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Post by bal3x » March 1st, 2019, 4:01 pm

And it looks like China negotiated with North Korea and Trump was left hanging out there... what a disgrace, they guy was saying Kim is great and the deal was set :lol: This while on the other side Cohen was testifying - I heard an excerpt... I don't think I've ever heard anything like that being said about a running US president... truly disgusting all of that stuff.

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Post by RBG » March 1st, 2019, 4:07 pm

Yeah its really unbelievable its been allowed to go this far...

As someone who loves this country I'm truly appalled that anyone still supports these idiots. Cue cipp..
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Post by bal3x » March 1st, 2019, 4:22 pm

RBG wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 4:07 pm
Yeah its really unbelievable its been allowed to go this far...

As someone who loves this country I'm truly appalled that anyone still supports these idiots. Cue cipp..
Hang in there and let us hope some change is coming sooner than later!

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Post by Cippenham » March 1st, 2019, 4:39 pm

If there is any justice Canada could get rid of their terrible Prime Minister.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... in-trudeau

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Post by Cippenham » March 1st, 2019, 4:47 pm

You should also never trust anyone who doesn’t read books, apparently Corbyn doesn’t. Does Trump read books hmmm, doubtful.

Why don’t we get very intelligent politicians any more?

I don’t trust Trump but still was better than an alternative. Regarding Korea it’s not all over yet.

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Post by Cippenham » March 1st, 2019, 4:48 pm

I am even reading Fire and Fury and still prefer Trump to Mrs Clinton..

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Post by RBG » March 1st, 2019, 4:57 pm

At least Hillary could get a fucking security clearance
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Post by Cippenham » March 1st, 2019, 7:20 pm

Maybe she shouldn’t, what about her emails

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Post by bal3x » March 1st, 2019, 7:58 pm

Cippenham wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 4:39 pm
If there is any justice Canada could get rid of their terrible Prime Minister.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... in-trudeau
LOL, Trudeau too... so basically just like Sarkozy who took coffers from Gaddafi... and these are the people lecturing other countries, huh?

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Post by xianjiro » March 4th, 2019, 3:00 am

bal3x wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 3:11 pm
Grunge Rock & Ally McBeal wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 5:34 am
At what point should the international community put sanctions on the US for its imperialist aggression?
This is actually a very good question... time will tell, but already the US plans in a number of places are falling apart due to China, Russia and a few others so things are not as easy for them as it was 20 years ago. The question is when the rest of the wold will open their eyes and join in to establish a truly multilateral world which takes into account also the vital interests of other countries as opposed to a single one... probably Trump can pull it off and alienate even more US allies... this is already happening so he's doing a very good job indeed in that regard.
Some have asked the similar question why former US leaders haven't been subjected to the same types of trials for crimes against humanity as we've seen with former Balkan and African strongmen and their allies. The mendacity of the Bush administration in the run up to the toppling of Hussein surely qualifies.

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Post by xianjiro » March 4th, 2019, 3:02 am

St. Gloede wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 3:18 pm
For this to happen the US would either have to become a lot weaker in terms of their economic and militaristic reach, or genuinely cross the line in a way that the UN could not tolerate. It is hard to see what this would be though, as supporting genocide, illegal foreign invasions, supporting coups/backing coups, sponsoring terrorism, etc. is not enough. Unless they actually do something extremely aggressive towards a key western country, I don't see a way it would happen.

China or Russia placing sanctions on them, that is more possible however.
one can't forget the veto power in such a calculation - so sanctions against any of the BIG FIVE will always play out outside the UN

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Post by xianjiro » March 4th, 2019, 3:06 am

bal3x wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 3:56 pm
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March 1st, 2019, 3:54 pm
Yes, totally agree with you
Thanks. I'm really worried about the political climate in the US... I think some of the guys don't know what they're actually doing... this is indeed scary.
You're not alone - reading the US Politics thread should convince one that most who contribute are also worried. Basically, everyone is worried who is paying attention unless they are Shithole acolytes - and clearly we have one in our midst (an enemy within! fifth columnist! :guns: )

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Post by Cippenham » March 4th, 2019, 5:26 am

I am not unaware Trump has massive character faults. The whole system that gave the choice last time is at fault certainly. This does not mean a number of his policies have not worked because they have.

