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Post by Fergenaprido » July 12th, 2020, 10:27 am

iCM Forum's Favourite Films on Zero Official Lists

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It's time to showcase your favourite underappreciated gems!

The rules
· Films, mini-series, episodes from tv anthology series are all allowed
· Films that become permanently official between now and the deadline are NOT eligible (i.e. through new list adoption, being added to Criterion or TSPDT Noir list, etc.)
· List can be on imdb or icm
· Fully ranked, partially ranked, or unranked lists only (will be considered ranked unless specified); group-ranked lists will not be allowed
· Half-life will again be 50, unless the submitted lists drop drastically in size
· Final list will again be 250, unless the number of participants drops drastically
· Films that switch between official and unofficial each week because of imdb list updates are eligible
· Films from 2019 & 2020 are not eligible, just like how we do it for the 500<400 list.
· Note: Since the entire Cremaster Cycle is an official check, the individuals 1,2,4,&5 cycles are not eligible (3 is separately official as well).

Deadline for submissions
Friday, July 31st, midnight PST - this gives you just under three weeks to put together a list.

Why participate?
· It's an official poll, and everyone loves official things here :P
· It's a chance to showcase films that you think should become official
· It's going to be so unpredictable, so the entertainment value should be high :D (even though we've run this poll twice before, many films have become official in the meantime, so it's still somewhat unpredictable, especially in the lower regions)

All of your checks sorted by # Official Toplists and then sorted alphabetically - you'll have to go to the first page of 0 official checks to see your list.

Top 250 (2018)
imdb: http://www.imdb.com/list/ls074216375/
icm: iCM Forum's Favourite Unofficial Checks - Top 250

Top 1000 (2018)
imdb: http://www.imdb.com/list/ls079086877/
icm: iCM Forum's Favourite Unofficial Checks - Top 1000

Results from the January 2018 Poll
Nominations Thread
Results Thread

Results from the July 2015 Poll
Nominations Thread
Results Thread

To help you build your list (by removing currently official checks), Tim2460 is your best friend; he updates these lists monthly, so little should change before the deadline:
Films on 3+ Official lists
Films on 2 Official lists
Films on 1 Official list p1
Films on 1 Official list p2

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Reminder: All lists are considered fully ranked unless otherwise stated.
Onderhond
jvv (unranked)
lakigigar
Gorro
outdoorcats
lilarcor
Teproc
TraverseTown
explorer95
Ebbywebby
GruesomeTwosome (unranked)
clemmetarey
Cinephage
zzzorf
mightysparks
shugs
72aicm (unranked)
blocho (unranked)
beavis
beasterne
pitchorneirda
Lammetje(Top 7 ranked)
Opio
RBG (unranked)
burneyfan
sortile9io
AB537(Top 40 ranked)
Caracortada
matthewscott8
cinewest
rnilsson19
Pretentious Hipster
Cocoa
Smoover
Gordon_Gekko
joachimt (Top 167 ranked)
Melvelet (Top 30 ranked)
Nathan Treadway (unranked)
Y U M E
ChrisReynolds (Top 67 ranked)
frbrown
filmbantha
peeptoad (Top 56 ranked)
Lonewolf2003 (Top 110 ranked)
Jimi Antiloop (Top 255 ranked)
Panunzio
OBgeoff
sol
3eyes (Top 25 ranked)
jeff_v
maxwelldeux
nimimerkillinen (unranked)
lineuphere
mathiasa
OldAle1 (Top 100)
gromit82
Gershwin
Fergenaprido
brokenface
Perception de Ambiguity
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Post by Onderhond » July 12th, 2020, 11:00 am

https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/best ... onderhond/ (ranked).

Quite easy for me, since I have a ranked Top 625 of ICM. For people who have something similar, export the list, sort by official toplists, remove the 0+s, remove any 2019/2020 entries and import the result into a new list.

