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#41

Post by Ebbywebby » May 12th, 2019, 10:04 pm

So few replies, and everyone's so keen to flaunt their indifference, but if this list somehow became official, suddenly the gang would be frantic to find these films in challenge, WeTransfer and film-request threads. That just ain't right.

The films I haven't seen from the list are almost exactly 50/50 between official and unofficial films, but loads of them interest me. It's often hard to be sure, however, because so many of them have minimal IMDb content (zero reviews, etc.) I'm curious who nominated all these obscurities, but if I'm reading the past thread right, the original poll was based on just 24 nomination lists?

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#42

Post by Ebbywebby » May 12th, 2019, 10:39 pm

The tallies on the Stephen Dwoskin list seem relatively proportional. If the Mafia had to trim its members, I suppose we could snuff the <200 folks.

[68 of the 611 films have zero checks, so...]

**insomnius 409 checked**

allisoncm 303
Apu 265
Armoreska 357
BaalMan 258
bal3x 264
beavis 160
blueboybob 271
Ceyyhun 229
cobac 203
Dark Pilgrim 277
Dimitris Psachos Springer 235
Ebbywebby 357
epp 261
Fitz of Fury 229
Gary OldMan 215
GlassMoon 224
greennui 239
GregT 260
Gremlo 197
hugus 264
JamesCameronScholar 210
jerry warton 196
JF-UK 310
jlfitz 233
joachimt 256
kierkegaardian 237
Limbesdautomne 221
mogliss 233
Mothravka 194
nymets138 244
onuryz 211
OttoElPiloto 308
Perceval 232
Rich 189
RonJensen 243
russa03 193
san-te 248
SanderO 248
serriform 251
shakha 274
Sien 247
sinapsis 299
spheric 218
sushantv10 227
theBlackLodge 250
TigerLily76 248
tourdesb 222
tristanb 231
videographico 248
vivresavie 188
WalterNeff 265
winds 151
XxXApathy420XxX 211
yormovies 228
Zuma 239

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#43

Post by joachimt » May 13th, 2019, 6:49 am

Ebbywebby wrote:
May 12th, 2019, 10:04 pm
The films I haven't seen from the list are almost exactly 50/50 between official and unofficial films, but loads of them interest me. It's often hard to be sure, however, because so many of them have minimal IMDb content (zero reviews, etc.) I'm curious who nominated all these obscurities, but if I'm reading the past thread right, the original poll was based on just 24 nomination lists?
25 participantsShow
allisoncm
bal3x
beavis (unranked)
Caracortada
Carmel98
connordenney
Dolwphin
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frbrown
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Gershwin (unranked)
insomnius (unranked)
jvv (unranked)
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Melvelet (unranked)
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Perception de Ambiguity
perceval
sushantv10
themagician (unranked)
TraverseTown
zuma
Out of 1503 titles, 851 titles received only 1 vote. 332 of those were PdA's vote.
The highest movie with 1 vote is #397. The highest movie with 2 votes is #159.
I'm not surprised people won't dive into this further. Maybe the top 300 or so.
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#44

Post by funkybusiness » May 13th, 2019, 6:54 am

Ebbywebby wrote:
May 11th, 2019, 10:22 pm
I'm always intrigued at the prevalence of Iranian films that are all about puncturing the wall between reality and film fiction. I don't know how that motif began. There's a few of these that I'd still like to see. Like "Ayneh," for instance (I had to look up the title).
perhaps it has something to do with representation in Islamic art? That's why all the old art in those amazing buildings is calligraphic because the Quran says don't create representations of God's creations, so maybe a documentary or social realism style/tint is sort of skirting the rules? probably not a literal thing, like there were rules in place, but maybe there's some influence of that older idea seeping into that seemingly typical Iranian style you mentioned.