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Post by St. Gloede » March 4th, 2019, 7:17 am

xianjiro wrote:
March 4th, 2019, 3:02 am
St. Gloede wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 3:18 pm
For this to happen the US would either have to become a lot weaker in terms of their economic and militaristic reach, or genuinely cross the line in a way that the UN could not tolerate. It is hard to see what this would be though, as supporting genocide, illegal foreign invasions, supporting coups/backing coups, sponsoring terrorism, etc. is not enough. Unless they actually do something extremely aggressive towards a key western country, I don't see a way it would happen.

China or Russia placing sanctions on them, that is more possible however.
one can't forget the veto power in such a calculation - so sanctions against any of the BIG FIVE will always play out outside the UN
Good point!

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Post by bal3x » March 4th, 2019, 12:04 pm

xianjiro wrote:
March 4th, 2019, 3:00 am
bal3x wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 3:11 pm
Grunge Rock & Ally McBeal wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 5:34 am
At what point should the international community put sanctions on the US for its imperialist aggression?
This is actually a very good question... time will tell, but already the US plans in a number of places are falling apart due to China, Russia and a few others so things are not as easy for them as it was 20 years ago. The question is when the rest of the wold will open their eyes and join in to establish a truly multilateral world which takes into account also the vital interests of other countries as opposed to a single one... probably Trump can pull it off and alienate even more US allies... this is already happening so he's doing a very good job indeed in that regard.
Some have asked the similar question why former US leaders haven't been subjected to the same types of trials for crimes against humanity as we've seen with former Balkan and African strongmen and their allies. The mendacity of the Bush administration in the run up to the toppling of Hussein surely qualifies.
Yeah, if there was any true justice Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Blair would be at the Hague alongside Milosevic, but it's not happening, the guys are still "consulting" others...

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Post by bal3x » March 4th, 2019, 12:12 pm

xianjiro wrote:
March 4th, 2019, 3:06 am
bal3x wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 3:56 pm
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March 1st, 2019, 3:54 pm
Yes, totally agree with you
Thanks. I'm really worried about the political climate in the US... I think some of the guys don't know what they're actually doing... this is indeed scary.
You're not alone - reading the US Politics thread should convince one that most who contribute are also worried. Basically, everyone is worried who is paying attention unless they are Shithole acolytes - and clearly we have one in our midst (an enemy within! fifth columnist! :guns: )
What is truly appalling is the level of leadership, - I mean look at who's at the helm these days, there's basically either lunatics or dictators or both... some of these people are clearly not qualified to govern a small village yet they're heads of large countries. I recall decades ago there were at least people with leadership qualities, when someone like Putin actually looks head and shoulders above them something is clearly very wrong,,, this is very sad state of affairs, the West is going through a very serious political crisis it seems and things are not improving, the right/left-wing populists are even worse...

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Post by OldAle1 » March 4th, 2019, 3:40 pm

bal3x wrote:
March 4th, 2019, 12:12 pm
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March 4th, 2019, 3:06 am
bal3x wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 3:56 pm


Thanks. I'm really worried about the political climate in the US... I think some of the guys don't know what they're actually doing... this is indeed scary.
You're not alone - reading the US Politics thread should convince one that most who contribute are also worried. Basically, everyone is worried who is paying attention unless they are Shithole acolytes - and clearly we have one in our midst (an enemy within! fifth columnist! :guns: )
What is truly appalling is the level of leadership, - I mean look at who's at the helm these days, there's basically either lunatics or dictators or both... some of these people are clearly not qualified to govern a small village yet they're heads of large countries. I recall decades ago there were at least people with leadership qualities, when someone like Putin actually looks head and shoulders above them something is clearly very wrong,,, this is very sad state of affairs, the West is going through a very serious political crisis it seems and things are not improving, the right/left-wing populists are even worse...
Speaking only for the USA - some of this may or may not apply in other countries - I think it very much comes down to lack of education on the part of voters, coupled with (in the case of Trump particularly) celebrity worship. In the old days when people relied on newspapers and TV anchorpersons for their news, they certainly got limited and distorted perspectives that were all filtered through just one demographic - middle-aged to older white men - but there was real reporting and at least some internal criticism and editing involved, and it was usually fairly reliable within that limited perspective at least. Since the rise of Faux News and the Internet these rules no longer apply - and Americans on the right have turned ever more inward, ever more away from the rest of the world and the ideas inherent in continuing and thriving liberal democracies, i.e. the marketplace of IDEAS and not just capital, flourishing and culturally diverse cities and universities, an exchange of knowledge and ideas across an ever-shrinking globe, etc. And the Republican Party has managed to exploit this disenfranchisement from modernity, and the end result is a Famous Guy who says All the Right Things, Trump - the only kind of candidate the Rep base can actually get excited about anymore, since few of them understand basic economics or foreign policy, or pay much attention to politics in general. And unfortunately too large a percentage of the populace seems unable or unwilling to pierce the veil of ignorance and to see that he's an autocrat, and has no interest in any of his voters except insofar as they will help him maintain power - and the system is set up such that educating and informing them is nearly impossible.

