote: September 14th, 2021, 8:57 pm Which is exactly what the National Film Registry was adding to their list, not 8 clips on their own. Again, see on their website / in the notice for 1995.
Not necessarily. They have other single entries that are for collections of films. The home videos one from a few years ago comes to mind (I forget the name of the grouping).

I know they also do make mistakes sometimes, but the fact that they list 1896 instead of 1903 also indicates to me that they mean the collection of shorts, not the re-edited compilation.
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Well then how do you explain THIS, Mister Ferg?

https://www.loc.gov/programs/national-f ... nd-essays/
Rip Van Winkle (1896)
The scenes were available to exhibitors as individual films that could be shown together or separately in any order they chose. They proved so popular that the scenes were edited together as a single film released in 1903.
Clearly if they wanted to emphasize the meaning of the individual shorts on their own, they would have bothered to name ONE SINGLE TITLE of them. Instead, the compilation is brought up with its release date and the entry is named like it.

I mean the reasoning makes sense, doesn't it?
(I also like to declutter things where possible :rolleyes: Because we did that with Dog Star Man, as mentioned, when we could)
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Torgo wrote: September 14th, 2021, 11:42 pm Well then how do you explain THIS, Mister Ferg?

https://www.loc.gov/programs/national-f ... nd-essays/
Rip Van Winkle (1896)
The scenes were available to exhibitors as individual films that could be shown together or separately in any order they chose. They proved so popular that the scenes were edited together as a single film released in 1903.
Clearly if they wanted to emphasize the meaning of the individual shorts on their own, they would have bothered to name ONE SINGLE TITLE of them. Instead, the compilation is brought up with its release date and the entry is named like it.

I mean the reasoning makes sense, doesn't it?
(I also like to declutter things where possible :rolleyes: Because we did that with Dog Star Man, as mentioned, when we could)
You really don't need to shout me down to be heard, Torgo. I will listen to you, regardless.

I wasn't a mod when Dog Star Man was switched out, but my understanding was the the switch was made not simply to declutter, but because it was a single film that was erroneously split into parts.

Here's the full text for RVW:
Rip Van Winkle (1896)
Renowned stage actor Joseph Jefferson made a career of portraying Washington Irving's mercurial title character beginning in the mid 1800s and by the 1890s was the most famous actor in America. Capitalizing on Jefferson's success, Edison protege William K.L. Dickson filmed the actor in eight scenes from the fantasy tale set in New York's Catskill Mountains. The scenes were available to exhibitors as individual films that could be shown together or separately in any order they chose. They proved so popular that the scenes were edited together as a single film released in 1903. The film's success helped Dickson's Biograph company, successor to his original American Mutoscope Company, the most popular studio in the country.
The fact that they were initially made and screened as individual films makes me think they should remain as separate items. The fact that they were later compiled into a single film doesn't sway me (and if that's what happened with Dog Star Man, my stance would be that the individual films should be listed instead of the compilation entry). An analogy for me would be replacing all lists that include The Godfather trilogy as a single entry with the TV entry that combines them all into one long film.

