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Post by maxwelldeux » October 8th, 2017, 10:17 pm

Methods
Pretty simple methodology - I went to the Challenges Index (thanks for keeping that up-to-date, btw) and followed links to all the official challenges. I copied the final results (usually in the first post, though there were a couple of exceptions) into Excel. I did a little data cleanup (using consistent usernames and getting the results to appear as numbers), then assigned ranks and computed scoring (details below). From there, it was just some minor Excel magic, and boom - results.

Scoring
I used a version of NASCAR scoring. Points are based on the number of participants in a challenge and the final rank. So, if there were 20 participants in a challenge, the 1st place person would get 20 points, 2nd place gets 19 points, 3rd place gets 18 points, and so on. For ties, I assigned the average of the points that would have been earned for all those ranks. So, continuing with this example, if two people tied for 4th place (out of 20), each of them would receive (17+16)/2 = 16.5 points. The person in 6th would receive 15 points, and so on. Finally, to be included, you had to have watched at least one film for the official challenge.

**Edited 5 March 2019**
Overall Official Challenges Leaderboard (2011-Feb 2019)Show
Overall Official Challenges Leaderboard
Rank Participant Total Score # Challenges Competed In Total Number of films Watched for Official Challenges Average Rank in Challenges Number of Challenge Wins Rank Change
1 allisoncm 1962.5 148 3142 11.70 6
2 flavo5000 1817 74 5309 8.16 16
3 3eyes 1691 153 1989 12.52 4
4 cinephage 1555 159 1629 14.65 1
5 sol 1486 62 2194 8.77 4
6 psychotronicbeatnik 1442 47 2820 4.96 6
7 jeroeno 1424.5 61 2854 7.85 13 +2
8 72allinncallme 1400 53 2661 7.55 7
9 jdidaco 1399 55 2688 8.84 5 -2
10 maxwelldeux 1312.5 62 1771 11.56 1 +1
11 frbrown 1283.5 84 2071 13.08 2 -1
12 albajos 1204.5 58 2928 8.19 10 +1
13 RogerTheMovieManiac88 1193 50 1705 11.50 2 -1
14 OldAle1 1120 48 1251 12.31 0
15 Sebby 1100 72 1466 17.65 0 +2
16 VincentPrice 1081.5 88 1874 16.00 0
17 ororama 1073 84 1018 16.73 0 +2
18 Mate_cosido 1057.5 47 1312 13.17 1
19 klaus78 1050.5 52 1652 9.94 3 -4
20 weirdboy 1019 52 1398 14.19 0
21 hurluberlu 984.5 53 1116 15.96 0 +1
22 Daviddoes 968.5 56 1808 11.29 4 -1
23 ChrisReynolds 868.5 50 1300 12.44 3
24 Knaldskalle 791 78 838 19.47 1 +2
25 Fergenaprido 781.5 69 647 16.80 1 -1
26 nimimerkillinen 781 62 738 19.23 1 +1
27 sushantv10 742 60 1590 9.18 10 -2
28 Simba63 699 26 1353 10.85 3
29 vortexsurfer 692 40 724 18.68 0
30 clemmetarey 624 41 605 15.56 0
31 HVM 566.5 50 931 8.68 2
32 funkybusiness 537.5 53 495 19.68 0 +1
33 mightysparks 524 41 1416 15.59 3 +2
34 burneyfan 523 40 1061 7.63 4 -2
