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well ...

The posting script is indeed windows based and run from an Firefox on an laptop. Ideal for me would be to run it from an Unix Box so it could run from one of my Nases. Maybe scripts like theses do already exist ;)

Posting 1000 and even 2000 post do takes time...

2000 * 15 minutes is almost 21 Days
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#1002(⇧226, #1228) United 93 (2006)
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Country: USA, UK, France
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History: 100212281765132410328841016759823←939
ICheckMovies: 14003 Checks , 521 Favourites , 5 Official lists
Plot: A real-time account of the events on United Flight 93, one of the planes hijacked on September 11th, 2001 that crashed near Shanksville, Pennsylvania when passengers foiled the terrorist plot.
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Thank you so much for hosting, Tim! Great, effective countdown.

It is great to see a string of surprises even near the top - the biggest of course being the drop of 12 Angry Men - once our #1, and our number 2 as late as last year, crashing out of the top 10. I don't think anyone saw that coming. It is a thoroughly great film, and more cinematic than people have given it credit for in the past, but I'm still pleased with the decline.

The other big jump for Psycho, in the opposite direction, is more of a correction than a direct surprise - though I suppose it could have gone either way. I would have been upset if Psycho slowly started to slip downwards.

I'm not that happy with 7 of the top 10 being English-language films, but then, in terms of exposure, there is of course an advantage. I'm also likely partially to blame for the decline of Stalker, pushing it from being a top 10 films (previously my number 1) to outside my top 100, sorry about that. I am quite happy with 2001 on top 10 (though I will be pushing it down a few hundred places, following my last rewatch - won't impact anything though).
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#1003(⇧55, #1058) In the Name of the Father (1993)
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Directed by: Jim Sheridan
Country: Ireland, UK
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History: 10031058105286012009701124847747←NA
ICheckMovies: 13282 Checks , 1083 Favourites , 6 Official lists
Plot: A man's coerced confession to an I.R.A. bombing he did not commit results in the imprisonment of his father as well. An English lawyer fights to free them.
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Jeez, these are the runners-up — can we go back to one every 7 mins? Please?
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RIP Tim
I saved Latin, what did you ever do ?
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#1004(⇧227, #1231) Pas de deux (1968)
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History: 100412311157109112931042126811261276←NA
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yllow wrote: April 7th, 2021, 9:37 am Jeez, these are the runners-up — can we go back to one every 7 mins? Please?
I can poste 10 per mins if needeed ;)

Wanted everyone to be able to comment the end of the 1001 wihout being over floodeed by the runners up tehe
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cinewest wrote: April 6th, 2021, 12:21 pm
St. Gloede wrote: April 6th, 2021, 8:03 am
cinewest wrote: April 6th, 2021, 1:13 am While I also think most of his best films are his features from the 70’s, with Aguirre being the centerpiece, I actually prefer one of the more obscure films on my list that considers the same subject matter: Cabeza de Vaca, which looks at the “tragic conquest” of the americas from a different perspective.
On a side note, remembering all the revival movie theaters where I spent so many glorious hours discovering great movies, how about a double bill of Aguirre Wrath of God, and Winding-Refn’s Valhalla Rising?
Happy to see that Cabeza de Vaca is already on my watchlist, will push it higher up, looks like a great recommendation.

(Still not seen Valhalla Rising, but the Aguirre comparison makes me more interested).
Tim has assured me that I still have a few more rolling out, but I’m quite sure that 6 of my top 35, including Cabeza de Vaca will not.

The other 5 are:

Before The Rain, which caught the core tragedy of the Balkan War in a “tribal” dispute among neighboring villages, whilst utilizing an elliptical narrative with more meaningful effect than Pulp Fiction, which came out the same year. Arresting images, music, and outstanding performances that just broke my heart.

Al Primo Soffio di Vento (At the First Breath of Wind)- Poetic realism at its finest. Replaced Olmi’s Tree of the Wooden Clogs on my short list.

Saura’s Carmen- mixes outstanding dance performance with the story and music of the opera Carmen that is the process becomes the movie.

