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1. The Lickerish Quartet (Radley Metzger, 1970) L/B
This one contains both lesian and bisexual elements, one character being clearly bi- while another character may be lesbian or bi-. It's unclear from the way the character is portrayed.
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01) For Lucio (2021, Pietro Marcello) - 3.5/5
02) Born in Flames (1983, Lizzie Borden) - 3.5/5
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LGBTIQQAAP in Film
1. The Mitchells vs. the Machines (2021) USA [L]
2. What Keeps You Alive (2018) Canada [L]
3. Out at the Wedding (2007) USA [Q]
4. Enter the Phoenix (2004) Hong Kong [G]

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Not wanting to follow in the footsteps of his estranged triad boss father, a gay young man lets his straight roommate impersonate him, which leads to all sorts of complications in this comedy. While there are a few iffy moments that border on gay conversion therapy and some lame jokes in the mix, the story works okay since a lot of the focus is on the roommate learning triad leadership beyond queer issues. There is also some excellently choreographed action.
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1. The Lickerish Quartet (Radley Metzger, 1970) L/B
This one contains both lesian and bisexual elements, one character being clearly bi- while another character may be lesbian or bi-. It's unclear from the way the character is portrayed.
I need to see that. Score is a huge personal favorite.
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kongs_speech wrote: June 2nd, 2021, 3:30 pm
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1. The Lickerish Quartet (Radley Metzger, 1970) L/B
This one contains both lesian and bisexual elements, one character being clearly bi- while another character may be lesbian or bi-. It's unclear from the way the character is portrayed.
I need to see that. Score is a huge personal favorite.
If you liked Score, this'll be right up your alley. Very similar style. Radley Metzger was certainly one of the more experimental adult film directors.
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Pride month FTW
1. Becoming Julia (2003, Trans, Australia)
2. Identity: In & Beyond the Binary (2015, Queer, USA)

I was looking for documentaries on people who fall outside the gender dichotomy, and there's... a dearth of them. This was pretty interesting. The director is actually a photographer who was photographing and interviewing non-binary people for a book - he filmed the interviews and released it as a documentary. As a documentary film art form, it's boring - people are sitting in a chair talking. BUT. As for the content of what they are saying, it's fascinating - I really liked hearing the stories of how they identify, how they came to understand that about themselves, growing up and dealing with difficulties, etc. At 60 minutes, it's a quick way to learn a ton from people outside the binary.

And since it's not on IMDB or anything like that, here's a link to an article about the film with the film (embedded on YT) at the bottom, if anyone is interested in checking it out: https://www.advocate.com/transgender/20 ... ond-binary
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01) For Lucio (2021, Pietro Marcello) - 3.5/5
02) Born in Flames (1983, Lizzie Borden) - 3.5/5
03) Happy Together (1997, Wong Kar-wai) - 4.5/5
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finished Simoun, the genderfluid anime before this month

1. C.R.A.Z.Y. 8.5/10 - not in English unexpectedly. North American movies in French feel so weird.
2. My Beautiful Laundrette 7/10
3. Women in Revolt - apparently it's a satire of womens liberation but perhaps it can be seen straight as well. but it's rather transgender and tagged that way. funny the authors named the womens group PIGS and now just look foolish after trying to involve exploited species in their critique using its perceived vileness.

The Genius of Synecdoche New York - this 1hr+ review mentioned trans theme in movie in passing
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beasterne wrote: June 2nd, 2021, 3:14 am Bonus game: G, 2010s, Europe region. Surprised the UK doesn’t have its own country :P
I thought about it, but really wanted to limit the bonus to two countries per region. For Europe I was deciding between France, Germany, Spain and the UK.
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2. Bound (1996) - very stylish. Hard to believe this was the Wachowskis’ first feature, as they were already near the top of their game. I recognized several visuals that show up again in The Matrix, V for Vendetta, etc. while the directing and acting of the three leads is strong, I’m not sure the movie quite worked for me. Corky had absolutely nothing to do for the middle 3rd of the film. And there were one or two too many last second interruptions. Still, a solid thriller. (6/10)

