Welcome to the ICM Forum. If you have an account but have trouble logging in, or have other questions, see THIS THREAD.
NOTE: Board emails should be working again. Information on forum upgrade and style issues.
Podcast: Talking Images (Episode 22 released November 17th * EXCLUSIVE * We Are Mentioned in a Book!!! Interview with Mary Guillermin on Rapture, JG & More)
ICMForum Manager Cup signup
Polls: Red Planet: Essential Cinema (Results), Western (Results), 2020 (Aug 29th)
Challenges: <400, Korean, Action/Adventure

Covid-19 Quarantine

Post Reply

Got it?

Yeah, I got it and feel HORRIBLE.
0
No votes
Yes, I got it, but am doing okay.
3
6%
Yes, I had it but have recovered.
3
6%
I think I had it, but not sure.
3
6%
No, still waiting.
9
17%
No, I know I won't get it. Ever.
7
13%
I got vaccinated!
27
50%
What are we talking about? I live under a rock.
2
4%
 
Total votes: 54

User avatar
Pretentious Hipster
Donator
Posts: 21447
Joined: October 24th, 2011, 6:00 am
Contact:

#2601

Post by Pretentious Hipster »

Seems like they're letting other countries mass produce the vaccines as well. If the third world actually becomes ok cause of Cuba then first world big pharma is gonna be a laughing stock lol
User avatar
xianjiro
Donator
Posts: 9750
Joined: June 17th, 2015, 6:00 am
Location: Kakistani Left Coast
Contact:

#2602

Post by xianjiro »

Pretentious Hipster wrote: June 22nd, 2021, 12:31 pm Seems like they're letting other countries mass produce the vaccines as well. If the third world actually becomes ok cause of Cuba then first world big pharma is gonna be a laughing stock lol
they already are

The main things though - can the Cubans get this out to the public in the underdeveloped and developing world with minimal cost and risk. If they figure that part out, they will have done more to put the skids on the pandemic than anyone.

Also, if their initial test results hold up, their vaccines would be more effective than the Russian, Chinese, and maybe Indian vaccines. I also have to wonder if the heterogeneity of the Cuban population provided a wider range of DNA for the tests. Saw one report that a Chinese test was X% effective in China, but something like X-30 in Brazil and that made me wonder if there was some genetic variation between the populations that came into play, but I admit that the actual vaccine mechanics are a bit beyond my interest level, especially with so many in development and I only took one.

Now just to wait to see if we need to get a booster ...
User avatar
kongs_speech
Posts: 1902
Joined: April 4th, 2020, 10:32 pm
Location: FL
Contact:

#2603

Post by kongs_speech »

Getting my first dose very soon hopefully.
🏳️‍⚧️
Quartoxuma wrote: A deeply human, life-affirming disgusting check whore.
Image
User avatar
Knaldskalle
Moderator
Posts: 10527
Joined: May 9th, 2011, 6:00 am
Location: New Mexico, USA
Contact:

#2604

Post by Knaldskalle »

Pretentious Hipster wrote: June 22nd, 2021, 12:31 pm Seems like they're letting other countries mass produce the vaccines as well. If the third world actually becomes ok cause of Cuba then first world big pharma is gonna be a laughing stock lol
Manufacturing is probably a bigger hurdle than "intellectual property" rights. There are only so many places in the world that can manufacture these things at a sufficiently high standard (even the US has had issues with manufacturing the vaccines), so the question is if there are enough places to get the stuff made.
ImageImageImageImage

Please don't hurt yourself, talk to someone.
User avatar
brokenface
Donator
Posts: 13914
Joined: December 29th, 2011, 7:00 am
Contact:

#2605

Post by brokenface »

The more working vaccines there are, the better, but as Knald says it'll be the difficulty of large scale manufacture and distribution that will mean Cuban vaccines (or any other still in trials) will not be just swooping in and saving the third world. It'll be more country by country going for one which is most available for them.