35 Cippenham 510.5 52 730 12.81 1 -1
36 tommy_leazaq 486.5 58 479 17.74 0 -1
37 India Istanbul 479 23 616 18.57 1 +3
38 mjf314 466.5 46 935 7.57 9 -1
39 PeacefulAnarchy 459 25 990 8.44 4 -1
40 tourdesb 458.5 24 1215 4.96 6 -1
41 peeptoad 432 18 482 15.61 0 +1
42 Mochard 425 35 615 18.17 0 -1
43 blocho 413 60 306 25.38 0 +2
44 zuma 402 27 695 9.00 2 -1
45 St. Gloede 399.5 26 776 8.73 3 +6
46 te18 396 20 824 14.05 1 -2
47 XxXApathy420XxX 391.5 32 519 14.75 2 -1
48 Lonewolf2003 387 32 374 18.53 0 +9
49 mathiasa 385.5 31 407 22.52 0 -1
50 Nopros 375.5 25 689 8.52 2 -3
51 kingink 373 23 855 4.70 3 -2
52 Kasparius 368.5 31 640 13.87 4 -2
53 blueboybob 345.5 16 600 19.06 1 -1
54 Lilarcor 335 43 315 16.35 2 -1
55 Gorro 329.5 20 485 15.45 0 -1
56 morrison-dylan-fan 329 21 298 21.38 0 +4
57 Nathan Treadway 327.5 26 463 12.81 0 +15
58 45MinuteZoom 323 25 443 16.72 1 -3
59 jgwr 319.5 31 365 13.77 0 -3
60 PUNQ 308 16 758 8.88 3 +8
61 jvv 305 39 409 19.15 1 -3
61 WalterNeff 305 17 904 5.24 2 -3
63 tarr 296.5 23 439 10.78 1 -2
64 Cocoa 291 16 537 12.38 2 -2
64 kierkegaardian 291 6 780 6.00 2 -2
66 metaller 290 19 384 11.95 0 -2
67 Melvelet 284.5 46 264 17.39 0 -2
68 Hunziker 280.5 20 394 21.80 0 +2
69 Ivan0716 278.5 11 509 12.73 2 -3
70 Leopardi 278 8 445 16.63 0 -3
71 Kowry 266.5 27 355 16.26 0 -2
72 Wise Jake 265 15 344 14.47 0 -1
73 Eve-Lang-El-Coup 262.5 10 442 4.40 0
74 connordenney 245 57 189 22.49 0 +7
75 sortile9io 242.5 12 490 3.58 3 -1
76 brokenface 241.5 29 359 11.14 1 -1
77 zzzorf 241 20 218 27.25 0 +3
78 Armoreska 239.5 19 635 5.47 4 -2
79 monclivie 238.5 8 278 17.25 0 -2
80 Perception de Ambiguity 234.5 10 420 8.00 2 -2
81 shugs 228.5 15 230 26.00 0 +2
81 jonas2k 228.5 21 280 14.00 0 -2
83 RBG 215 17 142 20.65 0 +3
84 edward5 209.5 11 278 12.09 0 -2
85 Carmel1379 197.5 12 252 18.17 0 -1
86 themagician 189.5 17 337 11.53 1 -1
86 Eva_L 189.5 9 233 23.22 0 +13
88 redcard29 188 11 355 9.00 0 +10
89 mondovertigo 176.5 11 231 18.36 1 -2
90 Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi 174 26 148 17.04 0 -2
91 SeanMX12 171.5 15 436 10.53 1 -2
92 Tarris1 171 13 163 22.23 0 +4
93 Timec 169.5 23 226 13.57 0 -3
94 Hippiemans 166 17 132 29.41 0 -3
95 Gregmnewman 165 16 262 11.56 0 -3
95 Tomelce 165 16 229 12.44 0 -3
97 1SO 161.5 4 205 13.25 0 -3
98 jajusu 161 7 275 6.71 0 -3
99 sheikofhyrule 151.5 16 192 16.69 0 +6
99 ryebass 151.5 16 207 13.69 1 -3
101 esiersdale 150.5 21 241 10.29 1 -2
102 Sir Plebeian 145 10 225 11.80 0 -1
103 Ataraxic 142 12 348 6.83 3 -1
104 flaiky 137 9 108 20.56 0 -1
105 afirm 133 15 140 11.93 0 -1
106 sennaho 127.5 5 213 27.00 0
107 perceval 121.5 11 111 15.73 0
108 max-scl 119.5 10 177 13.00 0 +1
109 beeswax 113.5 9 292 5.67 1 -1
110 ormazd 108 6 470 5.33 1
111 Lammetje 106 8 76 12.63 0
