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2. Sunday Bloody Sunday (John Schlesinger, 1971) - 7/10

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2. Sunday Bloody Sunday (John Schlesinger, 1971) - 7/10
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Pride month FTW
1. Becoming Julia (2003, Trans, Australia)
2. Identity: In & Beyond the Binary (2015, Queer, USA)
3. Born in Flames (1983, Lesbian, USA)
4. Man 2 Man: A Gay Man's Guide to Finding Love (2011, Gay, USA)
5. Quiet Heroes (2018, Lesbian, USA)
6. When Bette Met Mae (2014, -, USA)
7. Sunday Bloody Sunday (1971, Bisexual, UK)
8. C.R.A.Z.Y. (2005, Gay, Canada) 8/10
Well, I'm not a sucker for coming-of-age films generally, only the good ones. And this ticked the latter box for me. I loved being able to see and get to know each of the characters/kids individually. And the fantasy trippy weirdness that was interspersed in there really worked for me. It had a bit of an Almost Famous vibe. And I will say that the central song resonated with me - I went through a Patsy Cline phase when I was a young kid because my grandfather liked her, and Crazy was his favorite song. Great rec, Ferg!

9. The Fall of '55 (2006, Gay, USA) 4/10
This was about a gay panic in Boise, Idaho in the year 1955. Not only was this doc poorly done, it blurred the lines of "don't rape kids" with "don't be gay" and did nothing to challenge any of that notion. Important story to tell, but this was NOT the documentary to do so.

10. The Queen (1968, Queer, USA) 6/10
This was all about a drag show in the late '60s. Fun to see it all play out and behind the scenes.
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4. C.R.A.Z.Y. (G, Canada, 2005) 9 I can see why you liked this one, Fergenaprido. Thanks for the rec!
5. Ci qing (L, Taiwan, 2007) Spider Lilies 7
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1. Chun gwong cha sit (G, Hong Kong, 1997) Happy Together 8+
2. Appropriate Behavior (B, USA, 2014) 4
3. Victim (G, UK, 1961) 8+
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Hey, will Steins;Gate and Sense8 count for this?

I posted a list of bisexual lists including all bi-tagged films from spreadsheet (let me know if I should add more)
https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/top+ ... armoreska/
There's also some extra list on IMDb, ofc.

Fergenaprido, when are you gonna make your TQPDT public?
Also these two movies you suggested are not tagged bisexual on your list: I Don't Want to Sleep Alone, Last of Sheila

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Armoreska wrote: June 6th, 2021, 9:02 pm Hey, will Steins;Gate and Sense8 count for this?

Fergenaprido, when are you gonna make your TQPDT public?
Also these two movies you suggested are not tagged bisexual on your list: I Don't Want to Sleep Alone, Last of Sheila
Sense8 - yes.
Steins;Gate - I'm not familiar with it, but based on the wikipedia summary, I'd say no.

What do you mean by making my "TQPDT public"? I shared the spreadsheet, which is as far as I'm going to go. I have no interest in making a TSPDT-style queer list because there aren't that many queer-specific lists out there, and I find the vast majority of those lists to be worthless.

I realized IDWtSA was missing the bi tag, I added it to my spreadsheet (it will be updated in the google spreadsheet the next time I do a big update). For LoS, the queer element is not as large, so I've just labelled it as "subq", but the queerness involved is a bisexual guy, from what I remember.
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Armoreska wrote: June 6th, 2021, 9:02 pm Hey, will Steins;Gate and Sense8 count for this?
In Steins;Gate, if I remember correctly, there's only one minor character who's LGBT, but it only gets mentioned in about 3 episodes. So I would say no for Steins;Gate, unless you want to watch the entire series and count it as a single entry. I guess that would be reasonable.
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4. My Beautiful Laundrette (1985, Frears) 6/10 - Europe
5. Paris Is Burning (1990, Livingston) 5/10 - Q+
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1. Mishima: A Life in Four Chapters (1985, Schrader) 5/10 - USA / 80s / G
2. XXY (2007, Puenzo) 7/10 - Argentina / 00s / T
3. But I'm a Cheerleader (1999, Babbit) 6/10 - 90s / L
4. My Beautiful Laundrette (1985, Frears) 6/10 - Europe
5. Paris Is Burning (1990, Livingston) 5/10 - Q+
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1. Born in Flames (1983, L, USA) 8/10
2. Winter Kept Us Warm (1965, G, Canada) 8/10
3. Eating Out: Drama Camp (2011, G, USA) 5.5/10
4. Ich möchte kein Mann sein | I Don't Want to Be a Man (1918, Q, Germany) 5.5/10
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Fergenaprido wrote: June 6th, 2021, 11:12 pm For LoS, the queer element is not as large, so I've just labelled it as "subq", but the queerness involved is a bisexual guy, from what I remember.
Yea, I just watched that one last month. Also the way it's presented in the movie, it seems like he is more closeted gay than bisexual though. But you're right. It isn't a huge plot point. It's basically one of the secrets the guests search for.
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8. Appropriate Behavior (2014) (6/10) - Enjoyable film. Really liked the main character, she felt very believable. I got some Fleabag vibes from this now that I think about it. Also, thank you Ferge, this was 100% the bi film I was looking for!