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A pretty long list for me this time, it seems 64.3% (with another 12.8% being just on one list) of my personal favorites are unofficial. Bit hard to recommend one single film from it, but why not give Woman of Water [Mizu no Onna] a go. Mysterious, unique, beautiful, criminally underseen and very arthouse-friendly.

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Post by Fergenaprido » July 12th, 2020, 2:28 pm

Onderhond wrote:
July 12th, 2020, 11:00 am
Quite easy for me, since I have a ranked Top 625 of ICM. For people who have something similar, export the list, sort by official toplists, remove the 0+s, remove any 2019/2020 entries and import the result into a new list.
I think you mean remove everything but the 0's? or remove the 1+s?

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Post by Onderhond » July 12th, 2020, 4:16 pm

Fergenaprido wrote:
July 12th, 2020, 2:28 pm
I think you mean remove everything but the 0's? or remove the 1+s?
Yes, it seems the notation got me confused :D

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Post by Lakigigar » July 12th, 2020, 6:41 pm

https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/laki ... lakigigar/

My recommendations

1. Respire

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2. Assassination Nation

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3. Shiki-Jitsu

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4. Utøya 22. juli

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5. Thirteen

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6. Revenge

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7. Mean Creek

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8. Hjartasteinn

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I'll watch these before deadline!

Tag
Strange Circus
Guilty of Romance
The Forest of Love

Bad Times at the El Royale
A Cure for Wellness
Kamikaze Girls
The Villainess
Ginger Snaps
Flower
Blue My Mind
Starry Starry Night
Ilo Ilo
The Bad Batch
Suburra
The Limit of Sleeping Beauty
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I think you need to change the settings on this list so that it's public.

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Post by Lakigigar » July 12th, 2020, 6:51 pm

Fergenaprido wrote:
July 12th, 2020, 6:49 pm

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I think you need to change the settings on this list so that it's public.
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Post by outdoorcats » July 12th, 2020, 9:35 pm

Lakigigar wrote:
July 12th, 2020, 6:41 pm
https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/laki ... lakigigar/

My recommendations

+1 for Mean Creek and Respire.

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Post by outdoorcats » July 12th, 2020, 9:38 pm

After coming through 25 pages of everything from The Creeping Terror to Don't Eat the Pictures: Sesame Street at the Metropolitan Museum of Art, I have this ranked list: https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/0+of ... tdoorcats/

Mountains May Depart is on 0 offical lists?

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Post by OldAle1 » July 12th, 2020, 9:43 pm

outdoorcats wrote:
July 12th, 2020, 9:38 pm
After coming through 25 pages of everything from The Creeping Terror to Don't Eat the Pictures: Sesame Street at the Metropolitan Museum of Art, I have this ranked list: https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/0+of ... tdoorcats/

Mountains May Depart is on 0 offical lists?
Took a quick gander at your list and saw Clockers there - I should give that and Crooklyn second chances; I remember liking them, but not thinking they were anything special, but that was when they were new. But that reminds me that Jungle Fever also is on 0 official lists which I find pretty astonishing.

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Post by outdoorcats » July 12th, 2020, 9:52 pm

Clockers and Crooklyn happen to be two of my favorite films of the '90s. :cheers: I still haven't seen Jungle Fever though.

Another weird one is Dog Star Man. You think with its revered status in film history it would be on...something.
Edit - It's on 7 official lists. But it came up on my list of films with 0 official lists? Or this might have something to do with how there are separate pages for the full film and the different parts. Anyway I took it out, hopefully that's the only mistake.

Anyway, a fun list to make, since it gives us a chance to promote some films we think are highly underseen or underrated. (Something in the Air! Mean Creek! Mystery Road!)

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Post by Ebbywebby » July 13th, 2020, 2:33 am

https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/ebby ... ebbywebby/ (ranked)

I'll tinker it with it some more and probably add several titles.

