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Yeah Mrs America was really good. I too enjoyed that reference at the end, even if not particular fan of the film in question

Wasn't too surprised to learn that the person behind it also worked on Mad Men as it had pretty similar vibe (+John Slattery). Great soundtrack too
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Mad Men and Mrs. America definitely share an interest in looking at conservative characters from a subtly progressive framework. It's all about where the shot lingers after someone says something.

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Nathan for You really needs to come back.
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I don't know if any of y'all are interested in Food Competition shows or food TV, but The Final Table is fantastic - probably the highest level of cooking I've seen. They brought in 24 brilliant chefs from around the world, paired them up, and each week they "visited" a country and made a traditional dish from that country. Bottom 3 Teams cooked for a top-notch chef (think 3 Michelin stars) from that country, where the competitors have to feature a local ingredient chosen by that chef. You get a little culture and a lot of food. Great show. On Netflix.
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maxwelldeux wrote: September 16th, 2020, 1:37 am I don't know if any of y'all are interested in Food Competition shows or food TV, but The Final Table is fantastic - probably the highest level of cooking I've seen. They brought in 24 brilliant chefs from around the world, paired them up, and each week they "visited" a country and made a traditional dish from that country. Bottom 3 Teams cooked for a top-notch chef (think 3 Michelin stars) from that country, where the competitors have to feature a local ingredient chosen by that chef. You get a little culture and a lot of food. Great show. On Netflix.
I watched that with my mother a few times, but it kept reaching that same pattern that it became tiresome. The more avant-garde chefs would always be in the elimination round because what they made are not traditional, but then the Michelin star chefs prefer the more avant-garde things.
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Recently I found myself going through The Wire again [the HD remaster this time], for the first time in a long while. This time I found myself paying far more attention to the political scenes and the bureaucratic scheming, and the way the show constantly draws parallels between street crime and white collar corruption. The entire show is full of those types of parallels. Watch how this intro is edited, for example:
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-A wire, a tool used to connect two different things; followed by shots of drugs, money, and someone carrying a suitcase by the Capitol building
-Followed in turn by shots of large-scale construction and grinning developers
-Lots of other clever studies in contrast: a doctor listening to a pregnant woman's belly followed by a court order authorizing a wiretap, a coat being sexily unzipped against a body bag being zipped, the visual of wires emulated by streams of blood, etc.

It's clearer this time around that the show is specifically and deliberately an anti-capitalist show about the increasing loss of value of human life. It's depressing to think that even the show's most cynical conclusions of what the future held still didn't come close to where we are now in 2020.

I also recently finished a feature ensemble script and have a much greater appreciation how hard it is to vividly introduce a large cast of characters, make each one memorable and individual, and hardest of all make them all equally interesting. The fact that this show had a small writing staff and most seasons were nearly entirely written by two people...it gives me a headache just thinking about it.

Still the angriest show on television, still some of the most heartbreaking moments ever, still a 99.5% perfect show. That 0.5% was deducted for how Kima's character was written in Season 3. A tiny arc out of an otherwise outstanding season, but still, that was bullshit. David Simon is still the 21st century, American reincarnation of Charles Dickens.

I assume there are other fans of the show here?

[If you're a viewer going through the series for the first time, find a copy with subtitles--especially if you're not from the U.S.]

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I watched the first 3 seasons or so but could never get into it at all. Incredibly boring :(
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outdoorcats wrote: September 17th, 2020, 2:24 am I assume there are other fans of the show here?
Uh yeah - if I were ranking TV shows, that would certainly be #1.

I'm probably due for a rewatch of it and would like to pay attention to different aspects a lot more. I was mostly looking at race/class/police relations in it, as those are my interests. But I think it's such a rich show that it's (almost) infinitely rewatchable.

PS: If you haven't seen it, check out The Corner.
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I've been looking for a way to watch The Corner for years (for whatever reason, it's not in HBO's streaming library). At some point, I'll just order the DVDs online.

Also have yet to see the final two seasons of Homicide: LotS, which despite being widely acclaimed as one of the best TV shows of the '90s is somehow not available on any of the 10,000 streaming services offered nowadays.