I searched through the LOC list and found a few other examples of multiple films being included in a single entry:
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#774-779 wrote:Fuentes Family Home Movies Collection (1920s and 1930s)
Longtime Corpus Christi, Texas, residents Antonio Rodríguez Fuentes (1895-1988) and Josefina Barrera Fuentes (1898-1993) were very active in their local Mexican-American community. Their collection of home movies — mostly from the 1920s and shot on 9.5 mm amateur film format — are among the earliest visual records of the Mexican-American community in Texas and among the first recorded by Mexican-American filmmakers. As with the best home movies, the images provide a priceless snapshot of time and place, including parades, holidays, fashions and the rituals of daily life. The beautiful images also reflect the traditionally fluid nature of the U.S.-Mexico border. The collection is a joint project between the Texas Archive of the Moving Image and Texas A&M University-Corpus Christi.
#295-301 wrote:Why We Fight (1942-1945)
Why We Fight
Under the auspices of the Office of War Information's Bureau of Motion Pictures, Frank Capra directed a series of seven government training and propaganda films under the unifying title "Why We Fight." The films were narrated by Walter Huston, and most of the footage came from newsreels, studio libraries, government footage and from British and Russian sources. Capra and his crew had very few tools of the trade available to them: No actors, no dialog, no lighting, no sets. The one tool they did have was editing and the strength of "Why We Fight" lies in its editing. The seven titles in the series are "Prelude to War,""The Nazis Strike," "Divide and Conquer," "The Battle of Britain," "The Battle of Russia," "The Battle of China" and "War Comes to America."
#354-357, 359-361 wrote:Navajo Film Themselves [aka Through Navajo Eyes] (1966)
In a project that incorporated both anthropological and communications theory, university professors Sol Worth and John Adair taught a group of Navajo students in Pine Springs, Arizona to make documentary films. The researchers wanted to know if it was possible to teach filmmaking to members of a different culture, and how films made by Navajos might differ from films made by outsiders. The research team met with their students for eight hours a day, five days a week for two months. They gave their students basic instructions, while emphasizing that the students should make a film about whatever was important to them. At the end of the project, the students had completed seven films, some of which featured traditional artisans such as weavers, silversmiths and sand painters. Other students created more poetically abstract films depicting Navajo culture as a whole. The films originally shown in the local community, but have since gained a wider audience through outside screenings and DVD release.
#702-730 wrote:Solomon Sir Jones films (1924-28)
Solomon Sir Jones was a Baptist minister and businessman who also had an important career as an accomplished amateur filmmaker. Jones was born in Tennessee to former slaves and grew up in the South before moving to Oklahoma in 1889. As described on the website of Yale University's Beinecke Rare Book & Manuscript Library, the Solomon Sir Jones films in Yale's collection consist of 29 silent black-and-white films documenting African-American communities in Oklahoma from 1924 to 1928. They contain nearly 355 minutes of footage shot with then-new 16-mm cameras. The films document a rich tapestry of everyday life: funerals, sporting events, schools, parades, businesses, Masonic meetings, river baptisms, families at home, African-American oil barons and their wells, black colleges, Juneteenth celebrations and a transcontinental footrace. Jones also documented his travels. IndieWire termed these films "the most extensive film records we have of Southern and urban black life and culture at the time of rapid social and cultural change for African-Americans during the 1920's, the very beginning of the Great Migration, which transformed not only black people as a whole, but America itself." The Smithsonian also has nine reels of film, comprising approximately two hours of footage. The films have been preserved by Yale University Beinecke Rare Book and Manuscript Library and the Smithsonian National Museum of African American History and Culture.
It's not an exhaustive list, but it demonstrates that the Rip Van Winkle films are not a unique anomaly. While I understand and appreciate the desire for "one film/item per entry", I'd prefer to stick to the source/original version of the film instead of modifying things to fit our preference of having everything neat and tidy.
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Alright, then. May others cast their votes. :ICM:

+ + +

Something else. I observed that the ICM Most Favorited list didn't update this Monday, while the last "update" on Thursday didn't result in a single rank change - very improbable.
https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/iche ... favorited/
Looks bugged / stuck.
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Yep .. ICM Most Favorite stuck.
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Same with all of the IMDB lists and the ICM Most Checked list.
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OK, I've reported the issue.
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Belfast won People's Choice Award at TIFF.

Let's see if this one keeps the Oscar Nomination streak going.
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Kenneth Branagh? Overdue for an Oscar I’d say, hopefully it’s good
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yllow wrote: September 20th, 2021, 12:20 pm Kenneth Branagh? Overdue for an Oscar I’d say, hopefully it’s good
Interesting bit of trivia: he has 5 nominations so far, in 5 different categories (Director, Lead Actor, Supporting Actor, Adapted Screenplay, Short Film). Wonder if anybody else can match that?

IMO he deserved both Best Pic and Director nods for his first film, Henry V, a much better film than any of the actual nominees that year (one of the worst years ever for Oscar to this viewer's taste), and one of the best films that was eligible. Not sure what he's done since that I'd agree is award-worthy but he continues to be an interesting figure, and seems to have figured out how to keep himself a fairly big name both in the box office blockbusters and in the arthouse. As an actor I'd actually probably have given him the nod for his terrific comic performance as Gilderoy Lockhart in Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, possibly the best performance in the whole series, but acting in those kinds of films nearly always gets ignored come awards time.
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joachimt wrote: August 31st, 2021, 6:54 pm This time a non-Chinese new entry in the BO list.
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/free+guy/
Next update there will be a chinese and one half chinese.

Such a shame that Couples Retreat will become unofficial :(
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dirty_score wrote: September 20th, 2021, 3:38 pm Next update there will be a chinese and one half chinese.
Titles?
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dirty_score wrote: September 19th, 2021, 9:41 am Belfast won People's Choice Award at TIFF.

Let's see if this one keeps the Oscar Nomination streak going.
TIFF winner + Kenneth Branagh + Judi Dench + period piece about childhood and Ireland = Nomination guaranteed. Win, quite likely.
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Onderhond wrote: September 20th, 2021, 4:18 pm
dirty_score wrote: September 20th, 2021, 3:38 pm Next update there will be a chinese and one half chinese.
Titles?
Raging Fire a.k.a. Nou Fo
Shang Chi & the legend of the 10 rings

brokenface wrote: September 20th, 2021, 8:16 pm
dirty_score wrote: September 19th, 2021, 9:41 am Belfast won People's Choice Award at TIFF.