Bear in mind it's taken 6 months from approval to now for big pharma to get their vaccines in decent % of population in rich countries with established vaccine manufacturing facilities and fewer distribution issues. Cuban vaccines are not even at approval now so even in a best case scenario timeline it's not going to be making much of a blip in the ocean of global demand this year. Oxford/AZ and China's vaccine been the main ones globally outside of the wealthy countries that are mostly using pfizer.
User avatar
Pretentious Hipster
Donator
Posts: 21447
Joined: October 24th, 2011, 6:00 am
Contact:

#2606

Post by Pretentious Hipster »

Tbh I don't see it getting approved, since they're one of the "enemy countries". I did see that Iran are doing trials for it, and that Venezuela will start production of it though.
User avatar
brokenface
Donator
Posts: 13914
Joined: December 29th, 2011, 7:00 am
Contact:

#2607

Post by brokenface »

well no it probably won't be approved in any western countries, certainly zero chance US will. Partly attitude but mainly just not needed at this point for countries which already have high % of people vaccinated and decent supply of several different vaccines already. It'll be specific countries who have need for supply and a relationship with Cuba that will look to use it, hence Venezuela, Iran.

And realistically there aren't going to be supplies to use it on a big global scale so approval everywhere is a moot point.
User avatar
Pretentious Hipster
Donator
Posts: 21447
Joined: October 24th, 2011, 6:00 am
Contact:

#2608

Post by Pretentious Hipster »

I feel like it might be important depending on the variants. It is mentioned that the Cuban vaccine is quite effective in dealing with the Brazilian variant for example. With worldwide mass production of the vaccines from other countries it might help in dealing with future variants that some vaccines are not as effective against. Kind of like pooling them together to find, or even create, the best solution.
User avatar
Knaldskalle
Moderator
Posts: 10527
Joined: May 9th, 2011, 6:00 am
Location: New Mexico, USA
Contact:

#2609

Post by Knaldskalle »

Do you think the offer of a Cuban "alternative" vaccine is going to go over well with any most Trumpian holdouts? :whistling:

But the more vaccines the better, it may turn out that some of them are more efficient than others against future variants.
ImageImageImageImage

Please don't hurt yourself, talk to someone.
User avatar
xianjiro
Donator
Posts: 9750
Joined: June 17th, 2015, 6:00 am
Location: Kakistani Left Coast
Contact:

#2610

Post by xianjiro »

Think that even if by some miracle they could manufacture enough to inoculate 3-4 billion, the logistics of distribution and administration are going to be a severe challenge throughout most of Africa and even in Latin American, the Caribbean, and SE Asia/Oceania. Granted, there hasn't been enough will to move vaccines around the planet quite yet, but it's also really early, honestly. Parts of Europe and other richer countries in the Middle East (for example) are way behind. I've no idea, again for example, how Indonesia will manage to get 270 million vaccinated. Or Fiji.

For a disease that would die in the heat of summer, it's sure finding ways to spread through equatorial regions - maybe not like it did in the northern winter, but it's still quite concerning.
User avatar
Armoreska
Posts: 13991
Joined: November 1st, 2012, 6:00 am
Location: Ukraine, former Free Territory
Contact:

#2611

Post by Armoreska »

Knaldskalle wrote: June 15th, 2021, 3:19 pm
Pretentious Hipster wrote: June 15th, 2021, 2:09 am America did an amazing act of donating Pfizer vaccines to Trinidad!