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outdoorcats wrote: September 17th, 2020, 2:24 am I also recently finished a feature ensemble script and have a much greater appreciation how hard it is to vividly introduce a large cast of characters, make each one memorable and individual, and hardest of all make them all equally interesting.
Do you like the movies of John Sayles? I think he's superb at building ensemble stories that do all the things you listed above.
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I've liked all of the movies I've seen of Sayles, and Lone Star is one of my all-time favorites (which, like The Wire, is very novelistic).

For me, an "8" is excellent, likely in the top 10 of that year.

Return of the Seacaucus 7 - 7.5
Matewan - 8
Passion Fish - 6.5
The Secret of Roan Inish - 6.5
Lone Star - 10
Men With Guns - 8.5

As writer - The Howling - 7

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outdoorcats wrote: September 18th, 2020, 5:33 am I've liked all of the movies I've seen of Sayles, and Lone Star is one of my all-time favorites (which, like The Wire, is very novelistic).

For me, an "8" is excellent, likely in the top 10 of that year.

Return of the Seacaucus 7 - 7.5
Matewan - 8
Passion Fish - 6.5
The Secret of Roan Inish - 6.5
Lone Star - 10
Men With Guns - 8.5

As writer - The Howling - 7
Nice! I'd strongly recommend City of Hope.
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Recommendation taken!

In this week's news, Watchmen mostly swept the Miniseries Emmys (and won the most Emmys of any show overall), Succession took most of the Best Drama awards, and Schitt's Creek tied records by completely sweeping all the main categories related to Comedy Series.

Also, Marvel appears to be remaking David Lynch's Rabbits with some of its B-tier superheroes:



So that's a thing. :shrug:

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outdoorcats wrote: September 21st, 2020, 7:22 am Also, Marvel appears to be remaking David Lynch's Rabbits with some of its B-tier superheroes:
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Well, that hook made me watch the trailer...but unfortunately it didn't seem like Lynch's Rabbits at all. :(
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Woe is the day when I say Marvel is remaking David Lynch's Rabbits and I'm 100% serious.

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I tried watching Raised By Wolves.. but god is it awful. I knew it was going to be bad almost instantly because of the embarrassing dialogue between the two androids in the opening scene but I thought I'd give it some time. Yeah, it didn't get better and I had to turn it off after about 10 minutes.
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The Nathan for You Best Buy episode is even more insane than the Dumb Starbucks one

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I think the craziest Nathan for You moment for me is still the one where his business idea for a hotel was to put a kid in a soundproof box in the hotel room so that the kid's parents could have sex without him being aware of it. The "test run" with a bunch of porn stars having a mini-orgy on a hotel bed with that kid apparently in the soundproofed box in the same room...my God, I was dying.
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GruesomeTwosome wrote: October 5th, 2020, 3:16 pm I think the craziest Nathan for You moment for me is still the one where his business idea for a hotel was to put a kid in a soundproof box in the hotel room so that their parents could have sex without their kid being aware of it. The "test run" with a bunch of porn stars having a mini-orgy on a hotel bed with that kid apparently in the soundproofed box in the same room...my God, I was dying.
Just got to that part and HOLY SHIT LOL
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The bowling date with the girl who turns out to be a conspiracy nutbag might be my favorite "little" moment in the show. one of the few times he almost breaks, right up there with the grandson piss drinker interaction.
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The show finale was honestly the best. Surprisingly emotional and profound.
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Armoreska wrote: October 9th, 2020, 6:29 pm Christian meet Wonder Showzen
:lol: :lol: Never seen that before...glorious.

Makes me miss that show, too. Maybe the last worthwhile thing to come out of MTV.
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Good god.

Why?

Why?????

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outdoorcats wrote: October 15th, 2020, 1:33 pm Good god.

Why?

Why?????

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From being an incredible show to being absolutely terrible...one of the worst declines I've seen in a TV programme.
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The final season in particular was one of the biggest cliff dives I've ever seen. Scene to scene, it actually felt like the writers were intentionally trying to make it bad.