112 maksler 101 6 122 8.50 0
113 Nuclearplanet 100 17 153 22.53 0
114 Good_Will_Harding 99.5 5 114 27.00 0
115 andreischz 97 7 114 10.57 0
116 aces 95 9 180 8.00 1
117 b_n 92 8 144 13.00 0
117 greenhorg 92 3 130 23.00 0
117 lampadatriste 92 13 154 11.08 0
120 wowwee123 91.5 21 89 21.62 0
121 timmy_501 90.5 4 142 12.25 0
122 Gershwin 90 14 92 12.57 0
123 medium cool 89 2 126 15.50 0
124 insomnius 85.5 5 99 25.40 0
125 Coryn 82.5 6 71 23.83 0 +29
126 rnilsson19 82 3 93 15.00 0 -1
127 Cinematiamo 81.5 3 307 5.67 2 -1
128 globetrotter 79 13 69 15.77 1 +15
129 marazmatique 78 6 88 28.50 0 -2
129 Buksemannen 78 6 113 7.67 1 -2
131 rohit 77 6 163 8.83 0 -2
132 SkilledLunatic 76.5 8 84 16.00 0 -2
133 rokp 75.5 11 99 10.55 0 -2
134 el-thedeath 73 2 88 13.00 0 -2
135 Mario Gaborović 72.5 5 200 3.20 1 -2
136 paul281f 71.5 4 114 24.75 0 -2
137 Traveller 68 2 116 2.00 1 +37
137 joachimt 68 9 119 18.11 1 -2
139 prat 66.5 5 180 5.40 1 -3
140 Josh_Glover 64 3 55 12.00 0 -3
141 Bal3x 63.5 5 148 9.00 0 -3
142 edkrak 62.5 11 63 23.27 0 -3
143 Straka 62 2 44 9.00 0 -3
143 fear of 13 62 6 49 29.50 0 -3
143 sacmersault 62 3 53 14.67 0 -3
146 lynchs 59 10 23 28.00 0 +5
146 Onderhond 59 4 51 18.25 0 +33
148 Kublai Khan 58 4 106 8.50 0 -4
149 Samar 57.5 6 62 10.50 0 -4
150 wasabi 57 3 115 19.67 1 +21
151 noruas 52 3 177 7.33 0 -5
152 Harco 51.5 3 43 22.67 0 -5
153 fori 51 2 57 6.00 0 +53
154 Level 50.5 2 62 27.50 0 -6
155 wuzzawuzz 50 3 127 4.33 1 -6
155 LarsC 50 4 82 7.50 0 -6
157 Spocksbrain 48 1 160 2.00 0 -5
158 Samlion 47.5 3 73 5.67 0 -5
159 Renegade 46 2 58 15.00 0 -5
160 George Bailey 45.5 10 63 15.00 0 -4
161 GruesomeTwosome 45 3 38 38.33 0 -4
162 Lakigigar 44.5 7 38 35.86 0 -4
162 insomnia 44.5 4 76 10.50 0 -4
164 bjornam 43.5 4 39 21.50 0 -4
165 pjim 40.5 7 54 16.57 0 -4
166 kisbye 39 2 60 4.00 0 -4
166 nicolino 39 2 73 22.00 0 -4
168 Dolwphin 38.5 8 51 16.75 0 -4
169 Cynical Cinephile 37.5 3 42 20.33 0 -4
170 tirefeet 36.5 7 37 10.86 0 -4
170 Kobrakai 36.5 2 32 9.50 0 -4
172 idiotwind 36 3 80 15.00 0 -4
172 Limedebois 36 3 91 4.67 0 -4
174 Chemosh6969 34 4 77 11.00 1 -4
175 bubar 33 3 76 9.00 0 -4
175 lisa- 33 2 64 2.50 0 -4
177 MMAlpha 30 2 63 7.00 0 -3
177 darkflame 30 5 42 12.80 0 -3
177 TraverseTown 30 2 53 21.00 0 -3
180 priddy_44 29 2 49 8.50 0 -2
181 hiimstacey 27.5 1 29 24.00 0 -1
181 deepspeaks 27.5 4 34 13.50 0 -1
181 ignatzkat 27.5 3 62 7.33 1 -1
184 beavis 27 2 124 2.00 1 -1
185 Enigma 25.5 5 30 13.20 0 -1
186 Bobby Peru 25 4 29 17.00 0 -1
186 onshy 25 3 28 11.33 0 -1
186 slylingual24 25 2 26 10.50 0 -1
186 Pain 25 3 108 10.33 1 -1
190 MilenaFlaherty 24.5 3 36 8.33 0 -1
191 Revo 23.5 2 91 8.00 0 -1
191 lisagirl 23.5 2 19 14.00 0 -1
193 implar 23 2 22 20.50 0 -1
193 schwrz 23 2 26 9.50 0 -1
195 AdamH 22.5 4 33 15.25 0 -1