Bonus game - The elusive B! - 10s - USA [LGBTQ+ completed]

9. Heavenly Creatures (1994) (8/10) - A lot of creativity in this one! Jackson’s early work is really impressive, I was completely enchanted by all the flights of fantasy throughout—and totally caught off guard by the ending.

Bonus game - L - 90s - New Zealand (Asia-Pacific region)
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15. Hei yan quan (2006) - 6/10 - Bi
While I could feel the beauty in this movie, I must confess that it was too slow for me to care about the people in it. This movie is more a mood to me. ^^

16. Velvet Goldmine (1998) - 6/10 - 90s [and thus, I finished the decades bonus challenge]
Really confusing film, enjoyable but confusing. I still don't understand most of what happened. But the craziness was fun to watch and I enjoyed it.

17. Nighthawks (1978) - 5/10 - 70s
It really bothers me when I think about this movie. It's not a great movie, but I do hesitate with my rating between 5 and 6.
This movie, on only one list, is about a gay guy that searches a relationship in London. There are really some important moments within the dialogues, even if the movie doesn't go anywhere and have a lack of a purpose. For example, the dialogue in the café between the teacher and his female coworker about the fact that it shouldn't be a big deal to say you're gay, the conversation with student (middle school students) about the fact that he's gay and talks openly about the subject with them, those are really interesting and I guess historically important (I mean, it's a 1970s movie !). The night-life is interesting in many ways in this film, especially because the main character met people with vulgar behaviors (mean sometimes or at least rude, one doesn't show on a date) but the main character does exactly the same to others. The "hunt" in the gay club is also as fascinating as it is repulsing.
But overall, I still feel like I watched a TV movie that tries to have something to say but doesn't succeed.
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LGBTIQQAAP in Film
1. The Mitchells vs. the Machines (2021) USA [L]
2. What Keeps You Alive (2018) Canada [L]
3. Out at the Wedding (2007) USA [Q]
4. Enter the Phoenix (2004) Hong Kong [G]
5. The Iron Ladies (2000) Thailand [T]
6. The Old Guard (2020) USA [G]
7. Chastity Bites (2013) USA [L]
8. Chuck & Buck (2000) USA [G]
9. Saint Maud (2019) Britain [L]
10. The Prom (2020) USA [L]

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With attention always devoted to the Broadway stars learning to be less narcissistic (as opposed to the lesbian teen and her peers), the focus occasionally feels off here, but the stars are such flamboyant and wonderfully larger-than-life characters that they are an absolutely joy to watch, especially as their intrusions end up causing more harm than good. The overall film is generally enjoyable too with colourful sets, exquisite lighting and memorable songs.
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LGBTIQQAAP in Film
1. The Mitchells vs. the Machines (2021) USA [L]
2. What Keeps You Alive (2018) Canada [L]
3. Out at the Wedding (2007) USA [Q]
4. Enter the Phoenix (2004) Hong Kong [G]
5. The Iron Ladies (2000) Thailand [T]
6. The Old Guard (2020) USA [G]
7. Chastity Bites (2013) USA [L]
8. Chuck & Buck (2000) USA [G]
9. Saint Maud (2019) Britain [L]
10. The Prom (2020) USA [L]
11. D.E.B.S. (2004) USA [B]

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This has been compared to Spy Kids, which is actually fairly accurate. As with Spy Kids, nobody's life feels in any real danger with lots of goofiness. The film also feels like it is missing a ton of exposition as it simply plucks us into this world without any sense of what or why. The lesbian romance angle really works though and Devon Aoki is also excellent and very funny with an unfaltering French accent and a knack for running around everywhere in high heels.

