iCM Forum's Favourite Documentaries 2019 (Results)

[joachimt]

iCM Forum's Favourite Documentaries



Nominations-thread

2015:
results thread
top 200 on iCM

Participants: 53Show

72allinncallme (unranked20)
albajos
allisoncm
bal3x
beasterne
blocho (unranked)
Caracortada (unranked50)
Carmel1379
Cinepolis
Cocoa
Coryn
Fergenaprido
frbrown
Gorro
gromit82
GruesomeTwosome
hurluberlu
insomnius
jeff_v
Jimi Antiloop
jvv (unranked)
klaus78
Lammetje
Lonewolf2003
Mate_cosido
mathiasa
maxwelldeux (unranked89)
Melvelet (unranked27)
mightysparks
monclivie (unranked10)
Mothravka
nimimerkillinen
OldAle1 (unranked50)
Onderhond
Opio
outdoorcats
PeacefulAnarchy (unranked105)
Perception de Ambiguity
rnilsson19
sacmersault
sebby
Smoover
sol
St. Gloede
sushantv10
TajSamKojiJesam
Teproc (unranked)
tourdesb
Traveller
TraverseTown
Wonderful Rainbow
XxXApathy420XxX
zuma

Top 200 on IMDb
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Top 200 on iCM

[nimimerkillinen]

[joachimt]

#200 (#new) Nobody's Business (1996, Alan Berliner), 159.02 points, 86 checks, 0 official lists, 3 votes (IMDb)

3 votersShow

albajos (#36)
Opio (#57)
sebby (#7)

#199 (#new) The End of Time (2012, Peter Mettler), 159.12 points, 36 checks, 0 official lists, 2 votes (IMDb)

2 votersShow

Carmel1379 (#14)
Perception de Ambiguity (#8)

#198 (#new) Salut les Cubains (1971, Agnès Varda), 159.74 points, 134 checks, 0 official lists, 3 votes (IMDb)

3 votersShow

allisoncm (#5)
bal3x (#102)
jvv (unranked)

[joachimt]

#197 (#new) Les quatre soeurs (2018, ), 160.85 points, 7 checks, 1 official lists, 2 votes (IMDb)

2 votersShow

hurluberlu (#13)
Smoover (#8)

#196 (-24, #172) Antonio Gaudí (1984, Hiroshi Teshigahara), 160.92 points, 496 checks, 1 official lists, 4 votes (IMDb)

4 votersShow

bal3x (#69)
Opio (#10)
Perception de Ambiguity (#286)
sebby (#24)

#195 (#new) The Open Road (1926, Claude Friese-Greene), 161.78 points, 73 checks, 1 official lists, 5 votes (IMDb)

5 votersShow

insomnius (#95)
rnilsson19 (#19)
St. Gloede (#50)
Wonderful Rainbow (#42)
XxXApathy420XxX (#88)

[sol]

#196 (-24, #172) Antonio Gaudí (1984, Hiroshi Teshigahara), 160.92 points, 496 checks, 1 official lists, 4 votes (IMDb)

4 votersShow

bal3x (#69)
Opio (#10)
Perception de Ambiguity (#286)
sebby (#24)

Uh-oh. Something's wrong, Joachim. I listed this film at #23 on my ballot. What happened?

[joachimt]

#196 (-24, #172) Antonio Gaudí (1984, Hiroshi Teshigahara), 160.92 points, 496 checks, 1 official lists, 4 votes (IMDb)

4 votersShow

bal3x (#69)
Opio (#10)
Perception de Ambiguity (#286)
sebby (#24)

Uh-oh. Something's wrong, Joachim. I listed this film at #23 on my ballot. What happened?

The export-file of your list is empty.
There's nothing wrong with your list. Something went wrong with the list downloader script, but apparently he didn't tell me. Now I have to do a lot of stuff from scratch. New results tomorrow, guys.......

[joachimt]

Apparently the list downloader didn't download any iCM lists correctly, so I have to do download them manually.

[Onderhond]

Man, I would've been so bummed if my list didn't make it.

[joachimt]

Because of this delay, there's still time if someone wants to convince me Decasia is a documentary, because I had removed it from the list I had started.