195 Abdullah ozu 22.5 1 10 20.00 0 -1
197 Minkin 22 1 10 23.00 0 New
197 mimurph1 22 1 39 11.00 0 -1
199 soitgoes 21.5 2 33 14.00 0 -2
200 JiraffeJustin 21 4 33 13.25 0 -2
200 Opio 21 1 9 24.00 0 New
202 TheMadcapLaughs 20 1 34 8.00 0 -3
202 ca_horror_fan 20 1 32 7.00 0 -3
204 log89 19.5 4 24 31.00 0 -3
205 beasterne 19 1 15 17.00 0 -3
205 Chilton 19 1 15 8.00 0 -3
205 Micron 19 1 25 3.00 0 -3
208 bunnycorns 18.5 2 17 27.50 0 -3
209 Mulholland 17 1 38 2.00 0 -3
209 monty 17 6 18 19.17 0 -3
209 musikurt 17 1 31 5.00 0 -3
209 EssexMutant 17 1 51 1.00 1 -3
213 Y U M E 16.5 1 19 5.00 0 -2
214 Gonzalito199 16 2 9 30.00 0 -2
215 filmbantha 15 1 15 35.00 0 -2
215 Wonderful Rainbow 15 3 13 24.33 0 -2
215 Laydback 15 1 34 6.00 0 -2
218 Ebbywebby 14.5 1 10 23.00 0 -2
219 Kloraliv 14 1 25 4.00 0 -2
220 gerryt 13 1 32 8.00 0 -2
220 Apu 13 1 20 3.00 0 -2
220 Toasterstrudles 13 1 15 7.00 0 -2
223 inmybubble 12.5 1 13 10.00 0 -2
224 Oliuj 12 1 10 31.00 0 -2
224 drbop 12 1 19 6.00 0 -2
224 SeVKiTT 12 2 6 15.00 0 -2
227 RedHawk10 11.5 1 10 51.00 0 -2
227 ataraxick 11.5 1 19 3.00 0 -2
229 Rigters 11 1 19 9.00 0 -2
229 Coopaloop 11 1 14 6.00 0 -2
229 RollingWonder 11 1 22 4.00 0 -2
232 Innocuous Bird 10.5 2 24 16.50 0 -2
233 BadSmile 10 1 15 21.00 0 -2
233 ZombieCPA 10 1 12 35.00 0 -2
235 Houston 9.5 1 4 17.00 0 -2
235 dormice 9.5 1 9 12.00 0 -2
237 xianjiro 9 1 5 34.00 0 -2
238 Ekaterina- 8 1 24 9.00 0 -2
238 takk71 8 2 8 22.00 0 -2
238 Muellwind 8 1 15 3.00 0 -2
238 Alberto 8 1 10 14.00 0 -2
242 Rad82 7 1 5 13.00 0 -2
242 wezy 7 1 12 15.00 0 -2
242 jerilee 7 1 3 10.00 0 -2
242 Quartoxuma 7 1 4 14.00 0 -2
242 Halie 7 1 5 20.00 0 -2
247 Pgonzalez 6.5 2 8 32.50 0 -2
247 micmacs 6.5 2 3 34.00 0 -2
249 jocularities 6 1 4 19.00 0 -2
249 pongy_papaya 6 1 7 11.00 0 -2
251 magnusbe 5.5 2 5 19.50 0 -2
251 CMT 5.5 1 4 44.00 0 -2
251 fkaymak 5.5 1 5 8.00 0 -2
254 deepak1990 5 1 3 17.00 0 -2
254 Chrilleee 5 1 9 16.00 0 -2
254 SirFigNewton 5 1 2 22.00 0 -2
254 zhangalan 5 1 6 11.00 0 -2
254 ErikSchierboom 5 1 3 37.00 0 -2
259 kingclio 4.5 1 4 10.00 0 -2
259 OS314 4.5 1 2 19.00 0 -2
259 Elmozg 4.5 1 6 12.00 0 -2
259 lvn0716 4.5 1 5 17.00 0 -2
263 DeanWindow 4 1 2 17.00 0 -2
263 spinal tapper 4 1 3 22.00 0 -2
263 Jimi Antiloop 4 1 1 27.00 0 -2
266 essiersdale 3.5 1 1 11.00 0 -2
267 billyvaneyck 3 1 4 23.00 0 -2
267 Hanspelling 3 1 3 19.00 0 -2
267 tobias 3 1 3 53.00 0 -2
267 cinewest 3 1 1 35.00 0 -2
267 avid 3 1 2 22.00 0 -2
272 Panunzio 2.5 1 1 14.00 0 -2
272 vendetta 2.5 1 2 35.00 0 -2
272 Lukewaffe 2.5 2 2 16.00 0 -2
272 watchayakan 2.5 1 2 15.00 0 -2
272 Oakie 2.5 1 1 23.00 0 -2
277 Alfredo Garcia 2 1 4 31.00 0 -2
277 matthewscott8 2 1 1 36.00 0 -2
279 Jay Mars 1.5 1 1 12.00 0 -2
279 Run4thetop 1.5 1 1 50.00 0 -2
281 dombrewer 1 1 2 21.00 0 -2
281 jort13 1 1 1 22.00 0 -2


