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Documentary Challenge (Official, December 2018)

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Documentary Challenge (Official, December 2018)

#1

Post by tourdesb » November 25th, 2018, 9:48 pm

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Goal
Watch as many documentaries as you can through December.


Usual Rules
- Rewatches allowed
- A feature film (Anything 40 minutes or over) counts as one entry
- A total of 60 minutes of short films counts as one entry
- For Mini-Series (40 minute episodes or longer) each episode counts as an entry
- For Mini-Series with shorter episodes, the 60 minute rule applies

Challenge runs from December 1st, 2018 - December 31st, 2018


Useful Links

Official Lists
100 Documentary Films (BFI Screen Guide)
IMDb Documentary Top 50
Harvard University's Suggested Film Viewing List: Non-Fiction Films (2012)
Sight and Sound -The Greatest Documentaries of All Time

Some Unofficial Lists
About Film: Recommended Movie-Themed Documentaries
Academy Award Best Documentary Feature Nominees
Academy Award Best Documentary Feature Winers
All Essay-Films
Brighton Film Academy's 100 Documentary Films to Watch
Cinematic Essay Filmography by Peter Thompson
Criterion Collection Themes - Documentaries
Current TV's 50 Documentaries to See Before You Die
DFI's Top 100 Danish Documentary Films
Documentaries About the Environment and Ecology
The Documentary Blog's Top 50 Documentaries of the Decade
Documentary films about Agriculture
Filmspotting Top 100 Documentaries
Flavorwire's 50 Best Documentaries of All Time
Football documentaries
The Guardian's 50 documentaries you need to see
iCM Forum's Top 250 Highest Rated Documentaries
iCheckMovies' Most Favorite Documentaries
Kansu's List of Documentaries for an Educated Mind
Kasparius' Favorite Documentaries
Metal Documentaries
One Hundred Great Documentaries (OUP)
Paste Magazine: The 100 Best Documentaries of All Time
Rock Documentaries and concert films
Sundance Film Festival - Documentary Grand Jury Prize
Time Out New York 50 Best Documentaries
Top Music Documentaries (RYM)
True crime documentaries
Viennale's The Way of the Termite: The Essay in Film 1909-2004


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maxwelldeux - 49
albajos - 32
tourdesb - 31
jdidaco - 30
flavo5000 - 27
Knaldskalle - 19
sebby - 19
allisoncm - 15
72allinncallme - 14
hurluberlu - 13
India Istanbul - 13
psychotronicbeatnik - 11
vortexsurfer - 10
Simba63 - 9
Mate_cosido - 7
jeroeno - 6
flaiky - 5
sol - 5
mightysparks - 4
OldAle1 - 4
ororama - 4
3eyes - 3
Daviddoes - 3
45MinuteZoom - 2
blocho - 2
nimimerkillinen - 2
shugs - 2
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#2

Post by tourdesb » November 25th, 2018, 9:50 pm

As for me, my stats on the 4 official lists before the challenge :
Harvard : 10 left
BFI : 5 left
S&S : 45 left
IMDb : 4 left

I'll probably watch several from these lists but I'll concentrate on the second half of my Wiseman marathon and the Criterion Olympic games + possibly a few documentary mini-series.

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Post by 72allinncallme » November 25th, 2018, 10:02 pm

In! I had a blast last year. Nothing says Christmas like watching some depressive documentaries :lol:
Thanks for hosting tourdesb.

Harvard : 63/122
BFI : 70/118
S&S : 135/265
IMDb : 24/50

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Post by maxwelldeux » November 25th, 2018, 11:23 pm

Woohoo!!!!! My favorite challenge of the year!

This is the only genre I can binge-watch without getting tired of it. And one of the few I can get my wife obsessed with, too. Time to play with the big kids...

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Post by Fergenaprido » November 26th, 2018, 4:26 am

I'm curious as to the reasoning behind deviating from the standard for minimum-length for feature films and episodes of 40 minutes, changing it to 45 minutes.

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Post by tourdesb » November 26th, 2018, 11:03 am

Fergenaprido wrote:
November 26th, 2018, 4:26 am
I'm curious as to the reasoning behind deviating from the standard for minimum-length for feature films and episodes of 40 minutes, changing it to 45 minutes.
I just copy-pasted from one of the previous Documentary challenges I hosted back in 2016.
Dunno why it was 45 and not 40, maybe at the time it was the standard rule. Anymay, I'll edit the OP.