Sex & Lucia- another film that weaves together life and story and comments on the creative process in the course of turning life into art.

Time of the Gypsies- Emir Kusturica’s Felliniesque epic Gypsy tale that was cut from 270 minutes to 142 for its international release, and I have written to Criterion numerous times urging them to get ahold of it ona regular basis to no avail.
That's an eclectic bunch. I'll make sure to at least bump up Before The Rain and At the First Breath of Wind on my watchlist. I've been curious about them ever since I've heard of them. A friend of mine also likes Sex & Lucia alot. I had never heard about it until she mentioned it. I could see Carmen making this list. Afaik it has at least a few vocal supporters. But somehow Saura doesn't intruige me very much, neither does cinema from Spain in general if I'm honest. I did like Cria Cuervos quite a bit, so it's not that I dislike Saura or anything, it's just that out of the thousands of films to watch its far from the first thing that comes to mind. Maybe Carmen would convert me, who knows. As is I probably preffer Portuguese cinema. I think the only Spanish film I voted for was Viridiana.
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Thanks for hosting Tim! I've updated the iCM list: https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/icm+ ... htysparks/
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Tim2460 wrote: April 7th, 2021, 9:53 am
yllow wrote: April 7th, 2021, 9:37 am Jeez, these are the runners-up — can we go back to one every 7 mins? Please?
I can poste 10 per mins if needeed ;)

Wanted everyone to be able to comment the end of the 1001 wihout being over floodeed by the runners up tehe
That would be great, thank you
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#1005(⇧180, #1185) Tampopo (1985)
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History: 10051185118382711611462161511351135←NA
ICheckMovies: 2629 Checks , 374 Favourites , 9 Official lists
Plot: A truck driver stops at a small family-run noodle shop and decides to help its fledgling business. The story is intertwined with various vignettes about the relationship of love and food.
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Thanks for hosting Tim!

Seen: 735/1001 (73.43%)
Highest unchecked: Hiroshima mon amour (#82)
Number of favorites: 98/735 (13.33%)
Highest favorite: Stalker (#9)
Number of dislikes: 236/735 (32.11%)
Highest dislike: 2001: A Space Odyssey (#1)
Unofficial films: 1/1001 (0.10%)

That last stat pretty much sums up what I think of this list. Also 1/3th of it is a strong dislike for me, which is pretty damning too.
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Seen: 964/1001 (96%)
Highest unchecked: Welt am Draht (#333)
Number of favorites: 261/964 (27%)
Highest favorite: 2001: A Space Odyssey (#1)
Number of dislikes: 44/964 (5%)
Highest dislike: Shichinin no samurai (#4)

I wonder how many more years I'll put off Welt am Draht... I want to see it but I just never get around to it.
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AB537 wrote: April 6th, 2021, 7:54 pm
connordenney wrote: April 6th, 2021, 1:26 pm
Torgo wrote: April 6th, 2021, 1:19 pm But where does one start with HHH?
For HHH, I would have thought A City of Sadness or The Puppetmaster would be both well-known enough and highly regarded enough to make it on here. Even The Assassin seems like it could have made the list given the hype around its (recent) release. I wonder where these three films placed?
Given how esteemed HHH is in many circles, including by some folks here and on TSPDT, I'd be very curious about the answer to this question. But I can tell you unequivocally where NOT to start: The Time to Live and the Time to Die. This was a dreadful theatrical experience a few years ago, on a fairly early date with my (now) wife, which I suggested - we both strongly disliked the film and found it intensely boring. I consider myself lucky this did not directly lead to the end of the relationship ... and that's not a joke or hyperbole. Fortunately she did like both Bande a part and Le Trou later the same summer, but I've been on a fairly short leash for non-English language film suggestions since then despite some notable successes like Parasite, The Vanishing and Cold War.

Despite this fiasco, I've watched two HHH films since then - Dust in the Wind and The Assassin - which were significantly better, but still didn't do much for me.
I watched it with the fam and while I don't think any of us were amazed, I think none of us disliked it either. Considering my mother isn't on great terms with films from Eastern Asia that's a definitive success. But maybe I missremember and to be completely fair I don't entirely get the acclaim either and I've definitely seen Eastern Asian films that my family reacted better to (for example my brother surprisingly said Red Beard might be his favourite Kurosawa at one point).

