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Re: AFI's 100 Years...100 Movies Rankdown (Round 4, #72-#62)

#241

Post by sol » May 19th, 2020, 3:20 pm

mightysparks wrote:
May 19th, 2020, 2:49 pm
My choice this round is MASH. I really don't get this film and it's not funny (or enjoyable) in the slightest. I remember feeling it was pretty dated and the humour was very silly and '12 year old boy'-ish. So not really deserving of top 100 status.
:worship: THANK YOU. :hug: I avoided cutting this one earlier because I liked it somewhat more upon revision, but very little of the childish pranking humour has aged well. The TV series did it a lot better and Catch-22 is much more interesting as a subversive war comedy from the same year. :shrug:
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Post by blocho » May 19th, 2020, 6:54 pm

sol wrote:
May 19th, 2020, 3:20 pm
mightysparks wrote:
May 19th, 2020, 2:49 pm
My choice this round is MASH. I really don't get this film and it's not funny (or enjoyable) in the slightest. I remember feeling it was pretty dated and the humour was very silly and '12 year old boy'-ish. So not really deserving of top 100 status.
:worship: THANK YOU. :hug: I avoided cutting this one earlier because I liked it somewhat more upon revision, but very little of the childish pranking humour has aged well. The TV series did it a lot better and Catch-22 is much more interesting as a subversive war comedy from the same year. :shrug:
I love MASH dearly for its subversive anarchic spirit. Admittedly, that spirit is occasionally misogynistic.

The Catch-22 comparison is an interesting one because it's a comparison that many people noted at the time. Catch-22 was highly anticipated, based on a popular novel, featured well-known actors, was directed by a post-Graduate Mike Nichols, and only made a small profit on its large (at the time budget). MASH was unanticipated, featured mostly little-known actors, had one-sixth the budget of Catch-22, and did more than three times the box office. Of course, none of that speaks to the quality of either movie or whether MASH deserves the cut. I just think it's interesting.

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#243

Post by blocho » May 19th, 2020, 6:58 pm

brokenface wrote:
May 18th, 2020, 7:52 pm
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid - I just remember it as having a kind of cosy nostalgia that grates a little, similar with The Sting.

Goodbye Butch and Sundance. I never understood the appeal of this movie. It's not so much bad as just uninteresting, plus there's always the Redford factor.

All that being said, when I was in Bolivia about ten years ago, a buddy and I reenacted a scene by jumping off a cliff into a river while yelling "Oh shiiiiiiiiiiit!"

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Post by cinewest » May 20th, 2020, 3:11 am

blocho wrote:
May 19th, 2020, 6:58 pm
brokenface wrote:
May 18th, 2020, 7:52 pm
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid - I just remember it as having a kind of cosy nostalgia that grates a little, similar with The Sting.

Goodbye Butch and Sundance. I never understood the appeal of this movie. It's not so much bad as just uninteresting, plus there's always the Redford factor.

All that being said, when I was in Bolivia about ten years ago, a buddy and I reenacted a scene by jumping off a cliff into a river while yelling "Oh shiiiiiiiiiiit!"
Like many of the movies on the list, I liked this one as a kid (i was 9 when it came out), but it doesn't really speak to adult sensibilities, or more developed sense of the medium. I think it also suffers, like most movies do, from being dated. Unless there is a nostalgic attachment, most films are creatures of their time, even most of the better ones, which not only reflect attitudes, themes (and a certain perspective on them), narrative style, and what is being referenced, but also the state of film technology and popularity of certain film techniques at a given time.

Butch Cassidy was a buddy movie with a mild rebellious streak (which reflected its time period) dressed up as a revisionist Western, with comic overtones that helped make it popular. It had a hit song, and what proved to be two very bankable stars, and looked the way movies were supposed to at the time (Just another example of how/ why so many Oscar winners seem like such strange choices years later).

I still genuinely like about 25% of the films on the list, but about 25% of those have already been eliminated, and a lot of junk food still remains.

To me, the game is still playing out more like a season of survivor, more than like a just appraisal of movies, and if I were playing, I suppose that would be the attitude I would take, given the what others are doing. Apart from axing the films I didn't like very much (Raiders of the lost ark, The Searchers, etc.), I would definitely go after 12 Angry Men, again, as well as Shawshank Redemption, not because I think they are terrible movies, but because they are so overrated and don't deserve to win. I would also consider timely pay back for those who have flaunted their own poor taste.
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#245

Post by mathiasa » May 20th, 2020, 6:22 am

I keep hitting at Marlon „Cheap“ Brando with „A streetcar named Desire“. I ranked this movie 3.0/10. It‘s a very confused movie. Hollywood should not try things that are out of its league.
AFI listShow
1. Citizen Kane
2. The Godfather
3. Casablanca
4. Raging Bull
5. Singin' in the Rain
6. Gone with the Wind
7. Lawrence of Arabia
8. Schindler's List
9. Vertigo
10. The Wizard of Oz
11. City Lights
12. The Searchers
13. Star Wars
14. Psycho
15. 2001: A Space Odyssey
16. Sunset Blvd.
17. The Graduate
18. The General
19. On the Waterfront
20. It's a Wonderful Life
21. Chinatown
22. Some Like It Hot
23. The Grapes of Wrath
24. E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial
25. To Kill a Mockingbird
26. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington
27. High Noon
28. All About Eve
29. Double Indemnity
30. Apocalypse Now
31. The Maltese Falcon
32. The Godfather: Part II
33. One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest
34. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
35. Annie Hall
36. The Bridge on the River Kwai
37. The Best Years of Our Lives
38. The Treasure of the Sierra Madre
39. Dr. Strangelove: or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
40. The Sound of Music
41. King Kong
42. Bonnie and Clyde
43. Midnight Cowboy
44. The Philadelphia Story
45. Shane
46. It Happened One Night
47. A Streetcar Named Desire
48. Rear Window
49. Intolerance: Love's Struggle throughout the Ages
50. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
51. West Side Story
52. Taxi Driver
53. The Deer Hunter
54. MASH
55. North by Northwest
56. Jaws
57. Rocky
58. The Gold Rush
59. Nashville
60. Duck Soup
61. Sullivan's Travels
62. American Graffiti
63. Cabaret
64. Network
65. The African Queen
66. Raiders of the Lost Ark
67. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
68. Unforgiven
69. Tootsie
70. A Clockwork Orange
71. Saving Private Ryan
72. The Shawshank Redemption
73. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
74. The Silence of the Lambs
75. In the Heat of the Night
76. Forrest Gump
77. All the President's Men
78. Modern Times
79. The Wild Bunch
80. The Apartment
81. Spartacus
82. Sunrise: A Song of Two Human
83. Titanic
84. Easy Rider
85. A Night at the Opera
86. Platoon
87. 12 Angry Men
88. Bringing up Baby
89. The Sixth Sense
90. Swing Time
91. Sophie's Choice
92. Goodfellas
93. The French Connection
94. Pulp Fiction
95. The Last Picture Show
96. Do the Right Thing
97. Blade Runner
98. Yankee Doodle Dandy
99. Toy Story
100. Ben-Hur