[Apologies - it was my intention to keep all the years' leaderboards contained in a single post; however, I ran up against the character limit for a single post, so I'm putting them in individual posts and linking to them.]

Prior Years' Leaderboards
2018 Leaderboard
2017 Leaderboard
2016 Leaderboard
2015 Leaderboard
2014 Leaderboard
2013 Leaderboard
2012 Leaderboard
2011 Leaderboard

Challenge-Specific Leaderboards
Animation
Cult/Grindhouse/Drive-In
Documentary
Films Directed by Women
French
Horror
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Russian
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Post by frbrown » October 9th, 2017, 12:06 am

Interesting.

72allinn is strangely low - his numbers look comparable to those of flavo and jdidaco.


2017 Official Challenges Leader Board
ParticipantTotal Score# Challenges Competed InTotal Number of Films Watched for Official ChallengesNumber of Challenge Wins
tourdesb5641552


2 wins in 4 attempts - impressive :poshclap:
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Post by maxwelldeux » October 9th, 2017, 1:24 am

frbrown on Oct 8 2017, 06:06:02 PM wrote:Interesting.

72allinn is strangely low - his numbers look comparable to those of flavo and jdidaco.
I see what you're saying, but it's just a weird quirk of the scoring. flavo5000 and jdidaco had slightly higher average ranks, and 72allinncallme had the misfortune of dominating some less popular challenges (most notably the Indian challenge, with only 11 participants, so only 11 points for 1st place).

I was super impressed with albajos and cinephage for participating in all 18 challenges so far this year, as well as you (frbrown), sol, 3eyes, and ororama for being there more than half the time.

Of course, I'm a huge stats nerd, so I find all of this interesting. :whistling:

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Post by Knaldskalle » October 9th, 2017, 4:57 am

Interesting meta-challenge, Maxwell. Without going into a deeper analysis of the scoring I'm guessing it's better to participate in few challenges and then really work to win them, rather than participating in "everything" and then only watch 1-2 movies?

Since we have all the old challenges archived, we could actually go back and figure out who "won" the annual Official Challenge Leaderboard every year. Might be fun for those so inclined.
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Post by cinephage » October 9th, 2017, 7:18 am

This is an interesting, and rather unexpected, at least for me, result. As I'm a slow viewer, I almost never win challenges, but I usually enjoy participating in most. This ranking rewards consistency rather than performance on a concentrated period, and this is closer to my approach to film-watching.
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Post by sortile9io » October 9th, 2017, 8:59 am

maxwelldeux on Oct 8 2017, 04:17:18 PM wrote:And if there's interest, I'll keep going backwards in time and create leader boards for other years, as well as an all-time leader board.
An all-time board would be great. Also an extra column on the left with ranking positions.

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Post by Armoreska » October 9th, 2017, 9:54 am

Oh man 740 movies for challenges. I've got 0. Maybe 2018.
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Post by cinephage » October 9th, 2017, 10:36 am

I've watched 413 films in 2017... These 169 watches mean 41% of my watches are for challenges. Not bad, not bad...

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Post by mathiasa » October 9th, 2017, 10:38 am

Horror challenge will give a lot of points :clap:

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Post by sol » October 9th, 2017, 10:41 am

This is a fantastic idea. :clap: I hope you keep it up since it will give me much needed extra motivation to participate in more Challenges, both this month and into the future (though I'm not sure how I'll cope with 36 Official Challenges next year). Really cool in case to rank #2. :thumbsup:
maxwelldeux on wrote:I was super impressed with albajos and cinephage for participating in all 18 challenges so far this year, as well as you (frbrown), sol, 3eyes, and ororama for being there more than half the time.
Even more impressive considering that I wasn't registered here in January. This means that I have participated in 14 out of 16 possible Challenges. Didn't realise that my participation was anywhere near that high! (D:)
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Post by sol » October 9th, 2017, 10:47 am

cinephage on Oct 9 2017, 04:36:24 AM wrote:I've watched 413 films in 2017... These 169 watches mean 41% of my watches are for challenges. Not bad, not bad...
I think the accuracy of total films seen can be disputed since there are probably a few dozen films that I have counted towards two simultaneous Challenges, and I wouldn't be alone with that.

If we assume the total is accurate though, that means that 399 out of 517 films (77%) I have seen so far this year have been for Official Challenges.

