Welcome to the ICM Forum. If you have an account but have trouble logging in, or have other questions, see THIS THREAD.
Polls: Horror (Results), 1957 (Nov 13th), 1994 awards (Nov 25th), Iberian (Nov 30th), Musicals (Dec 15th)
Challenges: Noir, Nordic, Criterion+MoC
World Cup: Round 2 schedule, Match 2F (Nov 18th), Match 2G (Dec 2nd)
Film of the Week: The Suspect
Film Festival: Main slate, English-Language Independents, International I-IV, Arthouse, Just before dawn, Animation, LGBT, Documentaries, Shorts (Nov 27th)

Official Noirvember Challenge - Nov 2018

Post Reply
User avatar
maxwelldeux
Donator
Posts: 3905
Joined: Jun 07, 2016
Location: Seattle-ish, WA, USA
Contact:

Official Noirvember Challenge - Nov 2018

#1

Post by maxwelldeux » October 28th, 2018, 6:02 am

Noirvember Challenge

Image

16th Day of November, the 16th ranked TSPDT Noir



Goal:
Watch as many movies as you can that fit into the Film Noir and Neo-Noir genres. If you are in doubt whether a movie counts or not, just ask.

Rules:
- A feature film (Anything over 40 minutes) counts as one entry.
- A total of 60 minutes of short films count as one entry.
- For Mini-Series/TV series (40 minute episodes or longer) each episode counts as an entry.
- Otherwise, the usual 40/60 rule applies
- Rewatches allowed.
- Preferred Format: Original Title AKA Alternative Title (year)

Challenge runs from 1 November 2018 to 30 November 2018.

Bonus challenge: Core Noir Years (1940-1959)
How many of the 20 core noir year have you seen a film from? Complete the 20 years once, move up and go for it again!
Bonus Challenge stats:Show
Participant Year Count, 1st Round Year Count, 2nd Round
72allinncallme 5
allisoncm 1
blocho 2
burneyfan 2
cinephage 2
Daviddoes 6
flavo5000 14
frbrown 20 12
Good_Will_Harding 3
Hunziker 2
hurluberlu 4
India Istanbul 6
jdidaco 13
jeroeno 11
Knaldskalle 1
Mate_cosido 3
maxwelldeux 5
monclivie 8
morrison-dylan-fan 2
Nopros 6
OldAle1 8
ororama 3
psychotronicbeatnik 16
Renegade 13
RogerTheMovieManiac88 14
sebby 1
shugs 5
Simba63 17
sol 5
Tarris1 8
VincentPrice 1
vortexsurfer 8
Film Noir Leaderboard

Official lists:
IMDb Top 50 Film-Noir
TSPDT 100 Essential Noir Films
TSPDT 1000 Noir Films

Honorable Mention Lists:
Kind of: https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/tspd ... alterneff/
https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/tspd ... s/jeroeno/

Unofficial lists: Participants:
Noirvember Participants

Rank Participant Count
1 Simba63 66
2 flavo5000 50
3 frbrown 45
4 jdidaco 40
5 Nopros 32
5 Renegade 32
7 RogerTheMovieManiac88 30
8 psychotronicbeatnik 23
9 hurluberlu 19
9 Tarris1 19
11 72allinncallme 17
12 jeroeno 16
13 OldAle1 14
14 maxwelldeux 13
15 monclivie 12
15 vortexsurfer 12
17 albajos 11
17 sol 11
19 WalterNeff 10
19 Daviddoes 10
21 India Istanbul 8
22 ororama 7
22 shugs 7
24 VincentPrice 6
24 blocho 6
24 Mate_cosido 6
27 morrison-dylan-fan 5
27 Good_Will_Harding 5
29 sebby 4
30 cinephage 3
30 burneyfan 3
32 Hunziker 2
33 allisoncm 1
33 Knaldskalle 1


Fun Stats:
Week 1: viewtopic.php?p=544312#p544312
Last edited by maxwelldeux on November 16th, 2018, 4:36 pm, edited 17 times in total.