There was just one problem...they were given 80 doses
I just read that Denmark donated 500,000 doses to Ukraine. And Denmark's vaccination rate is lower than that of the US.
gimme one!
he or A. or Armo or any

Image
currently working towards a vegan/free world + thru such film lists: GODARD, r/antinatalism recommends,..
the rest
ANARCHISTS, ANIMAL RIGHTS, Assisted suicide, Existential films, SOCIALIST CINEMA (an amalgamation of lists), Feminist lists, various GSSRM lists (aka LGBTQ+), 2010s bests, Visual Effects nominees, kid-related stuff, great animes (mini-serie or feature), very 80s movies, mah huge sci-fi list, ENVIRO, remarkable Silent Films and Pre-Code (exploring 1925 atm) and every shorts and docu list I'm aware of and
/forum.icmforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1434
and "Gordon" Liu Chia-Hui/Liu Chia-Liang and Yuen Woo-ping and "Sammo" Hung Kam-bo
imaginary awards | youtube channels | complaint lounge | explain how big a fan of slavery you are here, ..viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1535 and here: ..viewtopic.php?f=12&t=4484
User avatar
xianjiro
Donator
Posts: 9750
Joined: June 17th, 2015, 6:00 am
Location: Kakistani Left Coast
Contact:

#2612

Post by xianjiro »

Iran’s Supreme Leader Khamenei receives local COVID vaccine

Human trials on the COVIran Barekat vaccine began in late December and about 24,000 volunteers have received jabs as part of a third phase of trials that recently concluded.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/6/2 ... id-vaccine

seems it won't be up to only the Cubans to save the developing world. It might actually take many nations ... but distribution is still going to be a challenge.
User avatar
Pretentious Hipster
Donator
Posts: 21447
Joined: October 24th, 2011, 6:00 am
Contact:

#2613

Post by Pretentious Hipster »

Looks like covid hit North Korea
User avatar
xianjiro
Donator
Posts: 9750
Joined: June 17th, 2015, 6:00 am
Location: Kakistani Left Coast
Contact:

#2614

Post by xianjiro »

people have been remarking about his unexplained weight loss
Spoiler
Image
maybe the 'great crisis' and 'grave incident' saw the great leader humbled by the tiny virus
User avatar
Pretentious Hipster
Donator
Posts: 21447
Joined: October 24th, 2011, 6:00 am
Contact:

#2615

Post by Pretentious Hipster »

Tbh I think that's going a bit far. I'm assuming he just lost weight naturally. I mean, he doesn't look unhealthily skinny now.
User avatar
weirdboy
Donator
Posts: 4105
Joined: January 3rd, 2016, 7:00 am
Contact:

#2616

Post by weirdboy »

Yeah maybe he is just on a diet.
User avatar
Pretentious Hipster
Donator
Posts: 21447
Joined: October 24th, 2011, 6:00 am
Contact:

#2617

Post by Pretentious Hipster »

Off topic but that's my beef with news regarding North Korea. There's so much ridiculous and frankly contradictory news articles, like men MUST have his hair vs men are NOT ALLOWED to have his hair, or him being dead and then not dead then dead again. It's impossible to find out what's actually going on there and those articles are not helping.

I actually did see a fascinating documentary on it made by a South Korean. It didn't show it in a positive light, but at the same it showed how exaggerated some aspects are said from the west (their standard of living actually seems ok).
User avatar
Pretentious Hipster
Donator
Posts: 21447
Joined: October 24th, 2011, 6:00 am
Contact:

#2618

Post by Pretentious Hipster »

I guess the news outlet might be random, but the source of it is reputable. Seems like the virus did not come from a lab as it has a similar patterns to animal-to-human virus transmissions

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/ ... -1.4615247
User avatar
joachimt
Donator
Posts: 34213
Joined: February 16th, 2012, 7:00 am
Location: Netherlands
Contact:

#2619

Post by joachimt »

In the meantime in The Netherlands.......

