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500<400, Favourite 1001 movies, Doubling the Canon, Film World Cup and many other votes
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Re: Doubling the Canon 2019 Update - Results

#841

Post by OldAle1 » May 10th, 2019, 5:33 pm

rnilsson19 wrote:
May 10th, 2019, 4:24 pm
I voted for the House of Usher film thinking it was the Epstein one.
Oh yeah I'm sure that happened a few times. I personally love that film - like the Epstein plenty, but the Watson/Webber just knocks me out.

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Post by blocho » May 10th, 2019, 5:47 pm

joachimt wrote:
May 10th, 2019, 5:20 pm
That's it. I vote we remove the official status of Doubling the Canon. :folded:
Well, if we're going to have a vote, it should be between following:

- Doubling the Canon
- DtC list
- Doubling the Cannon
- Double the Canon

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Post by xianjiro » May 10th, 2019, 7:09 pm

blocho wrote:
May 10th, 2019, 5:47 pm
joachimt wrote:
May 10th, 2019, 5:20 pm
That's it. I vote we remove the official status of Doubling the Canon. :folded:
Well, if we're going to have a vote, it should be between following:

- Doubling the Canon
- DtC list
- Doubling the Cannon
- Double the Canon

:lol:
- Doubling the Canyon

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Post by mjf314 » May 10th, 2019, 8:24 pm

Perception de Ambiguity wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 6:26 pm
2016 - S certy nejsou zerty [Give the Devil His Due] (1985) 5.25-4
2017 - S certy nejsou zerty [Give the Devil His Due] (1985) 5.33-3
2018 - S certy nejsou zerty [Give the Devil His Due] (1985) 5.25-4
2019 - S certy nejsou zerty [Give the Devil His Due] (1985) 5.33-3

It's a Czech fairy-tale comedy type of film with a love-triangle and the devil himself in a major role having his hands in it...or something. I don't remember. Light but fun fare, I guess, so if that's your kind of thing, go for it, by all means. With this promo I probably just killed the film for DtC, but that's OK, I rather doubt that I myself would care for it as much nowadays as I did back when I saw it.[/color]
I watched it a few years ago and I gave it a 6.

I should warn DtC participants that it's not an arthouse film. It's a fun fairy tale film, and one of the best that I've seen. If I had to compare it to something, I guess it's a little bit like Three Wishes for Cinderella, but with more comedy, and a devil character.

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Post by WalterNeff » May 10th, 2019, 9:16 pm

You don't get these sort of mistakes with the Pre-Code list, just sayin'

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#846

Post by albajos » May 11th, 2019, 12:29 am

Doubling the Cranston

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Post by Ebbywebby » May 11th, 2019, 12:30 am

cinephage wrote:
May 10th, 2019, 8:33 am
Some people will be watching this movie, and wonder at how pervert the voters of the DTC list really are... The naughty, naughty, members of the ICM forum... Who'd have guessed they were like that ?
Dare I ask who nominated this film in the first place?
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#848

Post by albajos » May 11th, 2019, 12:37 am

Holdover from last year

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Post by funkybusiness » May 11th, 2019, 12:38 am

albajos wrote:
May 11th, 2019, 12:37 am
Holdover from last year
which was a holdover from the year before, I think. I can't find which year was its initial nomination!


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Post by RBG » May 11th, 2019, 12:56 am

was this just a long-running practical joke in anticipation of this moment :p if so, well played sir :cheers:
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Post by insomnius » May 11th, 2019, 11:48 am

No joke. No ulterior motives. It's a good film, and I'm not even gay. And I can't believe this is such an issue other than the mix-up, which wouldn't be an issue if not for the nature of this particular film. So it slunk in the back door. Tough luck.

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Post by AB537 » May 11th, 2019, 12:36 pm

Out of curiosity, is there a spreadsheet that shows each film's score? Personally I'd find it helpful in setting priorities in future challenges, perhaps others would as well. If not I can pull numbers from the results posted here.

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Post by joachimt » May 11th, 2019, 2:11 pm

insomnius wrote:
May 11th, 2019, 11:48 am
No joke. No ulterior motives. It's a good film, and I'm not even gay. And I can't believe this is such an issue other than the mix-up, which wouldn't be an issue if not for the nature of this particular film. So it slunk in the back door. Tough luck.
Absolutely not true. I haven't seen it yet and "gay porn" doesn't turn me off completely just by words. I've seen enough weird stuff since joining iCM.

