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Post by albajos » March 3rd, 2019, 11:22 pm

Another norwegian off. check actually. The norwegian funding is big enough to it being listed in the official Norway Yearbook of 2018. It will be released on DVD here later this year.

edit: How long was Adam in Paradise? 2 minutes :P
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Post by Nathan Treadway » March 3rd, 2019, 11:24 pm

ChrisReynolds wrote:
March 3rd, 2019, 11:16 pm
New FESPACO award winner:

https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/rafiki/
No. That just won for Best Actress. The Golden Stallion went to "The Mercy of the Jungle"

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Post by ChrisReynolds » March 3rd, 2019, 11:33 pm

Nathan Treadway wrote:
March 3rd, 2019, 11:24 pm
ChrisReynolds wrote:
March 3rd, 2019, 11:16 pm
New FESPACO award winner:

https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/rafiki/
No. That just won for Best Actress. The Golden Stallion went to "The Mercy of the Jungle"
Sorry about that. I saw the BBC article titled Fespaco: Banned lesbian love story Rafiki wins award and didn't check properly.

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Post by OldAle1 » March 4th, 2019, 3:45 pm

frbrown wrote:
March 3rd, 2019, 5:25 pm
Bill has resumed updating the noir list

http://www.theyshootpictures.com/noir1000updates.htm
Damn, haven't seen any of those! First time that's happened in the last year or more of updates I think.

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#1885

Post by Knaldskalle » March 4th, 2019, 3:48 pm

PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
March 3rd, 2019, 1:16 am
Edit2: The film is in French, why is its official title in English?
It's only natural that a Belgian movie would be entered in the competition as a Rwandan movie, be in French and have an English title. It's not like they speak Belgian anywhere.
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Post by Nathan Treadway » March 5th, 2019, 7:28 am

Knaldskalle wrote:
March 4th, 2019, 3:48 pm
PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
March 3rd, 2019, 1:16 am
Edit2: The film is in French, why is its official title in English?
It's only natural that a Belgian movie would be entered in the competition as a Rwandan movie, be in French and have an English title. It's not like they speak Belgian anywhere.
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Post by sol » March 5th, 2019, 1:54 pm

OldAle1 wrote:
March 4th, 2019, 3:45 pm
frbrown wrote:
March 3rd, 2019, 5:25 pm
Bill has resumed updating the noir list

http://www.theyshootpictures.com/noir1000updates.htm
Damn, haven't seen any of those! First time that's happened in the last year or more of updates I think.
Mirage is an amazing film and used to be in the More Noirs Official List. Not quite sure why it look so long to make the new list. :shrug:
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#1888

Post by erde » March 9th, 2019, 2:08 pm

It seems that the Reddit top 250 list has been updated today, but it only has 245 movies in it. Does anyone know why? Is the update still in progress, or is there some another reason?
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Post by Fergenaprido » March 9th, 2019, 2:44 pm

erde wrote:
March 9th, 2019, 2:08 pm
It seems that the Reddit top 250 list has been updated today, but it only has 245 movies in it. Does anyone know why? Is the update still in progress, or is there some another reason?
I don't know anything about that, but I found the source list on Reddit, if that helps (source link on icm list needs to be updated as well): https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comment ... _for_2019/

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » March 9th, 2019, 3:46 pm

I assume Marijn got a private PM? It's impossible to use that thread to fix anything since 1) Reddit's sorting algorithm sucks and films aren't sorted right, 2) I guess films got votes after the results were compiled because the order doesn't match the update, especially in the bottom half of the list.