Oh, wait, that number is excluding Horror Challenge viewings, so the percentage is probably even higher. Some shorts in there too, but I'm guessing around 80%.
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Post by 72allinncallme » October 9th, 2017, 11:19 am

Hmm, I think number of films watched should get included in the score somehow. Perhaps; All movies watched in all challenges divided on number of challenges participated. So in Albajos case he gets 290.5 points (249.5p + 741/18 = 290.5). But maybe I’m just saying that because I think I would benefit from that. :whistling:

But great initiative and an interesting read Max! :)
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Post by sol » October 9th, 2017, 11:28 am

72allinncallme on Oct 9 2017, 05:19:29 AM wrote:But maybe I’m just saying that because I think I would benefit from that. :whistling:
Yeah, stop thinking of ways to climb above me in the rankings. :P I can't help it if hardly anyone participated in the one Challenge where you watched over 50% of all movies viewed. ;)
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Post by Lilarcor » October 9th, 2017, 2:12 pm

Great effort! Consider me interested in the all-time rankings.

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Post by frbrown » October 9th, 2017, 3:15 pm

Knaldskalle on Oct 8 2017, 10:57:25 PM wrote:Without going into a deeper analysis of the scoring I'm guessing it's better to participate in few challenges and then really work to win them, rather than participating in "everything" and then only watch 1-2 movies?
It doesn't look that way to me. I participated in 13 challenges and won none; 72allinn participated in 8 and won 3 (and watched 300 films more than I did), and he's ranked below me. Tourdesb participated in 4 challenges and won 2, and he only ranks at #20.

Only 6 people participated in more than half of the challenges, and all 6 of us are ranked in the top 10.
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Post by maxwelldeux » October 9th, 2017, 5:37 pm

Glad you all found this interesting! I'll keep going back in time, and create an all time leader board, as well as ones for each individual year. With the way I've structured the data (well, once I'm through with this), I can also easily generate leader boards for regular challenges (e.g., an all-time leaderboard for the official Horror challenges), as interest dictates.
Knaldskalle on wrote:Interesting meta-challenge, Maxwell. Without going into a deeper analysis of the scoring I'm guessing it's better to participate in few challenges and then really work to win them, rather than participating in "everything" and then only watch 1-2 movies?
Yeah - like frbrown said, I think more challenges is better. I'm actually a decent example - I participated in 9 of the challenges, but never really went after a win. A small handful of films each time, and I'm in the top quarter. Even 1 or 2 films, which may count for a challenge, even though you're not actively pursuing that challenge, will move you up the leaderboard pretty quick.
sortile9io on wrote:Also an extra column on the left with ranking positions.
Good idea! I'll get right on that.
sol on wrote:I think the accuracy of total films seen can be disputed since there are probably a few dozen films that I have counted towards two simultaneous Challenges, and I wouldn't be alone with that.
Very true, and not really something I can control - I just consider it an embedded bonus in the scoring.
72allinncallme on wrote:Hmm, I think number of films watched should get included in the score somehow. Perhaps; All movies watched in all challenges divided on number of challenges participated. So in Albajos case he gets 290.5 points (249.5p + 741/18 = 290.5).
Interesting idea - I'll play around with some numbers and see what I can come up with.

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Post by Armoreska » October 9th, 2017, 6:38 pm

The number of participants shouldn't have much weight on the score. Watching 2 or 3 movies is not actual participating
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Post by maxwelldeux » October 9th, 2017, 7:03 pm

Armoreska on Oct 9 2017, 12:38:53 PM wrote:The number of participants shouldn't have much weight on the score. Watching 2 or 3 movies is not actual participating
I understand your point, but I disagree. I view the challenges as a fun way to get out of your comfort zone and watch things you wouldn't ordinarily be drawn to. Even if you watch one film, it should count towards the challenge.

Then there's the practical issue you bring up about the scoring system, which is an open question and worth discussing. I chose this version of scoring because I wanted to give higher weight to wins in challenges with more participants; winning a challenge with 50 participants is definitely more impressive than winning a challenge with 5 participants. Off the top of my head, I see a few possible scoring systems:

a) The one I'm currently using (see first post)
b) A version of above, with each challenge weighted equally. 1st place gets 100 points, 2nd place gets 99 points, etc. Ties handled the same. With this, coming in last place in the Indian challenge (with only 11 participants) would get you 90 points (assuming no ties). Where as coming in last place in a challenge with 50 participants would get you 51 points (again, assuming no ties).
c) A percentage-based system. Each challenge is worth 100 points, and they get assigned based on the percent of total films watched. For example, in the Indian challenge, 72allinncallme would have received 52.04 points for utterly dominating the challenge, having watched 51 films of 98 total watches (i.e., (51/98)*100 = 52.04).
d) Others...

So what are people's thoughts on scoring?

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Post by albajos » October 9th, 2017, 7:08 pm

No need to overdo it. To say that 1-2 isn't enough. Well, what is enough? 7? 31?

Doing it like this makes it easy to understand, easy to calculate for everyone, and stays fun.