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Post by Knaldskalle » November 27th, 2018, 5:53 am

I'm in as well.
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Post by sol » November 28th, 2018, 1:23 pm

Plus: Academy Award Winners for Best Documentary Feature ?

I lose track if you're mod on iCM as well as the forum, but maybe someone in the know can tell us whether this option got in before the Challenge begins?
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Post by OldAle1 » November 28th, 2018, 3:42 pm

Well I'm in. I had a goal early on of hitting 10 on every challenge and I've managed to make it so far, so I'll close out the year with same. Don't know how many I'll see as I'm thinking of doing Shoah and another long one or two, but apart from those I'll probably concentrate on docs about film or the arts, the area I'm most interested in, rather than working on any official lists which I'm weaker on than I am in most categories/genres.

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Post by maxwelldeux » November 28th, 2018, 5:01 pm

OldAle1 wrote:
November 28th, 2018, 3:42 pm
Well I'm in. I had a goal early on of hitting 10 on every challenge and I've managed to make it so far, so I'll close out the year with same. Don't know how many I'll see as I'm thinking of doing Shoah and another long one or two, but apart from those I'll probably concentrate on docs about film or the arts, the area I'm most interested in, rather than working on any official lists which I'm weaker on than I am in most categories/genres.
I'm with you on Shoah - just waiting for it to arrive from the library. Out of curiosity, do you have access to Kanopy?

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Post by flaiky » November 28th, 2018, 5:09 pm

My advice on Shoah: don't fall into the trap of thinking you need to watch it all in one go. It has its own divisions anyway (at least the version I watched did) and it's totally sensible to treat it like a docuseries. I got through it in 4-5 sittings and that was perfect. Anything less would cause burn out and lessen the impact IMO (unless you genuinely can't look away, I guess).
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Post by maxwelldeux » November 28th, 2018, 5:16 pm

flaiky wrote:
November 28th, 2018, 5:09 pm
My advice on Shoah: don't fall into the trap of thinking you need to watch it all in one go. It has its own divisions anyway (at least the version I watched did) and it's totally sensible to treat it like a docuseries. I got through it in 4-5 sittings and that was perfect. Anything less would cause burn out and lessen the impact IMO (unless you genuinely can't look away, I guess).
Oh yeah - that's the plan. I did the first two discs (of six) in the set last year, and hope to actually finish it and check it this year.

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Post by albajos » November 28th, 2018, 5:20 pm

On DVD it's divided on several discs, so the pauses come naturally.

(You have to see all of it for a challenge though. Not 4/6.)

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Post by flaiky » November 28th, 2018, 5:26 pm

Cool. But I've definitely come across several people saying they watched it all, or intend to watch it all, in one go because they "don't like pausing films". It genuinely shouldn't be regarded as a regular film IMO.
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Post by flaiky » November 28th, 2018, 5:39 pm

Oh and Max, are you going to watch The Staircase? You said you were interested in it, nudge nudge, 13 points available... :whistling:

I'll watch The Red Pill btw.
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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » November 28th, 2018, 6:06 pm

sol wrote:
November 28th, 2018, 1:23 pm
Plus: Academy Award Winners for Best Documentary Feature ?

I lose track if you're mod on iCM as well as the forum, but maybe someone in the know can tell us whether this option got in before the Challenge begins?
It did well in the poll, it's not getting adopted soon but will be considered in the future.

If I get back into watching movies I hope to participate in this challenge. I have a list of docs ready to go, but we'll see if I get around to it.

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Post by maxwelldeux » November 28th, 2018, 6:20 pm

flaiky wrote:
November 28th, 2018, 5:39 pm
Oh and Max, are you going to watch The Staircase? You said you were interested in it, nudge nudge, 13 points available... :whistling:

I'll watch The Red Pill btw.
Thanks for the reminder! Added it to my watchlist... nothing like a murder to lighten the mood after binge-watching docs on the systematic genocide of an entire people... :circle:

(And I suspect I'll enjoy The Staircase more than you'll enjoy The Red Pill...)