User avatar
sol
Donator
Posts: 4285
Joined: Feb 03, 2017
Location: Perth, WA, Australia
Contact:

#2

Post by sol » October 28th, 2018, 9:33 am

Oh, yeah - posting this thread in the 'Past Challenges' subforum - what a great way to ensure that you win the Challenge since nobody else will be able to locate the thread. ;)
Former IMDb message boards user /// iCM | IMDb | My Top 500+ Favourite Films /// Long live the new flesh!
Image Image Image

User avatar
hurluberlu
Donator
Posts: 984
Joined: Jan 04, 2017
Contact:

#3

Post by hurluberlu » October 28th, 2018, 9:42 am

Alan Ladd: me chasing films from a 600+ watchlist
Veronika Lake: this challenge

Image
#JeSuisCharlie Liberté, Liberté chérie !

Image
ImageImageImageImage

User avatar
albajos
Posts: 3958
Joined: May 24, 2016
Location: Norway
Contact:

#4

Post by albajos » October 28th, 2018, 10:01 am

sol wrote:
October 28th, 2018, 9:33 am
Oh, yeah - posting this thread in the 'Past Challenges' subforum - what a great way to ensure that you win the Challenge since nobody else will be able to locate the thread. ;)
Well, noir is mostly set in the past

User avatar
72allinncallme
Donator
Posts: 1739
Joined: Nov 13, 2016
Contact:

#5

Post by 72allinncallme » October 28th, 2018, 10:43 am

Does that mean I can re-use my points from last year? :)

In ofc.

User avatar
3eyes
Donator
Posts: 6167
Joined: May 17, 2011
Location: Philadelphia
Contact:

#6

Post by 3eyes » October 28th, 2018, 12:31 pm

In, minimally. Mostly for Nordic noir.

Intriguing side challenge, Max, but not for me this time.
:run: STILL the Gaffer!

User avatar
maxwelldeux
Donator
Posts: 3905
Joined: Jun 07, 2016
Location: Seattle-ish, WA, USA
Contact:

#7

Post by maxwelldeux » October 28th, 2018, 4:39 pm

sol wrote:
October 28th, 2018, 9:33 am
Oh, yeah - posting this thread in the 'Past Challenges' subforum - what a great way to ensure that you win the Challenge since nobody else will be able to locate the thread. ;)
:facepalm:

You know, I went through that post multiple times to make sure I didn't screw up something obvious... I sent a message asking that it be moved.

User avatar
PeacefulAnarchy
Moderator
Posts: 21253
Joined: May 08, 2011
Contact:

#8

Post by PeacefulAnarchy » October 29th, 2018, 3:54 am

maxwelldeux wrote:
October 28th, 2018, 4:39 pm
sol wrote:
October 28th, 2018, 9:33 am
Oh, yeah - posting this thread in the 'Past Challenges' subforum - what a great way to ensure that you win the Challenge since nobody else will be able to locate the thread. ;)
:facepalm:

You know, I went through that post multiple times to make sure I didn't screw up something obvious... I sent a message asking that it be moved.
Moved. FYI It's best to either report the post or send a PM, the contact us link sends an email to an email address I check, but only every other day or so.


User avatar
WalterNeff
Donator
Posts: 2935
Joined: Jul 27, 2011
Contact:

#10

Post by WalterNeff » October 30th, 2018, 6:24 pm

Hi all - having just started a new job, my movie watching will be limited, so there is hope for a new champion this year :-) I will endeavor to complete the TSPDT Noir list as it stands now, with only 11 to go. Happy Noirvember!

