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World Cup, Season 4, Match 2G: Russia vs Portugal (Aug 6th)

#1

Post by joachimt » July 23rd, 2020, 6:21 pm

This is match 2G of the fourth season of iCM Forum's Film World Cup.

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RussiaPisma myortvogo chelovekaDead Man's Letters1986Gorrolinklink
PortugalManoel dans l'île des merveillesManuel on the Island of Wonders1984Pgonzalezlinklink

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- To vote, post which of the two movies is your favorite. (note: you're ranking the individual films, not the countries)

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The country that ends at 1st place proceeds to the next round. The ranking of the match will be decided using these rules:
- Movie with most votes wins.
- In case of a tie the match will have a 3 day extension.
- In case there's still a tie then, the next voter decides by sudden death.
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We start with 32 films from 32 countries. Each country has a manager who determines which movie will be watched. In the first round the countries are divided into 8 groups of 4. From each group the countries that end up at #1 and #2 proceed to the next round. In the 2nd round the 16 remaining countries will be divided into 8 matches of 2. The managers pick a new movie. The winner of each match proceeds to the next round. This continues till the final.
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#2

Post by joachimt » July 23rd, 2020, 6:23 pm

1. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles 8/10
2. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka 7/10
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#3

Post by Mario Gaborović » July 23rd, 2020, 6:41 pm

1. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka
2. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles

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Post by 72aicm » July 23rd, 2020, 7:01 pm

1. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles
2. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka

Seen both before the tourney started.

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#5

Post by klaus78 » July 23rd, 2020, 7:10 pm

1. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles (Portugal) 8/10
2. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka (Russia) 7/10
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#6

Post by zhangalan » July 24th, 2020, 12:21 am

1. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles
2. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka

Russians can't beat a team led by Cristiano Rolando... Oh wait, it is Alexis Sanchez instead of Rolando.

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#7

Post by Cocoa » July 24th, 2020, 4:46 am

1. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka 6/10
2. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles 5/10

Weak match for me. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka is barely memorable for me even though I watched it earlier this year while the other entry is mostly meh.

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#8

Post by Traveller » July 24th, 2020, 4:50 am

1. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka
2. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles
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#9

Post by beavis » July 24th, 2020, 7:47 am

1. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka - 8
2. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles - 7.5

This could be a close one!

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#10

Post by joachimt » July 24th, 2020, 1:53 pm

beavis wrote:
July 24th, 2020, 7:47 am
This could be a close one!
So far it is:
Image Pisma myortvogo cheloveka: 4
Image Manoel dans l'île des merveilles: 4
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#11

Post by Armoreska » July 24th, 2020, 4:17 pm

Pisma 7
Manoel 5

no chance of me voting for Portugal so far.
my all time score for Portugal
0-11
movie scores
4.5 4.5 5 5 5

Here are the long Portugues movies I like:
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Reconversão
Aniki Bóbó
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O Estranho Caso de Angélica
O Sangue

18 in all with shorts
39 more are rated from 2 to 5
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#12

Post by bjornam » July 28th, 2020, 8:07 pm

1. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles
2. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka

Not the easiest match for Lopushansky’s atmospheric debut. Ruiz is too good.

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#13

Post by burneyfan » July 28th, 2020, 11:47 pm

1. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles (Portugal)
2. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka (Russia)

Both great films.

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Post by Gorro » July 30th, 2020, 7:42 am

1. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka
2. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles

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Post by hurluberlu » August 1st, 2020, 6:24 pm

1. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka 8 (rewatch)
2. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles 7+
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Post by joachimt » August 1st, 2020, 7:14 pm

Image Pisma myortvogo cheloveka: 7
Image Manoel dans l'île des merveilles: 6
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Post by zzzorf » August 2nd, 2020, 12:03 pm

1. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka - 6/10
2. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles - 4/10

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Post by Armoreska » August 2nd, 2020, 12:08 pm

Dang that's lower than all of my Portugal rankings. Now I don't feel so bad.
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Post by zuma » August 2nd, 2020, 7:55 pm

01 - Pisma myortvogo cheloveka

02 - Manoel dans l'île des merveilles

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Post by Smoover » August 2nd, 2020, 8:04 pm

1. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles 7/10
2. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka 6.5/10

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Post by joachimt » August 2nd, 2020, 8:06 pm

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#22

Post by Melvelet » August 2nd, 2020, 10:57 pm

My first WC participation since...a long time?

1. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles 8-/10
2. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka 7/10

Both very enjoyable. If only Manoel could have continued as strong as the first episode...

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Post by joachimt » August 3rd, 2020, 6:20 am

Melvelet wrote:
August 2nd, 2020, 10:57 pm
My first WC participation since...a long time?
I don't keep track of those stats, but at least this is your first time this season. Thanks for rejoining! :thumbsup:
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Post by sacmersault » August 4th, 2020, 8:34 am

I really disliked both of these films. It was hard choosing which I disliked less.

1 - Pisma myortvogo cheloveka
2 - Manoel dans l'île des merveilles

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Post by Angel Glez » August 4th, 2020, 9:05 am

1. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles
2. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka

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Post by pitchorneirda » August 4th, 2020, 5:03 pm

1. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles 6+
2. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka 4

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Post by Armoreska » August 4th, 2020, 5:05 pm

10-10 dead heat
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Post by jvv » August 4th, 2020, 7:16 pm

1. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka
2. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles

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Post by Muellwind » August 5th, 2020, 7:13 am

1. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka
2. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles

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Post by pitchorneirda » August 5th, 2020, 11:43 pm

Someone please come and save Raoul! Manoel dans l'île des merveilles is not his best, but I'd choose his mysterious (and sometimes esoteric) adventures any time over the Russian movie that's full of clichés.

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#31

Post by joachimt » August 6th, 2020, 8:14 am

Image Pisma myortvogo cheloveka: 12
Image Manoel dans l'île des merveilles: 10

Just over one day left. Still expect 3 or 4 more votes. Maybe more?
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Post by Armoreska » August 6th, 2020, 10:13 am

Pgonzalez hasn't voted so another vote seems guaranteed.
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Post by weirdboy » August 6th, 2020, 1:50 pm

Almost forgot to vote!

1. Manoel
2. Letters

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#34

Post by clemmetarey » August 6th, 2020, 4:06 pm

1. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka (1986) 7/10
2. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles (1984) 7/10

Very close and strong match.

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Post by PGonzalez » August 6th, 2020, 4:18 pm

1. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles
2. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka


Thanks for the introduction to Lopushanskiy, Gorro!

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#36

Post by cayado-coro » August 6th, 2020, 6:30 pm

1.Portugal - Manuel on the Island of Wonders
2.Russia - Dead Man's Letters

Imitators of Tarkovsky go to hell!

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#37

Post by Mario Gaborović » August 6th, 2020, 6:46 pm

Image Pisma myortvogo cheloveka: 13
Image Manoel dans l'île des merveilles: 13

Just 15 hours left. It's currently a tie.

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Post by Nathan Treadway » August 6th, 2020, 6:54 pm

1. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles
2. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka

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Post by Nathan Treadway » August 6th, 2020, 6:54 pm

Mario Gaborović wrote:
August 6th, 2020, 6:46 pm
Just 15 hours left. It's currently a tie.
Not any more. :P

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#40

Post by filmbantha » August 6th, 2020, 7:40 pm

...and back to a tie!

1. Pisma myortvogo cheloveka - 6/10
2. Manoel dans l'île des merveilles - 5/10

I really enjoyed the mystery aspect of the first episode of Manoel but my interest started to wane in the second episode. I can certainly see why others love it even though it didn't resonate with me.

Dead Man's Letter's is a striking post-apocalyptic film and a great pick for the WC, however, I much prefer Visitor to a museum by Lopushansky. Those who enjoyed Dead Man's Letters would do well to seek it out: https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/posetitel+muzeya/

I love how Cayado-Coro references Tarkovsky. Lopushansky was Tarkovsky's apprentice throughout the filming of Stalker and this is very noticeable in Visitor to a Museum.

Thanks to both managers for their picks, interested to see how this match pans out!

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