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Post by 72allinncallme » November 28th, 2018, 6:28 pm

flaiky wrote:
November 28th, 2018, 5:26 pm
Cool. But I've definitely come across several people saying they watched it all, or intend to watch it all, in one go because they "don't like pausing films". It genuinely shouldn't be regarded as a regular film IMO.
I watched all of it pretty mutch in one go. And I’m glad I didn’t watch it in several sittings. :)

Speaking of long docs. I plan to see both Tiexi qu, As I Was Moving Ahead... and The Hour of the Furnaces for this challenge. :run:

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Post by sol » December 1st, 2018, 5:50 am

It starts!

1. Stories We Tell (2012)

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Many fascinating themes and ideas come to light here, most notably how it is impossible to ever really "get at the truth" when truth only exists as conflicting memories and testimonies rather than recorded events. There is also an acute bit in which a relative asks Polley what she thinks that her film is going to be about before apologising for "breaking the fourth wall". With everything conveyed through verbal recounts (as opposed to intimate interviews), the film is a little emotionally distanced, but this was a pretty cool first film to watch this month.
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Post by vortexsurfer » December 1st, 2018, 10:12 am

In.

1. Video Nasties: Moral Panic, Censorship & Videotape (Jake West, 2010)
2. Video Nasties: Draconian Days (Jake West, 2014)

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Post by nimimerkillinen » December 1st, 2018, 10:37 am

1. Anvil: The Story of Anvil (2008) liked it

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Post by hurluberlu » December 1st, 2018, 11:17 am

1. Mapplethorpe: Look at the Pictures (Fenton Bailey, Randy Barbato, 2016) 8
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Post by blueboybob » December 1st, 2018, 11:40 am

If only U23D was available anywhere

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Post by nimimerkillinen » December 1st, 2018, 3:18 pm

are all stand-up specials also documentaries or just documentations?

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Post by flaiky » December 1st, 2018, 5:56 pm

My favourite challenge, in.

This is another good list, I'm probably going to use it as a guide: Letterboxd’s ‘Official’ Top 100 Documentaries of All-Time Currently at 52/100 seen.
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Post by jeroeno » December 1st, 2018, 9:02 pm

1. Manufactured Landscapes (2006)

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Post by psychotronicbeatnik » December 1st, 2018, 9:15 pm

1. Filmworker (2017 / Tony Zierra) FTV 8+/10

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Post by maxwelldeux » December 1st, 2018, 11:49 pm

I'm lazy and am going to be focusing my comments in this thread, as this will be my main focus.

1. Manufactured Landscapes (2006)

Triple. This would make a nice double-feature with Behemoth from the main slate of the ICMFF. This doc focuses on manufacturing and its consequences. It includes some brilliantly constructed shots, including opening with a long take from a manufacturing floor in China. Really interesting information included here.

2. Reel Injun (2009)

This Canadian doc looks at the portrayal of Native Americans in the cinema over the years, and provides a nice bit of film history from the native perspective. Lots of familiar movies were mentioned in there, so it was a very interesting an enjoyable watch.

3. Lost Heroes (2014)

This Canadian doc is about the forgotten comic book heroes and superheroes of Canadian lore. Might be pretty interesting if you're into comics. I'm not, and while I enjoyed learning a bit about history and the interplay between Canada and the US, it didn't really move me.

4. The Staircase e1: Crime or Accident? (2005)

This is for you, flaiky. Wife and I started this today, and will finish it this month. More comments later.

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Post by sol » December 2nd, 2018, 2:18 am

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1. Stories We Tell (2012)

2. Being Different (1981)

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The documentary on physically deformed men and women begins well with distorted video footage of narrator Christopher Plummer who asks us to consider what it would be like to always look like that. His narration is occasionally condescending though as he wows at the film's subjects being people too. The film has some weird theme songs for some subjects too. The interviews themselves though are fascinating, especially with kickboxing man without hands (see above) and it is great to see these individuals in action, one giving a haircut with her feet.
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Post by flavo5000 » December 2nd, 2018, 3:16 am

1. No New Kinda Story: The Real Story of Tooth & Nail Records (2013)
This was a nice trip down memory lane for me. I used to be big into this scene and saw a lot of the bands on Tooth & Nail in concert and owned CDs by them.