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#45

Post by fori » May 13th, 2019, 9:39 am

Ebbywebby wrote:
May 12th, 2019, 10:04 pm
So few replies
Spare a thought for my threads, which have rarely attracted this much attention. I don’t think this idea is very interesting, and I find the 2016 list neither precise in application of the experimental label, nor comprehensive.

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#46

Post by Fergenaprido » May 13th, 2019, 10:48 am

Ebbywebby wrote:
May 12th, 2019, 10:04 pm
So few replies, and everyone's so keen to flaunt their indifference, but if this list somehow became official, suddenly the gang would be frantic to find these films in challenge, WeTransfer and film-request threads. That just ain't right.

The films I haven't seen from the list are almost exactly 50/50 between official and unofficial films, but loads of them interest me. It's often hard to be sure, however, because so many of them have minimal IMDb content (zero reviews, etc.) I'm curious who nominated all these obscurities, but if I'm reading the past thread right, the original poll was based on just 24 nomination lists?
I just checked and I've seen 321 films from that list, but only 68 of them are unofficial. Most of them are also shorts or short features under 80 minutes. I also didn't participate in the poll; if anything, I'm part of the anti-experimental mafia :p
I have 10 favourites and 100 dislikes from those films thus far :whistling:
I may hit 600 checks on this list eventually, but it will be by happenstance if at all. I'm sorry to say that this genre just doesn't pique my interest at all.

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Post by Ebbywebby » May 20th, 2019, 8:58 pm

Golly. Until today, I never realized Gunvor Nelson is a woman. I wish I could find her film "Natural Features."

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Post by Knaldskalle » May 20th, 2019, 10:47 pm

Ebbywebby wrote:
May 12th, 2019, 10:04 pm
So few replies, and everyone's so keen to flaunt their indifference, but if this list somehow became official, suddenly the gang would be frantic to find these films in challenge, WeTransfer and film-request threads. That just ain't right.
:lol:

The power of an official check is irresistible to people here!

I'm at 344, so I guess I'm not eligible to join the elite. That's okay. I like some avant-garde, some I don't. I have to be in the right mood, to be honest, and that doesn't always happen.
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#49

Post by Tim2460 » May 20th, 2019, 11:07 pm

Haven't finished hunting the official shorts... I'm only @550 on the experimental list !

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Post by zzzorf » May 30th, 2019, 9:59 pm

The fact that I only have 35 checks on the list in question and of them the majority I dislike I can safely say this is a mafia I will not be joining anytime soon.

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#51

Post by Ebbywebby » June 10th, 2019, 3:58 am

Ebbywebby wrote:
May 11th, 2019, 9:20 pm
1139. LA Plays Itself
Well, yes, it's gay porn. But it does have some artistic value with its reflective nature footage and two-layer imagery. And about half the film is just one or two guys hiking around in creeks or the woods. It all feels very, very '70s, and "Los Angeles Plays Itself" is far superior. ;)

1140. Passion
Not easy to sit through at 50+ minutes. Punishing, industrial score plus endless, wordless montage. Apparently a tribute to the pregnancy of the filmmaker's wife, so the mix includes plenty of birth imagery, both metaphorical and literal.

1141. The Exception and the Rule
https://myvideo.cc/movies/dzNTMHdaK0Qxd ... 2w2cGVlVT0
Interesting, duelling-directors document of Pakistani unrest and street life, with lots of experimental editing, Steve Reich-esque sound loops and disruptive meta-commentary about political filmmaking and the process of shooting the film. It even has an "Intermission"...ha. Feels more European than Middle Eastern, despite the subject matter. Frustrating that a couple of segments are left unsubtitled. Wow...I'm only the second one to check this.

I put off watching #1141 for awhile...had it bookmarked for months. Now that I've seen it, I have just 36 unseen shorts left from the poll and lack a solid way to see any of them. I think "Plot Point" is on KG and it looked like maybe "Tarahumaras 78" was recently shared here.... Otherwise, I don't know. Lots of issues with missing subs.
1142. Tarahumaras 78 1979...I can't even remember this anymore. :)
1143. Harbor Drift 1929...above-average German silent
1144. Coup d'Etat 1973...very good, had been high in my Amazon Prime queue for awhile

In the last two cases, it was just coincidence that they're on this list.