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Post by bal3x » March 4th, 2019, 3:49 pm

@OldAle1 - thanks for the input. You're certainly correct in mentioning education in this regard. I do know the public education has been degrading in a number of countries over the past few decades, however, one would assume the people graduating from top universities would have adequate skills and expertise... yet strangely enough this does not seem to be the case... I don't quite have the answer to this since someone like Bush went to Yale/Harvard... I guess Trump has not attended any fancy schools, never heard of Wharton...

And indeed as far as voters are concerned it seems that the less educated conservative rural population is in fact more active in participating in the elections than the folks in the cities. This is a trend that has been observed in many occasions e.g. Trump, Brexit, Erdogan etc..

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Post by Knaldskalle » March 4th, 2019, 3:59 pm

OldAle1 wrote:
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few of them understand basic economics or foreign policy, or pay much attention to politics in general.
The president is included in that group. SAD!
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Post by RBG » March 4th, 2019, 4:04 pm

Bush went to yale on a legacy. A lot of rich dumb people get fancy degrees this way. Not Obama ofc. Or Bill Clinton, who came from poor people
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Post by OldAle1 » March 4th, 2019, 4:19 pm

What RBG said. And Wharton is a fancy school, but it's just a business school so unless you know/care about those there's no reason to have heard of it. I was only dimly aware of it before Trump came along.

I went to a fancy school myself - a midwestern fancy school, but still a fancy school, very expensive, pretty elite at the time I went - top 5 school in the country for music and business at the time, and the alma mater of such luminaries as Mr. Cold Dead Hands, Chuck Heston. And Stephen Colbert, who I think I might have known slightly - he was I think in the same Dungeons & Dragons club I was in. I also knew several rich kids (I wasn't one - scholarship, though I lost it after my first year for poor grades), one of whom was in his 7th year as an undergraduate. He wasn't actually an idiot but he was lazy and a drunk and a cokehead - but his father was super-rich and would rather keep the kid in school where he was less embarrassing I suppose than he would be as a bank VP. Basically if you were smart OR worked hard OR were very rich you'd get through fine. I was none of those so of course I did quite poorly. But an idiot like DJT or GWB would probably have come out cum laude or better as long as daddy wanted to pay for it. Capitalism overrules education any day of the week.

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Post by RBG » March 4th, 2019, 4:28 pm

Yet trump continues to imply Obama got in on some affirmative action program :rolleyes:
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Post by Knaldskalle » March 4th, 2019, 4:28 pm

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Post by OldAle1 » March 4th, 2019, 4:38 pm

THE FIGHTING WILDCATS! Yeah.

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Post by OldAle1 » March 4th, 2019, 4:42 pm

RBG wrote:
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Yet trump continues to imply Obama got in on some affirmative action program :rolleyes:
Even if he did - and I never cared enough to look into any of the "controversies" around BO, maybe because he was so obviously smarter and more capable than his predecessor - it's just another case of the conservatives making a boogieman out of "affirmative action" when somehow nobody has managed to make dirty words out of "legacy" or "nepotism". Amazing how easy it it for them to convince a broad spectrum of Americans that giving people a leg up because they are from a disadvantaged community is much, much worse for the country than further calcifying the power of the super-rich by allowing dim bulbs like Trump and GW Bush places at the adult's table.