Let's see if this one keeps the Oscar Nomination streak going.
TIFF winner + Kenneth Branagh + Judi Dench + period piece about childhood and Ireland = Nomination guaranteed. Win, quite likely.
Don't forget it's also in black in white.
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dirty_score wrote: September 20th, 2021, 8:32 pm Raging Fire a.k.a. Nou Fo
Shang Chi & the legend of the 10 rings
Nice, hopefully Benny Chan's final film will be available soon enough.
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OldAle1 wrote: September 20th, 2021, 12:50 pm
yllow wrote: September 20th, 2021, 12:20 pm Kenneth Branagh? Overdue for an Oscar I’d say, hopefully it’s good
Interesting bit of trivia: he has 5 nominations so far, in 5 different categories (Director, Lead Actor, Supporting Actor, Adapted Screenplay, Short Film). Wonder if anybody else can match that?
Kenneth Branagh's 5 nominations come in 5 categories from 4 films:
Henry V (1989): director, lead actor
Swan Song (1992): live action short
Hamlet (1996): adapted screenplay
My Week with Marilyn (2011): supporting actor

I only track the Big 8 noms (film/producing, acting, directing, writing), but from what I remember only person who matches Branagh is:

George Clooney has 8 nominations (with 2 wins) in 6 categories from 7 films:
Good Night, and Good Luck. (2005): original screenplay, director
Syriana (2005): supporting actor (win)
Michael Clayton (2007): supporting actor
Up in the Air (2009): lead actor
The Ides of March (2011): adapted screenplay
The Descendants (2011): lead actor
Argo (2012): best picture/producer (win)

I found this article about Clooney too: https://deadline.com/2013/02/oscars-geo ... ds-436446/

Then there's Walt Disney, with a tonne of nominations in...
short subject, cartoons
honorary award (for creating mickey mouse, for snow white, for fantasia, an Irving G. Thalberg award)
documentary
short subject, two-reel
documentary short
live action short (which may be the successor to the two-reel award)
best picture/producer (for Mary Poppins)
So that's 6 or 8 categories.

Other contenders:

Laurence Olivier was nominated for director, lead actor, supporting actor, and received two separate Honorary Oscars (a lifetime one and a Hamlet one), but the academy didn't award producers statues for best film back when he was active, otherwise he would count in that category too. So that's 4, 5, or 6 categories depending on how you count it.

Warren Beatty has 15 nominations (with 2 wins) in 6 categories from 6 films, including being nominated in 4 different categories in a single year twice:

Bonnie and Clyde (1967): best picture/producer, lead actor
Shampoo (1975): original screenplay
Heaven Can Wait (1978): best picture/producer, director, lead actor, adapted screenplay
Reds (1981): best picture/producer, director (win), lead actor, original screenplay
Bugsy (1991): best picture/producer, lead actor
Bulworth (1998): original screenplay
Honorary Oscar (2000): Irving G. Thalberg Memorial Award (win)

I'm sure I'm missing other people, but these are the ones that came to mind/showed up in a quick search.
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Fergenaprido wrote: September 21st, 2021, 4:19 am I'm sure I'm missing other people, but these are the ones that came to mind/showed up in a quick search.
The Coen brothers must be up there too, right?
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Nathan Treadway wrote: September 21st, 2021, 6:57 pm
Fergenaprido wrote: September 21st, 2021, 4:19 am I'm sure I'm missing other people, but these are the ones that came to mind/showed up in a quick search.
The Coen brothers must be up there too, right?
They're both at 5 categories: director, original screenplay, adapted screenplay, editing, and best picture/producer
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Dune entering the IMDb Top 250 at #96 with this update.

This is actually the first time I see a score for this - involuntarily. ^^
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Torgo wrote: September 23rd, 2021, 1:57 am Dune entering the IMDb Top 250 at #96 with this update.