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#1891

Post by ChrisReynolds » March 9th, 2019, 7:33 pm

With the Reddit update, 2 movies gain official status:

Tropic Thunder (2008)
10 Cloverfield Lane (2016)

1 movie loses official status:

Wind River (2017)

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Post by joachimt » March 9th, 2019, 7:46 pm

ChrisReynolds wrote:
March 9th, 2019, 7:33 pm
Tropic Thunder (2008)
Looks like a must-see. <_<
It's on Netflix here, so I'll give it a shot.
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Post by Gershwin » March 9th, 2019, 8:20 pm

joachimt wrote:
March 9th, 2019, 7:46 pm
ChrisReynolds wrote:
March 9th, 2019, 7:33 pm
Tropic Thunder (2008)
Looks like a must-see. <_<
It's on Netflix here, so I'll give it a shot.
I actually found it quite entertaining.
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Post by Nathan Treadway » March 9th, 2019, 8:24 pm

I'm surprised it's not in the Box office list.. Must've just barely missed.

Just looked it up. $188MM.

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Post by Ebbywebby » March 9th, 2019, 9:57 pm

I didn't particularly enjoy Tropic Thunder, but I was always surprised it wasn't "official" just because of the general mainstream love it draws.

The most checked, genre-tagged "Short" I haven't seen is some DVD extra from this film.

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Post by erde » March 10th, 2019, 10:50 am

PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
March 9th, 2019, 3:46 pm
I assume Marijn got a private PM?
I sent a message via the contact form yesterday, so I suppose that he's got the message.
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Post by rnilsson19 » March 15th, 2019, 7:22 pm

New criterion titles:

Swing Time (1936)
L'humanite (1999)
La vie de Jésus (1997)
Hedwig and the Angry Inch (2001)
War and Peace (1966)

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » March 15th, 2019, 8:07 pm

rnilsson19 wrote:
March 15th, 2019, 7:22 pm
New criterion titles:

Swing Time (1936)
L'humanite (1999)
La vie de Jésus (1997)
Hedwig and the Angry Inch (2001)
War and Peace (1966)
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Post by Fergenaprido » March 24th, 2019, 10:34 am

With the recent imdb updates, https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/ningen+no+joken/ is now #1 in War and #18 in Drama. It just passed the 5,000-vote threshold on imdb to qualify for those lists (and incidentally just hit the 1500-check threshold about three months ago).

The other two are at 3,923 and 3,832 imdb votes, respectively, so it may take a while for them to join the first one (they're also at 1295 and 1235 checks at the moment).

Up until now, all three films were on exactly 7 official lists (DTC, icm Most Favorite, Kinema Junpo, Asian Field Guide, BFI 360, Criterion, and 1950s (1 & 2) and FOK! Top 250 (3).

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Post by Nathan Treadway » March 24th, 2019, 2:47 pm

Fergenaprido wrote:
March 24th, 2019, 10:34 am
With the recent imdb updates, https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/ningen+no+joken/ is now #1 in War and #18 in Drama. It just passed the 5,000-vote threshold on imdb to qualify for those lists (and incidentally just hit the 1500-check threshold about three months ago).

The other two are at 3,923 and 3,832 imdb votes, respectively, so it may take a while for them to join the first one (they're also at 1295 and 1235 checks at the moment).

Up until now, all three films were on exactly 7 official lists (DTC, icm Most Favorite, Kinema Junpo, Asian Field Guide, BFI 360, Criterion, and 1950s (1 & 2) and FOK! Top 250 (3).
Every list those films are in just makes those lists better!

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Post by albajos » March 24th, 2019, 2:58 pm

Well, didn't we just say in the 20 Centuray list that we follow the source. The imdb source has a 25 000 vote limit.

Drama
https://www.imdb.com/search/title?genre ... http_gnr_7
War
https://www.imdb.com/search/title?genre ... ttp_gnr_20

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Post by joachimt » March 24th, 2019, 3:16 pm

In these cases we are the source. The advanced search links are made by PdA. He has been working on this btw.
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Post by albajos » March 24th, 2019, 3:26 pm

But for genres there are an official source.

Shouldn't be too difficult to keep the same rules across the board.

You really need a better reason that "we are the source"

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Post by Fergenaprido » March 24th, 2019, 3:28 pm

albajos wrote:
March 24th, 2019, 2:58 pm
Well, didn't we just say in the 20 Centuray list that we follow the source. The imdb source has a 25 000 vote limit.