I'm counting this as Bi because I need the bonus points, but if Ferg wants to overrule me, so be it. :P I'd say that Sara Foster's character is bi, but the film leaves this hazy. She begins the film with a boyfriend and the film never suggests that she isn't still attracted to guys even though she hooks up with a girl.
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Pride month FTW
1. Becoming Julia (2003, Trans, Australia)
2. Identity: In & Beyond the Binary (2015, Queer, USA)
3. Born in Flames (1983, Lesbian, USA)
4. Man 2 Man: A Gay Man's Guide to Finding Love (2011, Gay, USA)
5. Quiet Heroes (2018, Lesbian, USA)
6. When Bette Met Mae (2014, -, USA)
7. Sunday Bloody Sunday (1971, Bisexual, UK)
8. C.R.A.Z.Y. (2005, Gay, Canada)
9. The Fall of '55 (2006, Gay, USA)
10. The Queen (1968, Queer, USA)
11. Desert Hearts (1985, Bisexual, USA) 8/10
This was pretty nice. We have a recent divorcee living in Reno looking to discover herself. She meets a young woman living and working in Reno and they begin to form a friendship and more. I liked this because you got to see the relationship grow and evolve a bit throughout the film, and the intimate moments were actually believable. I'm calling this one Bisexual because the two female leads seemed to sit at two ends of the "bisexual spectrum" - one who is just straight enough to consider dating a man (Cay) and one who is just lesbian enough to consider dating a woman (Vivian).

12. Tomboy (2011, Queer, France) 8/10
Holy shit did that lead actress nail this. This was all about a kid playing with their gender identify and expression. After moving to a new place, the lead gets to know the neighborhood kids as "Mickael" despite being born "Laure" and being known as such in the family. I don't want to say much, but it's a nice slow reveal that makes you feel the awkward, the great, and the horrifying moments. Really well done, and I don't even like kids.
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sol wrote: June 7th, 2021, 3:04 pm I'm counting this as Bi because I need the bonus points, but if Ferg wants to overrule me, so be it. :P I'd say that Sara Foster's character is bi, but the film leaves this hazy. She begins the film with a boyfriend and the film never suggests that she isn't still attracted to guys even though she hooks up with a girl.
This is something I've been struggling with too - there seems to be a lack of true bisexual representation in film from what I've noticed. Lots of hints. Lots of experimentation. But not enough overt representation. No one really comes out and says "I identify as...", but when the film only shows one relationship, it's hard.
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10. Sunday Bloody Sunday (1971) (5/10) 70s moviemaking at its most 70s. Bisexual love triangle, pot-smoking children, pet monkeys and toucans, this movie had everything.

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Pride month FTW
1. Becoming Julia (2003, Trans, Australia)
2. Identity: In & Beyond the Binary (2015, Queer, USA)
3. Born in Flames (1983, Lesbian, USA)
4. Man 2 Man: A Gay Man's Guide to Finding Love (2011, Gay, USA)
5. Quiet Heroes (2018, Lesbian, USA)
6. When Bette Met Mae (2014, -, USA)
7. Sunday Bloody Sunday (1971, Bisexual, UK)
8. C.R.A.Z.Y. (2005, Gay, Canada)
9. The Fall of '55 (2006, Gay, USA)
10. The Queen (1968, Queer, USA)
11. Desert Hearts (1985, Bisexual, USA)
12. Tomboy (2011, Queer, France)
13. Laerte-se (2017, Trans, Brazil) 6/10
This is a Netflix documentary about a comic strip artist from Brazil who had lived their entire life as a man until coming out as a trans-woman at about age 60. The film was mostly just an interview about their life experience. Really nice to hear this particular story, especially about transitioning so late in life and the culture in Brazil.

14. But I'm a Cheerleader (1999, Lesbian, USA) 9/10
There is a particular sort of weirdo who likes this film... and I'm exactly that weirdo. Sobriety left me too long ago to put together a coherent write-up for this, but damn was it good. Just... off the charts. Aesthetically, probably the gayest film I've ever seen. Probably the least gay thing about it was the love scenes with the two girls. (please assume best intentions with this rambling word vomit) Like everything was this over-the-top fantasy aesthetic about the gayest possible version of the 1950s White heterosexual sanitized normative; costumes, sets, writing, message, etc. But when you actually got to the love scenes, whether kissing or just an intimately personal moment, it was the cliche hetero-normative teenage romantic climax with slow romantic '90s music played over top. So familiar, yet so antithetical to the rest of the aesthetic.

Also, because apparently I feel the need to ramble on into a second paragraph about this film (and I won't lie - there's a small part of me that's doing this as a "fuck you" to my lovely dear Wife who did not like this film nearly as I did and who I'm trying to convince to join this challenge and who I want to see if she read my amazing highdeas), Richard Moll is the man. I love him. If you're old enough to have watched and enjoyed Night Court, you'll get it. I need more Richard Moll in my life. Also, I feel like this is the spiritual sibling to Saved. While in Saved, we got the perspective of the one left behind after the other was sent to gay conversion camp, in Cheerleader we got the perspective of the one sent to gay conversion camp. Kinda fucking cool.