2. Universal Horror (1998)
A pretty nice overview of Universal's horror flicks with a big emphasis on Dracula and Frankenstein (not unexpectedly). I did like their side by side comparisons of the Browning Dracula and the alternate Spanish version and it's superior directing and atmosphere.

3. Nature: Extraordinary Dogs (1997)
An episode of Nature profiling remarkable canines such as rescue dogs and the like. I mostly put it on for my daughter who loves animals, but I think I ended up getting more out of it than she did.

4a. The Art of Crystal Bridges (2016)
I've visited this museum multiple times and it really is a pretty impressive place in a very unlikely location.

4b. Menq (1969)
More of a mood piece than anything else

4c. Lipanjska gibanja (1969)
A document of a political rally in Belgrade
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2. Universal Horror (1998)
3. Nature: Extraordinary Dogs (1997)
4a. The Art of Crystal Bridges (2016)
4b. Menq (1969)
4c. Lipanjska gibanja (1969)

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Post by tourdesb » December 2nd, 2018, 8:35 am

nimimerkillinen wrote:
December 1st, 2018, 3:18 pm
are all stand-up specials also documentaries or just documentations?
I count stand-up specials or filmed concerts as documentaries (as tagged by IMDB).

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Post by tourdesb » December 2nd, 2018, 8:41 am

1. 13 jours en France (1968, Claude Lelouch & François Reichenbach)
2. Les neiges de Grenoble (1968, Jacques Ertaud & Jean-Jacques Languepin)
3. Sapporo Orinpikku (1972, Masahiro Shinoda)

Starting the Challenge with the Criterion Olympic Series. The Lelouch one was kinda fun because it does not really focus on the sports themselves.

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Post by albajos » December 2nd, 2018, 10:24 am

01. The Death and Life of Marsha P. Johnson (2017) USA 57 checks

Starting off with a few I have left from the LGBT and Nordic challenges

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Post by vortexsurfer » December 2nd, 2018, 10:27 am

3. Cannibals and Crampons (Mark Anstice, Bruce Parry, 2002)
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2. Video Nasties: Draconian Days (Jake West, 2014)
3. Cannibals and Crampons (Mark Anstice, Bruce Parry, 2002)

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Post by nimimerkillinen » December 2nd, 2018, 12:29 pm

tourdesb wrote:
December 2nd, 2018, 8:35 am
nimimerkillinen wrote:
December 1st, 2018, 3:18 pm
are all stand-up specials also documentaries or just documentations?
I count stand-up specials or filmed concerts as documentaries (as tagged by IMDB).
allright! many or most are not tagged there as imdb i think but some are

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Post by flavo5000 » December 2nd, 2018, 1:06 pm

nimimerkillinen wrote:
December 2nd, 2018, 12:29 pm
tourdesb wrote:
December 2nd, 2018, 8:35 am
nimimerkillinen wrote:
December 1st, 2018, 3:18 pm
are all stand-up specials also documentaries or just documentations?
I count stand-up specials or filmed concerts as documentaries (as tagged by IMDB).
allright! many or most are not tagged there as imdb i think but some are
Having said that, I'd think a few are ok (I may watch a couple myself). But if someone were to just watch nothing but stand up specials the entire month and end up winning or something, I think it would generate a lot of ill will.

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Post by ororama » December 2nd, 2018, 1:56 pm

1. OT: Our Town (2002) * 79 min.


*First time viewing.

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Post by nimimerkillinen » December 2nd, 2018, 3:15 pm

flavo5000 wrote:
December 2nd, 2018, 1:06 pm
nimimerkillinen wrote:
December 2nd, 2018, 12:29 pm
tourdesb wrote:
December 2nd, 2018, 8:35 am


I count stand-up specials or filmed concerts as documentaries (as tagged by IMDB).
allright! many or most are not tagged there as imdb i think but some are
Having said that, I'd think a few are ok (I may watch a couple myself). But if someone were to just watch nothing but stand up specials the entire month and end up winning or something, I think it would generate a lot of ill will.
might watch 10 or less, not even close to the top of these challenges (probably ever again tho :P )

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Post by albajos » December 2nd, 2018, 3:26 pm

So awards show would be documentaries as well? Or is that news?

I'm working on updating the old Amanda awards this month (imdb are lacking in nominees and other categories beside best picture) so I'll be seeing the old ones.

It's not that many though.

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