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1. Born in Flames (1983, L, USA) 8/10
Fergenaprido wrote: May 30th, 2021, 11:55 pm
And my own passion project collecting Queer films on various lists (Google Spreadsheet)
Will there ever be a poll conducted for top spreadsheets? Because this one is just all kinds of awesome. (l)
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lineuphere wrote: June 3rd, 2021, 2:48 am 1. Born in Flames (1983, L, USA) 8/10
Fergenaprido wrote: May 30th, 2021, 11:55 pm
And my own passion project collecting Queer films on various lists (Google Spreadsheet)
Will there ever be a poll conducted for top spreadsheets? Because this one is just all kinds of awesome. (l)
That's an awesome spreadsheet. I just find the combination of two orthogonal topics hilarious. LOVE the detail!
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Aww, thanks folks. I think I love my spreadsheets even more than I love Queer Canadian films! :P Glad you like it.
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Fergenaprido wrote: June 1st, 2021, 6:18 am
maxwelldeux wrote: June 1st, 2021, 5:43 am
Fergenaprido wrote: May 30th, 2021, 11:55 pm Bonus Challenge

I've decided to run a multi-faceted bonus challenge that will hopefully encourage participants to explore beyond the latest awards-bait-gay-film-for-straight-people™ created for straight actors to receive Oscar glory. :P
Bonus Challenge Breakdown
1. LGBTQ+ - 5 points - 1 for each of the first four letters of the acronym (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender), and 1 for the rest combined since they're less prevalent in cinema (Intersex, Pansexual, Asexual, etc.)
2. Decades - 8 points - 1 for each decade from 1960s-2020s, and 1 for all earlier decades combined
3. Countries - 15 points - 1 for each of the top-two* queer film countries from each region (USA, Canada, Brazil, Argentina, France, Spain, South Africa, Israel, Philippines, Thailand), plus 1 for each of the region excluding those 10 countries (North America, South America, Europe, Africa-Middle East*, Asia-Pacific*)
4. Personal - 2 points - 1 point for watching my favourite queer film of all time (C.R.A.Z.Y.) or for watching the best queer film based on my spreadsheet points system (My Beautiful Laundrette)

Thus, there are 30 bonus points available. After you complete one of the first three sections, only additional full cycles will count, i.e. if you watch an L, a G, a B, a T and a Q+ film and get 5 points, you'll need to watch another film from each category to get 10 points; watching 5 more lesbian films won't get you anything on their own). Is this a little complicated? Yes, but it's a bonus challenge and it's all just for fun, so just go with it. :D

*For the purposes of this bonus challenge, "top-two" takes into consideration not only absolute output, but also relative output. Turkey, Georgia, Azerbaijan, and Iran will be the northeast boundary of Africa-Middle East (with Cyprus in Europe), and all of Oceania is grouped with the rest of Asia to form Asia-Pacific. All of this is purely subjective and arbitrary, and I've done it to balance out the regions a bit and encourage exploration.
So... how do you want things reported? This is a pretty complicated bonus challenge (interesting, don't get me wrong, but definitely complicated), so I want to know how to record stuff to make your life as easy as possible...
I didn't think that far ahead lol. Oops.

Standard year and country should be easy enough for everyone, I think, and then add which letter (L, G, B, T, or Q+) it falls under.

Example: C.R.A.Z.Y. (G 2005 Canada)

Does that work? I'll probably know most of the information for the majority of what people watch, but I won't catch everything. Plus, if people aren't interested in the bonus challenge, they don't have to bother with the extra information.
I just found your list of queer films on official lists. That will be helpful this month. I'm not super invested in this challenge, I just wanna watch cool queer stuff if I have the time. I've got a lot of expiring Criterion stuff and festival films. You make awesome resources. :cheers:
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2. Rope (1948) (Bonus challenge : G and before 1960s)
I kinda knew this film because I heard a lot about it, especially its technical achievement. I guess I heard so much about it, I didn't watch it before.
And I should have. That was great. Amazing plot, dark humor, the homosexual relation between the two main characters is obvious even if it's never said. I really enjoyed it. 8/10
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LGBTIQQAAP in Film
1. The Mitchells vs. the Machines (2021) USA [L]
2. What Keeps You Alive (2018) Canada [L]
3. Out at the Wedding (2007) USA [Q]
4. Enter the Phoenix (2004) Hong Kong [G]
5. The Iron Ladies (2000) Thailand [T]

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This comedy follows the rise of a volleyball team consisting entirely of gay and trans players. The queer representation is quite refreshing here but the characters mostly adhere to eye-rolling stereotypes. The film also often uncomfortably plays up how effeminate they are for laughs (crying over broken fingernails). The team's lesbian coach comes off quite well though and has a pivotal role in an amusing comeuppance for a bigoted referee late into things.
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1. J. Edgar (Clint Eastwood, 2011) 7-
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Question for Fergenaprido on eligible films: I’m planning to see Casablanca on Saturday. Since I know I’ll watch it, I wondered if it’s eligible for this challenge. I’ve seen commentary from critics that various characters can be read as gay, such as Captain Renault, or that the relationship between Rick and Renault is more than the beginning of a beautiful friendship.