Also, "Hi," weirdo kongs_speech. I'm eyeing you suspiciously for liking this movie so much.

Also, how about that Raging Bull reference? And the colors in that movie? Oh, and have I not talked the casting of RuPaul in this film? 8 minutes into the film I had to walk back and tell Wife that this might be the greatest casting decision in the history of cinema for putting RuPaul as the gay conversion kidnapper and hyper-heterosexual trainer. It just added to the overall aesthetic to the film and helped sell you on the satire. So yeah. I liked this movie. In a word, I would say it was "neat".
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18. Portrait de la jeune fille en feu (2019) - 7/10 - L, 2010s
A beautiful romance between a painter and her model in the 18th century. I think the most interesting was not the romance itself, but the cinematography, absolutely accurate. I really loved the ending and almost cried. Very nice movie !

19. Pride (2014) - 8/10
A great feel-good movie ! The movie has its flaws, which are, I guess, linked to its feel-good aspect (sometimes a little cheesy, over-the-top, positive characters everywhere) ; but it's such a joy to watch. I couldn't stop to smile, to cry, it was really fun and enjoyable.

20. Bound (1996) - 6/10 - 90s
This movie starts to be good when it really becomes a thriller. The first 20 minutes were boring to me, to much clichés going on, even if the plumber porn movie in a lesbian way was a nice idea. But the main actress has an annoying voice. It was done the same year as Crash (also with Elias Koteas), but where Crash succeed in the erotic and the disturbing, this one was a little bit disappointing. But the second half of the movie really interested me !
[oh, and Crash should qualify for this challenge for the omnisexual part]

21. My Brother the Devil (2012) - 6/10
A nice films about dangerous neighbourhood in England with gangs, poverty and a vast representation of ethnic minorities, especially from Maghreb. The love story isn't that interesting, but its consequences are. I liked the film, even if I had hoped for more depths ; but it's such a good thing that a movie like this one exists to give a little representation to these communities.

22. Cat on a Hot Tin Roof (1958) - 7/10 - pre-1960s
For the LGBT part, I understand why it's in it, but I'm a little annoyed by the fact that it's on the BFI list. It's a good film, really, and yes you can imagine a romantic relationship between Paul Newman and his dead friend, but it's really not that clear. It seems, according to a comment in ICM that the play is more clear about this relationship. But, right now, I don't think the movie should be on a top 100 LGBT.
But, except that, the movie was great. The acting, the comedy parts with those awful kids... I liked that Richard Brooks gives us some theater exists (at the end of some scenes where a character seems to leave the stage) and in the same time is doing a movie and not a play. Really enjoyable and now I want to read the play !
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LGBT+ : LGBT+ [finished] - [second round] : LGB
Decades : [finished] - [second round] : pre-60s, 1970s, 1990s, 2010s
Countries : USA, Canada, Argentina, France
Regions : Europe, Asia-Pacific
Personal : CRAZY
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maxwelldeux wrote: June 7th, 2021, 10:43 pm
sol wrote: June 7th, 2021, 3:04 pm I'm counting this as Bi because I need the bonus points, but if Ferg wants to overrule me, so be it. :P I'd say that Sara Foster's character is bi, but the film leaves this hazy. She begins the film with a boyfriend and the film never suggests that she isn't still attracted to guys even though she hooks up with a girl.
This is something I've been struggling with too - there seems to be a lack of true bisexual representation in film from what I've noticed. Lots of hints. Lots of experimentation. But not enough overt representation. No one really comes out and says "I identify as...", but when the film only shows one relationship, it's hard.
Agreed. There also seems to be far more gay and lesbian film lists floating around than bi lists.

Oh, and nice to have you back at full swing in the challenge series. I think this is the most active you have been in any challenge so far this year. :party:
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LGBTIQQAAP in Film
1. The Mitchells vs. the Machines (2021) USA [L]
2. What Keeps You Alive (2018) Canada [L]
3. Out at the Wedding (2007) USA [Q]
4. Enter the Phoenix (2004) Hong Kong [G]
5. The Iron Ladies (2000) Thailand [T]
6. The Old Guard (2020) USA [G]
7. Chastity Bites (2013) USA [L]
8. Chuck & Buck (2000) USA [G]
9. Saint Maud (2019) Britain [L]
10. The Prom (2020) USA [L]
11. D.E.B.S. (2004) USA [B]
12. Jeffrey (1995) USA [G]

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Worried about contracting AIDS, a gay New Yorker swears off physical intimacy, which becomes a problem when he falls for a body-building bartender in this quirky and upbeat comedy. The film is full of fantasy moments, including visits from Mother Teresa and a "just sex" game show that he imagines himself playing in alongside other gay men (see above). Patrick Stewart is also highly amusing as his best friend/mentor with some deliciously outrageous outfits.
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3. Yossi & Jagger (2002) * 65 min.