Image
ICM-profile
Fergenaprido: "I find your OCD to be adorable, J"
User avatar
Knaldskalle
Moderator
Posts: 10527
Joined: May 9th, 2011, 6:00 am
Location: New Mexico, USA
Contact:

#2620

Post by Knaldskalle »

Re: North Korea. I wouldn't be surprised if the regime suddenly sees a spike in Covid-19 cases that largely features people looking like Holocaust victims. Don't forget that North Korea's population dropped by ~5% in the mid-1990s due to famine and they're currently going through another situation with food shortages. Last year's harvest drowned due to flooding and this year isn't looking much better, apparently. In the meantime, before the new harvest comes in, there's a food shortage.
ImageImageImageImage

Please don't hurt yourself, talk to someone.
User avatar
xianjiro
Donator
Posts: 9750
Joined: June 17th, 2015, 6:00 am
Location: Kakistani Left Coast
Contact:

#2621

Post by xianjiro »

I am going on record now as saying we are heading into yet another wave in the US since 1) the feds have encouraged everyone to let down their guard {note: in places that had any guard} and 2) since cases have started to rise again nationally (in 42 states I read today) thanks to Delta and I predict soon, Delta Plus. On top of that, we now have Lambda as a variant of interest from Peru - so that's 11 named (by Greek letter, so we can keep them in order more easily) variants - anyway, Lambda, while new, is rumored to be as much trouble as Delta but also even better at working around the vaccine. Time will tell.

And let's not forget all those who haven't gotten around to getting vaccinated yet but will, and those who are waiting for full FDA approval (emergency approval isn't good enough), and less we forget the outright anti-vaxxers. On top of all that, we have the under-12s who can't be vaccinated.

Nope. It's happened time and again. In country after country. And nobody's learning the lesson.

Yeah, I will wear my mask indoors through at least the end of the year - probably through next spring.

It's not over until the fat virus croaks. :(
User avatar
sebby
Posts: 6809
Joined: July 4th, 2011, 6:00 am
Contact:

#2622

Post by sebby »

xianjiro wrote: July 12th, 2021, 10:21 am I am going on record now as saying we are heading into yet another wave in the US since 1) the feds have encouraged everyone to let down their guard {note: in places that had any guard} and 2) since cases have started to rise again nationally (in 42 states I read today) thanks to Delta and I predict soon, Delta Plus. On top of that, we now have Lambda as a variant of interest from Peru - so that's 11 named (by Greek letter, so we can keep them in order more easily) variants - anyway, Lambda, while new, is rumored to be as much trouble as Delta but also even better at working around the vaccine. Time will tell.

And let's not forget all those who haven't gotten around to getting vaccinated yet but will, and those who are waiting for full FDA approval (emergency approval isn't good enough), and less we forget the outright anti-vaxxers. On top of all that, we have the under-12s who can't be vaccinated.

Nope. It's happened time and again. In country after country. And nobody's learning the lesson.

Yeah, I will wear my mask indoors through at least the end of the year - probably through next spring.

It's not over until the fat virus croaks. :(
You stole my post, basically. Was going to add we also now know reinfection is possible -- just not how likely it is, both for vaxxed or unvaxxed folk. Shaping up to be another shitty year!

Trump and the Cubs winning in 2016 really did break the world.
User avatar
Pretentious Hipster
Donator
Posts: 21447
Joined: October 24th, 2011, 6:00 am
Contact:

#2623

Post by Pretentious Hipster »

Vaccine stats are a lot better here in Canada, but not nearly high enough in my view, but 4 provinces are already fully reopening. Not even 50% of them have both doses at that point, and it seems like everyone forgot that it takes 2 weeks for the vaccine to kick in. Not to mention that last summer there were also like no cases.

We are going to pay for it hard again.

I don't think ontario is ever going to reach 80% vaccinated either. The number has been stuck on 77-78% for one dose for so long.

I did see one guy on a gaming forum blaming Russia for the anti-vaxx movement, which definitely seems a bit much lol.
User avatar
Knaldskalle
Moderator
Posts: 10527
Joined: May 9th, 2011, 6:00 am
Location: New Mexico, USA
Contact:

#2624

Post by Knaldskalle »

Nothing to disagree with in the above posts (well, the Russia thing... maybe).
ImageImageImageImage

Please don't hurt yourself, talk to someone.
User avatar
xianjiro
Donator
Posts: 9750
Joined: June 17th, 2015, 6:00 am
Location: Kakistani Left Coast
Contact:

#2625

Post by xianjiro »

A neighbor had a very bad reaction to the first injection - some sort of allergy, but not sure what - so I get why he chose to skip the second. Can't say if that's a good or bad choice, but I understand his thinking.