No strong feelings either way, but since I’m watching it anyway I wanted to get a ruling ahead of time so I can plan other watches around it.
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kongs_speech wrote: June 3rd, 2021, 4:19 am I just found your list of queer films on official lists. That will be helpful this month. I'm not super invested in this challenge, I just wanna watch cool queer stuff if I have the time. I've got a lot of expiring Criterion stuff and festival films. You make awesome resources. :cheers:
Glad you find it useful :) It's not exhaustive, as I'm sure there are some lesser-known queer films that I'm unaware of that appear on official lists, so feel free to let me know if I've missed any.
beasterne wrote: June 3rd, 2021, 6:49 pm Question for Fergenaprido on eligible films: I’m planning to see Casablanca on Saturday. Since I know I’ll watch it, I wondered if it’s eligible for this challenge. I’ve seen commentary from critics that various characters can be read as gay, such as Captain Renault, or that the relationship between Rick and Renault is more than the beginning of a beautiful friendship.

No strong feelings either way, but since I’m watching it anyway I wanted to get a ruling ahead of time so I can plan other watches around it.
It's a no from me, unless you can convince me otherwise. :D
It's been years since I've seen it, but I have no recollection of any queerness in that film, coded or otherwise.
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Fergenaprido wrote: June 3rd, 2021, 7:11 pm
kongs_speech wrote: June 3rd, 2021, 4:19 am I just found your list of queer films on official lists. That will be helpful this month. I'm not super invested in this challenge, I just wanna watch cool queer stuff if I have the time. I've got a lot of expiring Criterion stuff and festival films. You make awesome resources. :cheers:
Glad you find it useful :) It's not exhaustive, as I'm sure there are some lesser-known queer films that I'm unaware of that appear on official lists, so feel free to let me know if I've missed any.
beasterne wrote: June 3rd, 2021, 6:49 pm Question for Fergenaprido on eligible films: I’m planning to see Casablanca on Saturday. Since I know I’ll watch it, I wondered if it’s eligible for this challenge. I’ve seen commentary from critics that various characters can be read as gay, such as Captain Renault, or that the relationship between Rick and Renault is more than the beginning of a beautiful friendship.

No strong feelings either way, but since I’m watching it anyway I wanted to get a ruling ahead of time so I can plan other watches around it.
It's a no from me, unless you can convince me otherwise. :D
It's been years since I've seen it, but I have no recollection of any queerness in that film, coded or otherwise.
Yeah, I have to second this. I saw Casablanca for the first and only time in January 2021, and I didn't notice anything about Renault that read as gay, nor do I see any reason not to take the friendship line at face value.
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Thank you for hosting, Fergenaprido!

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1. Pao dao zhong dian (The End of the Track, Mou Tun-Fei, 1970) 10/10 (G/Q) (Taiwan) (l)
2. Una stagione all'inferno (A Season in Hell, Nelo Risi, 1971) 8/10 (B) (Italy)
3. All About Alice (Ray Harrison, 1972) 7.5/10 (T) (USA)
4. Storia di una monaca di clausura (Story of a Cloistered Nun, Domenico Paolella, 1973) 7.5/10 (L/B) (Italy)
5. Wet Rainbow (Duddy Kane, 1974) 7.5/10 (L/B) (USA)
6. Saturday Night at the Baths (David Buckley, 1975) 7.5/10 (G/B) (USA)
7. Les plaisirs solitaires (Lonely Pleasures, Francis Leroi, 1976) 8.5/10 (L/B) (France)
8. Los claros motivos del deseo (‎The Clear Motives of Desire, Miguel Picazo, 1977) 7.5/10 (G) (Spain)
9. Hoshizora no marionette (Puppets Under Starry Skies, Hôjin Hashiura, 1978) 8/10 (G) (Japan)
10. Hirusagari no onna: chohatsu! (Woman of the Afternoon: Incite!, Nobuyuki Saitô, 1979 8/10 (G) (Japan)

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01) For Lucio (2021, Pietro Marcello) - 3.5/5
02) Born in Flames (1983, Lizzie Borden) - 3.5/5
03) Happy Together (1997, Wong Kar-wai) - 4.5/5
04) Senorita (2011, Isabel Sandoval) - 4.5/5
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jdidaco wrote: June 3rd, 2021, 8:37 pm Thank you for hosting, Fergenaprido!