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2. sol
3. Onderhond
4. jeff_v
5. jeroeno
6. jvv
7. brokenface
8. beasterne
9. blocho
10. mightysparks
11. mathiasa
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#246

Post by beasterne » May 20th, 2020, 2:22 pm

Round 4 is in the books! With at least one change: I've thought about it more and I've decided to use my final veto on Star Wars! Gotta protect my favorites while I can.

So we'll take the rest of today for any other vetoes, and then Round 5 will start at around 8 am GMT on 5/21. Happy chopping!

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1. Citizen Kane
2. The Godfather
3. Casablanca
4. Raging Bull
5. Singin' in the Rain
6. Gone with the Wind
7. Lawrence of Arabia
8. Schindler's List
9. Vertigo
10. The Wizard of Oz
11. City Lights
12. The Searchers
13. Star Wars
14. Psycho
15. 2001: A Space Odyssey
16. Sunset Blvd.
17. The Graduate
18. The General
19. On the Waterfront
20. It's a Wonderful Life
21. Chinatown
22. Some Like It Hot
23. The Grapes of Wrath
24. E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial
25. To Kill a Mockingbird
26. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington
27. High Noon
28. All About Eve
29. Double Indemnity
30. Apocalypse Now
31. The Maltese Falcon
32. The Godfather: Part II
33. One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest
34. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
35. Annie Hall
36. The Bridge on the River Kwai
37. The Best Years of Our Lives
38. The Treasure of the Sierra Madre
39. Dr. Strangelove: or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
40. The Sound of Music
41. King Kong
42. Bonnie and Clyde
43. Midnight Cowboy
44. The Philadelphia Story
45. Shane
46. It Happened One Night
47. A Streetcar Named Desire
48. Rear Window
49. Intolerance: Love's Struggle throughout the Ages
50. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
51. West Side Story
52. Taxi Driver
53. The Deer Hunter
54. MASH
55. North by Northwest
56. Jaws
57. Rocky
58. The Gold Rush
59. Nashville
60. Duck Soup
61. Sullivan's Travels
62. American Graffiti
63. Cabaret
64. Network
65. The African Queen
66. Raiders of the Lost Ark
67. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
68. Unforgiven
69. Tootsie
70. A Clockwork Orange
71. Saving Private Ryan
72. The Shawshank Redemption
73. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
74. The Silence of the Lambs
75. In the Heat of the Night
76. Forrest Gump
77. All the President's Men
78. Modern Times
79. The Wild Bunch
80. The Apartment
81. Spartacus
82. Sunrise: A Song of Two Human
83. Titanic
84. Easy Rider
85. A Night at the Opera
86. Platoon
87. 12 Angry Men
88. Bringing up Baby
89. The Sixth Sense
90. Swing Time
91. Sophie's Choice
92. Goodfellas
93. The French Connection
94. Pulp Fiction
95. The Last Picture Show
96. Do the Right Thing
97. Blade Runner
98. Yankee Doodle Dandy
99. Toy Story
100. Ben-Hur

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1. toromash
2. sol
3. Onderhond
4. jeff_v
5. jeroeno
6. jvv
7. brokenface
8. beasterne
9. blocho
10. mightysparks
11. mathiasa

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Post by beasterne » May 21st, 2020, 4:24 pm

Round 5 has begun! As always, toromash, sol, and Onderhond are the first three up.

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#248

Post by toromash » May 21st, 2020, 4:45 pm

Its getting tough from now on. So i will have to go with Lawrence of Arabia. A great film with a time and place often neglected in cinema. This is how epic films should be, though much shorter. How on earth did he dare to let it run for over 4 hours? This is a common problem with David Lean, and it's why i haven't watched a film by him in over 4 years. This was the last one. If i could have chosen Dr. Zhivago, it would have gone first.

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#249

Post by cinewest » May 21st, 2020, 4:51 pm

I can think of at least 40 other movies still alive that I would bump before that one

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Post by toromash » May 21st, 2020, 5:10 pm

Probably, but you have to consider that there are films i haven't seen. There are also some of the films that have been vetoed, but i thought of giving them a break for now at least

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Post by cinewest » May 21st, 2020, 5:19 pm

toromash wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 5:10 pm
Probably, but you have to consider that there are films i haven't seen. There are also some of the films that have been vetoed, but i thought of giving them a break for now at least
I hope you've seen more than half of the films on the list
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#252

Post by jeroeno » May 21st, 2020, 5:32 pm

Lawrence of Arabia ... really? Because it's a long epic? ... really?

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Post by toromash » May 21st, 2020, 5:58 pm

nope 67, i don't watch american films that often anymore

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#254

Post by Onderhond » May 21st, 2020, 6:00 pm

Long films deserve more flack! I'm all for the cut.

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Post by toromash » May 21st, 2020, 6:02 pm

Its rated 8, so any film in that spectrum was considered. The runtime was one of the reasons, and i think that a film should be able to prove itself in about 2 hours not 4. There are exceptions of course, where the length contribute to the experience

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Post by blocho » May 21st, 2020, 6:11 pm

Hey, it's toro's choice.

