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Post by maxwelldeux » October 8th, 2017, 10:17 pm

Methods
Pretty simple methodology - I went to the Challenges Index (thanks for keeping that up-to-date, btw) and followed links to all the official challenges. I copied the final results (usually in the first post, though there were a couple of exceptions) into Excel. I did a little data cleanup (using consistent usernames and getting the results to appear as numbers), then assigned ranks and computed scoring (details below). From there, it was just some minor Excel magic, and boom - results.

Scoring
I used a version of NASCAR scoring. Points are based on the number of participants in a challenge and the final rank. So, if there were 20 participants in a challenge, the 1st place person would get 20 points, 2nd place gets 19 points, 3rd place gets 18 points, and so on. For ties, I assigned the average of the points that would have been earned for all those ranks. So, continuing with this example, if two people tied for 4th place (out of 20), each of them would receive (17+16)/2 = 16.5 points. The person in 6th would receive 15 points, and so on. Finally, to be included, you had to have watched at least one film for the official challenge.

**Edited 5 June 2019**
Overall Official Challenges Leaderboard (2011-May 2019)Show
Overall Official Challenges Leaderboard
Rank Participant Total Score # Challenges Competed In Total Number of films Watched for Official Challenges Average Rank in Challenges Number of Challenge Wins Rank Change
1 allisoncm 2058.5 156 3221 12.15 6
2 flavo5000 2031.5 83 5778 8.31 18
3 3eyes 1777 162 2039 13.12 4
4 sol 1711 71 2497 8.69 4
5 jeroeno 1679 70 3253 7.51 13 +1
6 cinephage 1649 168 1683 15.05 1 -1
7 jdidaco 1620.5 64 3043 8.84 6
8 psychotronicbeatnik 1582.5 51 3094 4.86 6
9 72allinncallme 1549.5 59 2908 7.83 7
10 maxwelldeux 1486.5 71 1940 11.82 1
11 albajos 1445.5 67 3271 7.99 10
12 RogerTheMovieManiac88 1404 59 2057 11.25 2
13 frbrown 1343.5 92 2100 14.33 2
14 OldAle1 1303.5 57 1425 12.37 1
15 Sebby 1260.5 81 1601 17.41 0
16 ororama 1173.5 91 1079 16.92 0
17 weirdboy 1168 61 1554 14.49 0 +2
18 hurluberlu 1143.5 62 1264 15.90 0
19 Mate_cosido 1133.5 50 1384 12.94 1 -2
20 VincentPrice 1129 92 1905 16.41 0
21 klaus78 1069.5 53 1668 10.08 3
22 Daviddoes 995 58 1836 11.71 4
23 ChrisReynolds 898 52 1324 12.79 3
24 Knaldskalle 881.5 87 891 19.83 1
25 nimimerkillinen 814.5 68 757 20.07 1
26 Fergenaprido 781.5 69 647 16.80 1
27 Simba63 768.5 29 1432 11.10 3 +2
28 vortexsurfer 746 43 750 18.84 0 -1
29 sushantv10 742 60 1590 9.18 10 -1
30 clemmetarey 654 42 630 15.40 0
31 India Istanbul 587.5 28 711 18.14 1
32 HVM 566.5 50 931 8.68 2
33 blocho 555 69 432 24.35 0 +4