(Screenshots from 'Pao dao zhong dian' & 'All About Alice'),

The 70s!!!

1. Pao dao zhong dian (The End of the Track, Mou Tun-Fei, 1970) 10/10 (G/Q) (Taiwan) (l)
2. Una stagione all'inferno (A Season in Hell, Nelo Risi, 1971) 8/10 (B) (Italy)
3. All About Alice (Ray Harrison, 1972) 7.5/10 (T) (USA)
4. Storia di una monaca di clausura (Story of a Cloistered Nun, Domenico Paolella, 1973) 7.5/10 (L/B) (Italy)
5. Wet Rainbow (Duddy Kane, 1974) 7.5/10 (L/B) (USA)
6. Saturday Night at the Baths (David Buckley, 1975) 7.5/10 (G/B) (USA)
7. Les plaisirs solitaires (Lonely Pleasures, Francis Leroi, 1976) 8.5/10 (L/B) (France)
8. Los claros motivos del deseo (‎The Clear Motives of Desire, Miguel Picazo, 1977) 7.5/10 (G) (Spain)
9. Hoshizora no marionette (Puppets Under Starry Skies, Hôjin Hashiura, 1978) 8/10 (G) (Japan)
10. Hirusagari no onna: chohatsu! (Woman of the Afternoon: Incite!, Nobuyuki Saitô, 1979 8/10 (G) (Japan)
I'm impressed that you've planned to do the every-year and queer challenges in tandem, and that you found a bunch of films I don't think I've heard of. Pao dao zhong dian looks interesting.
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Fergenaprido wrote: June 3rd, 2021, 7:11 pm
kongs_speech wrote: June 3rd, 2021, 4:19 am I just found your list of queer films on official lists. That will be helpful this month. I'm not super invested in this challenge, I just wanna watch cool queer stuff if I have the time. I've got a lot of expiring Criterion stuff and festival films. You make awesome resources. :cheers:
Glad you find it useful :) It's not exhaustive, as I'm sure there are some lesser-known queer films that I'm unaware of that appear on official lists, so feel free to let me know if I've missed any.
beasterne wrote: June 3rd, 2021, 6:49 pm Question for Fergenaprido on eligible films: I’m planning to see Casablanca on Saturday. Since I know I’ll watch it, I wondered if it’s eligible for this challenge. I’ve seen commentary from critics that various characters can be read as gay, such as Captain Renault, or that the relationship between Rick and Renault is more than the beginning of a beautiful friendship.

No strong feelings either way, but since I’m watching it anyway I wanted to get a ruling ahead of time so I can plan other watches around it.
It's a no from me, unless you can convince me otherwise. :D
It's been years since I've seen it, but I have no recollection of any queerness in that film, coded or otherwise.
I'm not going to fight and die on this hill by any means. But it is a valid reading I would say, and there are probably enough coded hints that Renault in particular could be gay. Here's an excerpt from Ebert's 1996 Great Movies write-up:

"Stylistically, the film is not so much brilliant as absolutely sound, rock-solid in its use of Hollywood studio craftsmanship. The director, Michael Curtiz, and the writers (Julius J. Epstein, Philip G. Epstein and Howard Koch) all won Oscars. One of their key contributions was to show us that Rick, Ilsa and the others lived in a complex time and place. The richness of the supporting characters (Greenstreet as the corrupt club owner, Lorre as the sniveling cheat, Rains as the subtly homosexual police chief and minor characters like the young girl who will do anything to help her husband) set the moral stage for the decisions of the major characters."