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Post by joachimt » June 10th, 2019, 5:52 am

Without trying I watched five more so I'm at 770 now. Next in line is Passion (1990).
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#53

Post by Ebbywebby » June 10th, 2019, 7:12 am

I'd watch Passion too.

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#54

Post by Ebbywebby » June 10th, 2019, 7:32 am

Random stat: Of the original 56 Mafia names, only 19 of them haven't checked anything further from the list in the time since.

Some folks who have checked quite a few more....

yormovies: 13 more
Mothravka: 12 more
russa03: 10 more
blueboybob: 9 more
bal3x: 8 more

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Post by Ebbywebby » June 18th, 2019, 3:37 am

1145. News from Home (1977)...dull at first, but it hooked me as the mother's letters grew more whiny and repetitive. :)

This was on TCM last night...the most experimental film TCM has ever showed, perhaps? I'd say this one is even more extreme than "Jeanne Dielman."

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#56

Post by Ebbywebby » September 22nd, 2019, 9:33 am

1146. Reflections of Evil 2002
1147. Millennium Actress 2001
1148. Heroic Purgatory 1970 -- easily my favorite of these
1149. Titicut Follies 1967
1150. Mysterious Object at Noon 2000

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#57

Post by Ebbywebby » November 1st, 2019, 10:58 am

Four more within the past day or so, all via Kanopy.

1151. A Day in Santa Fe (1931)...zzzzz
1152. Blue (1993)...pretty engrossing, considering its obvious handicap.
1153. By the Law (1926)...hoped it would engage me more. Great if you're turned on by women with bulging eyes, though.
1154. The Day He Arrives (2011)...did not enjoy this.

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#58

Post by Ebbywebby » April 27th, 2020, 12:43 am

I'm up to 1166 films seen from this poll now, though I ran out of easy shorts to see and don't really "work" on the list anymore. The most notable films I've checked since November include "Mandara," "Numero Deux," "Dah," "Helas Pour Moi" and "The Round-Up." But I didn't recall they ranked in this poll until after I was through watching them.

Actually, I'm more here to point out an experimental-themed list I recently added. It has plenty of practical use, because it tells you where to see 350 experimental/avant-garde films. They're about 95% shorts.

https://beta.icheckmovies.com/lists/355 ... htcone.org

I know "Portrait of a Young Man in Three Movements" is both at Lightcone and in this ICM poll list....

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#59

Post by jvv » April 27th, 2020, 8:53 am

jvv wrote:
May 12th, 2019, 2:23 pm
I'm at 590 now. I guess I will accidentally enter the club some time in the future.
Apparently I entered the club, since I'm at 600 now. I probably watched some of the experimental shorts.

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Post by Fergenaprido » April 27th, 2020, 9:37 am

Fergenaprido wrote:
May 13th, 2019, 10:48 am
I just checked and I've seen 321 films from that list, but only 68 of them are unofficial. Most of them are also shorts or short features under 80 minutes. I also didn't participate in the poll; if anything, I'm part of the anti-experimental mafia :p
I have 10 favourites and 100 dislikes from those films thus far :whistling:
I may hit 600 checks on this list eventually, but it will be by happenstance if at all. I'm sorry to say that this genre just doesn't pique my interest at all.
So, almost a year later and I'm only up to 370. And with Onderhond's new script, I now see I have 115 dislikes (31% of my views). Maybe if I work on this list hard enough I can hit 50% :p
I only have 382 dislikes in total, which means 30% of all of my entire dislikes are from this list. tehe

I think it's safe to say that this is a genre I am largely unable to appreciate/just don't get. :D

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Post by Ebbywebby » April 27th, 2020, 9:57 am