34 burneyfan 540 41 1074 7.93 4 +1
35 peeptoad 539.5 23 568 15.43 0 +1
36 funkybusiness 537.5 53 495 19.68 0 -3
37 mightysparks 537 48 1423 18.13 3 -3
38 Cippenham 510.5 52 730 12.81 1
39 Lonewolf2003 501.5 37 498 17.57 0 +1
40 tommy_leazaq 486.5 58 479 17.74 0 -1
41 St. Gloede 469.5 28 888 8.29 4
42 mjf314 466.5 46 935 7.57 9
43 PeacefulAnarchy 459 25 990 8.44 4
44 tourdesb 458.5 24 1215 4.96 6
45 PUNQ 437 20 1129 8.20 6 +3
46 Mochard 425 35 615 18.17 0 -1
47 Nathan Treadway 403.5 30 542 12.50 0 +7
47 mathiasa 403.5 33 414 23.00 0 -1
49 zuma 402 27 695 9.00 2 -2
50 te18 396 20 824 14.05 1 -1
51 XxXApathy420XxX 391.5 32 519 14.75 2 -1
52 Nopros 375.5 25 689 8.52 2 -1
53 kingink 373 23 855 4.70 3 -1
54 Kasparius 368.5 31 640 13.87 4 -1
55 morrison-dylan-fan 361 22 330 20.73 0
56 blueboybob 345.5 16 600 19.06 1
57 45MinuteZoom 338.5 26 449 17.08 1
58 shugs 338 21 304 24.05 0 +4
59 Lilarcor 335 43 315 16.35 2 -1
60 Gorro 329.5 20 485 15.45 0 -1
61 jgwr 319.5 31 365 13.77 0 -1
62 jvv 318 40 414 19.38 1 -1
63 zzzorf 309.5 27 315 26.52 0
64 WalterNeff 305 17 904 5.24 2
65 tarr 296.5 23 439 10.78 1
66 kierkegaardian 291 6 780 6.00 2
66 Cocoa 291 16 537 12.38 2
68 metaller 290 19 384 11.95 0
69 Melvelet 284.5 46 264 17.39 0
70 Hunziker 280.5 20 394 21.80 0
71 Ivan0716 278.5 11 509 12.73 2
72 Leopardi 278 8 445 16.63 0
73 Kowry 266.5 27 355 16.26 0
74 Wise Jake 265 15 344 14.47 0
75 Perception de Ambiguity 263.5 11 456 7.91 2
76 connordenney 263 61 196 23.20 0
77 Eve-Lang-El-Coup 262.5 10 442 4.40 0
78 brokenface 261.5 30 367 11.50 1
79 sortile9io 242.5 12 490 3.58 3
80 Armoreska 239.5 19 635 5.47 4
81 monclivie 238.5 8 278 17.25 0
82 Tarris1 231.5 16 228 20.56 0 +2
82 RBG 231.5 19 155 21.58 0
84 jonas2k 228.5 21 280 14.00 0 -1
85 edward5 209.5 11 278 12.09 0
86 Eva_L 209 15 242 26.80 0
87 sheikofhyrule 207 20 225 18.10 0 +2
88 Carmel1379 197.5 12 252 18.17 0 -1
89 themagician 189.5 17 337 11.53 1 -1
90 redcard29 188 11 355 9.00 0
91 mondovertigo 176.5 11 231 18.36 1
92 Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi 174 26 148 17.04 0
93 SeanMX12 171.5 15 436 10.53 1
94 Timec 169.5 23 226 13.57 0
95 Hippiemans 166 17 132 29.41 0
96 Tomelce 165 16 229 12.44 0
96 Gregmnewman 165 16 262 11.56 0
98 Traveller 162 5 319 2.20 2 +6
99 1SO 161.5 4 205 13.25 0 -1
100 jajusu 161 7 275 6.71 0 -1
101 AB537 155.5 8 116 15.38 0 +9
102 ryebass 151.5 16 207 13.69 1 -2
103 esiersdale 150.5 21 241 10.29 1 -2
104 Sir Plebeian 145 10 225 11.80 0 -2
105 Ataraxic 142 12 348 6.83 3 -2
106 flaiky 137 9 108 20.56 0 -2
107 afirm 133 15 140 11.93 0 -1
108 sennaho 127.5 5 213 27.00 0 -1
109 perceval 121.5 11 111 15.73 0 -1
110 max-scl 119.5 10 177 13.00 0 -1
111 beeswax 113.5 9 292 5.67 1