I know some were simply scared off by reports of side effects with the second dose, but not sure how many of the 'only one dose' fit that criteria or if there are other reasons. I'm sure some just never got around to it. But in this case, it doesn't seem like a single dose of a two dose regimen will be problematic. Haven't seen anyone talking about that causing virus mutation or resistance. In other words, it's not like the problem with not finishing a round of antibiotics.

Does anyone have a sense of the possibility of the virus developing resistance to the current vaccines? I'm not really thinking about breakthrough infection. Can this virus mutate in a way to render the vaccines obsolete? In theory, since I know we haven't seen it in practice. I just don't understand the specific science of how these vaccines work.
User avatar
Pretentious Hipster
Donator
Posts: 21447
Joined: October 24th, 2011, 6:00 am
Contact:

#2626

Post by Pretentious Hipster »

Out of curiousity did anyone else's tolerance level for bullshit views related to covid went way down? I usually don't care what people's views are when they are facebook friends, but so far I deleted three of them.

One was saying that we are under a dictatorship, and that the TEST ITSELF was dangerous because it touches a part of the brain responsible for hormone regulation.
One said forcing us to wear masks is like being in an abusive relationship.
The last one was simple, just a photo of an anti-mask protest (where there were American flags for some reason?)
User avatar
maxwelldeux
Donator
Posts: 9145
Joined: June 7th, 2016, 6:00 am
Location: Seattle-ish, WA, USA
Contact:

#2627

Post by maxwelldeux »

Gee Zeus Pho King Cry ST.

My wife's niece got married, recently, and is having her reception this upcoming weekend. My wife's family? Right-wing-crazy-Alex-Jones-is-a-legitimate-news-source types. My in-laws? Anti-vaxxers, apparently - Wife thought they'd been vaccinated, but misheard and apparently they're staunchly against them, despite both being trained medical professionals (one nurse, one PA). So guess who I get to spend all Saturday around? :circle: :circle: :circle:

The Delta etc. variants definitely scare me. I'm not buying the lack of CDC updates on masking, especially for vaccinated people. I'm still wearing a mask in public indoors (fully vaccinated here). I shit you not, I spent two hours trying to convince myself it was fine to go out for lunch by myself Sunday, but I couldn't take the risk. Small risk? Absolutely. Totally weird and mostly irrational line in the sand? I'd have no problems going out with my wife. The small risk/reward ratio just doesn't win out when I'm by myself for me, but it does when I'm with someone. It is what it is.

And yeah, @PH, my "tolerance level for bullshit views related to covid went way down". I hope I survive this weekend without inciting murder.
User avatar
xianjiro
Donator
Posts: 9750
Joined: June 17th, 2015, 6:00 am
Location: Kakistani Left Coast
Contact:

#2628

Post by xianjiro »

I think my tolerance of BS views went way down long before Covid. Probably related to 8 Nov 16, but just not sure if it was before or after. :think: I'm thinking before ...
User avatar
brokenface
Donator
Posts: 13914
Joined: December 29th, 2011, 7:00 am
Contact:

#2629

Post by brokenface »

xianjiro wrote: July 12th, 2021, 9:54 pm
Does anyone have a sense of the possibility of the virus developing resistance to the current vaccines? I'm not really thinking about breakthrough infection. Can this virus mutate in a way to render the vaccines obsolete? In theory, since I know we haven't seen it in practice. I just don't understand the specific science of how these vaccines work.
The first gen vaccines may not become completely obsolete but will likely become less effective. It's long been predicted that this may become like flu where we'll need to do booster shots each year that are targeted against new strain.

