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Post by Lakigigar » January 15th, 2019, 3:35 pm

'A tragic moment': thousands gather across Poland to mourn Gdańsk mayor

Yesterday evening, a progressive liberal icon got murdered by a 27-year men who took reveng, because he was imprisoned because of him (and it was not justified), but political insiders have said that this partly happened because the political climate is polarizing. The government, media and justice system is all right-wing conservative, and they have accused that mayor of corruption and a lot of other things, which might have encouraged that person to kill him on stage of a charity action.

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Poland is very right-wing and both the right-wing authoritarian conservative party and the more liberal but still right-wing party are the only two serious parties yet in the Polish parliamentary system. All other parties are basically irrelevant. The third biggest party is KUKIZ party (which is a joke party, literally).
Kukiz'15 is a political movement in Poland led by punk rock musician turned politician Paweł Kukiz. It is an association, which is not registered as a political party, and has coordinated with the far-right National Movement party.[7][8] It has been described as "anti-establishment",[9] as a "broad coalition [lacking] programmatic coherence",[10][11][12] as right-wing[7][8] and far-right.[4][5][6]
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Eliminating the monopoly of political parties in parliament ("destroying particracy")[7][13]
Electoral reform from a proportional representation to first past the post[14]
Separation of government, courts and parliament[15]
Protection of civic liberties
Introduction of obligatory referendums
The movement is particularly popular among young people: Kukiz won 42% among voters aged 18 to 29 in the 2015 presidential election.

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Post by Lakigigar » January 15th, 2019, 3:46 pm

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It's similar to many Eastern European countries where social democracy is almost extinct.

In Czech Republic, the populist big tent ANO party is the biggest, which is a catch-all centrist populist party and anti-immigration, and almost has 35% support. The second biggest party are the conservative liberals. The third biggest are the Czech Pirates (which are anti-establishment). The fourth biggest are the Communists of Moravia and Bohemia, which is strong in rural de-industrialized regions with people over 60 years, and weakest in Prague. There have been calls to ban the party, but they still have power in certain regions of Czech Republic, and have currently more political power than social democrats of Czech Republic.

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Post by Lakigigar » January 15th, 2019, 4:11 pm

Good article from the "fake news" finally, which i really liked because i'm interested in sociology. It's something i do a lot. Everytime i add a facebook friend, the first thing i do is to check their likes;.. If i want to see what someone's political preference is, or what they personality might be like, or how intellectual they are, i'll always check their likes, and make a detailed analysis based on their likes. And every person has their weaknesses, even if they don't like much or don't show them to strangers, i'll still be able to know a lot about the person, based on what they wear, how they look, or other social media accounts (instagram). Every person on the internet has their weaknesses, and no one has secrets to me (and yes, you can know who i am too, if you thoroughly want to find out because i have no secrets to anyone too).

But anyway, this is what likes are associated with the left, are neutral or right

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Green, Colour Cafe, Arts Centrum "Vooruit", Belgian stand-up comedian Wouter Deprez, Belgian rock band Balthazar, Radiohead, Charity organization Music For Life are all clearly associated with the left.

The fake news, Harry Potter, our Belgian Football National Team, stand up comedian Philippe Geubels, chocolate paste brand Nutella are associated with the center

While electromusic festival Tomorrowland, DJ's Dimitri Vegas & Like Mike, House of Rights Louvain, dancing for the elites Versuz, pants brand Tommy Hilfiger, Donald Trump, the Nationalists and the white identitarian group Shield & Friends are all associated with the right.

They also state that in America, the political world is so polarizing that you can clearly see two different worlds in which people from the right don't meet people from the left, and are separated from each other basically

I think it's weird EDM music and techno is associated with people who are right-wing while rock genres is associated with the left, just like arthouse movies are associated with left-wingers as well. Hence why this forum has so many left-wing people or liberal-mindeds on here.