112 rnilsson19 113 4 131 12.50 0
113 Straka 112 6 70 17.67 0 +2
114 Coryn 108.5 10 84 25.90 0 +2
115 ormazd 108 6 470 5.33 1 -2
116 Lammetje 106 8 76 12.63 0 -2
117 maksler 101 6 122 8.50 0 -1
118 Nuclearplanet 100 17 153 22.53 0
119 Good_Will_Harding 99.5 5 114 27.00 0
120 andreischz 97 7 114 10.57 0
121 aces 95 9 180 8.00 1
122 lampadatriste 92 13 154 11.08 0
122 greenhorg 92 3 130 23.00 0
122 b_n 92 8 144 13.00 0
125 wowwee123 91.5 21 89 21.62 0
126 timmy_501 90.5 4 142 12.25 0
127 Gershwin 90 14 92 12.57 0
128 medium cool 89 2 126 15.50 0
129 fori 86 3 202 4.67 0 +27
130 insomnius 85.5 5 99 25.40 0 -1
131 Cinematiamo 81.5 3 307 5.67 2 -1
132 globetrotter 79 13 69 15.77 1 -1
133 Buksemannen 78 6 113 7.67 1 -1
133 marazmatique 78 6 88 28.50 0 -1
135 rohit 77 6 163 8.83 0 -1
136 SkilledLunatic 76.5 8 84 16.00 0 -1
137 rokp 75.5 11 99 10.55 0 -1
138 el-thedeath 73 2 88 13.00 0 -1
139 Mario Gaborović 72.5 5 200 3.20 1 -1
140 paul281f 71.5 4 114 24.75 0 -1
141 fear of 13 70.5 7 52 29.43 0 -1
142 joachimt 68 9 119 18.11 1 -1
143 prat 66.5 5 180 5.40 1 -1
144 Josh_Glover 64 3 55 12.00 0 -1
145 Bal3x 63.5 5 148 9.00 0 -1
146 edkrak 62.5 11 63 23.27 0 -1
147 sacmersault 62 3 53 14.67 0 -1
148 GruesomeTwosome 60.5 4 44 35.25 0 -1
149 Onderhond 59 4 51 18.25 0 -1
149 lynchs 59 10 23 28.00 0 -1
151 Kublai Khan 58 4 106 8.50 0 -1
152 Samar 57.5 6 62 10.50 0 -1
153 wasabi 57 3 115 19.67 1 -1
154 beavis 52 3 148 5.00 1 -1
154 Renegade 52 3 61 20.33 0 +8
154 noruas 52 3 177 7.33 0 -1
157 Harco 51.5 3 43 22.67 0 -2
158 Level 50.5 2 62 27.50 0 -1
159 wuzzawuzz 50 3 127 4.33 1 -1
159 LarsC 50 4 82 7.50 0 -1
161 Spocksbrain 48 1 160 2.00 0 -1
162 Samlion 47.5 3 73 5.67 0 -1
163 George Bailey 45.5 10 63 15.00 0
164 Lakigigar 44.5 7 38 35.86 0
164 insomnia 44.5 4 76 10.50 0
166 bjornam 43.5 4 39 21.50 0
167 pjim 40.5 7 54 16.57 0
168 kisbye 39 2 60 4.00 0
168 nicolino 39 2 73 22.00 0
170 Dolwphin 38.5 8 51 16.75 0
171 Cynical Cinephile 37.5 3 42 20.33 0
172 tirefeet 36.5 7 37 10.86 0
172 Kobrakai 36.5 2 32 9.50 0
174 Limedebois 36 3 91 4.67 0
174 idiotwind 36 3 80 15.00 0
176 Chemosh6969 34 4 77 11.00 1
177 bubar 33 3 76 9.00 0
177 filmbantha 33 2 31 26.00 0
177 lisa- 33 2 64 2.50 0
180 MMAlpha 30 2 63 7.00 0
180 TraverseTown 30 2 53 21.00 0
180 darkflame 30 5 42 12.80 0
183 priddy_44 29 2 49 8.50 0
184 hiimstacey 27.5 1 29 24.00 0
184 ignatzkat 27.5 3 62 7.33 1
184 deepspeaks 27.5 4 34 13.50 0
187 Enigma 25.5 5 30 13.20 0
188 Pain 25 3 108 10.33 1
188 onshy 25 3 28 11.33 0
188 Bobby Peru 25 4 29 17.00 0
188 slylingual24 25 2 26 10.50 0
192 MilenaFlaherty 24.5 3 36 8.33 0
193 Revo 23.5 2 91 8.00 0
193 lisagirl 23.5 2 19 14.00 0
195 implar 23 2 22 20.50 0
195 schwrz 23 2 26 9.50 0
197 Abdullah ozu 22.5 1 10 20.00 0