Drama
https://www.imdb.com/search/title?genre ... http_gnr_7
War
https://www.imdb.com/search/title?genre ... ttp_gnr_20
They don't for me.

When I click on the source at the bottom of the icm list, I see 5000 vote thresholds.
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Where did you get your links from?

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » March 24th, 2019, 3:30 pm

albajos wrote:
March 24th, 2019, 2:58 pm
Well, didn't we just say in the 20 Centuray list that we follow the source. The imdb source has a 25 000 vote limit.

Drama
https://www.imdb.com/search/title?genre ... http_gnr_7
War
https://www.imdb.com/search/title?genre ... ttp_gnr_20
Try clicking their noir link ;)
Those advanced searches are sloppily done subsearches of the imdb top250, they aren't the source.

As joachim said, the lists are imdb's highest rated films as relevant to the ICM forum community, that means a lower imdb vote threshold than the top250 and an ICM check threshold.

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Post by albajos » March 24th, 2019, 3:35 pm

They are the source. It is what's linked on imdb's own site.

https://www.imdb.com/chart/top?ref_=ft_250 on the right side

If you don't like them don't have them on icm. As by changing them means they're no longer imdb-lists. So you can't really call them that anymore, by using definitions that fit only your own worldview.

Who are you to judge what's relevant to icm's user-database.

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Post by joachimt » March 24th, 2019, 3:36 pm

albajos wrote:
March 24th, 2019, 3:26 pm
But for genres there are an official source.

Shouldn't be too difficult to keep the same rules across the board.

You really need a better reason that "we are the source"
There are no official sources for genres. You need to check the facts before posting.
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Post by albajos » March 24th, 2019, 3:37 pm

So those 21 links on that site are just my imagination?

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » March 24th, 2019, 3:55 pm

albajos wrote:
March 24th, 2019, 3:35 pm
They are the source. It is what's linked on imdb's own site.

https://www.imdb.com/chart/top?ref_=ft_250 on the right side

If you don't like them don't have them on icm. As by changing them means they're no longer imdb-lists. So you can't really call them that anymore, by using definitions that fit only your own worldview.

Who are you to judge what's relevant to icm's user-database.
I'm not judging what's relevant to the ICM user base, the user base is judging by checking films. Imdb's searches include films that they explicitly exclude from the top 250 for being vote manipulated, they haven't given us a way to do the same through search. This is the reason for the ICM check threshold. The imdb vote threshold is lowered (back to what imdb had originally chosen for these lists) because it isn't necessary with the ICM check filter. Imdb explicitly chose to raise the threshold from 5000 to 25000 because of these movies.

The lists are in the imdb tab because they're based on imdb ratings, but the list description doesn't mention imdb other than the Top250 which does follow imdb's editorial choices.

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Post by joachimt » March 24th, 2019, 4:12 pm

albajos wrote:
March 24th, 2019, 3:37 pm
So those 21 links on that site are just my imagination?
To be honest, this is the first time I notice the advanced search links on the right side of the top 250. How long have they been there? Several years ago IMDb had separate lists presented at its own page for genres and decades. They ditched them and then iCM decided to go with advanced searches themselves. I don't think the links you mentioned were there at the time.
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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » March 24th, 2019, 4:16 pm

joachimt wrote:
March 24th, 2019, 4:12 pm
albajos wrote:
March 24th, 2019, 3:37 pm
So those 21 links on that site are just my imagination?
To be honest, this is the first time I notice the advanced search links on the right side of the top 250. How long have they been there? Several years ago IMDb had separate lists presented at its own page for genres and decades. They ditched them and then iCM decided to go with advanced searches themselves. I don't think the links you mentioned were there at the time.
Those links weren't there right away, but they were there relatively soon (weeks or months but not years, time is a blur to me now) after imdb's change. They were there by the time we were discussing what to do with the lists.