Let's talk instead about all the reasons we love Lawrence of Arabia. There are so many, but for me it's O'Toole's performance as a curiously fey Lawrence that sticks in my memory. I remember seeing the scene below for the first time and feeling completely captivated. Who was this odd man?


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Post by sol » May 21st, 2020, 10:49 pm

Should I veto Lawrence of Arabia? :think: It's tempting, but I do want to save these vetoes up.

I agree with toromash though that it is becoming very hard to choose films to ditch. There is only one film left in the list that I have down as less than a 7/10, so unless somebody vetoes my next selection, this will become a case of looking at which 7/10s have reputations that most exceed their worth.

My pick:

The Philadelphia Story. I haven't seen it too recently, but I didn't find it very funny at time and the performances disappointed me across the board. All three stars have done much, much better things elsewhere. :shrug:
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Post by prodigalgodson » May 21st, 2020, 11:17 pm

toromash wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 6:02 pm
i think that a film should be able to prove itself in about 2 hours not 4.
I've been mostly lurking in this thread but why 2 hours? My grandma used to say the same thing with the same metric, but in my experience there are films of comparable impact that are 10 minutes and 10 hours (Hollis Frampton's Gloria! and West of the Tracks, say).

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Post by mightysparks » May 21st, 2020, 11:27 pm

I don’t care about specific run times, to me it’s more about how effectively a film uses its run time. I’ve seen 80 minute films (and 5 minute shorts) that feel like a lifetime and 3 hour films that I could keep watching forever. I haven’t seen much over 3 hours that really justifies its length, but there are plenty of film-like miniseries that do it just fine.
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Post by OldAle1 » May 22nd, 2020, 12:02 am

Disliking Lawrence, or epic films, or long films, is perfectly fine - I do find toromash's simultaneously saying that it's "how an epic film should be" but then complaining about it's length in the same breadth a bit weird though.

Given that I have 3 films longer than Lawrence in my top 10, and 4 more in my top 30, obviously I can't concur with any overall disdain for long films - or long works of art in general. I also count Grateful Dead, Wagner and Mahler concerts among my favorite memories, and should I ever finish it I'm fairly sure Proust's In Search of Lost Time will be my favorite novel, placing it ahead of other long novels I love like Little Dorrit, The Lord of the RIngs and Dhalgren. So I'm curious if those who generally have problems with long films also dislike or have little interest in long music forms, plays, novels, etc?

(I should also note that my least-favorite novel is very very long, and two of my probably 10 least-favorite films approach 3 hours. Long good things are extra-good, long bad things are extra bad).

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Post by prodigalgodson » May 22nd, 2020, 1:04 am

mightysparks wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 11:27 pm
I don’t care about specific run times, to me it’s more about how effectively a film uses its run time. I’ve seen 80 minute films (and 5 minute shorts) that feel like a lifetime and 3 hour films that I could keep watching forever. I haven’t seen much over 3 hours that really justifies its length, but there are plenty of film-like miniseries that do it just fine.
Right, there are movies that would definitely be better trimmed or expanded (I don't think Lawrence is among them), but it depends on the material.

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Post by Onderhond » May 22nd, 2020, 4:54 am

I'm still feeling like a kid in a candy store. After checking the list a bit better, it seems there's still 3 Chaplin films left, so I'm cutting:

78. Modern Times.

I'm not a big fan of slapstick, then again I'm not a big fan of classic cinema in general, so I don't have anything particular against the genre. There's just something about Chaplin/The Tramp that irks me no end. He's my worst-rated director (bar none), though it has more to do with his acting than his direction. I dislike all his work equally, but since I can pick only one film, I'll go for the tech-whining one.

AFI listShow
1. Citizen Kane
2. The Godfather
3. Casablanca
4. Raging Bull
5. Singin' in the Rain
6. Gone with the Wind
7. Lawrence of Arabia
8. Schindler's List
9. Vertigo
10. The Wizard of Oz
11. City Lights
12. The Searchers
13. Star Wars
14. Psycho
15. 2001: A Space Odyssey
16. Sunset Blvd.
17. The Graduate
18. The General
19. On the Waterfront
20. It's a Wonderful Life
21. Chinatown
22. Some Like It Hot
23. The Grapes of Wrath
24. E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial
25. To Kill a Mockingbird
26. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington
27. High Noon
28. All About Eve
29. Double Indemnity
30. Apocalypse Now
31. The Maltese Falcon
32. The Godfather: Part II
33. One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest
34. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
35. Annie Hall
36. The Bridge on the River Kwai
37. The Best Years of Our Lives
38. The Treasure of the Sierra Madre
39. Dr. Strangelove: or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
40. The Sound of Music
41. King Kong
42. Bonnie and Clyde
43. Midnight Cowboy
44. The Philadelphia Story
45. Shane
46. It Happened One Night
47. A Streetcar Named Desire
48. Rear Window
49. Intolerance: Love's Struggle throughout the Ages
50. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
51. West Side Story
52. Taxi Driver
53. The Deer Hunter
54. MASH
55. North by Northwest
56. Jaws
57. Rocky
58. The Gold Rush
59. Nashville
60. Duck Soup
61. Sullivan's Travels
62. American Graffiti
63. Cabaret
64. Network
65. The African Queen
66. Raiders of the Lost Ark
67. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
68. Unforgiven
69. Tootsie
70. A Clockwork Orange
71. Saving Private Ryan
72. The Shawshank Redemption
73. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
74. The Silence of the Lambs
75. In the Heat of the Night
76. Forrest Gump
77. All the President's Men
78. Modern Times
79. The Wild Bunch
80. The Apartment
81. Spartacus
82. Sunrise: A Song of Two Human
83. Titanic
84. Easy Rider
85. A Night at the Opera
86. Platoon
87. 12 Angry Men
88. Bringing up Baby
89. The Sixth Sense
90. Swing Time
91. Sophie's Choice
92. Goodfellas
93. The French Connection
94. Pulp Fiction
95. The Last Picture Show
96. Do the Right Thing
97. Blade Runner
98. Yankee Doodle Dandy
99. Toy Story
100. Ben-Hur

Whose turn is it?Show
1. toromash
2. sol
3. Onderhond
4. jeff_v
5. jeroeno
6. jvv
7. brokenface
8. beasterne
9. blocho
10. mightysparks
11. mathiasa
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Post by cinewest » May 22nd, 2020, 9:58 am

I was going to predict that The Shining would win, since it's probably the only film on the list that onderhond likes, but then I noticed it's not on there. :-)

Locate his favorite, though, and that's probably the winner, since he has 2 vetos to use in its defense, and it's probably an acceptable choice to most of you.