197 AdamH 22.5 4 33 15.25 0
199 Minkin 22 1 10 23.00 0
199 mimurph1 22 1 39 11.00 0
201 soitgoes 21.5 2 33 14.00 0
202 Opio 21 1 9 24.00 0
202 JiraffeJustin 21 4 33 13.25 0
204 TheMadcapLaughs 20 1 34 8.00 0
204 ca_horror_fan 20 1 32 7.00 0
206 log89 19.5 4 24 31.00 0
207 beasterne 19 1 15 17.00 0
207 Micron 19 1 25 3.00 0
207 Chilton 19 1 15 8.00 0
210 bunnycorns 18.5 2 17 27.50 0
211 EssexMutant 17 1 51 1.00 1
211 monty 17 6 18 19.17 0
211 musikurt 17 1 31 5.00 0
211 Mulholland 17 1 38 2.00 0
215 Y U M E 16.5 1 19 5.00 0
216 Gonzalito199 16 2 9 30.00 0
217 Laydback 15 1 34 6.00 0
217 Wonderful Rainbow 15 3 13 24.33 0
219 Ebbywebby 14.5 1 10 23.00 0
220 Kloraliv 14 1 25 4.00 0
221 Obgeoff 13.5 2 10 24.00 0 New
222 gerryt 13 1 32 8.00 0 -1
222 Toasterstrudles 13 1 15 7.00 0 -1
222 Apu 13 1 20 3.00 0 -1
225 inmybubble 12.5 1 13 10.00 0 -1
226 SeVKiTT 12 2 6 15.00 0 -1
226 Oliuj 12 1 10 31.00 0 -1
226 drbop 12 1 19 6.00 0 -1
229 RedHawk10 11.5 1 10 51.00 0 -1
229 ataraxick 11.5 1 19 3.00 0 -1
231 RollingWonder 11 1 22 4.00 0 -1
231 Rigters 11 1 19 9.00 0 -1
231 Coopaloop 11 1 14 6.00 0 -1
234 Innocuous Bird 10.5 2 24 16.50 0 -1
235 ZombieCPA 10 1 12 35.00 0 -1
235 BadSmile 10 1 15 21.00 0 -1
237 Houston 9.5 1 4 17.00 0 -1
237 dormice 9.5 1 9 12.00 0 -1
239 xianjiro 9 1 5 34.00 0 -1
240 takk71 8 2 8 22.00 0 -1
240 Alberto 8 1 10 14.00 0 -1
240 Ekaterina- 8 1 24 9.00 0 -1
240 Muellwind 8 1 15 3.00 0 -1
244 wezy 7 1 12 15.00 0 -1
244 jerilee 7 1 3 10.00 0 -1
244 Quartoxuma 7 1 4 14.00 0 -1
244 Rad82 7 1 5 13.00 0 -1
244 Halie 7 1 5 20.00 0 -1
249 Pgonzalez 6.5 2 8 32.50 0 -1
249 micmacs 6.5 2 3 34.00 0 -1
251 jocularities 6 1 4 19.00 0 -1
251 pongy_papaya 6 1 7 11.00 0 -1
253 fkaymak 5.5 1 5 8.00 0 -1
253 CMT 5.5 1 4 44.00 0 -1
253 magnusbe 5.5 2 5 19.50 0 -1
256 Chrilleee 5 1 9 16.00 0 -1
256 ErikSchierboom 5 1 3 37.00 0 -1
256 SirFigNewton 5 1 2 22.00 0 -1
256 deepak1990 5 1 3 17.00 0 -1
256 zhangalan 5 1 6 11.00 0 -1
261 lvn0716 4.5 1 5 17.00 0 -1
261 Elmozg 4.5 1 6 12.00 0 -1
261 OS314 4.5 1 2 19.00 0 -1
261 kingclio 4.5 1 4 10.00 0 -1
265 Jimi Antiloop 4 1 1 27.00 0 -1
265 DeanWindow 4 1 2 17.00 0 -1
265 spinal tapper 4 1 3 22.00 0 -1
268 essiersdale 3.5 1 1 11.00 0 -1
269 Hanspelling 3 1 3 19.00 0 -1
269 tobias 3 1 3 53.00 0 -1
269 avid 3 1 2 22.00 0 -1
269 billyvaneyck 3 1 4 23.00 0 -1
269 cinewest 3 1 1 35.00 0 -1
274 Lukewaffe 2.5 2 2 16.00 0 -1
274 vendetta 2.5 1 2 35.00 0 -1
274 Panunzio 2.5 1 1 14.00 0 -1
274 Oakie 2.5 1 1 23.00 0 -1
274 watchayakan 2.5 1 2 15.00 0 -1
279 Alfredo Garcia 2 1 4 31.00 0 -1
279 matthewscott8 2 1 1 36.00 0 -1
281 Jay Mars 1.5 1 1 12.00 0 -1
281 Run4thetop 1.5 1 1 50.00 0 -1
283 dombrewer 1 1 2 21.00 0 -1
283 jort13 1 1 1 22.00 0 -1