Gay love at an Israeli outpost on the Lebanon border. I liked this more than I feel that I should have.
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1. The Half of It (2020) * 104 min.
2. Girl (2018) * 106 min.
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Queer Horror Double - both involving a lesbian couple and strangers with odd behaviour. I'm counting one as Bi (can elaborate if Ferg needs me to).
LGBTIQQAAP in Film
1. The Mitchells vs. the Machines (2021) USA [L]
2. What Keeps You Alive (2018) Canada [L]
3. Out at the Wedding (2007) USA [Q]
4. Enter the Phoenix (2004) Hong Kong [G]
5. The Iron Ladies (2000) Thailand [T]
6. The Old Guard (2020) USA [G]
7. Chastity Bites (2013) USA [L]
8. Chuck & Buck (2000) USA [G]
9. Saint Maud (2019) Britain [L]
10. The Prom (2020) USA [L]
11. D.E.B.S. (2004) USA [B]
12. Jeffrey (1995) USA [G]
13. Prey (1977) UK [B]

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The plot does not make a whole lot of sense (why the couple let a strange man stay with them after assuming that he is an escaped asylum inmate) and the whole thing is very slow-burn with little overt horror except towards the end. That said, the film amply builds up suspense as we wait for him to kill them. Pacing and logic issues aside, the quality of the prosthetic effects is the film's biggest minus, but as the film fortunately rarely focuses on his makeup.

14. Lyle (2014) USA [L]

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Gaby Hoffmann is superb throughout here as a grieving mother who becomes increasingly convinced that there was something sinister about her baby's death. The film never milks any ambiguity out of the premise though. It is always very obvious that Hoffmann is not delusional and that something is up, and then the film never delves into the lore driving those involved. There's a reason why the film has earned unfavourable comparisons to Rosemary's Baby.
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3. Hamam [Steam: The Turkish Bath] (B 1997 ITA) - 8.0
4-5. Fingersmith (L 2005 GBR) - 8.0 (3 60-min episodes = 2.25 points)
6. Pixote, [Pixote, the Law of the Weakest] (Q 1981 BRA) - 8.0
7. Jin nian xi tian [Fish and Elephant] (L 2001 CHN) - 7.5ish
8. Tales of the City: Episode 1 (Q 1993 USA) - 6ish (1 60-min episode = 0.75 points)

Hamam was marketed as a sexy, steamy, romantic gay drama. I'd been looking for it for ages so was thrilled when I finally managed to find it with English subtitles. It's less sexy and erotic than the promos would have you believe, but it's a great film regardless. The male romantic pairing doesn't do anything remotely sexual/romantic until the last thirty minutes of the film, when they start to kiss. There's a lot of prelude to that, though, and you can see them getting closer and closer over time. I'm calling it Bi because the lead is into both men and women, and presumably the other guy is as well (though it's never stated one way or the other). Without giving away too much more, I recommend this film, but be prepared for more of a serious contemplative drama than a sexy one.

Fingersmith is one of those mini-series I'd been putting off for ages simply because of the length. This challenge is a good opportunity to finally get around to them (Tipping the Velvet and Oranges Are the Only Fruit are two more I have lined up). This three-hour drama starts of rather dull and typical for a period piece, except it's two women in love. Nothing really to write about, but then at the halfway mark things take a turn and the last half is a bit of a whirlwind, which was more than enough to make up for the slow first half - even though it made sense for it to be like that, lulling you into a false sense of calm and security, as if you know where things are going. I'm now more curious to see The Handmaiden, so see how they transplanted this story to Korea.

Pixote - Glad I saw this restored. Good film overall, though definitely difficult to watch at times. One supporting characters is a transgirl, but there's a general sense of queerness that permeates throughout, and she's in about 75% of the film. I skipped the Babenco documentary that was on Mubi a few months back, but now I may consider watching it since I've finally seen one of his films. There's also a doc about the lead actor, who died young.

Fish and Elephant has a definite low-budget indie quality to it. I thought the title was nicknames for the two leads, but it's actually referring to real fish and a real elephant in the film. The picture is so dark I thought the two leads were the same person until their second scene together. The actors were all non-actors, apparently, and it wouldn't surprise me if this film was shot surreptitiously. Still, while some people may be put off by its amateurishness, I quite liked it. I wish this film got a restoration, considering it's on the BFI Flare list.