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Post by Lakigigar » January 15th, 2019, 5:08 pm

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Number of likes on facebook, in a chart. The far-right had between 200k and 250k likes on 1 oct 2018. Now they have 315k likes. They had 88k likes in october 2017. Nationalist are second. Greens third. Liberals fourth, social democrats fifth, Christian Democrats barely fifth (they used to have more likes, but they bought them on an Indian like farm LOL, 15K likes were Indian). Communists are now last with 30k likes.

Far-right is leading (i complained about them advertising so hard... last year, well you can clearly see that many people suddenly liked the page because of their agressive advertising)

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Post by Cippenham » January 15th, 2019, 6:21 pm

They always report the loss in one period but never the massive ice increase over the last few years. It’s a lot more to do with natural reasons otherwise why the large increase in the last few years. Therefore the oscillations are due to natural reasons and nothing to do with man.. Why the big increase in recent years, must be natural reasons. Funny how dinosaurs lived in a period with 5 times our CO2 level and they had glaciation.

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Post by Lakigigar » January 15th, 2019, 8:04 pm

Cippenham wrote:
January 15th, 2019, 6:21 pm
They always report the loss in one period but never the massive ice increase over the last few years. It’s a lot more to do with natural reasons otherwise why the large increase in the last few years. Therefore the oscillations are due to natural reasons and nothing to do with man.. Why the big increase in recent years, must be natural reasons. Funny how dinosaurs lived in a period with 5 times our CO2 level and they had glaciation.
Dude, i've never read so much nonsense in three sentences.

The only dinosaurs that have experienced glaciation are modern birds and crocodiles. Antarctica had a temperate climate back than, and there was certainly no ice on the North Pole.

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Post by Lakigigar » January 16th, 2019, 2:19 pm

Minister congratulates girls who played truant!

GOD DAMN IT, you fucking liberal bitch... You're supposed to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, not to congratulate people who play truant because of YOUR TERRIBLE FAILING CLIMATE POLICIES. THEY PROTEST AGAINST YOUR POLICIES.

The liberals always act like they're pro-climate, and Trump's America is more climate-conscious than our liberal politicians. Our CO² emissions keep rising year after year. Now it is the time to act. Children have to be rebellious! Everyone needs to play truant tomorrow.

Hundreds of thousands of students will play truant tomorrow and will ask the liberal bitches to DO SOMETHING ABOUT OUR CLIMATE. Schools are of course not going to tolerate, and punish the children who will play truant tomorrow... It's going to be a disaster. I hope children will be extremely violent and rebellious tomorrow. I'm done protesting peacefully for the climate.

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Post by Lakigigar » January 16th, 2019, 2:38 pm

Well we all know how bad fascism was in the last century (and lead to the death of 60 million people), and authoritarian communism (how it did lead to 100 million deaths, because of mao and stalin and that creepy paul put guy), or the monarchism (Leopold II - whose crimes are being silenced a lot in the catholic educational system). But in a few hundred years, we will all remember how liberal policies lead to the death of 1 billion people, because all they care about is the 1% richest people and multinationals and how to satisfy their lobbies and how they're so corrupt. They've become so out of touch with the people. The liberal fake media, and the liberal fake politicians are the number 1 enemy we face right now. It's time to resist, to defend and to protect against the liberal elites. We need to form a broad population that takes back power to the working class, that finally cares about the climate, and priorities the middle class, small business owners and working class over the greedy elites, who will reform our constitution, who will construct a green new deal, who make healthcare and education a basic right (and not something you should earn), who are against slavery (40 hour week and poor minimum wages -> 30 hour work week and higher minimum wages), who punish real crimes because right now a speeding ticket is being punished harder than getting caught in a robbery), who reduce the authoritarian character of Europe. We need to be economically left-wing, while on social issues, we need to have a big tent, ranging from a lot of issues (who are socially very conservative), and others who are socially very liberal, but our common interests should unite us. We should act against the pro-US led liberal coalitions, blairites and macronistas. I can agree with tougher immigration laws and more national sovereignty as i simply don't care about them (and it keeps us united). We should be against globalization, liberalism and capitalism, and that's what should unite all working class, middle class, agrarians and small business owners.