[Apologies - it was my intention to keep all the years' leaderboards contained in a single post; however, I ran up against the character limit for a single post, so I'm putting them in individual posts and linking to them.]

Prior Years' Leaderboards
2018 Leaderboard
2017 Leaderboard
2016 Leaderboard
2015 Leaderboard
2014 Leaderboard
2013 Leaderboard
2012 Leaderboard
2011 Leaderboard

Challenge-Specific Leaderboards
Animation
Cult/Grindhouse/Drive-In
Documentary
Films Directed by Women
French
Horror
Noir
Russian
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Post by frbrown » October 9th, 2017, 12:06 am

Interesting.

72allinn is strangely low - his numbers look comparable to those of flavo and jdidaco.


2017 Official Challenges Leader Board
ParticipantTotal Score# Challenges Competed InTotal Number of Films Watched for Official ChallengesNumber of Challenge Wins
tourdesb5641552


2 wins in 4 attempts - impressive :poshclap:
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Post by maxwelldeux » October 9th, 2017, 1:24 am

frbrown on Oct 8 2017, 06:06:02 PM wrote:Interesting.

72allinn is strangely low - his numbers look comparable to those of flavo and jdidaco.
I see what you're saying, but it's just a weird quirk of the scoring. flavo5000 and jdidaco had slightly higher average ranks, and 72allinncallme had the misfortune of dominating some less popular challenges (most notably the Indian challenge, with only 11 participants, so only 11 points for 1st place).

I was super impressed with albajos and cinephage for participating in all 18 challenges so far this year, as well as you (frbrown), sol, 3eyes, and ororama for being there more than half the time.

Of course, I'm a huge stats nerd, so I find all of this interesting. :whistling:

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Post by Knaldskalle » October 9th, 2017, 4:57 am

Interesting meta-challenge, Maxwell. Without going into a deeper analysis of the scoring I'm guessing it's better to participate in few challenges and then really work to win them, rather than participating in "everything" and then only watch 1-2 movies?

Since we have all the old challenges archived, we could actually go back and figure out who "won" the annual Official Challenge Leaderboard every year. Might be fun for those so inclined.
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Post by cinephage » October 9th, 2017, 7:18 am

This is an interesting, and rather unexpected, at least for me, result. As I'm a slow viewer, I almost never win challenges, but I usually enjoy participating in most. This ranking rewards consistency rather than performance on a concentrated period, and this is closer to my approach to film-watching.
Diversity preserves me from movie fatigue (at least until now).

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Post by sortile9io » October 9th, 2017, 8:59 am

maxwelldeux on Oct 8 2017, 04:17:18 PM wrote:And if there's interest, I'll keep going backwards in time and create leader boards for other years, as well as an all-time leader board.
An all-time board would be great. Also an extra column on the left with ranking positions.

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Post by Armoreska » October 9th, 2017, 9:54 am

Oh man 740 movies for challenges. I've got 0. Maybe 2018.
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Post by cinephage » October 9th, 2017, 10:36 am

I've watched 413 films in 2017... These 169 watches mean 41% of my watches are for challenges. Not bad, not bad...