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I tried to watch Nathan Fielder and could only get through an episode and a half. It's funny in its absurdity, but also these people seem to real for me not to feel bad for them. It's not quite mean spirited but in the end it doesn't really matter, it's an elaborate prank show and I can't really stand to watch this.
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AdamH wrote: October 15th, 2020, 4:48 pm
outdoorcats wrote: October 15th, 2020, 1:33 pm Good god.

Why?

Why?????

WHO EVEN WANTS THIS
From being an incredible show to being absolutely terrible...one of the worst declines I've seen in a TV programme.
would be great if they made it decent tho
stopped after 4 seasons or so
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PeacefulAnarchy wrote: October 31st, 2020, 8:18 am I tried to watch Nathan Fielder and could only get through an episode and a half. It's funny in its absurdity, but also these people seem to real for me not to feel bad for them. It's not quite mean spirited but in the end it doesn't really matter, it's an elaborate prank show and I can't really stand to watch this.
quality of the episodes vary alot imo
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nimimerkillinen wrote: October 31st, 2020, 5:53 pm
PeacefulAnarchy wrote: October 31st, 2020, 8:18 am I tried to watch Nathan Fielder and could only get through an episode and a half. It's funny in its absurdity, but also these people seem to real for me not to feel bad for them. It's not quite mean spirited but in the end it doesn't really matter, it's an elaborate prank show and I can't really stand to watch this.
quality of the episodes vary alot imo
Does the premise appreciably change, though? I can tell the quality is variable but that wasn't what made me stop. Shit flavoured ice cream is a bad gimmick but no one is tricked, tiny pizza crossed the line but I can give it a pas, bad interviews were not that funny but not a big deal. The second episode starts crossing the legality line with mall trespassing and then whatever is going on with the pig rescue which is where I quit. As much as I dislike small business owners I can't quite separate their humanity enough to not be uncomfortable, and there are increasingly bystanders being pulled into things. I'll probably check out the 500<400 episode/movie thing at some point to see if that's better.
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PeacefulAnarchy wrote: October 31st, 2020, 6:03 pm
nimimerkillinen wrote: October 31st, 2020, 5:53 pm
PeacefulAnarchy wrote: October 31st, 2020, 8:18 am I tried to watch Nathan Fielder and could only get through an episode and a half. It's funny in its absurdity, but also these people seem to real for me not to feel bad for them. It's not quite mean spirited but in the end it doesn't really matter, it's an elaborate prank show and I can't really stand to watch this.
quality of the episodes vary alot imo
Does the premise appreciably change, though? I can tell the quality is variable but that wasn't what made me stop. Shit flavoured ice cream is a bad gimmick but no one is tricked, tiny pizza crossed the line but I can give it a pas, bad interviews were not that funny but not a big deal. The second episode starts crossing the legality line with mall trespassing and then whatever is going on with the pig rescue which is where I quit. As much as I dislike small business owners I can't quite separate their humanity enough to not be uncomfortable, and there are increasingly bystanders being pulled into things. I'll probably check out the 500<400 episode/movie thing at some point to see if that's better.
Kind of, there are episodes where it steers into unexpected direction like Dumb Starbucks and The Movement. Id recommend to watch those at least. some of the more meh or bad episodes also almost made me quit too. Episode/movie is pretty different, more of a journey kind of thing. The show intentionally pushes you to be uncomfortable but also oftenshows humanity and characters in a way that hasnt been seen on tv before imo
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Watched the first ep of The Mandalorian tonight. It was alright, decent start to the series but hasn't gotten me too excited yet. Nice to see cute baby Yoda again. I giggle with excitement every time I see that thing.

Also listening to the Ricky Gervais Show again (not tv but whatever)... shouldn't be getting into such distractions when I have so many assignments to finish but man do I love it. How can anything be this great. No matter how many times I listen to it I just love it so much.
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After 1ep seen, 'Trickster' could be a new fav :turned:
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How To With John Wilson on HBO Max has been good, if very odd. John Wilson carries a camera around with him everywhere, filming all sorts of things in NYC, while narrating his thoughts on topics like making small talk or scaffolding. Off-beat, very funny at times, and surprisingly introspective.