Tales of the City is leaving Netflix at the end of the month, so I decided to watch it since it's only 6 episodes and it's on a couple queer lists and it's rated highly on imdb. One episode in, though, and I'm scratching my head. It's all over the place, very stilted and a tad soapy, which is surprising considering how many notable actors are in this. I'm going to give it a chance and finish it, but for now, I don't get the acclaim. Also, RPDR AS5 just arrived to Canadian Netflix one year late, so I'm really tempted to watch that, but I'm going to try and hold off so I can see other films instead.
Queer films seen
1. Dear Dad (G 2016 IND) - 6.6
2. Benjamin (G 2018 GBR) - 7.0
I'm going to update the OP and post the first weekly summary tonight, hopefully.
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1. Why did you give yourself 1 point for a 1 hour TV episode? Don't you need 80?

2. I randomly stumbled upon a playlist on "queer" in movies on this channel
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3. sad that ur keepin your list to yourself. i saved it then.

4. funny i just added Jin nian xia tian to the list of fem films minutes ago
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Armoreska wrote: June 8th, 2021, 9:52 pm 1. Why did you give yourself 1 point for a 1 hour TV episode? Don't you need 80?
3. sad that ur keepin your list to yourself. i saved it then.
1. It's a miniseries, so I followed the mini-series rule. Did I do it wrong?
3. What list?
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Fergenaprido wrote: June 8th, 2021, 10:33 pm
Armoreska wrote: June 8th, 2021, 9:52 pm 1. Why did you give yourself 1 point for a 1 hour TV episode? Don't you need 80?
1. It's a miniseries, so I followed the mini-series rule. Did I do it wrong?
The rule says 80.
- A total of 80 minutes of short films or miniseries/TV episodes counts as one entry.
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You could watch Ponyboi for 20 minutes.

19. I Told Sunset About You ep1 2/10 - 65min + burn the 19min short (Ponyboi). asian TV's still not my cup of tea in the slightest.
20. Gun Hill Road 6/10 - T
21. Wild Side [2004] 6.5/10 - T
22. Spork 8/10 - I+enbian relationship
23. Orchids: My Intersex Adventure 7/10

Anyone know which acceptable movies contain an open relationship? f.e. Wild Side did.
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mjf314 wrote: June 8th, 2021, 11:03 pm
Fergenaprido wrote: June 8th, 2021, 10:33 pm
Armoreska wrote: June 8th, 2021, 9:52 pm 1. Why did you give yourself 1 point for a 1 hour TV episode? Don't you need 80?
1. It's a miniseries, so I followed the mini-series rule. Did I do it wrong?
The rule says 80.
- A total of 80 minutes of short films or miniseries/TV episodes counts as one entry.
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Don't ask me how I missed that. For some reason I was stuck on the old rules, where episodes over 40 minutes were counted like films, and under 40 minutes were counted like shorts. Thanks for correcting me Armo and mjf. :thumbsup:

Fingersmith is only worth 2.25 points then, not 3 (3 1-hour episodes), and Tales will be worth 4.5 when I finish, so I'll look for some shorts to fill in the rest. I'll edit my post above.
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Armoreska wrote: June 4th, 2021, 12:11 am oh count Casablanca already!

XXXY 7/10 - 13 mins short
Ponyboi 6/10 - 19 mins short, 1st check
4. America's Hidden Stories: The General was Female? 7/10 - intersex
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Armoreska wrote: June 8th, 2021, 11:10 pm 19. I Told Sunset About You ep1 2/10 - 65min + burn the 19min short (Ponyboi). asian TV's still not my cup of tea in the slightest.
Are you counting Ponyboi twice? Your math is confusing me :D
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2. Stonewall uprising (11) [episode of American Experience (PBS)]

I don't know if anyone else here remembers when homosexuality was unmentionable - I had friends who were gay and I knew they were gay but we couldn't talk about it, neither could our families. This doc has a fair amount of that sort of background at the beginning, more than I knew about. I've seen other things about Stonewall but found this one riveting.
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peeptoad wrote: June 2nd, 2021, 9:19 am 2. Appropriate Behavior (B, USA, 2014) 4
Prat wrote: June 5th, 2021, 7:51 am 6. Appropriate Behavior (2014) - 6/10 - B, UK
beasterne wrote: June 7th, 2021, 3:29 am 8. Appropriate Behavior (2014) (6/10)
Bonus game - The elusive B! - 10s - USA [LGBTQ+ completed]
Just so that it's consistent for everyone, I'm calling this a British film. I know it's set in the US, but it was produced by a British company.
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All right. OP updated.