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Post by mathiasa » October 9th, 2017, 10:38 am

Horror challenge will give a lot of points :clap:

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Post by sol » October 9th, 2017, 10:41 am

This is a fantastic idea. :clap: I hope you keep it up since it will give me much needed extra motivation to participate in more Challenges, both this month and into the future (though I'm not sure how I'll cope with 36 Official Challenges next year). Really cool in case to rank #2. :thumbsup:
maxwelldeux on wrote:I was super impressed with albajos and cinephage for participating in all 18 challenges so far this year, as well as you (frbrown), sol, 3eyes, and ororama for being there more than half the time.
Even more impressive considering that I wasn't registered here in January. This means that I have participated in 14 out of 16 possible Challenges. Didn't realise that my participation was anywhere near that high! (D:)
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Post by sol » October 9th, 2017, 10:47 am

cinephage on Oct 9 2017, 04:36:24 AM wrote:I've watched 413 films in 2017... These 169 watches mean 41% of my watches are for challenges. Not bad, not bad...
I think the accuracy of total films seen can be disputed since there are probably a few dozen films that I have counted towards two simultaneous Challenges, and I wouldn't be alone with that.

If we assume the total is accurate though, that means that 399 out of 517 films (77%) I have seen so far this year have been for Official Challenges.

Oh, wait, that number is excluding Horror Challenge viewings, so the percentage is probably even higher. Some shorts in there too, but I'm guessing around 80%.
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Post by 72allinncallme » October 9th, 2017, 11:19 am

Hmm, I think number of films watched should get included in the score somehow. Perhaps; All movies watched in all challenges divided on number of challenges participated. So in Albajos case he gets 290.5 points (249.5p + 741/18 = 290.5). But maybe I’m just saying that because I think I would benefit from that. :whistling:

But great initiative and an interesting read Max! :)
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Post by sol » October 9th, 2017, 11:28 am

72allinncallme on Oct 9 2017, 05:19:29 AM wrote:But maybe I’m just saying that because I think I would benefit from that. :whistling:
Yeah, stop thinking of ways to climb above me in the rankings. :P I can't help it if hardly anyone participated in the one Challenge where you watched over 50% of all movies viewed. ;)
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Post by Lilarcor » October 9th, 2017, 2:12 pm

Great effort! Consider me interested in the all-time rankings.

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Post by frbrown » October 9th, 2017, 3:15 pm

Knaldskalle on Oct 8 2017, 10:57:25 PM wrote:Without going into a deeper analysis of the scoring I'm guessing it's better to participate in few challenges and then really work to win them, rather than participating in "everything" and then only watch 1-2 movies?
It doesn't look that way to me. I participated in 13 challenges and won none; 72allinn participated in 8 and won 3 (and watched 300 films more than I did), and he's ranked below me. Tourdesb participated in 4 challenges and won 2, and he only ranks at #20.

Only 6 people participated in more than half of the challenges, and all 6 of us are ranked in the top 10.
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Post by maxwelldeux » October 9th, 2017, 5:37 pm

Glad you all found this interesting! I'll keep going back in time, and create an all time leader board, as well as ones for each individual year. With the way I've structured the data (well, once I'm through with this), I can also easily generate leader boards for regular challenges (e.g., an all-time leaderboard for the official Horror challenges), as interest dictates.
Knaldskalle on wrote:Interesting meta-challenge, Maxwell. Without going into a deeper analysis of the scoring I'm guessing it's better to participate in few challenges and then really work to win them, rather than participating in "everything" and then only watch 1-2 movies?
Yeah - like frbrown said, I think more challenges is better. I'm actually a decent example - I participated in 9 of the challenges, but never really went after a win. A small handful of films each time, and I'm in the top quarter. Even 1 or 2 films, which may count for a challenge, even though you're not actively pursuing that challenge, will move you up the leaderboard pretty quick.
sortile9io on wrote:Also an extra column on the left with ranking positions.
Good idea! I'll get right on that.
sol on wrote:I think the accuracy of total films seen can be disputed since there are probably a few dozen films that I have counted towards two simultaneous Challenges, and I wouldn't be alone with that.
Very true, and not really something I can control - I just consider it an embedded bonus in the scoring.
72allinncallme on wrote:Hmm, I think number of films watched should get included in the score somehow. Perhaps; All movies watched in all challenges divided on number of challenges participated. So in Albajos case he gets 290.5 points (249.5p + 741/18 = 290.5).
Interesting idea - I'll play around with some numbers and see what I can come up with.