It sounds like kind of a strong reaction. I mean it's a bit of a slog but it isn't that bad.
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#1006(NEW) Dead Ringers (1988)
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Country: Canada
(395,44 Pts, 15 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–0–0
History: 10061121961119010961043117812621062←606
ICheckMovies: 6860 Checks , 509 Favourites , 12 Official lists
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tobias wrote: April 7th, 2021, 9:55 am
cinewest wrote: April 6th, 2021, 12:21 pm
St. Gloede wrote: April 6th, 2021, 8:03 am

Happy to see that Cabeza de Vaca is already on my watchlist, will push it higher up, looks like a great recommendation.

(Still not seen Valhalla Rising, but the Aguirre comparison makes me more interested).
Tim has assured me that I still have a few more rolling out, but I’m quite sure that 6 of my top 35, including Cabeza de Vaca will not.

The other 5 are:

Before The Rain, which caught the core tragedy of the Balkan War in a “tribal” dispute among neighboring villages, whilst utilizing an elliptical narrative with more meaningful effect than Pulp Fiction, which came out the same year. Arresting images, music, and outstanding performances that just broke my heart.

Al Primo Soffio di Vento (At the First Breath of Wind)- Poetic realism at its finest. Replaced Olmi’s Tree of the Wooden Clogs on my short list.

Saura’s Carmen- mixes outstanding dance performance with the story and music of the opera Carmen that is the process becomes the movie.

Sex & Lucia- another film that weaves together life and story and comments on the creative process in the course of turning life into art.

Time of the Gypsies- Emir Kusturica’s Felliniesque epic Gypsy tale that was cut from 270 minutes to 142 for its international release, and I have written to Criterion numerous times urging them to get ahold of it ona regular basis to no avail.
That's an eclectic bunch. I'll make sure to at least bump up Before The Rain and At the First Breath of Wind on my watchlist. I've been curious about them ever since I've heard of them. A friend of mine also likes Sex & Lucia alot. I had never heard about it until she mentioned it. I could see Carmen making this list. Afaik it has at least a few vocal supporters. But somehow Saura doesn't intruige me very much, neither does cinema from Spain in general if I'm honest. I did like Cria Cuervos quite a bit, so it's not that I dislike Saura or anything, it's just that out of the thousands of films to watch its far from the first thing that comes to mind. Maybe Carmen would convert me, who knows. As is I probably preffer Portuguese cinema. I think the only Spanish film I voted for was Viridiana.
Interesting that 3 of the 6 are Spanish language (I hadn’t noticed that). I haven’t noticed any particular bias against Spanish language films, though I think Saura does deserve more attention than he receives, especially in the 500<400 poll.

I do think there is a bias against contemporary Latin American cinema, which is much stronger than advertised, and my sense is that it is one of cultural disconnect more than anything (I am guessing the vast majority of participants in these polls are white males of Northern European origin between 25 and 40).

That might also explain some of the neglect Fellini gets on the board, though younger, fluffier filmmakers clearly inspired by him, like Wes Anderson, are favorites, here. This might also explain some of the bias for films with a male orientation (like crime dramas).
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Shout out to Tim for a very nice job.

Any plans to cull the stats for favorite directors beyond those who are very obvious, or create a version of the poll based on 10 year performance?

I always enjoy a breakdown by language and decade as well.
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#1007(⇧362, #1369) Meek's Cutoff (2010)
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History: 1007136910248261134948108661991789←NA
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Onderhond wrote: April 6th, 2021, 9:57 pm
kongs_speech wrote: April 6th, 2021, 9:53 pm I find them all competent, more or less. They don't bore me, but they're cinematic empty calories.
Like many Hollywood productions they are competent on a technical level, but most of the MCU film did really bore me. Extremely so. I don't mind a little cinema fast food once in a while, but these films are so devoid of any fun and/or joy, while lacking any kind of discernible signature that they turn into generic noise to me.
One of the few times I 100 % agree with Onderhood. Avengers was such a monumental snoozefest it's hard for me to fathom how this is popular cinema. I mean people say that there's too much table talk in Rohmer films but Avengers is like what? 90 % table talk about shitty references to stuff I don't care about? Compared to that The Aviator's Wife is an edge of the seat action-thriller and I'm completely serious about that. Avengers is really among the worst films I've ever seen. I'm genuinly anticipating being much more entertained by a random Benning film than another MCU film. The other one I've seen is Iron-Man which had a decent opening but rapidly went downhill afterwards.