User avatar
maxwelldeux
Donator
Posts: 3905
Joined: Jun 07, 2016
Location: Seattle-ish, WA, USA
Contact:

#11

Post by maxwelldeux » October 30th, 2018, 6:41 pm

WalterNeff wrote:
October 30th, 2018, 6:24 pm
Hi all - having just started a new job, my movie watching will be limited, so there is hope for a new champion this year :-) I will endeavor to complete the TSPDT Noir list as it stands now, with only 11 to go. Happy Noirvember!
Congrats on the new job! But something tells me you'll sneak in more than you initially thought... :cowbow:

User avatar
burneyfan
Donator
Posts: 5755
Joined: Jun 23, 2011
Location: Massachusetts, USA
Contact:

#12

Post by burneyfan » October 30th, 2018, 8:06 pm

I'm in -- there's always room for a noir or two...

User avatar
frbrown
Posts: 5680
Joined: Nov 01, 2011
Contact:

#13

Post by frbrown » October 30th, 2018, 8:29 pm

I'm in.

I'll try to get Silver on the 1000 Noir list - I need 37 more checks.


Max, for the bonus challenge, will you be tracking everyone's scores yourself, or does everyone keep track of their own score?

User avatar
maxwelldeux
Donator
Posts: 3905
Joined: Jun 07, 2016
Location: Seattle-ish, WA, USA
Contact:

#14

Post by maxwelldeux » October 30th, 2018, 9:06 pm

frbrown wrote:
October 30th, 2018, 8:29 pm
Max, for the bonus challenge, will you be tracking everyone's scores yourself, or does everyone keep track of their own score?
I'll be tracking it - I just need people to report the years on the films they watch. I can automate everything in my spreadsheet.

User avatar
sebby
Posts: 5363
Joined: Jul 04, 2011
Contact:

#15

Post by sebby » October 31st, 2018, 9:43 am

In. Will set a goal of trying to uncover a few masterful 21st century noirs this year. People say they exist, but, ya know.

User avatar
OldAle1
Donator
Posts: 2540
Joined: Feb 09, 2017
Location: Dairyland, USA
Contact:

#16

Post by OldAle1 » October 31st, 2018, 2:34 pm

In. Last year I managed 48 in both noir and horror; this year I'll break 100 in horror and it'd be nice to do so in noir as well, but I will probably have at least 3-4 days of no films this month, unfortunately, and possibly be more busy overall. So I'm going to set myself some goals and see how I do -

1 - Easy goal 1: 50 films seen (breaking last year's number slightly)
2 - Easy goal 2; finish off the old "250 Quintessential" list - I have 23 to go
3 - Moderate goal 1: 60 films seen, 2 per day average
4 - Moderate goal 2: at least 15 non-American noir seen
5 - Moderate goal 3: at least one film per year seen from 1937 (Marked Woman which I plan to start with) through 1964, the year I've always personally used as my cutoff for "classic" noir
6 - Hard goal: 90 films seen
Last edited by OldAle1 on October 31st, 2018, 3:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
OldAle1
Donator
Posts: 2540
Joined: Feb 09, 2017
Location: Dairyland, USA
Contact:

#17

Post by OldAle1 » October 31st, 2018, 2:49 pm

sebby wrote:
October 31st, 2018, 9:43 am
In. Will set a goal of trying to uncover a few masterful 21st century noirs this year. People say they exist, but, ya know.
I guess it depends on what you mean by both "noir" and "masterful" but by my own definitions there are somewhere between 10-20 that I've seen.

User avatar
Knaldskalle
Moderator
Posts: 8993
Joined: May 09, 2011
Location: New Mexico, Trumpistan
Contact:

#18

Post by Knaldskalle » October 31st, 2018, 3:53 pm

I usually manage to squeeze in a noir or two every Noirvember, so why not?
Personal film goals for 2018. Image Image

User avatar
sebby
Posts: 5363
Joined: Jul 04, 2011
Contact:

#19

Post by sebby » October 31st, 2018, 6:49 pm

OldAle1 wrote:
October 31st, 2018, 2:49 pm
sebby wrote:
October 31st, 2018, 9:43 am
In. Will set a goal of trying to uncover a few masterful 21st century noirs this year. People say they exist, but, ya know.
I guess it depends on what you mean by both "noir" and "masterful" but by my own definitions there are somewhere between 10-20 that I've seen.
Well masterful for me would be something I rate at least 8/10. Which is perhaps 5% of the films I watch...sooo let's say 95th percentile. The Man Who Wasn't There makes the cut, maybe Inherent Vice as well, but those are the only ones that spring to mind at the moment.