Most of the vaccines in use target the spike protein of the virus. I think the resistance will mostly be small changes to the spike which can be countered by small changes to the vaccine.

You could in theory get bigger changes but there is a limiting factor that the spike protein is key for how the virus attaches to cells and so is vital to the success of how the virus replicates. Change too much and the virus will become ineffective itself at spreading.

It's possible it finds a way but I suspect it will be more of a cat and mouse thing where the vaccines can keep getting modified to catch up with variants.
User avatar
xianjiro
Donator
Posts: 9750
Joined: June 17th, 2015, 6:00 am
Location: Kakistani Left Coast
Contact:

#2630

Post by xianjiro »

brokenface wrote: July 13th, 2021, 7:06 am
xianjiro wrote: July 12th, 2021, 9:54 pm
Does anyone have a sense of the possibility of the virus developing resistance to the current vaccines? I'm not really thinking about breakthrough infection. Can this virus mutate in a way to render the vaccines obsolete? In theory, since I know we haven't seen it in practice. I just don't understand the specific science of how these vaccines work.
The first gen vaccines may not become completely obsolete but will likely become less effective. It's long been predicted that this may become like flu where we'll need to do booster shots each year that are targeted against new strain.

Most of the vaccines in use target the spike protein of the virus. I think the resistance will mostly be small changes to the spike which can be countered by small changes to the vaccine.

You could in theory get bigger changes but there is a limiting factor that the spike protein is key for how the virus attaches to cells and so is vital to the success of how the virus replicates. Change too much and the virus will become ineffective itself at spreading.

It's possible it finds a way but I suspect it will be more of a cat and mouse thing where the vaccines can keep getting modified to catch up with variants.
All makes perfect sense - thanks! :thumbsup:
User avatar
Knaldskalle
Moderator
Posts: 10527
Joined: May 9th, 2011, 6:00 am
Location: New Mexico, USA
Contact:

#2631

Post by Knaldskalle »

Given that the vaccine I had was basically just a dose of mRNA, I don't think it should be a problem to produce a "mix" of various types of mRNA coding for a number of varieties of the spike protein, say a dozen or so? Given that many animals (snakes, scorpions etc.) use a "cocktail" of various venoms I don't see why we can't use a similar approach to our vaccine.
ImageImageImageImage

Please don't hurt yourself, talk to someone.
User avatar
brokenface
Donator
Posts: 13914
Joined: December 29th, 2011, 7:00 am
Contact:

#2632

Post by brokenface »

Knaldskalle wrote: July 14th, 2021, 7:33 pm Given that the vaccine I had was basically just a dose of mRNA, I don't think it should be a problem to produce a "mix" of various types of mRNA coding for a number of varieties of the spike protein, say a dozen or so? Given that many animals (snakes, scorpions etc.) use a "cocktail" of various venoms I don't see why we can't use a similar approach to our vaccine.
not sure about a dozen but certainly possible in theory to have something like this. The annual flu jabs are a cocktail which target 3 or 4 strains each year. I think both Moderna and Biontech developing multivalent versions.

I think there probably is a natural limit in how many different strains you could introduce at once without either overwhelming the immune system and/or reducing efficacy against each individual variant.
User avatar
Armoreska
Posts: 13991
Joined: November 1st, 2012, 6:00 am
Location: Ukraine, former Free Territory
Contact:

#2633

Post by Armoreska »

There's open vaccinations here. If I disappear, you know what killed me xD
But I'm skipping this weekend because I need to go places since it's 35c in my room.
he or A. or Armo or any