https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/grea ... lanca-1942

Later he responded to readers who questioned this small mention with additional context: "Of course there's the film's enigmatic last line, when Rick says, "Louis, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship." I've analyzed "Casablanca" half a dozen times on various campuses, using the shot-by-shot stop-action approach. Each time, the audience and I have picked up on something about Renault's manner, about his speech, about certain lines of dialog, that suggest the possibility that he may be either latently or secretly homosexual. Renault does indeed use his influence to pick up women, but the more I see the movie, the more I wonder what he does with them. The recent documentary "The Celluloid Closet" is illuminating in its study of the way Hollywood slipped homosexual characters into movies in violation of the Production Code."

https://www.rogerebert.com/answer-man/m ... n-09221996
kongs_speech wrote: June 3rd, 2021, 7:35 pmYeah, I have to second this. I saw Casablanca for the first and only time in January 2021, and I didn't notice anything about Renault that read as gay, nor do I see any reason not to take the friendship line at face value.
“Rick is the kind of man that… if I were a woman, and I were not around, I should be in love with Rick. But what a fool I am talking to a beautiful woman about another man.” :whistling:

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I am only about 50% serious with any of this; I just think its fun to explore classic movies through different lenses. Put the puzzle back in the box, shake it up, and see what new shape it's in when it falls back out. I will defer to the challenge moderator's judgment on this one :)
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maxwelldeux wrote: June 2nd, 2021, 10:08 pm
Pride month FTW
1. Becoming Julia (2003, Trans, Australia)
2. Identity: In & Beyond the Binary (2015, Queer, USA)

I was looking for documentaries on people who fall outside the gender dichotomy, and there's... a dearth of them. This was pretty interesting. The director is actually a photographer who was photographing and interviewing non-binary people for a book - he filmed the interviews and released it as a documentary. As a documentary film art form, it's boring - people are sitting in a chair talking. BUT. As for the content of what they are saying, it's fascinating - I really liked hearing the stories of how they identify, how they came to understand that about themselves, growing up and dealing with difficulties, etc. At 60 minutes, it's a quick way to learn a ton from people outside the binary.

And since it's not on IMDB or anything like that, here's a link to an article about the film with the film (embedded on YT) at the bottom, if anyone is interested in checking it out: https://www.advocate.com/transgender/20 ... ond-binary
If anyone is interested, I got this added to IMDB and ICM today:
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2. XXY (2007, Puenzo) 7/10 - Argentina / 00s / intersexual
3. But I'm a Cheerleader (1999, Babbit) 6/10 - 90s / L
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3. But I'm a Cheerleader (1999, Babbit) 6/10 - 90s / L
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beasterne wrote: June 3rd, 2021, 10:46 pm
Fergenaprido wrote: June 3rd, 2021, 7:11 pm
kongs_speech wrote: June 3rd, 2021, 4:19 am I just found your list of queer films on official lists. That will be helpful this month. I'm not super invested in this challenge, I just wanna watch cool queer stuff if I have the time. I've got a lot of expiring Criterion stuff and festival films. You make awesome resources. :cheers:
Glad you find it useful :) It's not exhaustive, as I'm sure there are some lesser-known queer films that I'm unaware of that appear on official lists, so feel free to let me know if I've missed any.
beasterne wrote: June 3rd, 2021, 6:49 pm Question for Fergenaprido on eligible films: I’m planning to see Casablanca on Saturday. Since I know I’ll watch it, I wondered if it’s eligible for this challenge. I’ve seen commentary from critics that various characters can be read as gay, such as Captain Renault, or that the relationship between Rick and Renault is more than the beginning of a beautiful friendship.

No strong feelings either way, but since I’m watching it anyway I wanted to get a ruling ahead of time so I can plan other watches around it.
It's a no from me, unless you can convince me otherwise. :D
It's been years since I've seen it, but I have no recollection of any queerness in that film, coded or otherwise.
I'm not going to fight and die on this hill by any means. But it is a valid reading I would say, and there are probably enough coded hints that Renault in particular could be gay. Here's an excerpt from Ebert's 1996 Great Movies write-up:

"Stylistically, the film is not so much brilliant as absolutely sound, rock-solid in its use of Hollywood studio craftsmanship. The director, Michael Curtiz, and the writers (Julius J. Epstein, Philip G. Epstein and Howard Koch) all won Oscars. One of their key contributions was to show us that Rick, Ilsa and the others lived in a complex time and place. The richness of the supporting characters (Greenstreet as the corrupt club owner, Lorre as the sniveling cheat, Rains as the subtly homosexual police chief and minor characters like the young girl who will do anything to help her husband) set the moral stage for the decisions of the major characters."