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Post by cinephage » October 9th, 2017, 10:17 pm

Armoreska on Oct 9 2017, 12:38:53 PM wrote:The number of participants shouldn't have much weight on the score. Watching 2 or 3 movies is not actual participating
I also disagree. When someone posts his participation in a challenge, he/she becomes part of it. There is an awareness, an involvement, there. However limited, this involvement reveals an intent to be part of the event, of sharing with the other participants.

I wouldn't discount this... In my case, I know it can weigh on my viewing choices, even though it's only one or two movies (I usually pick more, but get distracted for whatever reason)...

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Post by sortile9io » October 10th, 2017, 8:48 am

Without complicating it more you could use number of wins, participations and films to break the total score ties. Take for instance, in the lower part of the table:

fori 17 1 15 0
Nopros 17 1 21 0
musikurt 17 1 31 0

musikurt should probably be first and fori last.
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Post by maxwelldeux » October 10th, 2017, 9:30 am

sortile9io on Oct 10 2017, 02:48:37 AM wrote:Without complicating it more you could use number of wins, participations and films to break the total score ties.
I like the idea! I hadn't thought too deeply about tiebreakers, but what you said makes a lot of sense.

PS to all: I'm slowly moving backwards in time as I gather these data. I have the last 3 months of 2016 complete. Do y'all want periodic updates, or hold off until I have large chunks (e.g., years) complete?

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Post by albajos » October 10th, 2017, 9:45 am

Years are the most tidy way to do it. Thanks.

Just a note about ties with a challenge, would it not make more sense to give:
1. 8 points
2. 7 points
3. 6 points
3. 6 points
3. 6 points
6. 3 points
7. 2 points
8. 1 points
rather than an average?

Also, if you want to reward people actually winning, give those two extra points and the runner-up one extra point. (like we do in Eurovision SC)

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Post by maxwelldeux » October 10th, 2017, 5:57 pm

albajos on Oct 10 2017, 03:45:43 AM wrote:Years are the most tidy way to do it. Thanks.

Just a note about ties with a challenge, would it not make more sense to give:
1. 8 points
2. 7 points
3. 6 points
3. 6 points
3. 6 points
6. 3 points
7. 2 points
8. 1 points
rather than an average?

Also, if you want to reward people actually winning, give those two extra points and the runner-up one extra point. (like we do in Eurovision SC)
Years it is, unless there are strong objections.

On the scoring (nerd warning):

If you view the points as purely rankings-based (looking up), then yes, what you said makes more sense. In your example, those three people who tied for 3rd place have only two people above them in rankings, so each of them could earn 6 points. But it is also equally true that those three people who tied for 3rd place tied for fourth from the bottom, so if you allocate scores bottom up, they should all receive 4 points. The current scoring system splits the difference.

Another way too look at it is that there are [N(N+1)]/2 points to allocate, where N is the number of participants in a given challenge (this is the sum of the numbers from 1 to N). With 8 participants, this would be 36 total points to allocate. The current scoring allocates exactly 36 points, whereas the rankings-based scoring would assign 39 points (and would assign more if there were additional ties). Think prize money - the three people who tied for 3rd would each receive the average of the purses of the 3rd, 4th, and 5th place finishes.

OK. All that said, I'm certainly open to modifying the scoring based on what consensus we reach. To be honest, my default option is going to be sticking with what I've done, largely out of laziness. But I'm happy to change the scoring based on thoughts around here.

Finally, bonus points - I'm cool with that. Thoughts?

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Post by albajos » October 10th, 2017, 6:05 pm

maxwelldeux on Oct 10 2017, 11:57:29 AM wrote:who tied for 3rd place have only two people above them in rankings, so each of them could earn 6 points. But it is also equally true that those three people who tied for 3rd place tied for fourth from the bottom, so if you allocate scores bottom up, they should all receive 4 points.
But the glas is half full, not half empty :)

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Post by maxwelldeux » October 10th, 2017, 6:19 pm

albajos on Oct 10 2017, 12:05:38 PM wrote:
maxwelldeux on Oct 10 2017, 11:57:29 AM wrote:who tied for 3rd place have only two people above them in rankings, so each of them could earn 6 points. But it is also equally true that those three people who tied for 3rd place tied for fourth from the bottom, so if you allocate scores bottom up, they should all receive 4 points.
But the glas is half full, not half empty :)
Maybe from where you're sitting... :whistling: :banana:

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Post by 3eyes » October 10th, 2017, 11:23 pm

I'm not going to weigh in on scoring, but I do appreciate this and would be delighted to see the other years/total stats in whatever form.