Maybe the others are better (though I have huge doubts) but the MCU genuinly gives superhero films a bad name. I mean for all my criticisms of TDK for example I can aknowledge that it also does a lot right. Even Nolan's action direction is better than people give it credit for. And then there's also stuff like Del Torro's Hellboy or Raimi's Spiderman which at its best are genuinly masterclasses in scenic structure and how to narrate a film well (Spiderman 2 narrowly outranked Citizen Kane on my list). Then there's also for example Watchmen, which is a bit too edgy for me but still enjoyable, multiple of the X-Men entries are well made (I'm even partial to The Last Stand but otherwise give me X2 as the crowdpleaser). Even Raimi's Darkman which is all weird and feels kinda cheap and pulpy is a pretty decent film. Point in case I don't dislike superhero films but the MCU films are often shockingly poorly put together, poorly graded with boring sound-design, few action scenes that are poorly made and have no gravity and I can not see any entertainment value in it whatsoever. I don't even think it's necesarilly e.g. Whedon's fault in Avengers case. Serenity is a perfectly fine film. The films feel lab-made to generate the most profit. The director feels like just an accesoir.

I'm really just being blatently honest here. If I didn't know better I would think HHH films would rather be blockbusters than the MCU. Even City of Sadness has some good fistfights, Avengers is just people talking around a table. And I'm not saying this out of love for HHH. So far I don't have strong feelings about him. You could insert almost any "arthouse-film" in it's place. Most of them are better action films. And even my brother seems to agree with me on this. Some Avengers sequel was on TV recently and because I kinda want to know what people watch these days I suggested watching it (as a cultural experiment). He declined saying that he did not anticipate liking it. We didn't watch it. Probably for the better. It's also like 3h long or some shit.
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#1008(⇧131, #1139) Point Blank (1967)
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History: 100811391262102711401487130915231018←824
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tobias wrote: April 7th, 2021, 10:40 am references
This is a key point in nerd (but also cinephile) culture though. Just look at people swooning over Tarantino. People get all giddy when they can recognize one thing referencing another. A cinematic universe like Marvel's is liquid gold in that sense. The more you've seen of it, the more you'll recognize and the more the references will make sense.

It's what ruined the live action GitS film for me. Yes, I know the manga, Oshii's films and the TV series. I've seen those before, don't need to see them referenced ad infinitum in a new film, thank you very much.
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pitchorneirda wrote: April 6th, 2021, 12:59 pm
cinewest wrote: April 6th, 2021, 12:42 pm Did Hou Hsiao-Hsien land anything in the top 1000?
Nope :shrug:
Wow, that's unexpected, with 6 films in the current TSPDT edition and 10 of his films being included in our 500<400 over the time...
Did he do so badly in previous iterations of our Top 1000?

I need to watch the rest of his 21st century movies until next time (they fall a bit in the category of movies I'm highly excited about but don't want to watch them all at once)
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#1009(⇧125, #1134) Serpico (1973)
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History: 10091134955950879822957863740←592
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Seen: 572/1001 (57.14%)
Highest unchecked: C'era una volta il West (#24)
Number of favorites: 73/572 (12.76%)
Highest favorite: Shichinin no samurai (#4)
Number of dislikes: 56/735 (7.62%)
Highest dislike: 2001: Pulp Fiction (#6)

I dislike more films than that but I'm less consistent in tagging them as "dislikes" on iCM
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cinewest wrote: April 7th, 2021, 10:18 am
tobias wrote: April 7th, 2021, 9:55 am
cinewest wrote: April 6th, 2021, 12:21 pm

Tim has assured me that I still have a few more rolling out, but I’m quite sure that 6 of my top 35, including Cabeza de Vaca will not.