User avatar
OldAle1
Donator
Posts: 2540
Joined: Feb 09, 2017
Location: Dairyland, USA
Contact:

#20

Post by OldAle1 » October 31st, 2018, 7:44 pm

Ah yeah we're probably pretty far apart in how we see things then - 8-10 represents close to 40% of my ratings, and "masterful" would mean a 10 and *maybe* a 9. Agree with you on Inherent Vice though not on the other one, which to be fair I don't remember well and I think may have been seen while really tired - I remember actually thinking just a few months after I'd seen it that I needed to see it again because it was disappearing from memory. One of the problems with seeing so many movies I guess.

User avatar
albajos
Posts: 3958
Joined: May 24, 2016
Location: Norway
Contact:

#21

Post by albajos » October 31st, 2018, 11:45 pm

8-10 are 24% of my ratings, 10 are 2%.

1-3 are 22% of my ratings, so I keep it somewhat even it seems.

flavo5000
Posts: 1564
Joined: Jul 10, 2014
Contact:

#22

Post by flavo5000 » November 1st, 2018, 2:08 am

I'll join in. I may take it a little easy though. Noir tends to take a toll on me after a while.

User avatar
Simba63
Donator
Posts: 655
Joined: Sep 07, 2017
Location: USA
Contact:

#23

Post by Simba63 » November 1st, 2018, 2:43 am

In for 31...the number I need for platinum on TSDPDT 100. Thanks for hosting Maxwell!

User avatar
Good_Will_Harding
Posts: 869
Joined: Feb 19, 2017
Contact:

#24

Post by Good_Will_Harding » November 1st, 2018, 2:46 am

Sure, I'll give this a try. Can't promise the majority won't be repeats, but hey I'll give it my best!

User avatar
maxwelldeux
Donator
Posts: 3905
Joined: Jun 07, 2016
Location: Seattle-ish, WA, USA
Contact:

#25

Post by maxwelldeux » November 1st, 2018, 8:01 am

1. Gun Crazy (1950)

I get to kick this off! I liked everything about this except for the plot and acting. Great shots, great use of shadows, and some pretty solid editing to build and maintain the tension, which I think was especially good during the car chases. But pretty enjoyable as a noir to kick off the challenge.

User avatar
Daviddoes
Posts: 1100
Joined: Aug 06, 2012
Contact:

#26

Post by Daviddoes » November 1st, 2018, 12:28 pm

1.The Mask of Diijon (1946) 5/10

2. The Lodger (1944) 7/10

3. Hangover Square (1945) 6.5/10

User avatar
monclivie
Posts: 253
Joined: Sep 13, 2011
Location: Poland
Contact:

#27

Post by monclivie » November 1st, 2018, 1:06 pm

I'm in. Can you recommend some noirs wth satisfying or at least unexpected ending, without protagonists obviously doomed from the start because of the production code? I like the style and atmosphere of noir, but what is the point of watching something with a premise like "After being released from prison, notorious thief Roy Earle is hired by his old boss to help a group of inexperienced criminals plan and carry out the robbery of a California resort." when it's 100% sure how it will go?

blocho
Donator
Posts: 1229
Joined: Jul 20, 2014
Contact:

#28

Post by blocho » November 1st, 2018, 1:55 pm

monclivie wrote:
November 1st, 2018, 1:06 pm
I'm in. Can you recommend some noirs wth satisfying or at least unexpected ending, without protagonists obviously doomed from the start because of the production code? I like the style and atmosphere of noir, but what is the point of watching something with a premise like "After being released from prison, notorious thief Roy Earle is hired by his old boss to help a group of inexperienced criminals plan and carry out the robbery of a California resort." when it's 100% sure how it will go?
It's true, noir is very formulaic. I guess you have to enjoy the formula. But I have a noir with an ending I didn't expect ...