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Post by RBG » March 4th, 2019, 4:46 pm

Exactly

Trump was born on 3rd and thinks he hit a home run

And now he's threatening an executive order to ensure 'free speech' on campuses. Next they'll be teaching creationism. Can't have these loser teachers indoctrinating our kids!

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Post by bal3x » March 4th, 2019, 7:38 pm

RBG wrote:
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Bush went to yale on a legacy. A lot of rich dumb people get fancy degrees this way. Not Obama ofc. Or Bill Clinton, who came from poor people
Yeah, not surprising... really sickening though that the rich guys get to *buy* the degrees whereas the poor get the shaft... oh well, this has always been a problem, no wonder then that we get dumb people even in the highest positions.

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Post by xianjiro » March 5th, 2019, 12:57 am

bal3x wrote:
March 4th, 2019, 3:49 pm
@OldAle1 - thanks for the input. You're certainly correct in mentioning education in this regard. I do know the public education has been degrading in a number of countries over the past few decades, however, one would assume the people graduating from top universities would have adequate skills and expertise... yet strangely enough this does not seem to be the case... I don't quite have the answer to this since someone like Bush went to Yale/Harvard... I guess Trump has not attended any fancy schools, never heard of Wharton...

And indeed as far as voters are concerned it seems that the less educated conservative rural population is in fact more active in participating in the elections than the folks in the cities. This is a trend that has been observed in many occasions e.g. Trump, Brexit, Erdogan etc..
Please don't confuse having a degree with being educated or being able to think critically. Like that ancient beer guy, I can only speak to the US education system at present, but clearly the demand of consumers (parents for K-8 and young people thereafter) is to emerge from such a system prepared to enter the workforce. Gone are the days of Dewey's education (good citizens) and only a few actively seek out a liberal arts education in the classical tradition. The emphasis is completely on "what job will I be able to get." Business has shifted the cost of training the workforce to the individual.

So news consumers who don't think critically abound and happily comply with click bait and then parrot that same BS ad nauseum online (FB, Twitter, Snapchat, here, etc). And it's probably been discussed as part of the fallout from the 2016 & Brexit election fiascoes that people are more likely to 'believe' or 'trust' something that gets forwarded to them on social media than what they read in NYT, WaPo, the Independent, or the Times (etc - credible news sources that actually maintain some level of journalistic integrity and rigor). So, an outlandish bit like "Clinton Foundation uses pizza parlor for child sex ring", when shared by a trusted pastor and friends becomes believable. If all these people I trust believe it, there must be something to it, right?

Yes, I think there was a time when a lot of the population was more awake that people (in general) are today. I'm not exactly sure when that was, because I know when I became politically aware in the 80s, it would have been easy to make these same arguments. It feels like things are worse today and they probably are, but I'm not sure "the public" is really that much different. Back then, apathy was blamed. And of course TV was rooting the brains of the public.

Maybe what's changed is the internal controls that would have weeded out shithole candidates in past eras are no longer functioning the way they used to. After all, that's what grassroots democracy is all about - power to the people. The people selected their candidates (in some theory) and voted for Brexit. "The people" also voted for a raft of others, including Hitler. Unfortunately voters' remorse is a bitch after something like WWII.

Still wondering how this era compares to a century ago - I mean really compares as opposed to how it's been digested through history books. Are people more or less informed? Better or worse critical thinkers? More or less likely to believe the latest rumor? We've only got six more years until the centennial of the Scopes Monkey Trial after all. And brilliant voters back then also supported prohibition.

That's not to say we shouldn't be critical of the present and the mistakes we are making collectively. I'm just not sure how much better or worse things are in the grander scheme. I also don't believe it's going to improve much in the next decade.

On the contrary, we're probably heading into another hedonistic period like the Roaring Twenties. When it becomes undeniable that the climate is headed into chaotic collapse and nothing short of a return to Paleo living or technological revolution will reverse that trend, then people will say "WTF, it's all going to shit so why shouldn't I ENJOY myself?"