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Post by Lakigigar » January 16th, 2019, 2:42 pm

in fact liberalism already did lead to the great depression, which indirectly caused the world war II, so the number of deaths caused by fascism where actually caused by laissez-faire politics, while communism was actually caused by Russian tsarism which is in fact also an example of monarchism. I mean communism would have never formed if people were done with tsarism, and fought against the great war and their tsar (which they should have done). In fact, we will not talk about the many deaths monarchs have caused, because their people starved to death but nobody talks about that. Communism, EVEN STALINISM was an improvement over the lives of russians in early 20th century and end of 19th century, a vast improvement. Communism have transformed a crippled nation that couldn't win a war against japan to defend against the nazi's and were the people who send the first man into space (while 21% was literate only 30 years before).

world war I was caused by elitists, and they were very harsh for germany (which did lead to revanchism there). Socialists didn't want the war... Communism got a big boost in Europe because of people who were against the war while social democrats back than supported the world war I. Many communist parties got founded around that time in Europe. So communism saw what danger was coming, and they were freedom fighters back than!

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the christmas truce proved that people didn't want the war, in fact they fraternized during christmas truce, while german and french liberal & capitalist elites encouraged each other to slaughter each other!

And world war I (and the balkan wars) have all caused a great amount of deaths. Even in the middle east, the refusal to RESPECT cultural boundaries, did lead to many wars and deaths, because of Sykes, Picot and Pétain who were terrible people, who should burn in hell forever. And terrorism is a consequence of the liberal elites not respecting boundaries. It's the prove that neoliberalism and neoconservatism and the media supporting those two ideologies are the true enemy of the people. It's why i refuse to support people like Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Emmanuel Macron, Tony Blair, Beto O'Rourke, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris and ... . It's why we need to show the media and the elites that will stay loyal to Bernie Sanders, Jeremy Corbyn, Richard Ojeda, M5S and if they don't choose them, we're going to abandon their parties.

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Post by Lakigigar » January 16th, 2019, 7:08 pm

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French-speaking students will play truant as well tomorrow.

This generation will have to be rebellious and violent, if we want to save the world. Playing along the rules, doesn't work! The past years - SADLY - have shown that, and past generations were violent as well, to acquire social rights. It's the only thing that works.

Kick the dirty liberals out who don't care about pollution and climate and only care about business and trade with the saudi's. They'll say anything and do nothing.


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Post by Lakigigar » January 17th, 2019, 1:12 pm

apparently the communist politicians joined them... :) they're the only ones that genuinely care about the climate, it's why i'm far-left too

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lol the "i'm sure that dinosaurs had time too". She's absolutely right!

They will now protest every thursday. Next action: next thursday! And most likely until the end of the school year!
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Post by Lakigigar » January 17th, 2019, 1:14 pm

And liberals, next time don't congratulate them. They're are protesting against your DISASTREOUS POLICIES. You are in power, you are in the government. I want to see action. I don't want to hear meaningful words. It's time for ACTION and clearly liberals can not be trusted with power.

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Post by Lakigigar » January 17th, 2019, 10:19 pm

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VIOLENCE used by the french liberal government! :o

Already 3000 injuries pff

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Post by Lakigigar » January 18th, 2019, 2:54 pm

THEY CALL IT THE CLIMATE REVOLUTION

Schoolchildren’s climate protests spread

Thousands of schoolchildren demonstrate for climate action in Brussels

12,500 play truant for the climate

The organisator has said she will do it until the federal election. Every THURSDAY tens of thousands will play truant and protest. I love it :banana: We want more people next thursday, and they're trying to create student protests (from high school / university) as well after they've finished their exams. I was already asked with the question to help organizing them, and i've said i'm willing to do it. Only a few people need to start / work on something, and if your idea gains momentum, it becomes a movement. That's how revolutions start!

