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Post by sol » December 27th, 2019, 5:31 am

72a has already laid claim to 1000<400. I'm not really enthused about either of the other Challenges, but I'm always here if you guys need me.

One thing - are we able to sort out now which countries will count for the Balkans Challenge? Opinions about which countries are Balkan seem to vary.

Looking at the following two maps, the countries in dispute would be Slovenia, Greece and Turkey.

- Slovenia - don't have an opinion on whether to include it or leave it for the Eastern European Challenge
- Greece - I think we should definitely include since it fits no other Official Challenge
- Turkey - seems like only the European part is considered Balkan and it probably fits better in the Middle East Challenge

Of course, I live quite far away from the area and am no expert on the geography of that region, so would love to hear other thoughts and opinions.

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Post by maxwelldeux » December 27th, 2019, 6:03 am

sol wrote:
December 27th, 2019, 5:31 am
One thing - are we able to sort out now which countries will count for the Balkans Challenge? Opinions about which countries are Balkan seem to vary.
IIRC, isn't this something can solve with a source? The countries challenges are a 2-year rotation of 24 separate regions, so what countries are included in the "Balkans" region from that source? That should answer the question...

(I'm on vacation and too not-sober to figure out how to answer my own question, hence me responding with a question)

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Post by blocho » December 27th, 2019, 6:15 am

So the geographical breakdown for challenges for the next two years includes a Balkans challenge, a Russia/USSR challenge, a Middle East challenge, and an Eastern Europe (without Russia and Balkans) challenge. There may have been debate on the exact meaning of those groupings when we determined this, but I don't recall it.

I would prefer a more limited Balkans, leaving Turkey for Middle East and Moldova/Bulgaria/Romania for Eastern Europe, but I defer to someone with greater knowledge of European geographic identity.

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#2724

Post by shugs » December 27th, 2019, 9:13 am

I can do sci-fi. Will create the thread the following two days.

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Post by sol » December 28th, 2019, 9:03 am

shugs wrote:
December 27th, 2019, 9:13 am
I can do sci-fi. Will create the thread the following two days.
Thanks!
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December 27th, 2019, 6:15 am
I would prefer a more limited Balkans, leaving Turkey for Middle East and Moldova/Bulgaria/Romania for Eastern Europe, but I defer to someone with greater knowledge of European geographic identity.
Yeah, I think we need to leave Turkey for the Middle East, especially given that only the European part of Turkey (apparently just 3%) is Balkan. This is verified in the link below.

I've done some further research, and Bulgaria and Romania constantly come up as Balkan. Moldova not so; according to dictionary.com's article, Moldova is not Balkan but Slovenia is.

I think this map best expresses the countries that we should be including in the Balkan Challenge:

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In summary, if I was to host, I would include:

Albania
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Bulgaria
Croatia
Greece
Kosovo*
Macedonia
Montenegro
Romania
Serbia
Slovenia
Yugoslavia

* Not on the map. Might be a good idea to get an image from a source that recognises Kosovo as separate from Serbia. :unsure:
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#2726

Post by maxwelldeux » December 28th, 2019, 9:07 pm

Barring a Balkan-area-residing host, why don't I take Balkans? I'd just use the countries sol listed...

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Post by albajos » December 28th, 2019, 9:11 pm

Romania is quite big, so we could discuss how much of it is in on the peninsula. Don't know how many countries that remain over for East Europe

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Post by blocho » December 28th, 2019, 11:55 pm

albajos wrote:
December 28th, 2019, 9:11 pm
Romania is quite big, so we could discuss how much of it is in on the peninsula. Don't know how many countries that remain over for East Europe
If we use sol's list, the following countries remain for the Eastern European challenge: Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Hungary, Belarus, Moldova, Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia. I think that would make for a good challenge.

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Post by sol » December 29th, 2019, 1:23 am

blocho wrote:
December 28th, 2019, 11:55 pm
the following countries remain for the Eastern European challenge: Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Hungary, Belarus, Moldova, Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia. I think that would make for a good challenge.
Agreed. One of the issues with this year's Eastern European Challenge was that it was such a massive area. Dividing the countries like this between EE and Balkan evens things out.

Poland received 110 watches in the most recent East European Challenge. The other countries with more than 20 watches were Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Greece, Romania and Yugoslavia. The currently proposed EE/Balkan split therefore gives both regions three of the six mostly widely watched countries.
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December 28th, 2019, 9:07 pm
Barring a Balkan-area-residing host, why don't I take Balkans? I'd just use the countries sol listed...
Thanks! :poshclap: I wasn't looking forward to having to debate eligibility issues, but I would have of course reluctantly hosted had you not volunteered.