Anyone bold enough to try taking down Citizen Kane or Vertigo. Not sure anyone here would defend Kane, but at least someone will burn a veto on Vertigo.
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Post by Onderhond » May 22nd, 2020, 9:59 am

cinewest wrote:
May 22nd, 2020, 9:58 am
Locate his favorite, though, and that's probably the winner, since he has 2 vetos to use in its defense, and it's probably an acceptable choice to most of you.
Nah, because the final 10 will be voted I believe, so my "favorites" have no chance whatsoever.

Also, there's not a single film from my top 600 in the full list, though there is a personal favorite (which probably won't survive a rewatch).

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Post by toromash » May 22nd, 2020, 1:46 pm

prodigalgodson wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 11:17 pm
toromash wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 6:02 pm
i think that a film should be able to prove itself in about 2 hours not 4.
I've been mostly lurking in this thread but why 2 hours? My grandma used to say the same thing with the same metric, but in my experience there are films of comparable impact that are 10 minutes and 10 hours (Hollis Frampton's Gloria! and West of the Tracks, say).
This is the ideal length of a film in my view. I don't dislike a film, if it doesn't follow this rule, but i will notice it, if i feel it drags in certain parts. There are many movies longer than 2 hours that i absolutely adore. Films by Lav Diaz, Tarkovsky, Kurosawa etc, and i'm still waiting for the possibility of watching The Human Condition for the first time.

The reason why 2 hours is ideal is because i consider film as a hobby. When something is a hobby, it serves as a side activity, which i use a limited amount of time on. This must be the case for almost every other person, which is why a length between 90 and 120 minutes is the average and a norm. If it goes around for longer, and i feel it could have been made shorter, i feel like i could have been doing something else instead. This is an opportunity cost. that i make, but i'm mostly satisfied anyway.

I should say, that i didn't feel this about Lawrence of Arabia, and i consider it a very good film (except the long black screen). But compared to the other 8's, this was a significantly longer film than the others. And as i'm still only on the rating of 8, when eliminating films, i don't see a reason, why i should go through every movie evaluating every pros and cons i can find, until there is a perfect match. So this was the easy way to do it. I understand that there are many fans of this film and David Lean, so i get your confusion.

This is a question of preference, and my preference is the way described above.

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Post by toromash » May 22nd, 2020, 1:57 pm

I see now that i have contradicted myself a little. in the end i feel, it was too long. Lawrence of Arabia shouldn't be 2 hours long, but it could have been shorter. It's hard to say where, because it's over 4 years since i saw it, so i only remember noticing it. My problem is that i don't write about films, when i have seen it, so i can't write a long text about it. Sorry if my logic isn't rational.

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Post by medium cool » May 22nd, 2020, 9:28 pm

sol wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 10:49 pm
Should I veto Lawrence of Arabia? :think: It's tempting
Is that a suggested veto against LoA? No, couldn't be. You want to veto... in favor of LoA. Go ahead. I mean, you wouldn't veto against LoA. That would make you an academic terrorist whose mother mated a scorpion. A real douche. A flat out Republican. Truly, that much is written. You'd never hear the end of it. Now, vote as you conscience suggest, and prepare to reap the whirlwind (that's me, unforgiving me <_< ).

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Post by blocho » May 23rd, 2020, 12:00 am

medium cool wrote:
May 22nd, 2020, 9:28 pm
sol wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 10:49 pm
Should I veto Lawrence of Arabia? :think: It's tempting
Is that a suggested veto against LoA? No, couldn't be. You want to veto... in favor of LoA. Go ahead. I mean, you wouldn't veto against LoA. That would make you an academic terrorist whose mother mated a scorpion. A real douche. A flat out Republican. Truly, that much is written. You'd never hear the end of it. Now, vote as you conscience suggest, and prepare to reap the whirlwind (that's me, unforgiving me <_< ).
This made me laugh. There are some great quotes from Lawrence here, along with some real randomness. Or maybe I just don't remember Omar Sharif calling Peter O'Toole "a real douche" in the movie. Must have missed that scene.

I think it's Jeff's turn.

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Post by jeff_v » May 23rd, 2020, 2:21 am