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Post by Lakigigar » January 18th, 2019, 3:47 pm

Des milliers d'étudiants suisses se mobilisent contre l'inaction climatique translation: thousands of Swiss students mobilise against lack of action of climate

Switzerland follows. This goes internationally!!!

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Post by Lakigigar » January 18th, 2019, 3:54 pm

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Post by Lakigigar » January 18th, 2019, 4:04 pm

The movement is growing, we have the momentum, now this movement need to go internationally, students on high school / university need to join and we will continue our actions until may. Now it's the time to be REBELLIOUS. Now it's the time to influence the political debate, and make the main theme of the campaign of the GENERAL ELECTIONS: the climate.

Liberals and social democrats need to vote for the Greens. We don't want liberals. Greens need to win more than 20% in Flanders. We can do it!

AND OF COURSE THE FAKE LIBERAL MEDIA IS NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THEIR ACTIONS, LOL.

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Post by Lakigigar » January 19th, 2019, 6:44 pm

Oh lol right-wing troll armies accusing me of being a communist, and approving the famine in soviet union, while they follow their big leader Dries (who's a young fascist who quotes literally Oswald Mosley). I'm glad that i'm becoming too much of a threat for the far-right that they really have a need to send troll armies on me, but i feel honoured! And this in a facebook group that centers on my studies lol. But someone had askes students in our group to play truant on thursday and go to Brussels.

This was a part of the argument (it's in dutch), but they accuse me of being a leftist hatemonger, of accusing me to use propaganda speech and indoctrinating people LOL. And of approving a political party that supports Che Guevara. Well yes. And this forum has called me a nazi. Or a white supremacist. I just love it. i'm getting on everyone's nerves!

Well, we know one thing for sure, i won't vote for the far-right or the main right-wing party here in Flanders. Not at any time! And not for the center-right liberal party either unless they nominate a different party chairman.

But currently:
Marxists > Greens > Social Democrat > Minor Party (Pirates, Animal Party or even the Pro-Europe Volt) > Christian Democratic > Liberal > Nationalist > Far-right.

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Post by Lakigigar » January 19th, 2019, 7:00 pm

The Greens also just have said that they hope 2019 becomes the year of the Green and Yellow vest movement! Literally. And that they want a climate government (together with the liberals and macronistas tehe ). Isn't that kind of a contradiction?

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Post by Lakigigar » January 19th, 2019, 9:02 pm

I found some polls on the Belgian internet forum i talked about, and how i need to go always against the flow on that forum. But you can clearly see how i did swing against Clinton. On 22 july 2016, i still voted for Clinton in a poll (the poll was made on one on the last days the thread was there, and a new thread was opened).

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The second thread had more than 300 posts, and is famous because of all the pro-Trump posts (yes), and the Trump supporters claiming that he's going to win, and claiming that they've seen Trump signs in Washington state and that Trump will win that state (LOL), forgetting to mention it were most likely rural counties that they've seen who indeed vote Trump (most of the country votes republican, but the cities and suburban districts with many people in it keep Democrats competitive or make it safe D in some states).

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Here you can see how Trump is popular on a Belgian forum. I call Flanders (the dutch-speaking part of Belgium) similar to the northern part of Virginia and Maryland. It's filled with suburban regions. Brussels is similar to Washington D.C. (the D.C. of Europe) which supply us with jobs, and still Trump won a poll here.

You can see how i did swing to Trump. I'm not sure how it happened anymore.

I'm checking it. It happened probably during end of july, when she chose Tim Kaine. I called him an uninspirational neoliberal Bush-like Wall Street parasite who's against abortion, and said that you shouldn't believe anything from Clinton's campaign because she ignored representing progressives in her VP selection. Meanwhile I also said that Trump seems to have changed his views on LGBTQ rights and didn't attack them in a speech, and the wikileaks mails did leak than. And the GOP convention was around that time. Trump also surged in july in the polls.