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Post by joachimt » March 24th, 2019, 4:45 pm

memory is a blur to me now

This shows how often I take a look at this.
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Post by Fergenaprido » March 24th, 2019, 4:58 pm

PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
March 24th, 2019, 4:16 pm
joachimt wrote:
March 24th, 2019, 4:12 pm
albajos wrote:
March 24th, 2019, 3:37 pm
So those 21 links on that site are just my imagination?
To be honest, this is the first time I notice the advanced search links on the right side of the top 250. How long have they been there? Several years ago IMDb had separate lists presented at its own page for genres and decades. They ditched them and then iCM decided to go with advanced searches themselves. I don't think the links you mentioned were there at the time.
Those links weren't there right away, but they were there relatively soon (weeks or months but not years, time is a blur to me now) after imdb's change. They were there by the time we were discussing what to do with the lists.
Yes, but they're only there for the genres, not the decades. I think that's one of the reasons we accepted your proposal PA, as it kept things consistent for both. I don't remember, it was a long discussion :p

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Post by Chilton » March 28th, 2019, 7:52 pm

Unusually big change in ICM's Most Favourite list; 23 new entries and 8 new official checks. Different formula or another reason?

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » March 28th, 2019, 7:57 pm

No idea. No formula changes that I know of and the obscurity level of the new entrants seems to match the list in general. Maybe it wasn't updated in a while?

That's not it. I have no clue. https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/thillu+mullu/ is a new entry with no new faves in a year.

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Post by frbrown » March 30th, 2019, 4:30 pm

Hi frbrown,

Yesterday's top list updates resulted in the following new entries:

Mou gaan dou (2002) at #250 in Top 250
Incredibles 2 (2018) at #155 in Top 250
Gangs of Wasseypur (2012) at #249 in Top 250
As a result, the following movie entries disappeared:

Dog Day Afternoon (1975) at #250 in Top 250
Akira (1988) at #249 in Top 250
Kis Uykusu (2014) at #245 in Top 250
Cheers,

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Surprisingly small update after months of gigantic ones. Did you guys or Marijn change anything?

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » March 30th, 2019, 4:39 pm

We did change something (lists are the same, but sourced from a different link so that there won't be the back and forth flipping of the past few months), but the update was bigger than that. For some reason the other lists didn't show up in the PM, if you go to them one by one you can see what changed. I don't know if not showing up in PMs was a one time bug or something else. I did mention it to Marijn.

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Post by maxwelldeux » March 30th, 2019, 7:14 pm

PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
March 30th, 2019, 4:39 pm
We did change something (lists are the same, but sourced from a different link so that there won't be the back and forth flipping of the past few months), but the update was bigger than that. For some reason the other lists didn't show up in the PM, if you go to them one by one you can see what changed. I don't know if not showing up in PMs was a one time bug or something else. I did mention it to Marijn.
This is super exciting - you've solved my annoying "2000s" list problem where it suddenly became my lowest-ranked list. Great work! :worship: :worship:

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Post by zuma » March 31st, 2019, 3:35 am

maxwelldeux wrote:
March 30th, 2019, 7:14 pm
PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
March 30th, 2019, 4:39 pm
We did change something (lists are the same, but sourced from a different link so that there won't be the back and forth flipping of the past few months), but the update was bigger than that. For some reason the other lists didn't show up in the PM, if you go to them one by one you can see what changed. I don't know if not showing up in PMs was a one time bug or something else. I did mention it to Marijn.
This is super exciting - you've solved my annoying "2000s" list problem where it suddenly became my lowest-ranked list. Great work! :worship: :worship:
Yeah wonderful, but the other, non-imdb, lists now show films that were official months ago as unofficial. So partial clap maybe? Half a step forwards and five steps back.

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » March 31st, 2019, 3:53 am

Yeah something got busted with the "in top lists" counter, but it's not list specific. Marijn is on it, hopefully it's not too hard to reset/fix.

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