I must say I was a bit startled to find myself in the top 10 as I haven't participated nearly this much this year as before. Until recently I have tended to report anything I happen to see that fits a current challenge I'm not otherwise interested in, but I don't really see any virtue in that.
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Post by maxwelldeux » October 11th, 2017, 6:28 am

Updated the Top Post. It now includes the current status of the Overall leaderboard (2016-present data), and has separate tables for 2017 and 2016. Enjoy! And please let me know what feedback you have...

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Post by sortile9io » October 11th, 2017, 8:43 am

There must be something wrong with the number of wins column in 2017. I have one even though I haven't actually won anything this year and PeacefulAnarchy has two wins but only one participation.

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Post by albajos » October 11th, 2017, 8:55 am

Well, my four wins from 2017 is also in counted in the 2016 table, so it seems it's the all-time total in all tables
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Post by maxwelldeux » October 11th, 2017, 5:07 pm

Blarg. Thanks y'all - I'm stupidly counting all-time wins in every table. I'll figure out how to fix that.

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Post by connordenney » October 15th, 2017, 11:58 pm

I'm tied for 3rd in terms of number of challenges competed in, but I'm also the top-ranked person who hasn't seen 100 total movies for the challenges

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Post by maxwelldeux » October 16th, 2017, 6:53 am

Updated the first post.

I've added the stats for 2015, updated the overall leaderboard to be 2015-2017 (inclusive), and fixed that wins count thing I screwed up.

Enjoy! And please let me know if you have updates/corrections/feedback.

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Post by sortile9io » October 16th, 2017, 10:55 am

Thank you, maxwelldeux! I really appreciate your work. Although some results are a a bit frustrating, like this:

22. - Buksemannen: 159, 5, 81, 9.00, 0
74. - sortile9io: 62.5, 5, 238, 3.20, 2

Both have participated in five challenges, I won two, with near three times more films, yet Buksemannen is near the top while I'm lost in the middle. I'll have to do something, can't stand being so low on a list.

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Post by Armoreska » October 16th, 2017, 12:50 pm

That's much better. 24th place is like first page!
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Post by maxwelldeux » October 16th, 2017, 4:55 pm

sortile9io on Oct 16 2017, 04:55:58 AM wrote:Thank you, maxwelldeux! I really appreciate your work. Although some results are a a bit frustrating, like this:

22. - Buksemannen: 159, 5, 81, 9.00, 0
74. - sortile9io: 62.5, 5, 238, 3.20, 2

Both have participated in five challenges, I won two, with near three times more films, yet Buksemannen is near the top while I'm lost in the middle. I'll have to do something, can't stand being so low on a list.
Well good news for you, sortile9io: You're moving up a spot.

For one of Buksemannen's scores, I accidentally tallied "110" when it should have been a "10". So that 159 will drop to a 59.

I've corrected it in my data file, and I'll update the tables when I add in the 2014 data.

Good catch! :thumbsup:

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Post by maxwelldeux » October 19th, 2017, 5:09 am

Updated the first post.

This update adds in the stats for 2014 in a separate table, and updates the overall leaderboard to include all official challenges 2014-present. It also corrects a few errors I've come across, including the one sortile9io pointed out last update. As such, all tables have been updated.

Also, for those of you who have changed usernames, please run through the Overall table - if you see both of your names listed, let me know somehow, and I'll merge the two. I've caught a couple of these already as I'm cleaning the data, but I'm betting I'm missing some.

Again, please send me updates/corrections/feedback and I'll make the appropriate fixes. Enjoy!



PS: Dear sweet, wonderful, competent, and stunningly attractive mods: Could we please get this topic Pinned in the Challenges subforum? :happy:

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Post by Armoreska » October 19th, 2017, 8:07 am

Wow Cinephage did win one, and makes #1!
I'm up to 18th as well, higher than expected
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Post by sortile9io » October 19th, 2017, 8:39 am

maxwelldeux on Oct 18 2017, 11:09:42 PM wrote:PS: Dear sweet, wonderful, competent, and stunningly attractive mods: Could we please get this topic Pinned in the Challenges subforum? :happy:
+1 (but only for the second half of the sentence and some parts of the first). :turned:

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Post by cinephage » October 19th, 2017, 9:27 am

Armoreska on Oct 19 2017, 02:07:31 AM wrote:Wow Cinephage did win one, and makes #1!
I'm up to 18th as well, higher than expected
That was my plan all along... I let others win and pass in front of me, and lost to more than 100 challenges of all kind, knowing that eventually I would have the last laugh.
And I don't intend to win either of the challenges I'm doing right now either... Justice will come to me in the end !!!

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