If this was an entirely different movie, I'd still be complaining about the lack of attention some people have put in their voting process. Because that's what happened here. There is an iCM-list and an IMDb-list, so it's very easy to filter the movies you actually saw and only vote for those. Doing this manually is bound to end up in mistakes. There are so many movies with roughly the same title. You just can't go into the spreadsheet just glancing at titles, especially with so many of them, and vote just from memory.

Same goes for House of Usher as mentioned above. Let me repeat that my annoyance (yes, part of me thinks it's funny, but another part thinks it should be dealt with) has nothing to do with LA Plays Itself showing gay porn.
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Post by weirdboy » May 11th, 2019, 2:43 pm

Personally the way I vote for DtC is by taking all the nominee IMDB links and using that to create an ICM list. Then I export that list from ICM and filter in Excel on the ones I've checked. I then cross reference those with my notes to see what I wrote about each one.

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Post by joachimt » May 11th, 2019, 3:21 pm

weirdboy wrote:
May 11th, 2019, 2:43 pm
Personally the way I vote for DtC is by taking all the nominee IMDB links and using that to create an ICM list. Then I export that list from ICM and filter in Excel on the ones I've checked. I then cross reference those with my notes to see what I wrote about each one.
Exactly, filter your checks.
Don't know why you created an iCM-list yourself though, because that was already there.
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Post by Dolwphin » May 11th, 2019, 3:29 pm

Easier just to go through the doc manually, I'm not good with tech-stuff.
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Post by weirdboy » May 11th, 2019, 3:30 pm

joachimt wrote:
May 11th, 2019, 3:21 pm
weirdboy wrote:
May 11th, 2019, 2:43 pm
Personally the way I vote for DtC is by taking all the nominee IMDB links and using that to create an ICM list. Then I export that list from ICM and filter in Excel on the ones I've checked. I then cross reference those with my notes to see what I wrote about each one.
Exactly, filter your checks.
Don't know why you created an iCM-list yourself though, because that was already there.
I do it that way because then I have a list that exactly matches the ballot. Once I filter and fill in my votes it is then really, really easy copy those to my ballot.

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Post by joachimt » May 11th, 2019, 3:38 pm

weirdboy wrote:
May 11th, 2019, 3:30 pm
joachimt wrote:
May 11th, 2019, 3:21 pm
weirdboy wrote:
May 11th, 2019, 2:43 pm
Personally the way I vote for DtC is by taking all the nominee IMDB links and using that to create an ICM list. Then I export that list from ICM and filter in Excel on the ones I've checked. I then cross reference those with my notes to see what I wrote about each one.
Exactly, filter your checks.
Don't know why you created an iCM-list yourself though, because that was already there.
I do it that way because then I have a list that exactly matches the ballot. Once I filter and fill in my votes it is then really, really easy copy those to my ballot.
PA made the list to exactly match the ballot.
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Post by joachimt » May 11th, 2019, 3:40 pm

Dolwphin wrote:
May 11th, 2019, 3:29 pm
Easier just to go through the doc manually, I'm not good with tech-stuff.
And remembering from heart which you've seen and which not. I'd be in doubt lots of times, because I don't remember all titles, so I'd be manually checking iCM-pages constantly. If you're not good with tech-stuff, just ask. You know there are plenty of people here willing to help you. For someone who knows how Excel works, filtering your checks is a matter of 1 or 2 minutes.
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Post by weirdboy » May 11th, 2019, 4:35 pm

joachimt wrote:
May 11th, 2019, 3:38 pm
weirdboy wrote:
May 11th, 2019, 3:30 pm
joachimt wrote:
May 11th, 2019, 3:21 pm

Exactly, filter your checks.
Don't know why you created an iCM-list yourself though, because that was already there.
I do it that way because then I have a list that exactly matches the ballot. Once I filter and fill in my votes it is then really, really easy copy those to my ballot.
PA made the list to exactly match the ballot.
Oh, maybe I don't know that list.

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Post by Ebbywebby » May 11th, 2019, 6:32 pm

insomnius wrote:
May 11th, 2019, 11:48 am
And I can't believe this is such an issue other than the mix-up, which wouldn't be an issue if not for the nature of this particular film.
I questioned the novelty silent "Go West" being voted onto the <400 list, due to the same-named Buster Keaton film from the same period...no porn issue there.

I watched "LA Plays Itself" last night. It had some artistic merit, but...one of the 2,000 greatest films ever made?

As far as the related debate about voting methods, I just opened the ICM DTC-nominations list in one window, opened the ballot spreadsheet in another, arranged them side-by-side on my desktop and just filled in my ratings that way.