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Post by xianjiro » March 5th, 2019, 8:03 am

Emmanuel Macron calls for 'EU renaissance' ahead of polls

lousy headline considering the topic (proposed changes to the EU's structure to counter Eurosceptics), but I find it intriguing and hopeful that someone's at least stepping up to the plate even as things are falling apart at home - maybe the two are more related than I've previously thought?

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Post by bal3x » March 5th, 2019, 11:44 am

Good points, xianjiro. Critical thinking is indeed key and I'm appalled to learn that social media has become the primary source for news for many people. This means they are not filtering the content, they are not hearing the arguments of others, they just follow something that someone is posting having their agenda. That said, there's a clear problem of too much information, I was reading this interesting article here:

https://theintercept.com/2019/03/03/rev ... tin-gurri/
If the president asked how his policies were playing in, say, France, all you needed to do was consult two newspapers for your answer. But around the turn of the millennium, the information environment suddenly went haywire. A tsunami of information arose, in volumes unprecedented in human experience.
No wonder people are getting confused, the sheer volume of information is huge and it's becoming increasingly difficult to understand what's actually going on since even many of the credible sources have lost credibility and are becoming propaganda outlets with specific agendas.

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Post by Cippenham » March 6th, 2019, 6:04 am

Macron needs to worry about his own country, and not concern himself with how the EUSSR is doing and should resign really as he is completely now out of touch with his own people.

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Post by matthewscott8 » March 6th, 2019, 1:24 pm

bal3x wrote:
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This is actually a very good question... time will tell, but already the US plans in a number of places are falling apart due to China, Russia and a few others so things are not as easy for them as it was 20 years ago. The question is when the rest of the world will open their eyes and join in to establish a truly multilateral world which takes into account also the vital interests of other countries as opposed to a single one... probably Trump can pull it off and alienate even more US allies... this is already happening so he's doing a very good job indeed in that regard.
Some have asked the similar question why former US leaders haven't been subjected to the same types of trials for crimes against humanity as we've seen with former Balkan and African strongmen and their allies. The mendacity of the Bush administration in the run up to the toppling of Hussein surely qualifies.
Yeah, if there was any true justice Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Blair would be at the Hague alongside Milosevic, but it's not happening, the guys are still "consulting" others...
At least 5 people have tried to make a citizen's arrest on Blair now, all have failed. I haven't understood why he's not had to go to a police station. He has a team of bodyguards that stop it happening, but I don't know what his legal grounds are.

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Post by Gershwin » March 6th, 2019, 11:09 pm

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Macron needs to worry about his own country, and not concern himself with how the EUSSR is doing and should resign really as he is completely now out of touch with his own people.
Why "EUSSR"? Why not USEU? I don't see a big bully like Russia simply forcing all countries to join the union, do you?

And why do you think Macron is out of touch with his own people? Who are his own people? Only people who think like you, or also people who think like me/him?

All this shallow rhetorics of yours about political issues would make me consider blocking you, if I weren't convinced it's good to know what extremely one-sided opinions some people have. But you should really try to back your opinions by arguments now and then.
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Post by bal3x » March 6th, 2019, 11:59 pm

matthewscott8 wrote:
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Some have asked the similar question why former US leaders haven't been subjected to the same types of trials for crimes against humanity as we've seen with former Balkan and African strongmen and their allies. The mendacity of the Bush administration in the run up to the toppling of Hussein surely qualifies.
Yeah, if there was any true justice Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Blair would be at the Hague alongside Milosevic, but it's not happening, the guys are still "consulting" others...
At least 5 people have tried to make a citizen's arrest on Blair now, all have failed. I haven't understood why he's not had to go to a police station. He has a team of bodyguards that stop it happening, but I don't know what his legal grounds are.
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Post by bal3x » March 7th, 2019, 12:03 am

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Macron needs to worry about his own country, and not concern himself with how the EUSSR is doing and should resign really as he is completely now out of touch with his own people.
Why "EUSSR"? Why not USEU? I don't see a big bully like Russia simply forcing all countries to join the union, do you?

And why do you think Macron is out of touch with his own people? Who are his own people? Only people who think like you, or also people who think like me/him?