blocho
Donator
Posts: 1229
Joined: Jul 20, 2014
Contact:

#29

Post by blocho » November 1st, 2018, 2:00 pm

1. The Sound of Fury (1950)

Mediocre nice-man-pulled-into-crime noir unexpectedly turns into anti-lynching drama. The first half only recommends itself thanks to an enjoyably smarmy Lloyd Bridges as the villain. The second half, well if you've seen an anti-lynching drama you know what to expect.

As an aside, when it comes to anti-lynching movies, I can think of three from this era: The Sound of Fury, Fury, and The Ox-Bow Incident. The first two are based on a real lynching that occurred in San Jose in the early 1930s. That being said, I think it's interesting that in an era when lynching overwhelmingly was something that happened to black victims, the victims in all three movies are not black.

Available here:

User avatar
OldAle1
Donator
Posts: 2540
Joined: Feb 09, 2017
Location: Dairyland, USA
Contact:

#30

Post by OldAle1 » November 1st, 2018, 2:13 pm

monclivie wrote:
November 1st, 2018, 1:06 pm
I'm in. Can you recommend some noirs wth satisfying or at least unexpected ending, without protagonists obviously doomed from the start because of the production code? I like the style and atmosphere of noir, but what is the point of watching something with a premise like "After being released from prison, notorious thief Roy Earle is hired by his old boss to help a group of inexperienced criminals plan and carry out the robbery of a California resort." when it's 100% sure how it will go?
Simple answer is that the production code only applies to American films made through the 50s (well, technically 1966-7 but it was pretty weak throughout the 60s), so go for some non-American noir and/or later American examples. But to be fair, even the noir from other countries during the classic era usually hews pretty well to the formula as well.

And yeah, I like the formula myself, so it doesn't much matter to me. And sure, you know that a truly virtuous character will likely survive (especially if female) and a truly bad one will end up dead or in prison, but some of the best noirs do feature more "gray" characters who could go either way, and there can occasionally be surprises involving some of these usually supporting people.

User avatar
WalterNeff
Donator
Posts: 2935
Joined: Jul 27, 2011
Contact:

#31

Post by WalterNeff » November 1st, 2018, 4:17 pm

1. Warui yatsu hodo yoku nemuru (1960) (The Bad Sleep Well) TSPDT Noir - Hamlet meets 1960s Japanese business corruption,

User avatar
Good_Will_Harding
Posts: 869
Joined: Feb 19, 2017
Contact:

#32

Post by Good_Will_Harding » November 1st, 2018, 5:55 pm

Off to the races!

1. Mildred Pierce (1945) - DVD, re-watch. Been a trying work week so far and I needed a familiar, easy watch, so I went with this puppy which I nabbed the Criterion DVD of last summer. The framing device strikes me as a tad useless, but once this film finally kicks into gear, it's an endlessly compelling tale, elevated by the pair of utterly captivating performances from Joan Crawford and (less adulated but equally great imo) Ann Blyth.

blocho
Donator
Posts: 1229
Joined: Jul 20, 2014
Contact:

#33

Post by blocho » November 1st, 2018, 7:00 pm

2. Somewhere in the Night (1946)

Amnesia noir! Definitely its own sub-genre, with John Hodiak, Nancy Guild, and an always enjoyable Richard Conte. The gaping plot holes really detract. As amnesia noirs go, it's better than The Crooked Way but worse than The October Man.