I actually made a voting mistake the PREVIOUS year, though -- there's a 1961 film called "Duvad" (The Brute) that I mistakenly gave a vote, sloppily thinking it was the 1953 Luis Bunuel film.
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Post by funkybusiness » May 11th, 2019, 9:19 pm

PdA promoted Go West, the monkey one, heavily a couple years ago. it's not a mistake.

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Post by Nathan Treadway » May 11th, 2019, 9:24 pm

Yeah, both of them are too well known here to make the same mistake as LA/Los Angeles Plays Itself.

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Post by Fergenaprido » May 12th, 2019, 5:52 am

perceval wrote:
May 10th, 2019, 3:14 pm
In regards to this LA Plays Itself discussion, there were also a Sonatine not directed by Kitano getting into the list (and with surprisingly many votes). I almost voted for that one by mistake.
Sonatine (1984) was my nomination, and I was indeed surprised at how many votes it received. I didn't consider that people would confuse it because I wasn't aware of the Kitano film. I still think it's a film that people here would like, and it was one of my pleasant surprise discoveries from last year.

I suppose if people feel that films made it in to the list mistakenly, they can always renominate them next year :p

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Post by xianjiro » May 12th, 2019, 6:55 pm

insomnius wrote:
May 11th, 2019, 11:48 am
No joke. No ulterior motives. It's a good film, and I'm not even gay. And I can't believe this is such an issue other than the mix-up, which wouldn't be an issue if not for the nature of this particular film. So it slunk in the back door. Tough luck.
:guns: back door - pun police on patrol!

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Post by xianjiro » May 12th, 2019, 6:59 pm

joachimt wrote:
May 11th, 2019, 2:11 pm
insomnius wrote:
May 11th, 2019, 11:48 am
No joke. No ulterior motives. It's a good film, and I'm not even gay. And I can't believe this is such an issue other than the mix-up, which wouldn't be an issue if not for the nature of this particular film. So it slunk in the back door. Tough luck.
Absolutely not true. I haven't seen it yet and "gay porn" doesn't turn me off completely just by words. I've seen enough weird stuff since joining iCM.

If this was an entirely different movie, I'd still be complaining about the lack of attention some people have put in their voting process. Because that's what happened here. There is an iCM-list and an IMDb-list, so it's very easy to filter the movies you actually saw and only vote for those. Doing this manually is bound to end up in mistakes. There are so many movies with roughly the same title. You just can't go into the spreadsheet just glancing at titles, especially with so many of them, and vote just from memory.

Same goes for House of Usher as mentioned above. Let me repeat that my annoyance (yes, part of me thinks it's funny, but another part thinks it should be dealt with) has nothing to do with LA Plays Itself showing gay porn.
there were at least three 'sounds like' titles on this ballot. So, I thought, "Haven't I seen this?", but like you point out, working off the IMDb list was the only thing that made it work. For the ones that I thought I'd seen, it was easy to do a search and confirm that I was thinking of a different film.

But hey, for each voter who does due diligence, there's a crackpot that votes for something on a lark. Shit happens and you-know-what-happened to the White House.

That said, maybe some hand-holding or friendly warnings about potential traps in the future? I know I tell myself I want to do things differently next year, but I always forget.

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Post by xianjiro » May 12th, 2019, 7:08 pm

Ebbywebby wrote:
May 11th, 2019, 6:32 pm
insomnius wrote:
May 11th, 2019, 11:48 am
And I can't believe this is such an issue other than the mix-up, which wouldn't be an issue if not for the nature of this particular film.
I questioned the novelty silent "Go West" being voted onto the <400 list, due to the same-named Buster Keaton film from the same period...no porn issue there.

I watched "LA Plays Itself" last night. It had some artistic merit, but...one of the 2,000 greatest films ever made?

As far as the related debate about voting methods, I just opened the ICM DTC-nominations list in one window, opened the ballot spreadsheet in another, arranged them side-by-side on my desktop and just filled in my ratings that way.

I actually made a voting mistake the PREVIOUS year, though -- there's a 1961 film called "Duvad" (The Brute) that I mistakenly gave a vote, sloppily thinking it was the 1953 Luis Bunuel film.
okay, maybe it was more like five sounds like titles - I know there were a bunch

As for 2000 best films ever, I don't see it. It's not that Halsted's work isn't respected on some level in the gay porn world, but putting Japanese music alongside porn doesn't high art make in my book. I'm not even certain I would be willing to call this one of the 2000 best pornos ever made.

Oh well, just when we're free of the El Paso Wrecking burden along comes LA playing with itself. Kansas City Trucking next?