I'm using a spreadsheet to keep track of everything, so hopefully there won't be that many mistakes. If you notice something, please let me know.

The Stats.

17 participants thus far, including 2 threepeaters (Fergenaprido & 3eyes), 7 repeaters (jdidaco, sol, maxwelldeux, lineuphere, flavo5000, blocho, & hurluberlu), 2 returned souls (Armoreska & ororama), and 6 newbies (Prat, beasterne, DudeLanez, peeptoad, kongs_speech, & vortexsurfer). Welcome everyone!

Armoreska takes the lead with 23 points after the first week, followed closely by Prat with 22, and jdidaco with 20. Armo & lineuphere have already beaten their previous high scores.
In the bonus challenge, maxwelldeux has already completed the LGBTQ+ section twice, while Prat, sol, jdidaco, and beasterne have done it once. Prat's the only one to complete the decades, and Max, Prat, Armo, and jdidaco co-lead the countries/regions with 6 apiece. Armo's also the only one to see both personal films thus far.
Max leads the bonus challenge overall with 23 points, followed by Prat with 20 and Armo with 18.

My personal fave C.R.A.Z.Y. leads with 5 viewings so far, with Born in Flames at 4, and Chung gwong cha sit [Happy Together], Appropriate Behavior, But I'm a Cheerleader, and Sunday Bloody Sunday each with 3.

15 participants have seen a Gay film, 13 a Lesbian one, and 10 a Queer+ one. 1990s is the most popular decade with 13 participants, followed by the 2010s with 12.
USA leads with 15 participants, followed by Europe with 14 and Asia-Pacific with 10.

We've hit a film from every marker except North America, South America, and South Africa.
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I'm a little tired this morning and have plenty of things to do, so I'll be brief ^^

23. Carol (2015) - 6/10
It was a fine movie, but a little bit disappointing. I liked the cinematography, but the script is really classic and not so moving. Don't understand why it's #1 on BFI list, but it's still a really decent movie. I enjoyed most of it ^^

24. Querelle (1982) - 1980s - 7/10
I loved the work of Fassbinder on that one. It's poetry on screen, with a lot of thoughts in every scene. But, sometimes it was confusing and, more important, I feel that Fassbinder was not doing everything he could have done, especially with sensuality. It was supposed to be a mainstream movie (and apparently, it was a huge success when it came out in France) and you feel the restraint.

25. La niña santa (2004) 2000s - 5/10
This movie, as the others I'm watching currently, is on the BFI official list. I think that's the only decent reason to qualify this movie as LGBT.
The movie about a group of catholic girls between religious learning and discovery of sexuality has its appeal. I liked that Lucrecia Martel used these. I kinda linked the minimalistic filmmaking, but I was interested in any story, any character : just a bunch of strangers doing whatever. Not my cup of tea, unfortunatly.

26. Gods and Monsters (1998) - 6/10
A nice movie about the last few days of director James Whale. Just "nice". I liked it, it was okay. Not much to say about it :lol:

27. La ley del deseo (1987) - T, Spain - 7/10
I count that movie as Trans, but it could be Gay or Bi or Q+. There are three main characters : a gay director, a bi/pan fan and a transexual woman.
The story is pure Almodovar with every crazyness, soap-opera like, insane twists. That's really funny to watch. It's not, by far, my favorite Almodovar movie, but I still enjoyed it and enjoyed a portrait of a transexual woman in the late 1980s that is also, in the movie, a successful actress.
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LGBT+ : LGBT+ [finished] - [second round] : LGBT
Decades : [finished] - [second round] : pre-60s, 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, 2000s, 2010s
Countries : USA, Canada, Argentina, France, Spain
Regions : Europe, Asia-Pacific
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Does someone has a recommendation for a 2020-2021 Q+ movie ? Thank you :D

I struggle finding something that could fit in and I try to avoid TV-shows (if not, I'll watch a few episodes of Drag Race Down Under but I would prefer watching movies for now ^^)

Again, thank you ! And many thanks to Fergenaprido for hosting and for the update with interesting stats ! :D
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6. Todo sobre mi madre (T, Spain, 1999) All About my Mother 8
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1. Chun gwong cha sit (G, Hong Kong, 1997) Happy Together 8+
2. Appropriate Behavior (B, UK, 2014) 4
3. Victim (G, UK, 1961) 8+
4. C.R.A.Z.Y. (G, Canada, 2005) 9
5. Ci qing (L, Taiwan, 2007) Spider Lilies 7
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Fergenaprido wrote: June 9th, 2021, 12:31 am
Armoreska wrote: June 4th, 2021, 12:11 am oh count Casablanca already!