This is actually the first time I see a score for this - involuntarily. ^^
Involuntarily? Not sure what that means.
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Worth noting, since comparisons between the two sites are a popular subject around here, that it also entered the Letterboxd top 250 earlier this week at #196.
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Well, well. Thanks.

sol wrote: September 23rd, 2021, 2:33 pm
Torgo wrote: September 23rd, 2021, 1:57 am This is actually the first time I see a score for this - involuntarily. ^^
Involuntarily? Not sure what that means.
Off topic:
Like, not voluntarily, or not actively seeked out? :think: Perhaps you can't really phrase it like that in English, you will know that better than me.
Either way it was just me thinking aloud. There are two ways to approach new, much-anticipated movies for me: a) Actively visit sites like IMDb, Metacritic or Rotten Tomatoes to see that for example that new Cats musical is doing really really bad and is likely to suck, contrary to my expectations, lowering my curiosity (or improving it in a special case like this :ph43r: ) - b) Try to evade all those sites to be able to take a completely neutral and unaffected first look at said work. For tentpole releases such as Inception, Joker or also Dune it's very hard to not get aware of their public appraisal if you browse film sites, release notes et cetera as much as me, it will only work for a few days or weeks at best. This forces you to visit the theater as soon as possible if you want to take a fresh look. (Speaking of force: Star Wars Episode 9 was such a case where I wanted to judge the movie free of all the talk and reviews on the net which I indeed managed. Walking out of the screening, I was scratching my head if that film I just watched would suit the fanbase enough to make the movie enter the IMDb Top 250. .. well, it didn't.)
So, my "ignore all Dune reviews + scores" did work for a complete week now .. until ICM ruined my plan. I forgot the very existence of the Top 250 since so few new movies entered it the last years. :P

Hope that was understandable
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No, I think you've used the word "involuntary" correctly. I guess some of us just wondered what you were getting at, so the context really helped.
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Yes - what xianjiro said. I was confused how you could involuntarily see the score for a movie rather than voluntarily see it. I think I'm clear on it now. ;)
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So, this cult anime (mini-)series Ping Pong the Animation (2014) entered ICM's Most Favorited films .. at rank 10. :huh:
I like to check what happens there and approximately 80% of the updates since summer included Notre-Dame de Paris (1998), O vasilias (2002) and Svetat e golyam i spasenie debne otvsyakade (2008), especially the Notrish one. Is anyone else monitoring them, too? It's almost too constant to be a coincidence .. :ermm:


[edit]Ah, PP was even made by Masaaki Yuasa - the style from the preview pics looked kinda like him, and I mean, it does look great with or without the name attached. Not saying the #10 entry is some mafia type of action, I was only noting the very high entry.
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I also monitor the list Torgo as I like to keep an eye on new entries in case they appeal to me. Seems strange that a film which hasn't been favourited by any user in over 2 months suddenly enters at number 10?! That doesn't seem right to me.

I'm almost certain that something is not quite right behind the scenes as the list seems to fluctuate between two different versions each time it updates, even though most of the new films don't seem to have been favourited by any new users each time.

There was a bug related to the list that had to be fixed a few years back so maybe something similar is happening again now?
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I think it's because it's a TV series and something was accidentally changed allowing them again when the lack of updates issue was fixed last week. Weird that it took until now to update, though.
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New MoC additions;

The Love of Jeanne Ney [Die Liebe der Jeanne Ney] (1927)
Champion (1949)
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But at the bottom, the immanent philosopher sees in the entire universe only the deepest longing for absolute annihilation, and it is as if he clearly hears the call that permeates all spheres of heaven: Redemption! Redemption! Death to our life! and the comforting answer: you will all find annihilation and be redeemed!
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updated thanks
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Lonewolf2003 wrote: September 30th, 2021, 6:15 pm New MoC additions;

The Love of Jeanne Ney [Die Liebe der Jeanne Ney] (1927)
Champion (1949)
did this update get missed?
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yes, I saw but wasn't at a computer, and I'm not now either. Hopefully either I remember or someone else does it.
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I saw it but didn't compute that it needed to be added on icm. Brainfart on my part. :facepalm:

Both MoC films added now. Jeanne Ney is now on 3 lists and Champion on 2.

Also, here's the new URL for the Lola winner: https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/ich ... in+mensch/
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Fergenaprido wrote: August 16th, 2021, 11:03 pm Z, Dersu Uzala, and Nostalgia all passed the 25,000 vote threshold in the past few weeks (the latter two just today), and I'm rather surprised that none of them entered the Top 250 list.

A bunch of older films popped back in after the change, including Sunrise and Fanny & Alexander. Not sure how long they'll last. Beyond that, the only possibilities to newly join the list are Wolfwalkers (8.1 rating and 500 votes away), or new releases.
Minor update, but Z just entered the Top 250 at #179. Not sure why it took almost two months and a few hundred extra votes before it showed up... must be something in the algorithm about questionable votes. I wonder if this means Dersu Uzala and Nostalgia will show up after all, since they were slightly behind Z in votes.

Sunrise & Fanny are still sticking around, while Wolfwalkers didn't make it.
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