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And here on 14 july i said this. I'll translate it: "Mike Pence will probably become the VP of Trump. He's from the state of Indiana. (Rust Belt region of USA) close to states like Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Iowa, Ohio. Right the type of states where Clinton will have more trouble in than Obama did, i think. I've already said that Trump's path to success is the Rust Belt. If he gets the Rust Belt and Florida in his column, he will win the election. Pence is very conservative, has passed many controversial laws in relation to LGBTQ community and abortion laws. He's active in the Tea Party. The economy is going to be a key issue in the campaign."

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Post by Cippenham » January 19th, 2019, 10:29 pm

Listening to a podcast interview with Jo Nova from Perth Australia. She is an expert speaker on climate science. This is her website

https://www.desmogblog.com/joanne-nova

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Post by Lakigigar » January 20th, 2019, 4:52 pm

Well, the marxists have just announced their candidates for my province / district, and i'm really happy about them. For the Flemish parliament, their candidate is a climate activist who's female and very young. She's an E.R. doctor and a climate activist, and has wroten a book about the climate: "Climate express". Well, i'm really happy. I feel like they're the only political party who truly deserve my vote. If foreign elections learned me something, it's that you have to stay with your principles, and that i will never vote for a lesser of the less evil. Even though their chances to be elected are low, i'll still vote for them. I would never forgive it myself if i don't vote for the marxists. I even would regret it if i vote Green because i wouldn't have followed my principles.

Pff my Dad rambled on FB. Maybe he's more extremist than i am. I really have started to dislike him. Our political views are so different. He has talked about sending all youngsters to Africa and Asia for some reason, but i didn't understand why. Or if i did understand it well (i mean the sentences have no structure, and i can't understand what he writes). He said i should protest in Africa instead of in Brussels if i wanted a better climate. He said that we can't solve the climate crisis by voting greens because they will raise taxes, and has said that if we want to reduce global temperature, we need to change things in Africa and Asia. LOL, forgetting to mention that the average African is so poor that one Belgian is basically equal to ten Africans when it comes to environmental footprint. Or how that China is miles ahead on climate policy than Belgium and USA LOL.

I've said that the marxists want a social and ambitious climate policy, and that i believe they'll involve the working class more in the climate issue, as if they don't support it, we won't have made progress in ten years, and that currently the only climate measures being taken are super asocial that create a reactionary movement against it.

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Post by Lakigigar » January 20th, 2019, 5:39 pm

Apparently the 25 year old fascist and leader of a white identitarian group was present on the Climate March where 12500 students played truant in order to protest for the climate. He advocated for nuclear energy. He was being insulted by everyone who was there... He's such a narcist. He thinks the whole world plays around him. I feel like he has histrionic personality disorder...

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Post by Lakigigar » January 20th, 2019, 5:46 pm

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Our far-right had the biggest turn out for a new years reception, and it was due for a large part because of the presence of the 25 year old leader of a white identitarian group who did a speech there, and called on all his followers to join thim. Because of that, they hit their record turn out for a new years reception. The highlight of the evening was when they received two punch bags on it, and written on it: islam and fake news. They hitted on it, and said: you gotta hit on it.

On a fb post, they alos talked about how the climate religion indoctrinates every Belgian because of the fake media and left-wing activists who use propaganda and indoctrination technics to spread the climate religion.

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Post by matthewscott8 » January 20th, 2019, 9:59 pm

Cippenham wrote:
January 19th, 2019, 10:29 pm
Listening to a podcast interview with Jo Nova from Perth Australia. She is an expert speaker on climate science. This is her website

https://www.desmogblog.com/joanne-nova
Cipp, you don't care about experts, if you did you'd never say any of this stuff, at least you've called her an expert speaker, I agree she's expert at speaking, in that she talks a lot, but she is in no way a climate change expert. Maybe you should have a deep emotional search and try and work out what emotional need you being a climate change denier serves. Maybe you have a deep rooted need to be a contrarian for reasons known only to yourself.