Also Nathan Fielder is an executive producer which makes sense given the documentary feel with a weird balance between fact and fiction.
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beasterne wrote: November 26th, 2020, 6:44 am How To With John Wilson on HBO Max has been good, if very odd. John Wilson carries a camera around with him everywhere, filming all sorts of things in NYC, while narrating his thoughts on topics like making small talk or scaffolding. Off-beat, very funny at times, and surprisingly introspective.

Also Nathan Fielder is an executive producer which makes sense given the documentary feel with a weird balance between fact and fiction.
Cool, I’ve been thinking about checking this show out. The Nathan Fielder connection is always a plus, and I’ve heard from some fans of one of my favorite current series, Joe Pera Talks with You (more people need to watch that, btw), that they recommend this show.
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GruesomeTwosome wrote: November 26th, 2020, 7:08 am
beasterne wrote: November 26th, 2020, 6:44 am How To With John Wilson on HBO Max has been good, if very odd. John Wilson carries a camera around with him everywhere, filming all sorts of things in NYC, while narrating his thoughts on topics like making small talk or scaffolding. Off-beat, very funny at times, and surprisingly introspective.

Also Nathan Fielder is an executive producer which makes sense given the documentary feel with a weird balance between fact and fiction.
Cool, I’ve been thinking about checking this show out. The Nathan Fielder connection is always a plus, and I’ve heard from some fans of one of my favorite current series, Joe Pera Talks with You (more people need to watch that, btw), that they recommend this show.
Hmm, I’ve never heard of your recommendation, I’ll have to check it out.

If you want to get an idea of what How To is like, you can watch one of the short films he made in this style over the last several years. Here’s a link to one called How To Keep Smoking: https://vimeo.com/86527457

The storytelling approach is very similar to the HBO show, just refined and tightened up since the short film was made in 2014.
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I started watching The Boys season 2 a while ago but realised I'd forgotten way too much. So I convinced my boyfriend to give season 1 a go while I rewatched it. So did that and finished season 2 last week. Great show. I loved it a lot more this time around and my bf loved it too, he thinks it's one of the best things he's seen.

One thing I loved about the first season was the way they gave The Deep quite a bit of complexity even after showing he was a rapist in the first episode and I really enjoyed watching him hit rock bottom. Didn't find his story in season 2 quite lived up to that, but Homelander grew on me significantly and now he's by far my favourite of the lot. The female characters are unfortunately very weak, despite the show referencing the way female characters are treated in superhero movies etc. Elisabeth Shue's character is a highlight, but all the female supes are awful, flat and unmemorable. All the actors are good (except the actor who plays Becca because she sucks in everything and I hate her), but yea lame characters. I also don't really care for any of 'The Boys' and don't find them that interesting either, although Hughie is likable (and jesus is he a 50/50 split of his parents). Gonna read the comics next, though I heard the show doesn't really follow them closely. Still need to read the Preacher comics too...

And now.. I'm rewatching The X-Files. I watched it occasionally as a kid, but I mostly just remember loving the 1998 film. I tried to watch the show 5-10 years ago but stopped somewhere in season 2 so I'm just starting over again. It suffers from some 90s TV things, but it's still surprisingly fresh. I can't remember if it gets worse, but Scully is actually a really great female character and I love that she's not sexualised, doesn't use her 'feminine wiles' to do her job, and there's no 'why is a woman doing a man's job' type of crap. I never liked Mulder much and he looks way too much like my dad when he was younger so I'm still put off by him but idk maybe he'll grow on me later.
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I watched all of the X-Files a couple of years ago (I hadn't watched much of it before then but my sister used to watch it regularly). It's excellent for a few years but goes downhill later on. I've started rating TV episodes now when I watch programmes (wish I'd done it for The X-Files as it's too hard for me to remember my favourite/least favourite episodes otherwise as there are so many).
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