Someone has to cut The Shawshank Redemption and it might as well be me. Decent enough, I suppose, but relatively artless and obvious.
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1. Citizen Kane
2. The Godfather
3. Casablanca
4. Raging Bull
5. Singin' in the Rain
6. Gone with the Wind
7. Lawrence of Arabia
8. Schindler's List
9. Vertigo
10. The Wizard of Oz
11. City Lights
12. The Searchers
13. Star Wars
14. Psycho
15. 2001: A Space Odyssey
16. Sunset Blvd.
17. The Graduate
18. The General
19. On the Waterfront
20. It's a Wonderful Life
21. Chinatown
22. Some Like It Hot
23. The Grapes of Wrath
24. E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial
25. To Kill a Mockingbird
26. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington
27. High Noon
28. All About Eve
29. Double Indemnity
30. Apocalypse Now
31. The Maltese Falcon
32. The Godfather: Part II
33. One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest
34. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
35. Annie Hall
36. The Bridge on the River Kwai
37. The Best Years of Our Lives
38. The Treasure of the Sierra Madre
39. Dr. Strangelove: or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
40. The Sound of Music
41. King Kong
42. Bonnie and Clyde
43. Midnight Cowboy
44. The Philadelphia Story
45. Shane
46. It Happened One Night
47. A Streetcar Named Desire
48. Rear Window
49. Intolerance: Love's Struggle throughout the Ages
50. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
51. West Side Story
52. Taxi Driver
53. The Deer Hunter
54. MASH
55. North by Northwest
56. Jaws
57. Rocky
58. The Gold Rush
59. Nashville
60. Duck Soup
61. Sullivan's Travels
62. American Graffiti
63. Cabaret
64. Network
65. The African Queen
66. Raiders of the Lost Ark
67. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
68. Unforgiven
69. Tootsie
70. A Clockwork Orange
71. Saving Private Ryan
72. The Shawshank Redemption
73. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
74. The Silence of the Lambs
75. In the Heat of the Night
76. Forrest Gump
77. All the President's Men
78. Modern Times
79. The Wild Bunch
80. The Apartment
81. Spartacus
82. Sunrise: A Song of Two Human
83. Titanic
84. Easy Rider
85. A Night at the Opera
86. Platoon
87. 12 Angry Men
88. Bringing up Baby
89. The Sixth Sense
90. Swing Time
91. Sophie's Choice
92. Goodfellas
93. The French Connection
94. Pulp Fiction
95. The Last Picture Show
96. Do the Right Thing
97. Blade Runner
98. Yankee Doodle Dandy
99. Toy Story
100. Ben-Hur

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3. Onderhond
4. jeff_v
5. jeroeno
6. jvv
7. brokenface
8. beasterne
9. blocho
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Post by prodigalgodson » May 23rd, 2020, 2:44 am

toromash wrote:
May 22nd, 2020, 1:46 pm
prodigalgodson wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 11:17 pm
toromash wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 6:02 pm
i think that a film should be able to prove itself in about 2 hours not 4.
I've been mostly lurking in this thread but why 2 hours? My grandma used to say the same thing with the same metric, but in my experience there are films of comparable impact that are 10 minutes and 10 hours (Hollis Frampton's Gloria! and West of the Tracks, say).
This is the ideal length of a film in my view. I don't dislike a film, if it doesn't follow this rule, but i will notice it, if i feel it drags in certain parts. There are many movies longer than 2 hours that i absolutely adore. Films by Lav Diaz, Tarkovsky, Kurosawa etc, and i'm still waiting for the possibility of watching The Human Condition for the first time.

The reason why 2 hours is ideal is because i consider film as a hobby. When something is a hobby, it serves as a side activity, which i use a limited amount of time on. This must be the case for almost every other person, which is why a length between 90 and 120 minutes is the average and a norm. If it goes around for longer, and i feel it could have been made shorter, i feel like i could have been doing something else instead. This is an opportunity cost. that i make, but i'm mostly satisfied anyway.

I should say, that i didn't feel this about Lawrence of Arabia, and i consider it a very good film (except the long black screen). But compared to the other 8's, this was a significantly longer film than the others. And as i'm still only on the rating of 8, when eliminating films, i don't see a reason, why i should go through every movie evaluating every pros and cons i can find, until there is a perfect match. So this was the easy way to do it. I understand that there are many fans of this film and David Lean, so i get your confusion.

This is a question of preference, and my preference is the way described above.
Fair enough. I feel similarly about TV myself, I don't watch much and am very picky when I do because I know it's gonna be such a time sink.

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Post by cinewest » May 23rd, 2020, 3:03 am

Good job, jeff_v, with solid reasoning that's succinct and to the point.

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Post by sol » May 23rd, 2020, 3:33 am

medium cool wrote:
May 22nd, 2020, 9:28 pm
sol wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 10:49 pm
Should I veto Lawrence of Arabia? :think: It's tempting
Is that a suggested veto against LoA? No, couldn't be. You want to veto... in favor of LoA. Go ahead. I mean, you wouldn't veto against LoA. That would make you an academic terrorist whose mother mated a scorpion. A real douche. A flat out Republican. Truly, that much is written. You'd never hear the end of it. Now, vote as you conscience suggest, and prepare to reap the whirlwind (that's me, unforgiving me <_< ).
But at least it is only one person bashing LoA here. You should see this thread where we have several users who can remember that they liked Seconds, and even Rock Hudson's performance, but cannot recall what a single image from the film looked like. :o :huh:
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Post by mightysparks » May 23rd, 2020, 3:45 am

I’m not a fan of LoA either, but I think it’s just mediocre so I’m not that fussed. I haven’t seen most of these films in 10+ years so it’s hard to remember much about them.

Shawshank is a film that I like a little less with each rewatch. It’s enjoyable and entertaining, but there’s something too clean and sterile and careful about it that it just doesn’t work as well for me anymore.
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Post by jeroeno » May 23rd, 2020, 4:36 am