[Wonderful Rainbow]

Because of this delay, there's still time if someone wants to convince me Decasia is a documentary, because I had removed it from the list I had started.

My best answer would be that it shows the decaying of the film and the original content is secondary. Thus the film documents the deterioration and points out how it the silent times they hadn't figured out that everything should be preserved. Though I saw it years ago and might be mistaken.

[joachimt]

Because of this delay, there's still time if someone wants to convince me Decasia is a documentary, because I had removed it from the list I had started.

My best answer would be that it shows the decaying of the film and the original content is secondary. Thus the film documents the deterioration and points out how it the silent times they hadn't figured out that everything should be preserved. Though I saw it years ago and might be mistaken.

Review on the Guardian to refresh your memory if you want:
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2003/sep/26/art
That review doesn't convince me either.

Btw, it was #78 on the previous edition of our docu-list.

[Wonderful Rainbow]

Well, it just as Homo Sapiens shows a montage of ruins, just different ones.

[sol]

Apparently the list downloader didn't download any iCM lists correctly, so I have to do download them manually.

There's nothing wrong with your list. Something went wrong with the list downloader script, but apparently he didn't tell me. Now I have to do a lot of stuff from scratch. New results tomorrow, guys.......

Yeah, no rush; don't sweat it. I'm just glad that it wasn't just me. It actually makes sense that other lists were affected too; I was surprised that a film with only two votes (and neither of them top 5 votes) seemed to have enough points to make the cut. The screencap does intrigue me though.

[zuma]

Joachimt, it would be nice if we had a list of the films that were excluded/removed. Just for reference.

[72allinncallme]

Joachimt, it would be nice if we had a list of the films that were excluded/removed. Just for reference.

+1

[joachimt]

Joachimt, it would be nice if we had a list of the films that were excluded/removed. Just for reference.

Decasia was the only one I initially removed after nobody replied to my comment about it on the nomination-thread. Maybe nobody reads that topic.
I have personal doubts about other, if I would have made a list myself, but Decasia was the only one about which I scratched my head.

Maybe I should just leave everything as it is. No 2 vote movies are left, so that make the chance a lot smaller that borderline cases will enter the list. There is more consensus this way. After the new download of the iCM lists some others entered the list including an experimental film and a concert film. The experimental film might be called a documentary, so I guess I shouldn't use my veto. The concert film also includes some interviews (haven't seen it, only read about it), so I guess I have to accept that one as well. It's not as bad as the musical list.

[zuma]

Joachimt, it would be nice if we had a list of the films that were excluded/removed. Just for reference.

Decasia was the only one I initially removed after nobody replied to my comment about it on the nomination-thread. Maybe nobody reads that topic.
I have personal doubts about other, if I would have made a list myself, but Decasia was the only one about which I scratched my head.

Maybe I should just leave everything as it is. No 2 vote movies are left, so that make the chance a lot smaller that borderline cases will enter the list. There is more consensus this way. After the new download of the iCM lists some others entered the list including an experimental film and a concert film. The experimental film might be called a documentary, so I guess I shouldn't use my veto. The concert film also includes some interviews (haven't seen it, only read about it), so I guess I have to accept that one as well. It's not as bad as the musical list.

Although I have it high in my list I am fine with whatever you decide.

I am hoping this level of inquiry will continue in the future for our other lists. For example, it would be nice to see a best horror list without the Abbott and Costello comedy and the dancing skeleton short.

[joachimt]

I'll leave it on. It's just one title. I just hope people don't vote for it, just because it has a documentary-tag on IMDb, but because they really think it has some documentary-value.

[72allinncallme]

I’m looking forward to the (real) results

[zuma]

I'll leave it on. It's just one title. I just hope people don't vote for it, just because it has a documentary-tag on IMDb, but because they really think it has some documentary-value.

To be honest I added things with a documentary tag from my favourites list. I explicitly cut out a few that were music, but did not think about this particular film.

[joachimt]

I'll leave it on. It's just one title. I just hope people don't vote for it, just because it has a documentary-tag on IMDb, but because they really think it has some documentary-value.