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Post by GruesomeTwosome » July 13th, 2020, 5:31 am

I’m to remember every man I've seen fall into a plate of spaghetti???

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Post by cinephage » July 13th, 2020, 10:12 am

Here's my ranked list :

https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/unof ... cinephage/

Since the last time, 33 movies had become official (one even got to 3 different official lists). So I replaced them, there are so many great films to watch...

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Post by cinephage » July 13th, 2020, 10:14 am

Gorro wrote:
July 12th, 2020, 8:07 pm
https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/gorr ... ist/gorro/ (Ranked)
Liza, a rókatündér :cheers: :wub:

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Post by zzzorf » July 13th, 2020, 12:01 pm

Here is my Ranked list. Not fully complete yet but will hopefully have it fully up before deadline. At least if I don't I will have something in.

https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/my+f ... ts/zzzorf/

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Post by Perception de Ambiguity » July 13th, 2020, 12:53 pm

Not having an iCM account and hence having no adequate way to see which ones of my favourites are eligible would somebody be able and willing to offer support in my creating this list?
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Post by Fergenaprido » July 13th, 2020, 12:55 pm

outdoorcats wrote:
July 12th, 2020, 9:52 pm
Another weird one is Dog Star Man. You think with its revered status in film history it would be on...something.
Edit - It's on 7 official lists. But it came up on my list of films with 0 official lists? Or this might have something to do with how there are separate pages for the full film and the different parts. Anyway I took it out, hopefully that's the only mistake.
A year or two ago the Dog Star Man and Histoire(s) du cinéma parts were both combined into single entries, and the single entries are the ones that are used for the official lists. I though that was long enough ago/publicized enough that I didn't mention it in the OP like I did with Cremaster (which was only changed a month or two ago). I can add them to the OP if it helps, but yes, none of the individual parts of either film/series is eligible.

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Post by Fergenaprido » July 13th, 2020, 1:01 pm

Perception de Ambiguity wrote:
July 13th, 2020, 12:53 pm
Not having an iCM account and hence having no adequate way to see which ones of my favourites are eligible would somebody be able and willing to offer support in my creating this list?
How did you create your list for the 2015 version of this poll?

I think the easiest way would be to provide an imdb of the films you're considering, and then someone can import that to icm, filter out the official checks, and then send it back to you so you can update your imdb list.

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Post by Perception de Ambiguity » July 13th, 2020, 1:14 pm

Fergenaprido wrote:
July 13th, 2020, 1:01 pm
Perception de Ambiguity wrote:
July 13th, 2020, 12:53 pm
Not having an iCM account and hence having no adequate way to see which ones of my favourites are eligible would somebody be able and willing to offer support in my creating this list?
How did you create your list for the 2015 version of this poll?

I think the easiest way would be to provide an imdb of the films you're considering, and then someone can import that to icm, filter out the official checks, and then send it back to you so you can update your imdb list.
Yeah, in 2015 I sent my unfiltered favourites (IMDb) list to joachimt and he did something to that effect. Would be cool if somebody could help me with that again.
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Post by mightysparks » July 13th, 2020, 2:48 pm

Well, this was one of the hardest lists ever. I decided to do mine from scratch to make sure I didn't miss anything. Ranked, but super loosely after the first 100-200. I don't want to think about how long this list would be without TSZDT being official. I included shorts and mini-series this time, but some are arguably TV series so I'm just going with IMDb categories and I'll remove them if needed.

https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/migh ... htysparks/

Some stats:

Genres:
Comedy (195)
Drama (153)
Horror (150)
Thriller (117)
Sci-Fi (77)

Keywords:
Blood (103)
Murder (102)
Death (93)
Bare Chested Male (75)
Violence (72)

What is with bare chested male seriously?