It's about time to get rid of West Side Story. Before Steven Spielberg defiles theatres in December with a pointless remake that is. I'm getting to the point where I don't see "bad" movies on the list anymore but just "meh" movies and this is one of 'em. The idea is good, the execution is fine but compared to other movies on the list this is the most "meh" one.
AFI listShow
1. Citizen Kane
2. The Godfather
3. Casablanca
4. Raging Bull
5. Singin' in the Rain
6. Gone with the Wind
7. Lawrence of Arabia
8. Schindler's List
9. Vertigo
10. The Wizard of Oz
11. City Lights
12. The Searchers
13. Star Wars
14. Psycho
15. 2001: A Space Odyssey
16. Sunset Blvd.
17. The Graduate
18. The General
19. On the Waterfront
20. It's a Wonderful Life
21. Chinatown
22. Some Like It Hot
23. The Grapes of Wrath
24. E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial
25. To Kill a Mockingbird
26. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington
27. High Noon
28. All About Eve
29. Double Indemnity
30. Apocalypse Now
31. The Maltese Falcon
32. The Godfather: Part II
33. One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest
34. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
35. Annie Hall
36. The Bridge on the River Kwai
37. The Best Years of Our Lives
38. The Treasure of the Sierra Madre
39. Dr. Strangelove: or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
40. The Sound of Music
41. King Kong
42. Bonnie and Clyde
43. Midnight Cowboy
44. The Philadelphia Story
45. Shane
46. It Happened One Night
47. A Streetcar Named Desire
48. Rear Window
49. Intolerance: Love's Struggle throughout the Ages
50. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
51. West Side Story
52. Taxi Driver
53. The Deer Hunter
54. MASH
55. North by Northwest
56. Jaws
57. Rocky
58. The Gold Rush
59. Nashville
60. Duck Soup
61. Sullivan's Travels
62. American Graffiti
63. Cabaret
64. Network
65. The African Queen
66. Raiders of the Lost Ark
67. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
68. Unforgiven
69. Tootsie
70. A Clockwork Orange
71. Saving Private Ryan
72. The Shawshank Redemption
73. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
74. The Silence of the Lambs
75. In the Heat of the Night
76. Forrest Gump
77. All the President's Men
78. Modern Times
79. The Wild Bunch
80. The Apartment
81. Spartacus
82. Sunrise: A Song of Two Human
83. Titanic
84. Easy Rider
85. A Night at the Opera
86. Platoon
87. 12 Angry Men
88. Bringing up Baby
89. The Sixth Sense
90. Swing Time
91. Sophie's Choice
92. Goodfellas
93. The French Connection
94. Pulp Fiction
95. The Last Picture Show
96. Do the Right Thing
97. Blade Runner
98. Yankee Doodle Dandy
99. Toy Story
100. Ben-Hur

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1. toromash
2. sol
3. Onderhond
4. jeff_v
5. jeroeno
6. jvv
7. brokenface
8. beasterne
9. blocho
10. mightysparks
11. mathiasa

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Post by cinewest » May 23rd, 2020, 5:50 am

jeroeno wrote:
May 23rd, 2020, 4:36 am
It's about time to get rid of West Side Story. Before Steven Spielberg defiles theatres in December with a pointless remake that is. I'm getting to the point where I don't see "bad" movies on the list anymore but just "meh" movies and this is one of 'em. The idea is good, the execution is fine but compared to other movies on the list this is the most "meh" one.
AFI listShow
1. Citizen Kane
2. The Godfather
3. Casablanca
4. Raging Bull
5. Singin' in the Rain
6. Gone with the Wind
7. Lawrence of Arabia
8. Schindler's List
9. Vertigo
10. The Wizard of Oz
11. City Lights
12. The Searchers
13. Star Wars
14. Psycho
15. 2001: A Space Odyssey
16. Sunset Blvd.
17. The Graduate
18. The General
19. On the Waterfront
20. It's a Wonderful Life
21. Chinatown
22. Some Like It Hot
23. The Grapes of Wrath
24. E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial
25. To Kill a Mockingbird
26. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington
27. High Noon
28. All About Eve
29. Double Indemnity
30. Apocalypse Now
31. The Maltese Falcon
32. The Godfather: Part II
33. One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest
34. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
35. Annie Hall
36. The Bridge on the River Kwai
37. The Best Years of Our Lives
38. The Treasure of the Sierra Madre
39. Dr. Strangelove: or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
40. The Sound of Music
41. King Kong
42. Bonnie and Clyde
43. Midnight Cowboy
44. The Philadelphia Story
45. Shane
46. It Happened One Night
47. A Streetcar Named Desire
48. Rear Window
49. Intolerance: Love's Struggle throughout the Ages
50. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
51. West Side Story
52. Taxi Driver
53. The Deer Hunter
54. MASH
55. North by Northwest
56. Jaws
57. Rocky
58. The Gold Rush
59. Nashville
60. Duck Soup
61. Sullivan's Travels
62. American Graffiti
63. Cabaret
64. Network
65. The African Queen
66. Raiders of the Lost Ark
67. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
68. Unforgiven
69. Tootsie
70. A Clockwork Orange
71. Saving Private Ryan
72. The Shawshank Redemption
73. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
74. The Silence of the Lambs
75. In the Heat of the Night
76. Forrest Gump
77. All the President's Men
78. Modern Times
79. The Wild Bunch
80. The Apartment
81. Spartacus
82. Sunrise: A Song of Two Human
83. Titanic
84. Easy Rider
85. A Night at the Opera
86. Platoon
87. 12 Angry Men
88. Bringing up Baby
89. The Sixth Sense
90. Swing Time
91. Sophie's Choice
92. Goodfellas
93. The French Connection
94. Pulp Fiction
95. The Last Picture Show
96. Do the Right Thing
97. Blade Runner
98. Yankee Doodle Dandy
99. Toy Story
100. Ben-Hur

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2. sol
3. Onderhond
4. jeff_v
5. jeroeno
6. jvv
7. brokenface
8. beasterne
9. blocho
10. mightysparks
11. mathiasa
You mean like Swing Time, A Night At The Opera, Spartacus, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Rocky, Jaws, etc....

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Post by jeroeno » May 23rd, 2020, 5:59 am

