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#41

Post by Ebbywebby » May 12th, 2019, 10:04 pm

So few replies, and everyone's so keen to flaunt their indifference, but if this list somehow became official, suddenly the gang would be frantic to find these films in challenge, WeTransfer and film-request threads. That just ain't right.

The films I haven't seen from the list are almost exactly 50/50 between official and unofficial films, but loads of them interest me. It's often hard to be sure, however, because so many of them have minimal IMDb content (zero reviews, etc.) I'm curious who nominated all these obscurities, but if I'm reading the past thread right, the original poll was based on just 24 nomination lists?

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#42

Post by Ebbywebby » May 12th, 2019, 10:39 pm

The tallies on the Stephen Dwoskin list seem relatively proportional. If the Mafia had to trim its members, I suppose we could snuff the <200 folks.

[68 of the 611 films have zero checks, so...]

**insomnius 409 checked**

allisoncm 303
Apu 265
Armoreska 357
BaalMan 258
bal3x 264
beavis 160
blueboybob 271
Ceyyhun 229
cobac 203
Dark Pilgrim 277
Dimitris Psachos Springer 235
Ebbywebby 357
epp 261
Fitz of Fury 229
Gary OldMan 215
GlassMoon 224
greennui 239
GregT 260
Gremlo 197
hugus 264
JamesCameronScholar 210
jerry warton 196
JF-UK 310
jlfitz 233
joachimt 256
kierkegaardian 237
Limbesdautomne 221
mogliss 233
Mothravka 194
nymets138 244
onuryz 211
OttoElPiloto 308
Perceval 232
Rich 189
RonJensen 243
russa03 193
san-te 248
SanderO 248
serriform 251
shakha 274
Sien 247
sinapsis 299
spheric 218
sushantv10 227
theBlackLodge 250
TigerLily76 248
tourdesb 222
tristanb 231
videographico 248
vivresavie 188
WalterNeff 265
winds 151
XxXApathy420XxX 211
yormovies 228
Zuma 239

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#43

Post by joachimt » May 13th, 2019, 6:49 am

Ebbywebby wrote:
May 12th, 2019, 10:04 pm
The films I haven't seen from the list are almost exactly 50/50 between official and unofficial films, but loads of them interest me. It's often hard to be sure, however, because so many of them have minimal IMDb content (zero reviews, etc.) I'm curious who nominated all these obscurities, but if I'm reading the past thread right, the original poll was based on just 24 nomination lists?
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allisoncm
bal3x
beavis (unranked)
Caracortada
Carmel98
connordenney
Dolwphin
Ettinauer226XL
frbrown
funkybusiness
Gershwin (unranked)
insomnius (unranked)
jvv (unranked)
Lilarcor
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mathiasa
Melvelet (unranked)
mjf314
MNA
Perception de Ambiguity
perceval
sushantv10
themagician (unranked)
TraverseTown
zuma
Out of 1503 titles, 851 titles received only 1 vote. 332 of those were PdA's vote.
The highest movie with 1 vote is #397. The highest movie with 2 votes is #159.
I'm not surprised people won't dive into this further. Maybe the top 300 or so.
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#44

Post by funkybusiness » May 13th, 2019, 6:54 am

Ebbywebby wrote:
May 11th, 2019, 10:22 pm
I'm always intrigued at the prevalence of Iranian films that are all about puncturing the wall between reality and film fiction. I don't know how that motif began. There's a few of these that I'd still like to see. Like "Ayneh," for instance (I had to look up the title).
perhaps it has something to do with representation in Islamic art? That's why all the old art in those amazing buildings is calligraphic because the Quran says don't create representations of God's creations, so maybe a documentary or social realism style/tint is sort of skirting the rules? probably not a literal thing, like there were rules in place, but maybe there's some influence of that older idea seeping into that seemingly typical Iranian style you mentioned.

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#45

Post by fori » May 13th, 2019, 9:39 am

Ebbywebby wrote:
May 12th, 2019, 10:04 pm
So few replies
Spare a thought for my threads, which have rarely attracted this much attention. I don’t think this idea is very interesting, and I find the 2016 list neither precise in application of the experimental label, nor comprehensive.

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Post by Fergenaprido » May 13th, 2019, 10:48 am

Ebbywebby wrote:
May 12th, 2019, 10:04 pm
So few replies, and everyone's so keen to flaunt their indifference, but if this list somehow became official, suddenly the gang would be frantic to find these films in challenge, WeTransfer and film-request threads. That just ain't right.