The other 5 are:

Before The Rain, which caught the core tragedy of the Balkan War in a “tribal” dispute among neighboring villages, whilst utilizing an elliptical narrative with more meaningful effect than Pulp Fiction, which came out the same year. Arresting images, music, and outstanding performances that just broke my heart.

Al Primo Soffio di Vento (At the First Breath of Wind)- Poetic realism at its finest. Replaced Olmi’s Tree of the Wooden Clogs on my short list.

Saura’s Carmen- mixes outstanding dance performance with the story and music of the opera Carmen that is the process becomes the movie.

Sex & Lucia- another film that weaves together life and story and comments on the creative process in the course of turning life into art.

Time of the Gypsies- Emir Kusturica’s Felliniesque epic Gypsy tale that was cut from 270 minutes to 142 for its international release, and I have written to Criterion numerous times urging them to get ahold of it ona regular basis to no avail.
That's an eclectic bunch. I'll make sure to at least bump up Before The Rain and At the First Breath of Wind on my watchlist. I've been curious about them ever since I've heard of them. A friend of mine also likes Sex & Lucia alot. I had never heard about it until she mentioned it. I could see Carmen making this list. Afaik it has at least a few vocal supporters. But somehow Saura doesn't intruige me very much, neither does cinema from Spain in general if I'm honest. I did like Cria Cuervos quite a bit, so it's not that I dislike Saura or anything, it's just that out of the thousands of films to watch its far from the first thing that comes to mind. Maybe Carmen would convert me, who knows. As is I probably preffer Portuguese cinema. I think the only Spanish film I voted for was Viridiana.
Interesting that 3 of the 6 are Spanish language (I hadn’t noticed that). I haven’t noticed any particular bias against Spanish language films, though I think Saura does deserve more attention than he receives, especially in the 500<400 poll.

I do think there is a bias against contemporary Latin American cinema, which is much stronger than advertised, and my sense is that it is one of cultural disconnect more than anything (I am guessing the vast majority of participants in these polls are white males of Northern European origin between 25 and 40).

That might also explain some of the neglect Fellini gets on the board, though younger, fluffier filmmakers clearly inspired by him, like Wes Anderson, is a favorite, here. It might also explain some of the bias for films with a male orientation (like crime dramas), here.
With me it's also mostly a lack of interest, not a bias against spanish cinema in general.

I have actually gotten more into Latin American Cinema recently and I've definitely voted for more Latin American than Spanish films. It's still not much but much more than just Viridiana for Spain. I've voted for: The Exterminating Angel (Mexico), Limite (Brazil), Nazarin (Mexico), Simon of the Desert (Mexico), Los Olvidados (Mexico), The Holy Mountain (Mexico), Santa Sangre (Mexico), Memories of Underdevelopment (Cuba) and Iracema (Brazil). I know there's a lot of Bunuel on there but to be fair Spain would not have made it all without Bunuel. I would also add that La Flor (Argentina) was really close. I half regret not voting for it. I've also seen a Latin American film just yesterday with Raul Ruiz' Palomita Blanca which I liked quite a lot. I could also see one of Ruiz' Chilean films sneaking on my list once I see more of them. I'm quite sure II've seen much more Latin American cinema than Spanish cinema. I don't know if that is so unusual. Mexico alone is probably a bigger cinema country than Spain. Brazil and Argentina also have significant industries. During Franco's reign you also had many Spaniards work in Latin America and France instead (because Fascism sucks, also for art). Bunuel and Almendros both got their careers started for real in Latin America (Mexico and Cuba). They're the two Spanish filmmakers I admire the most. In general there's not many Spanish films I'm excited about watching. The only one that comes too mind is El Sur. For Latin America it feels like there is an entire host of them and so many more I've not even heard about.