cinewest wrote:
May 23rd, 2020, 5:50 am
jeroeno wrote:
May 23rd, 2020, 4:36 am
It's about time to get rid of West Side Story. Before Steven Spielberg defiles theatres in December with a pointless remake that is. I'm getting to the point where I don't see "bad" movies on the list anymore but just "meh" movies and this is one of 'em. The idea is good, the execution is fine but compared to other movies on the list this is the most "meh" one.
AFI listShow
1. Citizen Kane
2. The Godfather
3. Casablanca
4. Raging Bull
5. Singin' in the Rain
6. Gone with the Wind
7. Lawrence of Arabia
8. Schindler's List
9. Vertigo
10. The Wizard of Oz
11. City Lights
12. The Searchers
13. Star Wars
14. Psycho
15. 2001: A Space Odyssey
16. Sunset Blvd.
17. The Graduate
18. The General
19. On the Waterfront
20. It's a Wonderful Life
21. Chinatown
22. Some Like It Hot
23. The Grapes of Wrath
24. E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial
25. To Kill a Mockingbird
26. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington
27. High Noon
28. All About Eve
29. Double Indemnity
30. Apocalypse Now
31. The Maltese Falcon
32. The Godfather: Part II
33. One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest
34. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
35. Annie Hall
36. The Bridge on the River Kwai
37. The Best Years of Our Lives
38. The Treasure of the Sierra Madre
39. Dr. Strangelove: or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
40. The Sound of Music
41. King Kong
42. Bonnie and Clyde
43. Midnight Cowboy
44. The Philadelphia Story
45. Shane
46. It Happened One Night
47. A Streetcar Named Desire
48. Rear Window
49. Intolerance: Love's Struggle throughout the Ages
50. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
51. West Side Story
52. Taxi Driver
53. The Deer Hunter
54. MASH
55. North by Northwest
56. Jaws
57. Rocky
58. The Gold Rush
59. Nashville
60. Duck Soup
61. Sullivan's Travels
62. American Graffiti
63. Cabaret
64. Network
65. The African Queen
66. Raiders of the Lost Ark
67. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
68. Unforgiven
69. Tootsie
70. A Clockwork Orange
71. Saving Private Ryan
72. The Shawshank Redemption
73. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
74. The Silence of the Lambs
75. In the Heat of the Night
76. Forrest Gump
77. All the President's Men
78. Modern Times
79. The Wild Bunch
80. The Apartment
81. Spartacus
82. Sunrise: A Song of Two Human
83. Titanic
84. Easy Rider
85. A Night at the Opera
86. Platoon
87. 12 Angry Men
88. Bringing up Baby
89. The Sixth Sense
90. Swing Time
91. Sophie's Choice
92. Goodfellas
93. The French Connection
94. Pulp Fiction
95. The Last Picture Show
96. Do the Right Thing
97. Blade Runner
98. Yankee Doodle Dandy
99. Toy Story
100. Ben-Hur

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3. Onderhond
4. jeff_v
5. jeroeno
6. jvv
7. brokenface
8. beasterne
9. blocho
10. mightysparks
11. mathiasa
You mean like Swing Time, A Night At The Opera, Spartacus, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Rocky, Jaws, etc....
All of the above... yes... plus The Last Picture Show, Singin' in the Rain, Shane, The Best Years of Our Lives, The Maltese Falcon, Godfather II, Raging Bull and some others

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Post by sol » May 23rd, 2020, 6:04 am

Happy to see West Side Story axed, but I would be really upset if The Last Picture Show was removed next. :( Anyway, I'm not going to say which, but three of the six other films that you have highlighted are actually among the half-dozen that I am considering ditching next, jero. :unsure:
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Post by jvv » May 23rd, 2020, 8:22 am

I'm cutting Bonnie and Clyde. Warren Beatty and Faye Dunaway just don't make convincing gangsters to me.
AFI listShow
1. Citizen Kane
2. The Godfather
3. Casablanca
4. Raging Bull
5. Singin' in the Rain
6. Gone with the Wind
7. Lawrence of Arabia
8. Schindler's List
9. Vertigo
10. The Wizard of Oz
11. City Lights
12. The Searchers
13. Star Wars
14. Psycho
15. 2001: A Space Odyssey
16. Sunset Blvd.
17. The Graduate
18. The General
19. On the Waterfront
20. It's a Wonderful Life
21. Chinatown
22. Some Like It Hot
23. The Grapes of Wrath
24. E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial
25. To Kill a Mockingbird
26. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington
27. High Noon
28. All About Eve
29. Double Indemnity
30. Apocalypse Now
31. The Maltese Falcon
32. The Godfather: Part II
33. One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest
34. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
35. Annie Hall
36. The Bridge on the River Kwai
37. The Best Years of Our Lives
38. The Treasure of the Sierra Madre
39. Dr. Strangelove: or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
40. The Sound of Music
41. King Kong
42. Bonnie and Clyde
43. Midnight Cowboy
44. The Philadelphia Story
45. Shane
46. It Happened One Night
47. A Streetcar Named Desire
48. Rear Window
49. Intolerance: Love's Struggle throughout the Ages
50. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
51. West Side Story
52. Taxi Driver
53. The Deer Hunter
54. MASH
55. North by Northwest
56. Jaws
57. Rocky
58. The Gold Rush
59. Nashville
60. Duck Soup
61. Sullivan's Travels
62. American Graffiti
63. Cabaret
64. Network
65. The African Queen
66. Raiders of the Lost Ark
67. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
68. Unforgiven
69. Tootsie
70. A Clockwork Orange
71. Saving Private Ryan
72. The Shawshank Redemption
73. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
74. The Silence of the Lambs
75. In the Heat of the Night
76. Forrest Gump
77. All the President's Men
78. Modern Times
79. The Wild Bunch
80. The Apartment
81. Spartacus
82. Sunrise: A Song of Two Human
83. Titanic
84. Easy Rider
85. A Night at the Opera
86. Platoon
87. 12 Angry Men
88. Bringing up Baby
89. The Sixth Sense
90. Swing Time
91. Sophie's Choice
92. Goodfellas
93. The French Connection
94. Pulp Fiction
95. The Last Picture Show
96. Do the Right Thing
97. Blade Runner
98. Yankee Doodle Dandy
99. Toy Story
100. Ben-Hur

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1. toromash
2. sol
3. Onderhond
4. jeff_v
5. jeroeno
6. jvv
7. brokenface
8. beasterne
9. blocho
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11. mathiasa

