Pretentious Hipster wrote: ↑March 9th, 2021, 6:34 pm
I quit the forum for a few weeks, decided to lurk today, and had to log back in to say what a bad fucking take that is.
Yes, people get sick when taking it. Do you know why? Because a vaccine is a weaker version of the virus. It HAS to do that so that you develop antibodies. It's how your body can fight against it in the future.
You are literally saying you would rather get permanent lung damage (my partner works in a respiratory clinic and most patients are people who had covid months ago) rather than having a mild fever for a few days.
I'm just blown away. Seeing takes like this, or the one about how the covid test messes with an organ that regulates hormones (it's behind the skull) to the point that I'm having enough when seeing misinformation like this.
Is this actually true for the mRNA vaccines (Biontech/Pfizer, Moderna, Curevac, etc.) though? As far as I understand they don't contain any virus but a string of messenger-RNA that tells your body to produce spike-proteins which it will then learn how to fight. The mRNA itself will just be digested afaik.
So for a decent portion of us the vaccine will not contain any virus, just information on how to fight it. In general this entire vaccine story is fascinating. An entirely new technology in development for like 20+ years is put on the market during a global pandemic which compared to most traditional vaccine manufacturing is a big leap forward and suddenly it's just widely accepted and people really hate on "that old stuff". But to be fair some of that is due to the unmitigated PR disaster that is Astrazeneca which is a story all to itself. It makes me wish Oxford had just stuck to their original plan to just release it for everyone instead of licensing it to Astrazeneca who seem to have no clue how to conduct this vaccine buisness (I mean as a company, the Oxford vaccine itself would be considered a miracle if we didn't have the mRNA ones and people are way too bitchy about it). In general it fascinates me how quickly people accept novel technology in this case. Even my mother is really unhappy about getting the AZ vaccine instead of Biontech. In Germany they did the funny thing to first not allow it for 65+ people, then allow it for everyone, then for noone and now not for people under 60 (so a complete 180° for a host of different reasons). It's like a little surreal comedy that writes itself. So unless I tell my doctor that I accept the presumably neglible risks of a thrombosis I'm bound to get the mRNA vaccine (but when?). But honestly if there is any way I can get an earlier shot than late fall I'm up for it. This isn't to say that their reasoning for pulling it is complete bullshit. The likelihood of someone in my age with good overall health and no preconditions dying of Covid is infinitely small. If the likelihood of the vaccine causing a deadly thrombosis are also infinitely small but oh shit 9 completely healthy people died out of nowhere, then this is suddenly a legitimate debate as the risk doesn't have to be gigantic to outweigh a Covid-infection or at least put it in perspective. but honestly sitting inside for a month longer in summer probably statistically has more negative impacts on my health than 2 dozens of these vaccines so this is a kinda hyppocritical debate at some level too. And I'd also like to just get it over with ASAP so I take anything that the government is willing to give me. But I'm not holding my breath in terms of stuff happening anytime soon. At least Schleswig-Holstein is one of the better governed states that has somewhat realized we just need to get that shit out into peoples arms instead of bunkering it in vaults for 2nd doses.
I really want a film about this entire vaccine story, there's so many interesting stories in all of this, maybe some avant-garde documentary mixed with surreal comedy or an absurd thriller. Vaccine-Mayhem 2 Electric Boogaloo, that shit writes itself!
Or maybe this is the time for some kind of Borat figure in Europe (should be from the Arab world of course). Society is so weird these days, do you even need scripts anymore? I'll write some of this down in my notebook under bullshit film-ideas. I have a dream of someday making a film out of all my worst film ideas.
Edit: Also the German conservative party is a real comedy club these days. The Bavarian Ministerpresident (the head of the Bavarian government and Merkel heir apparent) said that those who dare should take the AZ vaccine. Then the Minister of health encouraged people in the Cabinet to take it but our Minister of Interior (the security guy and the former Bavarian Ministerpresident) who always played the strongman apparently didn't dare and opted out of this (which is especially funny because his successor introduced this fucked up narrative). It would be more funny if this shit-show wasn't our government but at least they provide some laughs in hard times. Btw if you're under 50 and don't like conservative politics how about immigrating to Germany? We really need you. I'll bake you a welcome cake and would supply you with my small collection of German classic films (the situation is dire).
Incomrehensible rant over, move along.