When it comes to Fellini it's definitely not a bias of mine against Italian cinema. I love myself some Italian cinema, it's just that among the list of Italian directors I like Fellini doesn't rank very highly, Passolini, Rosselini, Antonioni, Bava and Visconti all rank among my favourite directors. But don't worry, I still gave Fellini better marks than any of the Andersons. And these days I kinda feel like watching his Roma film. At least I can agree with him that it's an amazing city so what could go wrong?

Note: Kudos to Tim for conducting the poll :cheers:

Edit: Mainstreet and those on TSPDT I'm a bit excited about also some of Almodovar's Back-catalouge maybe.
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#1010(⇧353, #1363) Neco z Alenky (1988)
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Thanks again for the hosting Tim. Great countdown! :cheers:

Went from 904/1001 seen to 911/1001.
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Onderhond wrote: April 7th, 2021, 10:50 am
tobias wrote: April 7th, 2021, 10:40 am references
This is a key point in nerd (but also cinephile) culture though. Just look at people swooning over Tarantino. People get all giddy when they can recognize one thing referencing another. A cinematic universe like Marvel's is liquid gold in that sense. The more you've seen of it, the more you'll recognize and the more the references will make sense.

It's what ruined the live action GitS film for me. Yes, I know the manga, Oshii's films and the TV series. I've seen those before, don't need to see them referenced ad infinitum in a new film, thank you very much.
To be a bit fair to Tarrantino here, he has kind of made an art of referencing obscure B-movies from the 70s or 80s that I've never even heard about. I don't think it's about getting the references. Tarrantino mostly does not reference entirely for the sake of reference. For example the way Die Weiße Hölle vom Pitz Palü (the Pabst film) becomes a plot point in Inglorious Basterds is genuinly good storytelling and ties the film in with historical reality. The Greed reference in Django Unchained is genuinly some dope shit. He got me there but mostly I don't feel like it's meant to work like "Oh, I got the reference, now I love it". I think Django is mostly kinda meh actually, Corbucci's film is significantly better (and it's not even Corbucci's best). I also feel like Tarrantino's target audience hasn't seen enough films to get even 2 % of the references. I think in part he does it for himself or to actually enhance the narrative. With MCU films however I also wonder how many people get the references which is why it's all the more shocking to me that people like them.
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prodigalgodson wrote: April 7th, 2021, 4:19 am Also...Floating Clouds really didn't make the list? :pinch:
That's curious. I thought people liked Naruse around here. Even I almost voted for it. But in my defense. Reordering the last 30 or to entries on my list was a nightmare because I had over 100 contenders competing with them. It might well jump back in.
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#1011(⇧236, #1247) Hanyo (1960)
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Seen: 830/1001
Highest unchecked: The Human Condition I (#80), The Human Condition II (#100) - and no, not The Human Condition III but The Cremator (#153)
Highest favorite: 2001: ASO

The films I haven't seen seem mostly a mix of acclaimed films I didn't get around too yet, a couple more obscure films and then also some popular films I just don't have much interest in. Not as much East-European and East Asian cinema as I would have expected though. Spoorloos from NL is actually one of the highest I haven't seen... I suspect Dutch Mafia behind this. Not that I mind though, I'm actually interested in watching it sometime.

Also I should probably work on making my top 3 unwatched the 3 Human Condition films. I just have to watch 5 East-European films to make that happen (that in turn is more in line with my expecations of ICM).
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mightysparks wrote: April 7th, 2021, 9:59 am Thanks for hosting Tim! I've updated the iCM list: https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/icm+ ... htysparks/
There seem to be a lot of discrepancies between this list and the postings in the thread. Some of it might be the whole duplicate thing, but you also have Pulp Fiction below Rear Window for example, and it's the opposite in the thread. Which order is correct?
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Tim2460 wrote: April 7th, 2021, 11:19 am #1010(⇧353, #1363) Neco z Alenky (1988)
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I almost voted for this one, which would have pushed it into the top 1000. In fact, I should have subbed it for The Third Man, which I was keeping for Welle’s presence after eliminating Touch of Evil, but then I added Lady From Shanghai, so it wasn’t necessary.
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#1012(NEW) Winchester '73 (1950)
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Teproc wrote: April 7th, 2021, 11:42 am
mightysparks wrote: April 7th, 2021, 9:59 am Thanks for hosting Tim! I've updated the iCM list: https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/icm+ ... htysparks/
There seem to be a lot of discrepancies between this list and the postings in the thread. Some of it might be the whole duplicate thing, but you also have Pulp Fiction below Rear Window for example, and it's the opposite in the thread. Which order is correct?
I copied the URLs exactly how Tim sent them so it might've been from duplicate fixing.
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#1013(⇩411, #602) The Remains of the Day (1993)
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Creating stats this morning i spotted another error on one Particular Unranked List so i had to correct it as well before sending the pack To Mighty
You can go to the Future poll thread for explanation and stats. I'll also post the final Excel spreadsheet there.