XXXY 7/10 - 13 mins short
Ponyboi 6/10 - 19 mins short, 1st check
4. America's Hidden Stories: The General was Female? 7/10 - intersex
(all on YouTube)
Armoreska wrote: June 8th, 2021, 11:10 pm 19. I Told Sunset About You ep1 2/10 - 65min + burn the 19min short (Ponyboi). asian TV's still not my cup of tea in the slightest.
Are you counting Ponyboi twice? Your math is confusing me :D
Oh wow I didn't realize the docu was an episode as it's a standalone and I used XXXY elsewhere. If standalones must count as episodes, this means I still owe 30 minutes of shorts! But I'm watching more relevant music videos (and making a second list in the process) so I'll fill that gap later on quite comfortably.:geek:

24. Hedwig and the Angry Inch 7.5/10 one person show huh. this Hedwig (John Cameron Mitchell) is quite talented at making art.
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Would like to climb aboard, albeit a tad late.

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1. Born in Flames (1983, L, USA) 8/10
2. Winter Kept Us Warm (1965, G, Canada) 8/10
3. Eating Out: Drama Camp (2011, G, USA) 5.5/10
4. Ich möchte kein Mann sein | I Don't Want to Be a Man (1918, Q, Germany) 5.5/10
5. Du er ikke alene | You Are Not Alone (1978, G, Denmark) 8/10
6. North of Vortex (1991, B, UK) 5/10
7. Young Man with a Horn (1950, L, USA) 7/10
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6. Beyond the Valley of the Dolls (1970, Meyer) 5/10 - 70s / B
7. Quinceañera (2006, Glatzer) 7/10
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1. Mishima: A Life in Four Chapters (1985, Schrader) 5/10 - USA / 80s / G
2. XXY (2007, Puenzo) 7/10 - Argentina / 00s / T
3. But I'm a Cheerleader (1999, Babbit) 6/10 - 90s / L
4. My Beautiful Laundrette (1985, Frears) 6/10 - Europe
5. Paris Is Burning (1990, Livingston) 5/10 - Q+
6. Beyond the Valley of the Dolls (1970, Meyer) 5/10 - 70s / B
7. Quinceañera (2006, Glatzer) 7/10
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Pride month FTW
1. Becoming Julia (2003, Trans, Australia)
2. Identity: In & Beyond the Binary (2015, Queer, USA)
3. Born in Flames (1983, Lesbian, USA)
4. Man 2 Man: A Gay Man's Guide to Finding Love (2011, Gay, USA)
5. Quiet Heroes (2018, Lesbian, USA)
6. When Bette Met Mae (2014, -, USA)
7. Sunday Bloody Sunday (1971, Bisexual, UK)
8. C.R.A.Z.Y. (2005, Gay, Canada)
9. The Fall of '55 (2006, Gay, USA)
10. The Queen (1968, Queer, USA)
11. Desert Hearts (1985, Bisexual, USA)
12. Tomboy (2011, Queer, France)
13. Laerte-se (2017, Trans, Brazil)
14. But I'm a Cheerleader (1999, Lesbian, USA)
15. TransMilitary (2018, Trans, USA) 7/10
This benefited from getting lucky. Clearly, this started filming before the ban on trans persons serving in the US military was lifted. And then it got lifted. So they were fortunate enough to edit this into an uplifting arc with a nice conclusion. Otherwise, I appreciated hearing their stories and learning about this particular issue.

16. Queers in the Kingdom: Let Your Light Shine (2014, Queer, USA) 5/10
So this was a doc about queer people from Wheaton College in IL, USA, a fundamentalist conservative christian college. This was honestly two docs in one. One about the queer (and allies) alumni of the college, and one about the history of evangelical colleges in the US. It was fine. Slightly annoying to know that I technically qualify for having attended a "Christian College".

17. The Bitter Tears of Petra von Kant (1972, Bisexual, Germany) 7/10
Well. Apparently I'm on a vendetta do disprove my earlier assertion that there's a lack of bisexual representation in film. Not that I'm exactly swimming in it, but there's more there than you might think. Like Petra, for example, is a woman with multiple marriages to men dating a rather obviously bisexual woman who is actively sleeping with both men and women. I know it's more recognized as a "lesbian" film, but it's really not to me.

Interesting aside, this is a solid example of a film that does NOT pass the "Ledhceb test" - where two named men talk to each other about something other than a woman. i was just surprised and interested to learn this had no male characters.
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