Here, this might help: (Balkan map that matches up to the countries we are proposing)

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Post by sol » December 31st, 2019, 10:03 am

72aicm wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 7:41 pm
I can host the 1000<400 in January since it was my suggestion. If anyone have a cool idea for a bonus challenge I’d be happy to include it.
Just a quick note that I can host this one if you aren't available to, 72a - but I wouldn't be able to get a thread up until around ~18 hours from now.
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Post by 72aicm » December 31st, 2019, 12:37 pm

sol wrote:
December 31st, 2019, 10:03 am
72aicm wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 7:41 pm
I can host the 1000<400 in January since it was my suggestion. If anyone have a cool idea for a bonus challenge I’d be happy to include it.
Just a quick note that I can host this one if you aren't available to, 72a - but I wouldn't be able to get a thread up until around ~18 hours from now.
Been away. Thread up and going now.

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Post by 3eyes » December 31st, 2019, 3:33 pm

I'm so glad yawl got the issue of Moldovan cinema sorted. Happy New Year!
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#2733

Post by 72aicm » December 31st, 2019, 3:42 pm

Thanks to the one who edited the challenge index :cheers:

I really miss the links to the 2019 challenges though. :think:

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Post by maxwelldeux » December 31st, 2019, 4:56 pm

72aicm wrote:
December 31st, 2019, 3:42 pm
Thanks to the one who edited the challenge index :cheers:

I really miss the links to the 2019 challenges though. :think:
There was an accidental deletion of the 2019 table and I was too lazy to dig up links. :whistling:

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Post by mightysparks » January 1st, 2020, 12:25 am

Since it was me who accidentally deleted it, I’ll add the links back when I get a chance :ph43r:
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Post by sebby » January 1st, 2020, 12:38 pm

3eyes wrote:
December 31st, 2019, 3:33 pm
I'm so glad yawl got the issue of Moldovan cinema sorted. Happy New Year!
A late Christmas miracle.

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Post by 3eyes » January 2nd, 2020, 3:08 am

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Post by sol » January 26th, 2020, 4:14 pm

It's February on Saturday - less than one week to go! How are we looking for hosts at the moment?

Africa - reserved by blocho

African American/Blaxploitation

Academy Award Nominees

Any volunteers to host the other two challenges? I'm not eager to host next month, but I'll always step in if needed. ;)
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Post by albajos » January 26th, 2020, 4:31 pm

I could always do a challenge that starts with A

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Post by blocho » January 26th, 2020, 5:19 pm

If it's not too much, I'd like to also put my name down for Crime in March. I have some ideas for a good bonus challenge.

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Post by shugs » January 26th, 2020, 5:53 pm

I can host the Oscars. B)

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Post by maxwelldeux » January 26th, 2020, 9:35 pm

I can't host in Feb, but I am looking forward to the challenges...

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Post by sol » January 29th, 2020, 2:02 pm

Cool. We therefore have:

Africa - blocho

African American/Blaxploitation - albajos

Academy Award Nominees - shugs

Plus we already have hosts for 2 of 3 March Challenges too (assuming allison is still on). We're doing well. B)
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Post by albajos » January 29th, 2020, 2:46 pm

I'm still not 100% so if anyone else want to go blax go ahead

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Post by sol » January 29th, 2020, 3:40 pm

Ah, noted. I would volunteer to host myself, however, I am not really interested in getting into eligibility debates with that one.

I feel a bit lazy potentially not hosting anything during the first three months of the year, but I have some interest in the 1950s April Challenge - unless 72a wants to run the decades again.
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Post by blueboybob » January 29th, 2020, 4:22 pm

Man, doubles/triples might be really hard next month

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Post by 72aicm » January 29th, 2020, 4:34 pm

sol wrote:
January 29th, 2020, 3:40 pm
I feel a bit lazy potentially not hosting anything during the first three months of the year, but I have some interest in the 1950s April Challenge - unless 72a wants to run the decades again.
I’m not participating in the decade challenges this year so wont host them either.
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Post by blocho » January 29th, 2020, 6:15 pm

blueboybob wrote:
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Man, doubles/triples might be really hard next month
Shaft in Africa won best picture, didn't it?