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Post by matthewscott8 » May 17th, 2019, 10:03 am

Hehe, well the DtC is a great exercise, it's fun, lots of banter, very interesting list of films emerge at the end.

Clearly though it's not the place for challenging movies, to get on the list pretty much everyone who watched it had to grasp it, hardly a challenging film at that point then is it?

I have several times caught myself on the verge of rating a film on DTC by mistake along the OldAle1 Crime Wave Crimewave lines, and I am a cautious individual. Also you tend to get a situation where you may be unfamiliar with the original language name of a film and so skip it on the vote. For me if the ballot had English and original name, date of release and director, we could get a lot cleaner results.

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Post by albajos » May 17th, 2019, 10:11 am

I had the icm checks (Ballot) in one window and the ballot in another. So it was simply not possible for me to vote on something I hadn't already checked on icm

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Post by matthewscott8 » May 17th, 2019, 10:31 am

albajos wrote:
May 17th, 2019, 10:11 am
I had the icm checks (Ballot) in one window and the ballot in another. So it was simply not possible for me to vote on something I hadn't already checked on icm
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Post by dirty_score » May 24th, 2019, 11:55 pm

which movies got unnoficial in the last update?

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Post by Nathan Treadway » May 25th, 2019, 12:03 am

dirty_score wrote:
May 24th, 2019, 11:55 pm
which movies got unnoficial in the last update?
Nathan Treadway wrote:
May 6th, 2019, 3:51 pm
New official checks
SpoilerShow
Dealer
Gostanza da Libbiano
Illuminated Texts
Inca Light
Moi, Pierre Rivière, ayant égorgé ma mère, ma soeur et mon frère...
LA 92
Mati Manas
Only Yesterday
Je t'attendrai
Sepio
Behindert
Hajnal
Jenseits der Straße - Eine Tragödie des Alltags
Boerensymfonie
Daisan no kagemusha
Passion
O Último Mergulho
Sahman
The Prisoner
Iya monogatari: Oku no hito
Jago Hua Savera
The Lost Room
Ai sha
Dhrupad
LA Plays Itself
Viele kamen vorbei
Visa de censure n° X
Bumming in Beijing: The Last Dreamers
L'amour à la mer
Maudite soit la guerre
Dar Ghorbat
Happy Hour
Mysterious Journey
Opfergang
Satah Se Uthata Aadmi
Black Roots
Nani ga kanojo o sô saseta ka
Keshtzar haye sepid
Nuestra Señora de Paris
Al primo soffio di vento
La Patagonia rebelde
Hobo
Khlib
Les orgueilleux
Zwischen zwei Kriegen
A High Wind in Jamaica
The Music of Chance
Shinboru
Sorcerer
Columbus
Boy
Poesía sin fin
La fin du jour
King Rat
Tonka Sibenice
Youchai
Autrement, la Molussie
Document Rojo
Hundertwassers Regentag
Love Must Love
Jaguar
Nezhnost
Umimachi Diary
L'enfer d'Henri-Georges Clouzot
Thelma
Jane B. par Agnès V.
Losing official status:
SpoilerShow
Avetik
Ladybug Ladybug
Crime Without Passion
Song hua jiang shang
Medea
Angyali üdvözlet
Tma/Svetlo/Tma
Yôtô monogatari: hana no Yoshiwara hyakunin-giri
Âme noire - Black Soul
La vieille dame et les pigeons
Safe in Hell
Belyie gory
El bruto
Never Cry Wolf
La donna del lago
Death and the Mother
Edge of Darkness
O Megalexandros
Paradise
L'amour à mort
Don Kikhot
Film ist a Girl & a Gun

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Post by dirty_score » May 25th, 2019, 4:16 am