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Post by Lakigigar » January 20th, 2019, 11:16 pm

I'm very proud to be part of the left. The marxists have announced that they'll oppose the threatening rise of the far-right and racism. They're against the green - blue axis, saying that we will pay ourselves "blue" for antisocial green taxes (which is an expression) and against the social democrats who work together with the anti-social nationalists in Antwerp. They say they stay true to their principles, and i'll be voting for them. I'm proud to be a marxist, and i'll fight for climate justice, human rights and social rights!

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Post by Lakigigar » January 21st, 2019, 9:53 pm

More & more organizations are being founded.

Youth For Climate has said they'll continue their truant actions until at least may until the general actions
But Students for Climate - a newly founded organization - has said that after their exams they'll side with them and join the protests until at least may, but will likely continue them after May and has said that Youth For Climate can join them. From all student cities, organizations and actions are being created and organized, and there is a large demand, so they altered the plans, will first protest in their student cities and whoever wants can join Youth For Climate in Brussels. I'll probably join them as well!
Employees for Climate has also been created and urges employeed to strike for the climate and go to Brussels as well.
Parents for Climate has offered to do the sanctions for children who are sanctioned by their schools for playing truant.
New climate marches are being started on sunday. This sunday a huge climate march will be held in Brussels again and many tenthousands will participate

And this movement is spreading internationally!!!

There are actions on 24 january, 27 january, 31 january and also 14 february, but every thursday there is an action! We will try to make climate the theme of the general elections in may. OUR LIBERAL GOVERNMENT IS FAILING!

After the yellow vest movement, there is now a green vest movement! The Greens have urged for the green vests and yellow vests to UNITE!

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Post by Lakigigar » January 21st, 2019, 10:05 pm

LOL the liberals just say that they are extremely pro-climate but they've also said they are going to be extremely tough on immigration and have criticized the Nationalist Party for being too soft on immigration. The nationalist chairman said that they just prevented catholics from being murdered by IS terrorists, while the liberals cliam that they're pro-immigration and contributed to human trafficking.

What teh fuck! Every party should unite against the liberals party. Far-right, nationalisst, christian democrats, social democrats, greens and communists, unite. All against liberals, all against the blue parties! We need to resist against dangerous neoliberalism and the neoliberal media! They hurt common working class people and advocate interests that conflict with that of our own.

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Post by matthewscott8 » January 21st, 2019, 11:05 pm

A friend just sent me an article from Spiked to read, and I said I wouldn't read anything the Koch Brothers paid for. Got told I was a no platformer. Cheered me up.

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Post by Lakigigar » January 23rd, 2019, 2:57 am

More climate actions & protests announced in the upcoming weeks in BELGIUM.

✊ THURSDAY 24/1:
8:30: Casseroles & paillettes pour le climat & contre le CETA
10:30: Third Klimaatmars voor een betere toekomst with Youth For Climate

✊ SATURDAY / SUNDAY 26/1 + 27/1
Yellow vest movement protests

✊ SUNDAY 27/1
13:00: Pas de loi climat? Geen Wetstraat!
14:00: start of Rise for Climate - 4th edition - European march

✊ THURSDAY 31/1
10:30: Fourth Klimaatmars voor een betere toekomst with Youth For Climate

✊ SATURDAY / SUNDAY 2/2 + 3/2
Yellow vest movement protests

✊ THURSDAY 7/2
10:30: Fifth Klimaatmars voor een betere toekomst with Youth For Climate

✊ SATURDAY / SUNDAY 9/2 + 10/2
Yellow vest movement protests

✊ WEDNESDAY 13/2
General strike from three main unions, in cooperation with yellow vests

✊ THURSDAY 14/2
10:30: Sixth Klimaatmars voor een betere toekomst with Youth For Climate
10:30: Students for Climate join Youth For Climate (2k going already on Facebook, and actions planned in Brussels, Ghent, Louvain-La Neuve, Antwerp and Mons)

Students for Climate and Youth For Climate has said that they'll continue their actions every thursday until at least the general elections in May. Meanwhile, an organization more general climate marches has been started to organize as well, and they've founded the organization Employees for Climate which will join the protests every thursday as well.