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Post by albajos » January 29th, 2020, 8:43 pm

Charlize Theron is South African ;p

But the list is (Africa and Academy Award)
The Square (2013) doc
Brotherhood (2019) short
Black and White in Color
Z
Le Bal
Dust of Life
Yesterday
Tsotsi
Days of Glory
Outside the Law
Timbuktu

And for (AfAm and Academy Award)
12 Years a Slave
Get Out
Malcolm X
Hustle & Flow
Fences
Precious
Harriet
etc etc, quite a few, but we have to discuss eligiblity for some of the others. I don't start the thread yet, since I still hope someone else might be able to host.

and Hotel Rwanda, a nominated movie with a black cast, set in Africa, is just a single ;p

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Post by peeptoad » January 29th, 2020, 9:53 pm

72aicm wrote:
January 29th, 2020, 4:34 pm
sol wrote:
January 29th, 2020, 3:40 pm
I feel a bit lazy potentially not hosting anything during the first three months of the year, but I have some interest in the 1950s April Challenge - unless 72a wants to run the decades again.
I’m not participating in the decade challenges this year so wont host them either.
:)
Ok, then I can take 60s in June. I wanted that one if you weren't going to host.

Can't help for Feb, sorry. Way too busy right now. :(

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Post by flavo5000 » January 29th, 2020, 11:00 pm

Maxwelldeux hosted the African American challenge previously and has a good write-up of eligibility and what defines it: viewtopic.php?f=10&t=3540. But yea, that one is going to be pretty annoying to run, I'd guess.

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Post by allisoncm » February 16th, 2020, 7:33 am

I can host the Directed by Women challenge in March.

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Post by John Milton » February 17th, 2020, 10:10 pm

allisoncm wrote:
February 16th, 2020, 7:33 am
I can host the Directed by Women challenge in March.
Now that is a cool challenge. I'm haven't participated much until now on the forum, but this might change that!

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Post by allisoncm » February 21st, 2020, 6:51 pm

John, sounds good. We do this every year and I hope a lot of people will participate!

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Post by blocho » February 25th, 2020, 4:46 am

Who's going to take the India/Pakistan/Myanmar/Bangladesh challenge next month?

Also, is there any reason not to include Bhutan, Nepal, Sri Lanka, and Maldives in that challenge? I can't remember if those countries were discussed when the geographic challenges were decided.

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Post by maxwelldeux » February 25th, 2020, 5:21 am

blocho wrote:
February 25th, 2020, 4:46 am
Who's going to take the India/Pakistan/Myanmar/Bangladesh challenge next month?

Also, is there any reason not to include Bhutan, Nepal, Sri Lanka, and Maldives in that challenge? I can't remember if those countries were discussed when the geographic challenges were decided.
Unless someone from the area and/or who is REALLY excited about it wants to overrule me, I'll take it. I like hosting, and I have no major travel in March, so I'm game. I'm not familiar enough with the country challenge decisions to know if those were omitted because they don't have enough films or because they belong to another region, so I'd like someone else (sol? albajos?) to weigh in.

Which leaves us, tentatively, with:

India/Pakistan/Myanmar/Bangladesh: maxwelldeux, The Great
Crime: blocho, The Fantastic
Directed by Women: allisoncm, The Amazing

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Post by RogerTheMovieManiac88 » February 25th, 2020, 6:41 am

I remember someone (Albajos perhaps?) advocating for Sri Lanka being included in the SE Asia Challenge. My leaning, however, would be towards putting it in next month's challenge. It seems to me to be more appropriately considered as part of the Indian sub-continent than as part of SE Asia (cricket, politics, religion, and geographical proximity). I hadn't previously thought of the other countries/regions that blocho mentions, in all honesty, but I feel that they should also be part of next month's challenge.
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Post by albajos » February 25th, 2020, 8:59 am

This was orginally a India only challenge, the additions are just there because of historical british India. Adding even more makes no sense as people will generally see movies from India anyway, so they will just be crushed by the giant in amount of movies available.

Same reason were running Russia alone and not all of the Soviets.

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Post by sol » February 25th, 2020, 9:14 am

This is our current breakdown of Asia in the Challenge schedule:

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Don't really have strong objections or inclinations with shaking that up.

If we stick to the original plan though, here's an image for next month:

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Post by RogerTheMovieManiac88 » February 25th, 2020, 9:23 am

Yes, but then we would be shoe-horning Sri-Lanka and the others into SE Asia where they would be just as likely to get crushed. Plus, I think the places blocho mentions have way more in common with India than with the south-east of Asia.

I'm planning to focus almost entirely on India anyway as I have so many TV recordings stored up, but I suppose the inclusion of Sri Lanka might encourage me to look into film-makers such as Lester James Peries and his wife.

Just my perspective. I'll leave it up to maxwell, or whoever ends up hosting. One of the challenges I have been most looking forward to this year!
That's all, folks!

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