Image
currently working towards a vegan/free world + thru such film lists: GODARD, r/antinatalism recommends,..
the rest
ANARCHISTS, ANIMAL RIGHTS, Assisted suicide, Existential films, SOCIALIST CINEMA (an amalgamation of lists), Feminist lists, various GSSRM lists (aka LGBTQ+), 2010s bests, Visual Effects nominees, kid-related stuff, great animes (mini-serie or feature), very 80s movies, mah huge sci-fi list, ENVIRO, remarkable Silent Films and Pre-Code (exploring 1925 atm) and every shorts and docu list I'm aware of and
/forum.icmforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1434
and "Gordon" Liu Chia-Hui/Liu Chia-Liang and Yuen Woo-ping and "Sammo" Hung Kam-bo
imaginary awards | youtube channels | complaint lounge | explain how big a fan of slavery you are here, ..viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1535 and here: ..viewtopic.php?f=12&t=4484
User avatar
Armoreska
Posts: 13991
Joined: November 1st, 2012, 6:00 am
Location: Ukraine, former Free Territory
Contact:

#2634

Post by Armoreska »

Damn it's still the same weather next week.
Does anyone know if the side effects can be bad enough that one should wait for cooler weather?
he or A. or Armo or any

Image
currently working towards a vegan/free world + thru such film lists: GODARD, r/antinatalism recommends,..
the rest
ANARCHISTS, ANIMAL RIGHTS, Assisted suicide, Existential films, SOCIALIST CINEMA (an amalgamation of lists), Feminist lists, various GSSRM lists (aka LGBTQ+), 2010s bests, Visual Effects nominees, kid-related stuff, great animes (mini-serie or feature), very 80s movies, mah huge sci-fi list, ENVIRO, remarkable Silent Films and Pre-Code (exploring 1925 atm) and every shorts and docu list I'm aware of and
/forum.icmforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1434
and "Gordon" Liu Chia-Hui/Liu Chia-Liang and Yuen Woo-ping and "Sammo" Hung Kam-bo
imaginary awards | youtube channels | complaint lounge | explain how big a fan of slavery you are here, ..viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1535 and here: ..viewtopic.php?f=12&t=4484
User avatar
peeptoad
Posts: 3025
Joined: February 4th, 2017, 7:00 am
Contact:

#2635

Post by peeptoad »

Armoreska wrote: July 21st, 2021, 11:42 am Damn it's still the same weather next week.
Does anyone know if the side effects can be bad enough that one should wait for cooler weather?
My experience I had a ~101 (38 C) fever for around 36 hours, but I just slept a lot and felt fine in around 48 hrs after the second dose. I had almost no side effects (maybe just mild fatigue) after the first dose. As long as you drink plenty of water and rest after the second, if you get side effects (some don't experience any), I would think you'd be okay even in hot weather... ?
User avatar
joachimt
Donator
Posts: 34213
Joined: February 16th, 2012, 7:00 am
Location: Netherlands
Contact:

#2636

Post by joachimt »

Same here. I hardly felt anything from the first dose. Had the second dose last Sunday. Had a fever and felt completely exhausted the whole next day. Slept a lot during the day and had a 10h straight sleep that night. Bit weak the next morning, but in the afternoon I had enough energy to get out again.
ICM-profile
Fergenaprido: "I find your OCD to be adorable, J"
User avatar
OldAle1
Donator
Posts: 6248
Joined: February 9th, 2017, 7:00 am
Location: Dairyland, USA
Contact:

#2637

Post by OldAle1 »

Moderna vaccine here. I had just a little pain after the first shot, which lasted maybe a day. Second - more pain, and really tired the whole next day, and a little residual effect on the second full day. No fever. Drinking lots of water seems to help - a couple of people promoted that before I had my shots and I think it was useful.
User avatar
xianjiro
Donator
Posts: 9750
Joined: June 17th, 2015, 6:00 am
Location: Kakistani Left Coast
Contact:

#2638

Post by xianjiro »

With Pfizer, I had some soreness after the first shot including lymph node pain, but I don't think temperature would have been a problem. On the contrary, warmer weather might loosen the muscles a bit more.