Decades:
1800s: 1
1900s: 2
1910s: 0
1920s: 2
1930s: 4
1940s: 1
1950s: 8
1960s: 3
1970s: 5
1980s: 27
1990s: 54
2000s: 145
2010s: 148
2020s: 2

Most checks: The Butterfly Effect (2004) - 43,308 checks (haven't seen this in 15 years, and from a clip I saw a while ago I'm not sure it would still be on my list...)
Least checks: Bum-Feeling 101 (2006) - 1 check (DP fan-boi)
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Post by Lakigigar » July 13th, 2020, 2:59 pm

Some stats:

Countries:
USA - 26
Belgium - 5
France - 4
Germany - 4
Japan - 3
Iceland - 2
Denmark - 1
Norway - 1
South-Korea - 1
Estonia - 1
Spain - 1
Mexico - 1

Decades:
1990s: 2
2000s: 16
2010s: 32

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Post by OldAle1 » July 13th, 2020, 3:18 pm

mightysparks wrote:
July 13th, 2020, 2:48 pm
Well, this was one of the hardest lists ever. I decided to do mine from scratch to make sure I didn't miss anything.

Most checks: The Butterfly Effect (2004) - 43,308 checks (haven't seen this in 15 years, and from a clip I saw a while ago I'm not sure it would still be on my list...)
Least checks: Bum-Feeling 101 (2006) - 1 check (DP fan-boi)
I mostly am redoing mine from scratch also; I did a list 2 1/2 years ago but stupidly put it on IMDb - which I still like for lists generally but is useless for things dependent on # of checks or official lists - so I thought, I'll just transfer that over. But 2 1/2 years is a long time when it comes to changes in Official-dom it turns out. Loads and loads of films I would have missed because they've dropped out of official status in the intervening time, esp. from 500<400, DTC and TSZDT. So now I'm pretty close and am looking at everybody else's lists which are giving me some good things I might have missed. I guess that's one of the curses of being a high rater and liking too much :lol: hard to keep track of all the stuff I want to be on there.

I really hated The Butterfly Effect but I've had numerous discussions with people over the years whose tastes are closer to mine than yours who just love it, and I've developed at least a little desire to see it again. I mean, I love the basic idea and it's pretty hard for me not to enjoy anything to do with time travel, time paradoxes, alternate realities, etc... but... Ashton Kutcher. Sigh.

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Post by Lakigigar » July 13th, 2020, 3:27 pm

OldAle1 wrote:
July 13th, 2020, 3:18 pm
mightysparks wrote:
July 13th, 2020, 2:48 pm
Well, this was one of the hardest lists ever. I decided to do mine from scratch to make sure I didn't miss anything.

Most checks: The Butterfly Effect (2004) - 43,308 checks (haven't seen this in 15 years, and from a clip I saw a while ago I'm not sure it would still be on my list...)
Least checks: Bum-Feeling 101 (2006) - 1 check (DP fan-boi)
I really hated The Butterfly Effect but I've had numerous discussions with people over the years whose tastes are closer to mine than yours who just love it, and I've developed at least a little desire to see it again. I mean, I love the basic idea and it's pretty hard for me not to enjoy anything to do with time travel, time paradoxes, alternate realities, etc... but... Ashton Kutcher. Sigh.
I like The Butterfly Effect but saw it a long time ago. I don't think you would like it.

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Post by OldAle1 » July 13th, 2020, 3:30 pm

Lakigigar wrote:
July 13th, 2020, 3:27 pm
OldAle1 wrote:
July 13th, 2020, 3:18 pm
mightysparks wrote:
July 13th, 2020, 2:48 pm
Well, this was one of the hardest lists ever. I decided to do mine from scratch to make sure I didn't miss anything.