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Post by cinewest » May 23rd, 2020, 8:27 am

jeroeno wrote:
May 23rd, 2020, 5:59 am
cinewest wrote:
May 23rd, 2020, 5:50 am
jeroeno wrote:
May 23rd, 2020, 4:36 am
It's about time to get rid of West Side Story. Before Steven Spielberg defiles theatres in December with a pointless remake that is. I'm getting to the point where I don't see "bad" movies on the list anymore but just "meh" movies and this is one of 'em. The idea is good, the execution is fine but compared to other movies on the list this is the most "meh" one.
AFI listShow
1. Citizen Kane
2. The Godfather
3. Casablanca
4. Raging Bull
5. Singin' in the Rain
6. Gone with the Wind
7. Lawrence of Arabia
8. Schindler's List
9. Vertigo
10. The Wizard of Oz
11. City Lights
12. The Searchers
13. Star Wars
14. Psycho
15. 2001: A Space Odyssey
16. Sunset Blvd.
17. The Graduate
18. The General
19. On the Waterfront
20. It's a Wonderful Life
21. Chinatown
22. Some Like It Hot
23. The Grapes of Wrath
24. E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial
25. To Kill a Mockingbird
26. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington
27. High Noon
28. All About Eve
29. Double Indemnity
30. Apocalypse Now
31. The Maltese Falcon
32. The Godfather: Part II
33. One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest
34. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
35. Annie Hall
36. The Bridge on the River Kwai
37. The Best Years of Our Lives
38. The Treasure of the Sierra Madre
39. Dr. Strangelove: or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
40. The Sound of Music
41. King Kong
42. Bonnie and Clyde
43. Midnight Cowboy
44. The Philadelphia Story
45. Shane
46. It Happened One Night
47. A Streetcar Named Desire
48. Rear Window
49. Intolerance: Love's Struggle throughout the Ages
50. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
51. West Side Story
52. Taxi Driver
53. The Deer Hunter
54. MASH
55. North by Northwest
56. Jaws
57. Rocky
58. The Gold Rush
59. Nashville
60. Duck Soup
61. Sullivan's Travels
62. American Graffiti
63. Cabaret
64. Network
65. The African Queen
66. Raiders of the Lost Ark
67. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
68. Unforgiven
69. Tootsie
70. A Clockwork Orange
71. Saving Private Ryan
72. The Shawshank Redemption
73. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
74. The Silence of the Lambs
75. In the Heat of the Night
76. Forrest Gump
77. All the President's Men
78. Modern Times
79. The Wild Bunch
80. The Apartment
81. Spartacus
82. Sunrise: A Song of Two Human
83. Titanic
84. Easy Rider
85. A Night at the Opera
86. Platoon
87. 12 Angry Men
88. Bringing up Baby
89. The Sixth Sense
90. Swing Time
91. Sophie's Choice
92. Goodfellas
93. The French Connection
94. Pulp Fiction
95. The Last Picture Show
96. Do the Right Thing
97. Blade Runner
98. Yankee Doodle Dandy
99. Toy Story
100. Ben-Hur

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2. sol
3. Onderhond
4. jeff_v
5. jeroeno
6. jvv
7. brokenface
8. beasterne
9. blocho
10. mightysparks
11. mathiasa
You mean like Swing Time, A Night At The Opera, Spartacus, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Rocky, Jaws, etc....
All of the above... yes... plus The Last Picture Show, Singin' in the Rain, Shane, The Best Years of Our Lives, The Maltese Falcon, Godfather II, Raging Bull and some others
Oh yeah, sappy Shane is a real doozy, in the same camp as Rocky, for me, and the very definition of "meh." I'm still trying to figure out how any of these are preferred to the Godfather.

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Post by cinewest » May 23rd, 2020, 8:29 am

jvv wrote:
May 23rd, 2020, 8:22 am
I'm cutting Bonnie and Clyde. Warren Beatty and Faye Dunaway just don't make convincing gangsters to me.
AFI listShow
1. Citizen Kane
2. The Godfather
3. Casablanca
4. Raging Bull
5. Singin' in the Rain
6. Gone with the Wind
7. Lawrence of Arabia
8. Schindler's List
9. Vertigo
10. The Wizard of Oz
11. City Lights
12. The Searchers
13. Star Wars
14. Psycho
15. 2001: A Space Odyssey
16. Sunset Blvd.
17. The Graduate
18. The General
19. On the Waterfront
20. It's a Wonderful Life
21. Chinatown
22. Some Like It Hot
23. The Grapes of Wrath
24. E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial
25. To Kill a Mockingbird
26. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington
27. High Noon
28. All About Eve
29. Double Indemnity
30. Apocalypse Now
31. The Maltese Falcon
32. The Godfather: Part II
33. One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest
34. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
35. Annie Hall
36. The Bridge on the River Kwai
37. The Best Years of Our Lives
38. The Treasure of the Sierra Madre
39. Dr. Strangelove: or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
40. The Sound of Music
41. King Kong
42. Bonnie and Clyde
43. Midnight Cowboy
44. The Philadelphia Story
45. Shane
46. It Happened One Night
47. A Streetcar Named Desire
48. Rear Window
49. Intolerance: Love's Struggle throughout the Ages
50. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
51. West Side Story
52. Taxi Driver
53. The Deer Hunter
54. MASH
55. North by Northwest
56. Jaws
57. Rocky
58. The Gold Rush
59. Nashville
60. Duck Soup
61. Sullivan's Travels
62. American Graffiti
63. Cabaret
64. Network
65. The African Queen
66. Raiders of the Lost Ark
67. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
68. Unforgiven
69. Tootsie
70. A Clockwork Orange
71. Saving Private Ryan
72. The Shawshank Redemption
73. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
74. The Silence of the Lambs
75. In the Heat of the Night
76. Forrest Gump
77. All the President's Men
78. Modern Times
79. The Wild Bunch
80. The Apartment
81. Spartacus
82. Sunrise: A Song of Two Human
83. Titanic
84. Easy Rider
85. A Night at the Opera
86. Platoon
87. 12 Angry Men
88. Bringing up Baby
89. The Sixth Sense
90. Swing Time
91. Sophie's Choice
92. Goodfellas
93. The French Connection
94. Pulp Fiction
95. The Last Picture Show
96. Do the Right Thing
97. Blade Runner
98. Yankee Doodle Dandy
99. Toy Story
100. Ben-Hur

Whose turn is it?Show
1. toromash
2. sol
3. Onderhond
4. jeff_v
5. jeroeno
6. jvv
7. brokenface
8. beasterne
9. blocho
10. mightysparks
11. mathiasa
How many of the films on this list are "convincing?" And convincing of what?

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