Fergenaprido wrote:
May 13th, 2019, 10:48 am
30% of all of my entire dislikes are from this list.
(D:)

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Post by Tim2460 » April 27th, 2020, 11:35 am

I was arrested yesterday

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Seems i joined the Experimental Mafia @674 Checks

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Post by Onderhond » April 27th, 2020, 11:54 am

Seen: 212/1503
Highest unchecked: Entr'acte (#7)
Number of favorites: 32/212 (15%)
Highest favorite: Eraserhead (#16)
Number of dislikes: 66/212 (31%)
Highest dislike: Leviathan (#5)
Unofficial films: 726/1503 (48%)

I'm also at roughly 1/3 dislikes, on the other hand 15% favorites is quite a high number for me. Bit hit & miss in other words. Probably a bit too miss to really start exploring this list though. Also still a long way off from official mafia status, so that's not really a motivation either.

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Post by Lilarcor » April 27th, 2020, 2:15 pm

Seen 458/1503. 15% of my favorites are on this list (25 films), 2% of my dislikes (3 films). If I counted my 8/10s as favorites maybe half of what I have seen so far would be favorites.

Highest favorite: Leviathan (#5)
Highest dislike: Sedmikrásky (#20)

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Post by Ebbywebby » April 27th, 2020, 7:19 pm

Ebbywebby wrote:
April 27th, 2020, 12:43 am
I'm up to 1166 films seen from this poll now
And now I'm at 1167, because I FINALLY finished "The Cremaster Cycle" last night. Only took me six years. I really did not enjoy it much.

Updated mafia roster?

allisoncm 924 checks (+11 checks since May 2019)
Apu 801 (+56)
Armoreska 1132 (+5)
BaalMan 664 (+11)
bal3x 803 (+26)
beavis 779 (+40)
blueboybob 893 (+97!)
Ceyyhun 639 (+8)
Dimitris Psachos Springer 792 (+13)
Ebbywebby 1167 (+29)
epp 772 (+3)
Fitz of Fury 671 (+5)
Gary OldMan 639 (+1)
GlassMoon 706 (+0…hasn't checked any film in 17 months)
greennui 938 (+52)
GregT 804 (+2)
Gremlo 717 (+20)
hugus 631 (+0…also signed off?)
insomnius 1148 (+9)
JamesCameronScholar 692 (+0…heaven knows what's up with this guy)
jeroenO 847 (+34, formerly "Dark Pilgrim")
jerry warton 629 (+0…hasn't checked a film in 32 months)
JF-UK 928 (+13)
jlfitz 747 (+24)
***jvv 600
joachimt 787 (+22)
kierkegaardian 636 (+8)
Limbesdautomne 646 (+12)
mogliss 659 (+0…no checks in over three years)
Mothravka 846 (+113...golly!)
***muzzlehatch 616 (+28?)
nymets138 744 (+30)
onuryz 808 (+33)
OttoElPiloto 693 (+23)
Perceval 842 (+10)
Rich 705 (+49)
RonJensen 772 (+39)
russa03 689 (+25)
san-te 794 (+16)
SanderO 741 (+5)
serriform 799 (+0…no checks in 23 months)
shakha 762 (+24)
Sien 773 (+32)
sinapsis 1181 (+114…his tally allegedly has passed mine, but he's not a Mafia member in good standing)
spheric 643 (+16)
sushantv10 635 (+11)
theBlackLodge 707 (+20)
TigerLily76 750 (+52)
***Tim2460 674
tourdesb 718 (+11)
tristanb 665 (+14)
videographico 875 (+0…also dormant?)
vivresavie 609 (+0, even though this person is only dormant for the past six weeks)
WalterNeff 661 (+23…never going to be a made man until he kisses Godard's ring)
winds 609 (+4)
XxXApathy420XxX 817 (+7)
yormovies 855 (+48)
Zuma 767 (+32)

"Cobac" ("fori"?) is out of the Mafia until I know what his new handle is. Anyone?

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