https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/grea ... lanca-1942

Later he responded to readers who questioned this small mention with additional context: "Of course there's the film's enigmatic last line, when Rick says, "Louis, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship." I've analyzed "Casablanca" half a dozen times on various campuses, using the shot-by-shot stop-action approach. Each time, the audience and I have picked up on something about Renault's manner, about his speech, about certain lines of dialog, that suggest the possibility that he may be either latently or secretly homosexual. Renault does indeed use his influence to pick up women, but the more I see the movie, the more I wonder what he does with them. The recent documentary "The Celluloid Closet" is illuminating in its study of the way Hollywood slipped homosexual characters into movies in violation of the Production Code."

https://www.rogerebert.com/answer-man/m ... n-09221996
kongs_speech wrote: June 3rd, 2021, 7:35 pmYeah, I have to second this. I saw Casablanca for the first and only time in January 2021, and I didn't notice anything about Renault that read as gay, nor do I see any reason not to take the friendship line at face value.
“Rick is the kind of man that… if I were a woman, and I were not around, I should be in love with Rick. But what a fool I am talking to a beautiful woman about another man.” :whistling:

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I am only about 50% serious with any of this; I just think its fun to explore classic movies through different lenses. Put the puzzle back in the box, shake it up, and see what new shape it's in when it falls back out. I will defer to the challenge moderator's judgment on this one :)
It's quite possible that Renault's character was intended as gay, but even if he was and it was blatantly obvious without changing anything else in the story, it wouldn't be enough to consider the film a queer film. I'm trying to think of an analogous film... maybe The Maltese Falcon? I think Lorre's character in that film is much more strongly coded as gay, but I still wouldn't consider it a queer film.
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Pride month FTW
1. Becoming Julia (2003, Trans, Australia)
2. Identity: In & Beyond the Binary (2015, Queer, USA)
3. Born in Flames (1983, Lesbian, USA) 8/10
This is absolutely fascinating. All about radical feminism set in an alternate future. My sense is that this was done to make it more "sellable", as the alternate future was almost exactly like the USA at the time. Interesting to me was the top comment on ICM. Asked Wife about that, and her response was "yeah - that's a super famous paper. I read that in most of my classes." And then she suggested another paper that outlined the themes in this movie. All in all, I really enjoyed the allegory of this film and think it's still super topical.

4. Man 2 Man: A Gay Man's Guide to Finding Love (2011, Gay, USA) 5/10
This is a conversational documentary about exactly it's title. Nice to hear all the same desires for love and companionship that ring true for anyone wanting a relationship with another person. But also a self-critical look at some of the barriers in place against relationships. Nice conversations, not terribly interesting as a documentary art form.

5. Quiet Heroes (2018, Lesbian, USA) 6/10
This is the story of two women in SLC, Utah who were taking care of AIDS patients starting in the early '80s. Nice to hear their story and a bit more of the history of the treatment of AIDS patients in the USA. Calling this "lesbian" because the film focuses on the two women running the practice, who have been lesbian partners together for decades.
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DudeLanez wrote: June 3rd, 2021, 11:14 pm 3. But I'm a Cheerleader (1999, Babbit) 6/10 - 90s / L
Anything less than 10/10 should be grounds for a ban. :folded:
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oh count Casablanca already!

XXXY 7/10 - 13 mins short
Ponyboi 6/10 - 19 mins short, 1st check
4. America's Hidden Stories: The General was Female? 7/10 - intersex
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5. Paris Is Burning 7.5/10
6. Ma vie en rose (My Life in Pink) 8/10 are there family movies of this type where the family is supportive from outset?
7. Drunktown's Finest 6.5/10
8. The Adventures Of Priscilla Queen Of The Desert 8/10

btw you should add the trans lists to the OP
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the intersex list is also pretty nice.
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nvm got it sorted
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Fergenaprido wrote: June 3rd, 2021, 11:20 pm
It's quite possible that Renault's character was intended as gay, but even if he was and it was blatantly obvious without changing anything else in the story, it wouldn't be enough to consider the film a queer film. I'm trying to think of an analogous film... maybe The Maltese Falcon? I think Lorre's character in that film is much more strongly coded as gay, but I still wouldn't consider it a queer film.
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does Orange Is the New Black count? it has 8 lgbtq characters? (asking for the future, not for this month)
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Armoreska wrote: June 4th, 2021, 12:11 am 6. Ma vie en rose (My Life in Pink) 8/10 are there family movies of this type where the family is supportive from outset?
Good question.