Most checks: The Butterfly Effect (2004) - 43,308 checks (haven't seen this in 15 years, and from a clip I saw a while ago I'm not sure it would still be on my list...)
Least checks: Bum-Feeling 101 (2006) - 1 check (DP fan-boi)
I really hated The Butterfly Effect but I've had numerous discussions with people over the years whose tastes are closer to mine than yours who just love it, and I've developed at least a little desire to see it again. I mean, I love the basic idea and it's pretty hard for me not to enjoy anything to do with time travel, time paradoxes, alternate realities, etc... but... Ashton Kutcher. Sigh.
I like The Butterfly Effect but saw it a long time ago. I don't think you would like it.
I don't think so either. If I do ever re-watch it, it will probably be alongside some other films with similar themes/plots; crap films are typically more interesting when you can do comparisons with other (hopefully better) films at the same time.

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Post by shugs » July 13th, 2020, 3:33 pm

Mine (ranked) https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/top+ ... ies/shugs/
Might update before the deadline.

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Post by Fergenaprido » July 13th, 2020, 3:51 pm

mightysparks wrote:
July 13th, 2020, 2:48 pm
Keywords:
Blood (103)
Murder (102)
Death (93)
Bare Chested Male (75)
Violence (72)

What is with bare chested male seriously?
Someone - or more likely some people - have methodically gone through imdb and tagged films with various "erotic"-related keywords.

Here are the most common keywords on the site:
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98,818 sex
87,635 hardcore

43,843 music-video
42,668 independent-film
35,848 character-name-in-title
28,550 tv-mini-series
28,143 female-nudity
26,547 murder
26,303 tv-special
26,015 oral-sex
25,212 anal-sex

25,073 f-rated
24,060 based-on-novel
23,268 love
20,070 death
19,818 nudity
19,461 masturbation
19,152 lesbian-sex
18,951 bare-chested-male

18,753 father-son-relationship
17,243 husband-wife-relationship
16,819 threesome
16,706 violence
16,543 interview
16,483 number-in-title
16,116 shaved-vagina
15,701 friendship
15,522 facial
14,921 teenager
14,689 based-on-play
14,416 male-nudity
13,996 one-word-title
13,765 fight
13,479 revenge
13,021 police
12,963 softcore
12,903 large-breasts

12,859 family-relationships
12,846 flashback
12,821 blood
12,804 sequel
12,677 cigarette-smoking
12,531 father-daughter-relationship
12,195 gay
12,148 sex-scene
11,612 dog
11,602 mother-son-relationship
11,562 vignette
11,399 party
11,397 male-rear-nudity
I've highlighted the ones that are primarily there for titillation.

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Post by mightysparks » July 13th, 2020, 3:59 pm

OldAle1 wrote:
July 13th, 2020, 3:30 pm
Lakigigar wrote:
July 13th, 2020, 3:27 pm
OldAle1 wrote:
July 13th, 2020, 3:18 pm


I really hated The Butterfly Effect but I've had numerous discussions with people over the years whose tastes are closer to mine than yours who just love it, and I've developed at least a little desire to see it again. I mean, I love the basic idea and it's pretty hard for me not to enjoy anything to do with time travel, time paradoxes, alternate realities, etc... but... Ashton Kutcher. Sigh.
I like The Butterfly Effect but saw it a long time ago. I don't think you would like it.
I don't think so either. If I do ever re-watch it, it will probably be alongside some other films with similar themes/plots; crap films are typically more interesting when you can do comparisons with other (hopefully better) films at the same time.
At the time I saw it (age 13/14) I hated Kutcher but found the film and the time travel stuff really fun. But then a few years ago I watched a short clip and it was just so bad. The acting was bad, the dialogue was awful and it was weirdly edited/paced. I couldn’t believe it was the same film that I remembered. I honestly think I’d probably hate it now but I’d need to rewatch it to change my rating. Based on what I saw I can’t imagine anyone liking it but idk maybe out of context it doesn’t work.
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Post by mightysparks » July 13th, 2020, 4:03 pm

Fergenaprido wrote:
July 13th, 2020, 3:51 pm
mightysparks wrote:
July 13th, 2020, 2:48 pm
Keywords:
Blood (103)
Murder (102)
Death (93)
Bare Chested Male (75)
Violence (72)

What is with bare chested male seriously?
Someone - or more likely some people - have methodically gone through imdb and tagged films with various "erotic"-related keywords.