All this shallow rhetorics of yours about political issues would make me consider blocking you, if I weren't convinced it's good to know what extremely one-sided opinions some people have. But you should really try to back your opinions by arguments now and then.
While Cipp's rhetorics are indeed shallow I have to agree that Macron is in fact really out of touch since he does NOT understand the problems of the poorer people, this is a Rothschild investment banker, there's a reason why these people are on the streets, problems are piling up and Macron does not have the leadership qualities to tackle them, IMO this is the main problem. This guy can hardly solve France's problems let alone EU's...

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Post by xianjiro » March 7th, 2019, 2:56 am

bal3x wrote:
March 6th, 2019, 11:59 pm
matthewscott8 wrote:
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Yeah, if there was any true justice Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Blair would be at the Hague alongside Milosevic, but it's not happening, the guys are still "consulting" others...
At least 5 people have tried to make a citizen's arrest on Blair now, all have failed. I haven't understood why he's not had to go to a police station. He has a team of bodyguards that stop it happening, but I don't know what his legal grounds are.
You know the saying - all animals are equal, but some are more equal than the others...
thought about this conversation when I saw this today - please excuse if you've already seen it (and I know this was mentioned in USPolitics) Trump: Civilians killed in intelligence ops to go unreported

Not sure I buy the 'action eliminates “superfluous” reporting requirements that don’t “improve government transparency, but rather distract our intelligence professionals from their primary mission.” ' argument. I will accept that they don't want it known. Pretty disgusting move, but this believe there were similar moves under at least one previous Republican't administration, so it's exactly 'unpresidented'.

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Post by RBG » March 7th, 2019, 3:00 am

In the first 18 mos of Trump's presidency, the US carried out 176 strikes in Yemen, compared to 154 during Obama's entire 8 yrs in office.

a number of them killed children although i don't remember any huge outcry a la benghazi. meanwhile...



i'm sure trump has taken note of this development...
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Post by Cippenham » March 7th, 2019, 4:46 am

Gershwin wrote:
March 6th, 2019, 11:09 pm
Cippenham wrote:
March 6th, 2019, 6:04 am
Macron needs to worry about his own country, and not concern himself with how the EUSSR is doing and should resign really as he is completely now out of touch with his own people.
Why "EUSSR"? Why not USEU? I don't see a big bully like Russia simply forcing all countries to join the union, do you?

And why do you think Macron is out of touch with his own people? Who are his own people? Only people who think like you, or also people who think like me/him?

All this shallow rhetorics of yours about political issues would make me consider blocking you, if I weren't convinced it's good to know what extremely one-sided opinions some people have. But you should really try to back your opinions by arguments now and then.
I would look at opinion polls, he has been really struggling on them and has massive yellow vest protests , this is clear evidence, as for the EU the main problem is the lack of democracy, forcing countries to follow certain policies and regulations whilst allowing other countries not to have to bother with them. I have some examples I personally know about that in France they don’t follow a lot of regulations but in Britain every unnecessary regulation is enforced by over zealous regulators, again I know examples. One cheese maker had to get a lot of labels redone as they didn’t have some wording in the right place, in other countries like France that wouldn’t happen. EU regulations are just for the British as one French farmer told a British visitor.

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Post by bal3x » March 7th, 2019, 12:19 pm

xianjiro wrote:
March 7th, 2019, 2:56 am
bal3x wrote:
March 6th, 2019, 11:59 pm
matthewscott8 wrote:
March 6th, 2019, 1:24 pm
At least 5 people have tried to make a citizen's arrest on Blair now, all have failed. I haven't understood why he's not had to go to a police station. He has a team of bodyguards that stop it happening, but I don't know what his legal grounds are.
You know the saying - all animals are equal, but some are more equal than the others...
thought about this conversation when I saw this today - please excuse if you've already seen it (and I know this was mentioned in USPolitics) Trump: Civilians killed in intelligence ops to go unreported

Not sure I buy the 'action eliminates “superfluous” reporting requirements that don’t “improve government transparency, but rather distract our intelligence professionals from their primary mission.” ' argument. I will accept that they don't want it known. Pretty disgusting move, but this believe there were similar moves under at least one previous Republican't administration, so it's exactly 'unpresidented'.
This is indeed sickening, why are the people not revolting? Most are not informed or just don't give a damn. glued to their FB. super bowl and Netflix...

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