I've scanned through the queer films I've seen, and there are few that start off with family acceptance (though there are plenty where the family are fully accepting after the kid/teen comes out).

I think The Blossoming of Maximo Oliveros counts. Other borderline cases would be Breakfast with Scot, Close to Léo, How to Win at Checkers (Every Time), and, if I remember correctly, The Curiosity of Chance. Plus, there's The Sum of Us, but the main character is probably older than what you had in mind when you asked the question.
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Armoreska wrote: June 4th, 2021, 1:09 am does Orange Is the New Black count? it has 8 lgbtq characters? (asking for the future, not for this month)
Yeah, OITNB is super queer, and while I only saw the first 4 or 5 episodes, I've heard it gets gayer over time.
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3. Happy Together (1997) - (8/10) Raw and emotional. Beautifully shot, and very sad.

Bonus Game: not a lot of bonus points here. G - 90s - Asia-Pacific

4. I Don’t Want to Be a Man (1918) - (5/10) A couple of funny gags, plus it’s great to see such an early example of the trope where a gender-bending protagonist enchants a confused hetero (see: Some Like it Hot, Mulan, that episode of Futurama with Leela posing as a man, etc).

Bonus game: I’m going to call this a + film, as it can fall under Questioning and/or Non-Binary. pre-60s. Germany.
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Fergenaprido wrote: June 3rd, 2021, 11:20 pm I'm trying to think of an analogous film... maybe The Maltese Falcon? I think Lorre's character in that film is much more strongly coded as gay, but I still wouldn't consider it a queer film.
Not to mention the several references to a gunsel. My Yiddish-speaking father could tell you that gunsel has nothing do with guns.

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blocho wrote: June 4th, 2021, 4:00 am
Fergenaprido wrote: June 3rd, 2021, 11:20 pm I'm trying to think of an analogous film... maybe The Maltese Falcon? I think Lorre's character in that film is much more strongly coded as gay, but I still wouldn't consider it a queer film.
Not to mention the several references to a gunsel. My Yiddish-speaking father could tell you that gunsel has nothing do with guns.
Err, what does it mean, then?

My dictionary says thus:
gunsel | ˈɡən(t)səl |
noun US informal
a criminal carrying a gun.
ORIGIN
early 20th century (denoting a tramp's young companion): from Yiddish gendzel ‘little goose’, influenced in sense by gun.
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Fergenaprido wrote: June 4th, 2021, 4:53 am
blocho wrote: June 4th, 2021, 4:00 am
Fergenaprido wrote: June 3rd, 2021, 11:20 pm I'm trying to think of an analogous film... maybe The Maltese Falcon? I think Lorre's character in that film is much more strongly coded as gay, but I still wouldn't consider it a queer film.
Not to mention the several references to a gunsel. My Yiddish-speaking father could tell you that gunsel has nothing do with guns.
Err, what does it mean, then?

My dictionary says thus:
gunsel | ˈɡən(t)səl |
noun US informal
a criminal carrying a gun.
ORIGIN
early 20th century (denoting a tramp's young companion): from Yiddish gendzel ‘little goose’, influenced in sense by gun.
Gunsel does mean little goose in Yiddish, but "little goose" in Yiddish was a slang term for a homosexual man. It won't surprise you to learn it was a pejorative term. You can compare it with a similar Yiddish word, feygele, which means "little bird" and has the same slang meaning as gunsel.

Now the story I heard was that gunsel was a term snuck into a hard-boiled novel or movie (I can't remember if it was The Maltese Falcon or another work) by a writer who knew Yiddish. The writer wanted to use an English slang term for homosexual, but the censors didn't allow him. So he used gunsel, thinking that the censors would assume it had something to do with guns, which is exactly what happened. And that's how gunsel became associated with a criminal carrying a gun rather than what the term actually meant.
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3. Female Trouble (1974) - 6/10
4. Mysterious Skin (2004) - 6/10 [2000s]

I did like both of them. The John Waters was fun to watch, a little more consistent than Pink Flamingos in my opinion, but is not as extreme as that other one.
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