Nathan Treadway wrote:
May 25th, 2019, 12:03 am
dirty_score wrote:
May 24th, 2019, 11:55 pm
which movies got unnoficial in the last update?
Nathan Treadway wrote:
May 6th, 2019, 3:51 pm
New official checks
SpoilerShow
Dealer
Gostanza da Libbiano
Illuminated Texts
Inca Light
Moi, Pierre Rivière, ayant égorgé ma mère, ma soeur et mon frère...
LA 92
Mati Manas
Only Yesterday
Je t'attendrai
Sepio
Behindert
Hajnal
Jenseits der Straße - Eine Tragödie des Alltags
Boerensymfonie
Daisan no kagemusha
Passion
O Último Mergulho
Sahman
The Prisoner
Iya monogatari: Oku no hito
Jago Hua Savera
The Lost Room
Ai sha
Dhrupad
LA Plays Itself
Viele kamen vorbei
Visa de censure n° X
Bumming in Beijing: The Last Dreamers
L'amour à la mer
Maudite soit la guerre
Dar Ghorbat
Happy Hour
Mysterious Journey
Opfergang
Satah Se Uthata Aadmi
Black Roots
Nani ga kanojo o sô saseta ka
Keshtzar haye sepid
Nuestra Señora de Paris
Al primo soffio di vento
La Patagonia rebelde
Hobo
Khlib
Les orgueilleux
Zwischen zwei Kriegen
A High Wind in Jamaica
The Music of Chance
Shinboru
Sorcerer
Columbus
Boy
Poesía sin fin
La fin du jour
King Rat
Tonka Sibenice
Youchai
Autrement, la Molussie
Document Rojo
Hundertwassers Regentag
Love Must Love
Jaguar
Nezhnost
Umimachi Diary
L'enfer d'Henri-Georges Clouzot
Thelma
Jane B. par Agnès V.
Losing official status:
SpoilerShow
Avetik
Ladybug Ladybug
Crime Without Passion
Song hua jiang shang
Medea
Angyali üdvözlet
Tma/Svetlo/Tma
Yôtô monogatari: hana no Yoshiwara hyakunin-giri
Âme noire - Black Soul
La vieille dame et les pigeons
Safe in Hell
Belyie gory
El bruto
Never Cry Wolf
La donna del lago
Death and the Mother
Edge of Darkness
O Megalexandros
Paradise
L'amour à mort
Don Kikhot
Film ist a Girl & a Gun
thanks! was too sleepy to find that :sleeping:

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Post by Nathan Treadway » May 25th, 2019, 10:47 am

dirty_score wrote:
May 25th, 2019, 4:16 am
Nathan Treadway wrote:
May 25th, 2019, 12:03 am
dirty_score wrote:
May 24th, 2019, 11:55 pm
which movies got unnoficial in the last update?
Nathan Treadway wrote:
May 6th, 2019, 3:51 pm
New official checks
SpoilerShow
Dealer
Gostanza da Libbiano
Illuminated Texts
Inca Light
Moi, Pierre Rivière, ayant égorgé ma mère, ma soeur et mon frère...
LA 92
Mati Manas
Only Yesterday
Je t'attendrai
Sepio
Behindert
Hajnal
Jenseits der Straße - Eine Tragödie des Alltags
Boerensymfonie
Daisan no kagemusha
Passion
O Último Mergulho
Sahman
The Prisoner
Iya monogatari: Oku no hito
Jago Hua Savera
The Lost Room
Ai sha
Dhrupad
LA Plays Itself
Viele kamen vorbei
Visa de censure n° X
Bumming in Beijing: The Last Dreamers
L'amour à la mer
Maudite soit la guerre
Dar Ghorbat
Happy Hour
Mysterious Journey
Opfergang
Satah Se Uthata Aadmi
Black Roots
Nani ga kanojo o sô saseta ka
Keshtzar haye sepid
Nuestra Señora de Paris
Al primo soffio di vento
La Patagonia rebelde
Hobo
Khlib
Les orgueilleux
Zwischen zwei Kriegen
A High Wind in Jamaica
The Music of Chance
Shinboru
Sorcerer
Columbus
Boy
Poesía sin fin
La fin du jour
King Rat
Tonka Sibenice
Youchai
Autrement, la Molussie
Document Rojo
Hundertwassers Regentag
Love Must Love
Jaguar
Nezhnost
Umimachi Diary
L'enfer d'Henri-Georges Clouzot
Thelma
Jane B. par Agnès V.
Losing official status:
SpoilerShow
Avetik
Ladybug Ladybug
Crime Without Passion
Song hua jiang shang
Medea
Angyali üdvözlet
Tma/Svetlo/Tma
Yôtô monogatari: hana no Yoshiwara hyakunin-giri
Âme noire - Black Soul
La vieille dame et les pigeons
Safe in Hell
Belyie gory
El bruto
Never Cry Wolf
La donna del lago
Death and the Mother
Edge of Darkness
O Megalexandros
Paradise
L'amour à mort
Don Kikhot
Film ist a Girl & a Gun
thanks! was too sleepy to find that :sleeping:
It was a few pages back, anyhow. I posted it right after the final list was posted.

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Post by Ebbywebby » June 20th, 2019, 8:08 pm

List #1
Doubling the Canon Nominations 2018 Favs/dislikes: 8:0.

List #2
Doubling the Canon Nominations 2018 ballot order Favs/dislikes: 3:0.

List #3
2018 DtC Nominees Favs/dislikes: 2:0.

We don't really need two of these lists, do we?

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