On the top 1001, change are mostly cosmetic with one film going up or down one spot and 4 films made the top 1000 on the thread and not on the corrected Version.

Here are some (corrected ,) Stats.
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The director Hall of fame
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Ingmar Bergman 14
Akira Kurosawa 13
Alfred Hitchcock 12
Martin Scorsese 11
Ethan Coen; Joel Coen 10
Hayao Miyazaki 10
Luis Buñuel 10
Stanley Kubrick 10
Steven Spielberg 10
David Lynch 9
Yasujirô Ozu 9
Billy Wilder 8
Éric Rohmer 8
Quentin Tarantino 8
Woody Allen 8
Charles Chaplin 7
Fritz Lang 7
Jean-Luc Godard 7
Krzysztof Kieslowski 7
Paul Thomas Anderson 7
Roman Polanski 7
Wes Anderson 7
Andrei Tarkovsky 6
Christopher Nolan 6
Masaki Kobayashi 6
Michael Haneke 6
Michael Powell; Emeric Pressburger 6
Michelangelo Antonioni 6
Rainer Werner Fassbinder 6
Richard Linklater 6
Robert Altman 6
Robert Bresson 6
Satyajit Ray 6
Werner Herzog 6
Abbas Kiarostami 5
Carl Theodor Dreyer 5
David Fincher 5
David Lean 5
Ernst Lubitsch 5
F.W. Murnau 5
Howard Hawks 5
James Cameron 5
John Ford 5
Lars von Trier 5
Terrence Malick 5
Alain Resnais 4
Alfonso Cuarón 4
Brian De Palma 4
Clint Eastwood 4
Darren Aronofsky 4
David Cronenberg 4
Denis Villeneuve 4
Federico Fellini 4
Francis Ford Coppola 4
Frank Capra 4
Jean-Pierre Melville 4
Jim Jarmusch 4
John Cassavetes 4
Josef von Sternberg 4
Kenji Mizoguchi 4
Orson Welles 4
Peter Jackson 4
Rob Reiner 4
Sergei M. Eisenstein 4
Sergio Leone 4
Sidney Lumet 4
William Wyler 4
Agnès Varda 3
Alejandro G. Iñárritu 3
Apichatpong Weerasethakul 3
Douglas Sirk 3
Edgar Wright 3
Edward Yang 3
Elia Kazan 3
François Truffaut 3
Gaspar Noé 3
Isao Takahata 3
Jean Renoir 3
John Carpenter 3
John Huston 3
Kar-Wai Wong 3
Leos Carax 3
Louis Malle 3
Luchino Visconti 3
Mike Leigh 3
Mikhail Kalatozov 3
Mikio Naruse 3
Milos Forman 3
Nicholas Ray 3
Nuri Bilge Ceylan 3
Paul Verhoeven 3
Pedro Almodóvar 3
Peter Weir 3
Pier Paolo Pasolini 3
Ridley Scott 3
Robert Zemeckis 3
Roberto Rossellini 3
Sam Peckinpah 3
Satoshi Kon 3
Spike Jonze 3
Terry Gilliam 3
Tim Burton 3
Todd Haynes 3
Wim Wenders 3
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tobias wrote: April 7th, 2021, 11:22 am To be a bit fair to Tarrantino here
Oh, I agree his intentions are different, but not necessarily why people like his work so much (or are inclined to give it a higher rating).
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