Available here:

User avatar
hurluberlu
Donator
Posts: 984
Joined: Jan 04, 2017
Contact:

#34

Post by hurluberlu » November 1st, 2018, 8:26 pm

1. True Confessions (Ulu Grosbard, 1981) 7-
2. Union Station (Rudolph Maté, 1950) 6
3. The Wire S2Ep2: Collateral Damage (Ed Bianchi, 2003) 7+
4. Fourteen Hours (Henry Hathaway, 1951) 5+
#JeSuisCharlie Liberté, Liberté chérie !

Image
ImageImageImageImage

User avatar
maxwelldeux
Donator
Posts: 3905
Joined: Jun 07, 2016
Location: Seattle-ish, WA, USA
Contact:

#35

Post by maxwelldeux » November 1st, 2018, 8:38 pm

hurluberlu wrote:
November 1st, 2018, 8:26 pm
3. The Wire S2Ep2: Collateral Damage (Ed Bianchi, 2003) 7+
What a great show. I really wanted to name our new dog Avon Barksdale, but my wife didn't agree. :shrug:

User avatar
hurluberlu
Donator
Posts: 984
Joined: Jan 04, 2017
Contact:

#36

Post by hurluberlu » November 1st, 2018, 8:57 pm

maxwelldeux wrote:
November 1st, 2018, 8:38 pm
hurluberlu wrote:
November 1st, 2018, 8:26 pm
3. The Wire S2Ep2: Collateral Damage (Ed Bianchi, 2003) 7+
What a great show. I really wanted to name our new dog Avon Barksdale, but my wife didn't agree. :shrug:
What about Omar Little ? :lol:
I remember your spree from last year... I was a little dubious about S2 after watching Ep1 but it is again very solid.

Btw in the neo-noir genre I am also planning to start watching Twin Peaks S3, any objection with that ?
#JeSuisCharlie Liberté, Liberté chérie !

Image
ImageImageImageImage

psychotronicbeatnik
Donator
Posts: 1016
Joined: Feb 04, 2017
Contact:

#37

Post by psychotronicbeatnik » November 1st, 2018, 9:36 pm

1.Hodejegerne, aka: Headhunters (2011 / Morten Tyldum / Norway, Sweden, Denmark) FTV 8+/10

blocho
Donator
Posts: 1229
Joined: Jul 20, 2014
Contact:

#38

Post by blocho » November 1st, 2018, 9:40 pm

maxwelldeux wrote:
November 1st, 2018, 8:38 pm
hurluberlu wrote:
November 1st, 2018, 8:26 pm
3. The Wire S2Ep2: Collateral Damage (Ed Bianchi, 2003) 7+
What a great show. I really wanted to name our new dog Avon Barksdale, but my wife didn't agree. :shrug:
My buddy named his dog Stringer Bell, which unfortunately doesn't have a dog-related pun in the name, but I think it would be cool if all dogs from now on were named after characters from The Wire. I would name my dog Fuzzy Dunlop. Haha, just kidding, that's actually the name I'm saving for my first born. Fuzzy Dunlop Blocho.

blocho
Donator
Posts: 1229
Joined: Jul 20, 2014
Contact:

#39

Post by blocho » November 1st, 2018, 9:43 pm

hurluberlu wrote:
November 1st, 2018, 8:57 pm
maxwelldeux wrote:
November 1st, 2018, 8:38 pm
hurluberlu wrote:
November 1st, 2018, 8:26 pm
3. The Wire S2Ep2: Collateral Damage (Ed Bianchi, 2003) 7+
What a great show. I really wanted to name our new dog Avon Barksdale, but my wife didn't agree. :shrug:
What about Omar Little ? :lol:
I remember your spree from last year... I was a little dubious about S2 after watching Ep1 but it is again very solid.

Btw in the neo-noir genre I am also planning to start watching Twin Peaks S3, any objection with that ?
No objections, just jealousy. You only get one chance to experience the revived Twin Peaks for the first time.

Renegade
Posts: 74
Joined: May 17, 2016
Contact:

#40

Post by Renegade » November 1st, 2018, 9:51 pm

1. Fallen Angel (1945)

2. Side Street (1949)

Post Reply