I'll join the protests on 27/1 and 31/1 at least. On 31/1 i'll have to be in Brussels, so i'll probably join the protests for a while as they're literally less than a mile from where i have to be in the afternoon.

The protests aren't ending, believe me, they've just started, and we're only starting to get energized!

OUR VOICE WILL BE HEARD, and they'll know it.

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Post by Lakigigar » January 23rd, 2019, 4:40 am

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Post by Cippenham » January 23rd, 2019, 5:08 am

Ignore this

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Post by Lakigigar » January 24th, 2019, 3:54 pm

35000 people STRIKE for the climate

THE MOVEMENT IS GROWING!

35,000 play truant for the climate

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Post by Cippenham » January 25th, 2019, 5:44 am

It’s not emotional, it is clear the climate people are Marxists who are looking for a new religion to replace their failed ideology. These are treating as it as a religion not based on facts and are emotional. They the believers have allegedly massively fiddled the figures changed graphs, changed how to measure temperature through massive fraud as has been demonstrated now many times. There is no evidence whatsoever to show any of their nonsense is true. It is false science and massive fraud funded by governments to get to an agreed outcome regardless of facts, many many scientists now take this position, it is false again to say these are a tiny number. The climate change people are the ones who are emotional, my position is based on scientific evidence and facts from scientists. I am not a scientist , and some are even saying in addition, including Russian and Japanese research we are indeed heading for a mini ice age as well so should prepare for that. See the works of Tim Ball such as The Deliberate Corruption of Climate Science. Some information is on his website http://drtimball.com. There are many many others .
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Post by Cippenham » January 25th, 2019, 5:45 am

I am not going all over presenting evidence again, there is plenty more out there,don’t do that either here. Dr Ball has read all of the IPCC reports and Says most scientists believing in climate science have not read one. If they have it would just be the deceptive summary for policy makers. These people deliberately created a false concensus. Concensus science is pernicious as historically it is the first refuge of scoundrels. Science requires one investiture who happens to be right, concensus is irrelevant, what matters is verifiable results .

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Post by Kublai Khan » January 25th, 2019, 1:22 pm

Cippenham wrote:
January 25th, 2019, 5:45 am
I am not going all over presenting evidence again, there is plenty more out there,don’t do that either here. Dr Ball has read all of the IPCC reports and Says most scientists believing in climate science have not read one. If they have it would just be the deceptive summary for policy makers. These people deliberately created a false concensus. Concensus science is pernicious as historically it is the first refuge of scoundrels. Science requires one investiture who happens to be right, concensus is irrelevant, what matters is verifiable results .
Is this satire?

(Poe's Law and all that...)

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Post by Kublai Khan » January 25th, 2019, 1:22 pm

Also, Roger Stone was indicted this morning. :banana: :banana: :banana:

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Post by St. Gloede » January 25th, 2019, 1:40 pm

No, sadly Cippenham genuinly believes in a Eurocommunist and Cultural Marxist conspiracy spanning the majority of politicians (including liberals and conservatives - David Cameron and Theresa May are confirmed socialists to him) and more absurdly large scale corporations.

(One of the reasons why he believes corporations are secretly pro-communist is because they are anti-racist - his words)

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Post by OldAle1 » January 25th, 2019, 2:56 pm

This might be apropos for Cipp - and perhaps others...

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/gyap ... ook-groups

Certainly true in my own family that, typically, older and/or more isolated individuals are more likely to glom onto this kind of stuff. My dad for example - who actually didn't vote for Trump as far as I know and has in some ways become more "liberal" over the last couple of decades - is awfully prone to falling for crazy health/diet schemes, and certainly has some bizarre beliefs about the world, government, etc. I think being almost totally alone for the last 6 years has probably fed into his delusions and his searches for some kind of "truth" that will make his last years happier or more meaningful. But it's not just people in their 80s, a couple of cousins not much older than me and another relative who's under 25 have been spewing all kinds of crazy shit lately - and my family has definitely pulled apart more in the past 3 years than ever before.

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