The films I haven't seen from the list are almost exactly 50/50 between official and unofficial films, but loads of them interest me. It's often hard to be sure, however, because so many of them have minimal IMDb content (zero reviews, etc.) I'm curious who nominated all these obscurities, but if I'm reading the past thread right, the original poll was based on just 24 nomination lists?
I just checked and I've seen 321 films from that list, but only 68 of them are unofficial. Most of them are also shorts or short features under 80 minutes. I also didn't participate in the poll; if anything, I'm part of the anti-experimental mafia :p
I have 10 favourites and 100 dislikes from those films thus far :whistling:
I may hit 600 checks on this list eventually, but it will be by happenstance if at all. I'm sorry to say that this genre just doesn't pique my interest at all.

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Post by Ebbywebby » May 20th, 2019, 8:58 pm

Golly. Until today, I never realized Gunvor Nelson is a woman. I wish I could find her film "Natural Features."

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Post by Knaldskalle » May 20th, 2019, 10:47 pm

Ebbywebby wrote:
May 12th, 2019, 10:04 pm
So few replies, and everyone's so keen to flaunt their indifference, but if this list somehow became official, suddenly the gang would be frantic to find these films in challenge, WeTransfer and film-request threads. That just ain't right.
:lol:

The power of an official check is irresistible to people here!

I'm at 344, so I guess I'm not eligible to join the elite. That's okay. I like some avant-garde, some I don't. I have to be in the right mood, to be honest, and that doesn't always happen.
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Post by Tim2460 » May 20th, 2019, 11:07 pm

Haven't finished hunting the official shorts... I'm only @550 on the experimental list !

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Post by zzzorf » May 30th, 2019, 9:59 pm

The fact that I only have 35 checks on the list in question and of them the majority I dislike I can safely say this is a mafia I will not be joining anytime soon.

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#51

Post by Ebbywebby » June 10th, 2019, 3:58 am

Ebbywebby wrote:
May 11th, 2019, 9:20 pm
1139. LA Plays Itself
Well, yes, it's gay porn. But it does have some artistic value with its reflective nature footage and two-layer imagery. And about half the film is just one or two guys hiking around in creeks or the woods. It all feels very, very '70s, and "Los Angeles Plays Itself" is far superior. ;)

1140. Passion
Not easy to sit through at 50+ minutes. Punishing, industrial score plus endless, wordless montage. Apparently a tribute to the pregnancy of the filmmaker's wife, so the mix includes plenty of birth imagery, both metaphorical and literal.

1141. The Exception and the Rule
https://myvideo.cc/movies/dzNTMHdaK0Qxd ... 2w2cGVlVT0
Interesting, duelling-directors document of Pakistani unrest and street life, with lots of experimental editing, Steve Reich-esque sound loops and disruptive meta-commentary about political filmmaking and the process of shooting the film. It even has an "Intermission"...ha. Feels more European than Middle Eastern, despite the subject matter. Frustrating that a couple of segments are left unsubtitled. Wow...I'm only the second one to check this.

I put off watching #1141 for awhile...had it bookmarked for months. Now that I've seen it, I have just 36 unseen shorts left from the poll and lack a solid way to see any of them. I think "Plot Point" is on KG and it looked like maybe "Tarahumaras 78" was recently shared here.... Otherwise, I don't know. Lots of issues with missing subs.
1142. Tarahumaras 78 1979...I can't even remember this anymore. :)
1143. Harbor Drift 1929...above-average German silent
1144. Coup d'Etat 1973...very good, had been high in my Amazon Prime queue for awhile

In the last two cases, it was just coincidence that they're on this list.

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Post by joachimt » June 10th, 2019, 5:52 am

Without trying I watched five more so I'm at 770 now. Next in line is Passion (1990).
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Post by Ebbywebby » June 10th, 2019, 7:12 am

I'd watch Passion too.

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#54

Post by Ebbywebby » June 10th, 2019, 7:32 am

Random stat: Of the original 56 Mafia names, only 19 of them haven't checked anything further from the list in the time since.

Some folks who have checked quite a few more....

yormovies: 13 more
Mothravka: 12 more
russa03: 10 more
blueboybob: 9 more
bal3x: 8 more

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Post by Ebbywebby » June 18th, 2019, 3:37 am

1145. News from Home (1977)...dull at first, but it hooked me as the mother's letters grew more whiny and repetitive. :)

This was on TCM last night...the most experimental film TCM has ever showed, perhaps? I'd say this one is even more extreme than "Jeanne Dielman."

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