Here are the most common keywords on the site:
SpoilerShow
98,818 sex
87,635 hardcore

43,843 music-video
42,668 independent-film
35,848 character-name-in-title
28,550 tv-mini-series
28,143 female-nudity
26,547 murder
26,303 tv-special
26,015 oral-sex
25,212 anal-sex

25,073 f-rated
24,060 based-on-novel
23,268 love
20,070 death
19,818 nudity
19,461 masturbation
19,152 lesbian-sex
18,951 bare-chested-male

18,753 father-son-relationship
17,243 husband-wife-relationship
16,819 threesome
16,706 violence
16,543 interview
16,483 number-in-title
16,116 shaved-vagina
15,701 friendship
15,522 facial
14,921 teenager
14,689 based-on-play
14,416 male-nudity
13,996 one-word-title
13,765 fight
13,479 revenge
13,021 police
12,963 softcore
12,903 large-breasts

12,859 family-relationships
12,846 flashback
12,821 blood
12,804 sequel
12,677 cigarette-smoking
12,531 father-daughter-relationship
12,195 gay
12,148 sex-scene
11,612 dog
11,602 mother-son-relationship
11,562 vignette
11,399 party
11,397 male-rear-nudity
I've highlighted the ones that are primarily there for titillation.
Yeah I kind of figured that but it’s pretty annoying for stat purposes :P and also since almost nothing in that list would be something I would actually want to find via keyword search, except maybe to filter them out.
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Post by OldAle1 » July 13th, 2020, 4:11 pm

mightysparks wrote:
July 13th, 2020, 3:59 pm


At the time I saw it (age 13/14) I hated Kutcher but found the film and the time travel stuff really fun. But then a few years ago I watched a short clip and it was just so bad. The acting was bad, the dialogue was awful and it was weirdly edited/paced. I couldn’t believe it was the same film that I remembered. I honestly think I’d probably hate it now but I’d need to rewatch it to change my rating. Based on what I saw I can’t imagine anyone liking it but idk maybe out of context it doesn’t work.
I didn't see it brand-new, think I saw it maybe 3-4 years after it came out. I vaguely remember liking Amy Smart in it, but maybe I just thought she was hot, or maybe she's just less bad than the other actors. Kutcher I remember being just HORRIBLE. It's funny, I have a bit of a soft spot for That 70s Show - because it's a closer mirror of my growing-up experience than probably any other sitcom (time/place-wise anyway) - and I used to think Kutcher was just playing a dumb character on that show, which was appropriate - turns out he's kind of like that in real life, and just can't act to save his life outside of his small comfort zone.



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Post by beavis » July 13th, 2020, 5:51 pm

https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/dese ... ll/beavis/
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I have so much to choose from and so many ways to approach this (major favorites, very hidden gems, quirky outliers, guilty pleasures) that I first filtered it in various way before even starting to make a selection. I also ignored 2017 an 2018 for instance, and shorts, and movies that are checked so little that they don't have a chance anyway, and... so on.

Looking at the top 100 I came to in this way, I am seeing loads of Eastern-European art-house (bartas, sokurov, balabanov, loznitsa and a whopping 4 from zulawski) and loads of Japanese cult (sono, miike, ishikawa, tsukamoto, fukui, ishii, wakamatsu, toyoda). Next to those there are a few other names with multiple entries like Ruiz, Seidl, Sautet, van Warmerdam and, with 5 the most entries in the list, Hal Hartley, who seems to be the forgotten/least valued of the 90's gen US indie directors.
- 17/100 have more than 400 checks, most checks has Naissance des pieuvres (2007) with 984 at the moment

- glad to see there is room for another Japanese list to be official
- why is Sautet not doing better on the 500<400 and Doubling lists?

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