To be honest I added things with a documentary tag from my favourites list. I explicitly cut out a few that were music, but did not think about this particular film.

I don't blame you. There are other voters as well. Last time it was in the top 100, so quite a few people supported it back then as well.

[joachimt]

So here we go again......



#200 (-14, #186) Time Indefinite (1993, Ross McElwee), 223.15 points, 94 checks, 2 official lists, 5 votes (IMDb)

5 votersShow

allisoncm (#110)
mathiasa (#9)
Opio (#11)
sebby (#159)
zuma (#31)

#199 (#new) Nathan for You: Finding Frances (2017, Nathan Fielder), 223.35 points, 30 checks, 0 official lists, 5 votes (IMDb)

5 votersShow

beasterne (#2)
nimimerkillinen (#159)
Perception de Ambiguity (#212)
sebby (#66)
TraverseTown (#1)

#198 (-70, #128) Jiro Dreams of Sushi (2011, David Gelb), 223.97 points, 4166 checks, 0 official lists, 6 votes (IMDb)

6 votersShow

beasterne (#36)
jvv (unranked)
nimimerkillinen (#151)
OldAle1 (unranked>50)
sebby (#71)
Wonderful Rainbow (#8)

[maxwelldeux]

Well hell. Three films in, and I've already got two disappointing non-votes. I didn't vote individual episodes, otherwise Nathan for You would have been on my list. And Jiro dreams of Sushi would have been on my list if I would have had a rating for it. Exciting start!

[joachimt]

#197 (#new) Food, Inc. (2008, Robert Kenner), 224.23 points, 6626 checks, 0 official lists, 4 votes (IMDb)

4 votersShow

Cocoa (#8)
Fergenaprido (#5)
Gorro (#79)
Smoover (#51)

#196 (-91, #105) 49 Up (2005, Michael Apted, Paul Almond), 224.75 points, 1251 checks, 4 official lists, 8 votes (IMDb)

8 votersShow

72allinncallme (unranked>20)
Gorro (#80)
Jimi Antiloop (#192)
Lonewolf2003 (#41)
nimimerkillinen (#22)
sebby (#191)
sol (#83)
sushantv10 (#22)

#195 (#new) Pink Floyd: Live at Pompeii (1972, Adrian Maben), 225.18 points, 3186 checks, 1 official lists, 3 votes (IMDb)

3 votersShow

bal3x (#4)
Smoover (#31)
Teproc (unranked)

[joachimt]

I haven't seen Pink Floyd: Live at Pompeii, but I judged it on the IMDb-synopsis: "The 80-minute version features studio footage from the recordings of Dark side of the Moon, with alternate versions of Us and them, On the run and Brain Damage, as well as interviews with the band."
So I guess it's more than a concert video?

[albajos]

Yes, I saw it two weeks ago. It's not even a concert as there is no audience. They're just playing a few songs in the ruins for some reason. But mostly it is about them being Pink Floyd.

A close comparion could be Sigur Rós: Heima

[Teproc]

I mean yes, but why would a concert video not qualify for this anyway ? What is it if not a documentary ?

[hurluberlu]

#197 (#new) Les quatre soeurs (2018, Claude Lanzmann), 160.85 points, 7 checks, 1 official lists, 2 votes (IMDb)

2 votersShow

hurluberlu (#13)
Smoover (#8)

Glad it got its moment of Glory !

[joachimt]

I mean yes, but why would a concert video not qualify for this anyway ? What is it if not a documentary ?

We've had that discussion. Let's not do it again.

[joachimt]

#194 (+2, #196) Le mystère Picasso (1956, Henri-Georges Clouzot), 225.61 points, 417 checks, 1 official lists, 5 votes (IMDb)

5 votersShow

Opio (#51)
sebby (#78)
sol (#8)
tourdesb (#11)
XxXApathy420XxX (#90)

#193 (#new) Path of Cessation (1974, Robert E. Fulton), 226.15 points, 20 checks, 1 official lists, 5 votes (IMDb)

5 votersShow

Carmel1379 (#113)
insomnius (#29)
Mothravka (#98)
Perception de Ambiguity (#3)
TajSamKojiJesam (#23)

#192 (-121, #71) Mein liebster Feind - Klaus Kinski (1999, Werner Herzog), 228.89 points, 1251 checks, 1 official lists, 7 votes (IMDb)

7 votersShow

mathiasa (#19)
Perception de Ambiguity (#316)
Smoover (#94)
sushantv10 (#44)
tourdesb (#54)
Traveller (#33)
TraverseTown (#44)

[Teproc]

I mean yes, but why would a concert video not qualify for this anyway ? What is it if not a documentary ?