I was relatively fine the rest of the day after getting the second shot. The next morning I woke with a pronounced fever that lasted - I estimate - about 18 hours. So yeah, I think that might be unpleasant and yes, sleeping through as much of that as possible is helpful too. I can see why this might make someone hesitate, but it seems most fevers are gone one or two days after getting the shot.

When is cooler weather usually due? But even so, with less than 4% of Ukraine's population fully vaccinated, it's a choice between a couple days of feeling really lousy vs who knows how long or severe an actual case of Covid would be. Depending on what you're reading/seeing, I know some make it sound like the vaccine is risky - I won't deny there is always some risk with any medical treatment or intervention - but I thought the possible vaccine risks were much, much smaller (tiny) than that of getting a full-blown Covid infection.

Given the hostility between Ukraine and it's bigger neighbor to the north, I'm assuming your not going to get a Sputnik shot. Do you know which you are likely to get? I've no idea, for example, if the side effects are similar with the Sinovac jab.
User avatar
hurluberlu
Donator
Posts: 2685
Joined: January 4th, 2017, 7:00 am
Contact:

#2639

Post by hurluberlu »

OldAle1 wrote: July 21st, 2021, 3:15 pm Moderna vaccine here. I had just a little pain after the first shot, which lasted maybe a day. Second - more pain, and really tired the whole next day, and a little residual effect on the second full day. No fever. Drinking lots of water seems to help - a couple of people promoted that before I had my shots and I think it was useful.
I had massive muscular pain for 24h the 2nd day after second shot of Moderna, then followed by light throat and head aches just to finish with big nasal congestion… so side effects last 4-5 days in total… never had a “flu” before ! :D

Seems totally random, a colleague stayed three days in bed and a friend just had a little fatigue, we have same age (also Moderna).
Image
ImageImageImageImageImage
User avatar
Armoreska
Posts: 13991
Joined: November 1st, 2012, 6:00 am
Location: Ukraine, former Free Territory
Contact:

#2640

Post by Armoreska »

xianjiro wrote: July 21st, 2021, 8:52 pm When is cooler weather usually due? But even so, with less than 4% of Ukraine's population fully vaccinated, it's a choice between a couple days of feeling really lousy vs who knows how long or severe an actual case of Covid would be. Depending on what you're reading/seeing, I know some make it sound like the vaccine is risky - I won't deny there is always some risk with any medical treatment or intervention - but I thought the possible vaccine risks were much, much smaller (tiny) than that of getting a full-blown Covid infection.

Given the hostility between Ukraine and it's bigger neighbor to the north, I'm assuming your not going to get a Sputnik shot. Do you know which you are likely to get? I've no idea, for example, if the side effects are similar with the Sinovac jab.
Cooler weather in 2 months but also today, tomorrow and probably the day of the shot as well.

Who knows how little chance of getting covid i have with wearing the faceshield almost every time + staying at home.

It's Biontech/Pfizer so that's a safer one than sPutink.
he or A. or Armo or any

Image
currently working towards a vegan/free world + thru such film lists: GODARD, r/antinatalism recommends,..
the rest
ANARCHISTS, ANIMAL RIGHTS, Assisted suicide, Existential films, SOCIALIST CINEMA (an amalgamation of lists), Feminist lists, various GSSRM lists (aka LGBTQ+), 2010s bests, Visual Effects nominees, kid-related stuff, great animes (mini-serie or feature), very 80s movies, mah huge sci-fi list, ENVIRO, remarkable Silent Films and Pre-Code (exploring 1925 atm) and every shorts and docu list I'm aware of and
/forum.icmforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1434
and "Gordon" Liu Chia-Hui/Liu Chia-Liang and Yuen Woo-ping and "Sammo" Hung Kam-bo
imaginary awards | youtube channels | complaint lounge | explain how big a fan of slavery you are here, ..viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1535 and here: ..viewtopic.php?f=12&t=4484
Post Reply