We've had that discussion. Let's not do it again.

Sure. Where was that discussion though ? All I see in the nominations thread seems to already assume they're forbidden, so I guess it was some previous year ?

[joachimt]

I mean yes, but why would a concert video not qualify for this anyway ? What is it if not a documentary ?

We've had that discussion. Let's not do it again.

Sure. Where was that discussion though ? All I see in the nominations thread seems to already assume they're forbidden, so I guess it was some previous year ?

In the Future Polls thread. We discussed some rules there before starting the nominations.

[Teproc]

Thanks, I'll take a look at that (and will refrain from starting it up again here ).

[GruesomeTwosome]

Well hell. Three films in, and I've already got two disappointing non-votes. I didn't vote individual episodes, otherwise Nathan for You would have been on my list. And Jiro dreams of Sushi would have been on my list if I would have had a rating for it. Exciting start!

Ha, I didn't even think to include that Nathan for You series finale when putting together my list, I guess I never thought of it as fitting the "documentary" category, but I suppose it does. Reflecting back on it, and especially when separating it from the rest of the Nathan for You episodes, it sort of is its own mini-documentary. I loved it, for what it's worth.

[joachimt]

#191 (#new) Whores' Glory (2011, Michael Glawogger), 229.13 points, 420 checks, 1 official lists, 5 votes (IMDb)

5 votersShow

Caracortada (unranked>50)
Jimi Antiloop (#18)
Melvelet (#12)
Perception de Ambiguity (#27)
sebby (#84)

#190 (#new) Shirkers (2018, Sandi Tan), 229.17 points, 241 checks, 0 official lists, 3 votes (IMDb)

3 votersShow

outdoorcats (#26)
Teproc (unranked)
TraverseTown (#5)

#189 (#new) On the Bowery (1956, Lionel Rogosin), 229.19 points, 210 checks, 4 official lists, 6 votes (IMDb)

6 votersShow

Mothravka (#75)
Perception de Ambiguity (#16)
rnilsson19 (#9)
sebby (#205)
TajSamKojiJesam (#52)
zuma (#60)

[joachimt]

#188 (+4, #192) Buena Vista Social Club (1999, Wim Wenders), 233.2 points, 1559 checks, 2 official lists, 7 votes (IMDb)

7 votersShow

bal3x (#38)
Caracortada (#35)
gromit82 (#11)
hurluberlu (#90)
jeff_v (#138)
OldAle1 (unranked>50)
Traveller (#45)

#187 (#new) La société du spectacle (1974, Guy Debord), 233.32 points, 82 checks, 0 official lists, 3 votes (IMDb)

3 votersShow

Perception de Ambiguity (#2)
St. Gloede (#43)
Traveller (#2)

#186 (-19, #167) 56 Up (2012, Michael Apted, Paul Almond), 234.51 points, 667 checks, 2 official lists, 9 votes (IMDb)

9 votersShow

72allinncallme (unranked>20)
allisoncm (#66)
Gorro (#90)
Jimi Antiloop (#191)
Lonewolf2003 (#39)
nimimerkillinen (#23)
PeacefulAnarchy (unranked>105)
sebby (#208)
sushantv10 (#23)

[albajos]

2/8 done already. 186:, 56, 196: 49

[zuma]

I love the Up series and would have put it on my list, but could not be bothered to assign a spot for each and rank them.

Seemed like too much hassle.

[blocho]

Food Inc is 197!

I've seen it, enjoyed it, didn't vote for it. But I've met Bob Kenner through a friend of a friend. Maybe I should let him know he made the list.

[blocho]

By the way, if anyone is planning on going to the Santa Barbara film festival next weekend, my mother's doc is playing there. It's called "Afterward"