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Post by Armoreska » October 9th, 2017, 6:38 pm

The number of participants shouldn't have much weight on the score. Watching 2 or 3 movies is not actual participating
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Post by maxwelldeux » October 9th, 2017, 7:03 pm

Armoreska on Oct 9 2017, 12:38:53 PM wrote:The number of participants shouldn't have much weight on the score. Watching 2 or 3 movies is not actual participating
I understand your point, but I disagree. I view the challenges as a fun way to get out of your comfort zone and watch things you wouldn't ordinarily be drawn to. Even if you watch one film, it should count towards the challenge.

Then there's the practical issue you bring up about the scoring system, which is an open question and worth discussing. I chose this version of scoring because I wanted to give higher weight to wins in challenges with more participants; winning a challenge with 50 participants is definitely more impressive than winning a challenge with 5 participants. Off the top of my head, I see a few possible scoring systems:

a) The one I'm currently using (see first post)
b) A version of above, with each challenge weighted equally. 1st place gets 100 points, 2nd place gets 99 points, etc. Ties handled the same. With this, coming in last place in the Indian challenge (with only 11 participants) would get you 90 points (assuming no ties). Where as coming in last place in a challenge with 50 participants would get you 51 points (again, assuming no ties).
c) A percentage-based system. Each challenge is worth 100 points, and they get assigned based on the percent of total films watched. For example, in the Indian challenge, 72allinncallme would have received 52.04 points for utterly dominating the challenge, having watched 51 films of 98 total watches (i.e., (51/98)*100 = 52.04).
d) Others...

So what are people's thoughts on scoring?

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Post by albajos » October 9th, 2017, 7:08 pm

No need to overdo it. To say that 1-2 isn't enough. Well, what is enough? 7? 31?

Doing it like this makes it easy to understand, easy to calculate for everyone, and stays fun.

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Post by cinephage » October 9th, 2017, 10:17 pm

Armoreska on Oct 9 2017, 12:38:53 PM wrote:The number of participants shouldn't have much weight on the score. Watching 2 or 3 movies is not actual participating
I also disagree. When someone posts his participation in a challenge, he/she becomes part of it. There is an awareness, an involvement, there. However limited, this involvement reveals an intent to be part of the event, of sharing with the other participants.

I wouldn't discount this... In my case, I know it can weigh on my viewing choices, even though it's only one or two movies (I usually pick more, but get distracted for whatever reason)...

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Post by sortile9io » October 10th, 2017, 8:48 am

Without complicating it more you could use number of wins, participations and films to break the total score ties. Take for instance, in the lower part of the table:

fori 17 1 15 0
Nopros 17 1 21 0
musikurt 17 1 31 0

musikurt should probably be first and fori last.
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Post by maxwelldeux » October 10th, 2017, 9:30 am

sortile9io on Oct 10 2017, 02:48:37 AM wrote:Without complicating it more you could use number of wins, participations and films to break the total score ties.
I like the idea! I hadn't thought too deeply about tiebreakers, but what you said makes a lot of sense.

PS to all: I'm slowly moving backwards in time as I gather these data. I have the last 3 months of 2016 complete. Do y'all want periodic updates, or hold off until I have large chunks (e.g., years) complete?

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Post by albajos » October 10th, 2017, 9:45 am

Years are the most tidy way to do it. Thanks.

Just a note about ties with a challenge, would it not make more sense to give:
1. 8 points
2. 7 points
3. 6 points
3. 6 points
3. 6 points
6. 3 points
7. 2 points
8. 1 points
rather than an average?

Also, if you want to reward people actually winning, give those two extra points and the runner-up one extra point. (like we do in Eurovision SC)

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Post by maxwelldeux » October 10th, 2017, 5:57 pm

albajos on Oct 10 2017, 03:45:43 AM wrote:Years are the most tidy way to do it. Thanks.

Just a note about ties with a challenge, would it not make more sense to give:
1. 8 points
2. 7 points
3. 6 points
3. 6 points
3. 6 points
6. 3 points
7. 2 points
8. 1 points
rather than an average?

Also, if you want to reward people actually winning, give those two extra points and the runner-up one extra point. (like we do in Eurovision SC)
Years it is, unless there are strong objections.

On the scoring (nerd warning):

If you view the points as purely rankings-based (looking up), then yes, what you said makes more sense. In your example, those three people who tied for 3rd place have only two people above them in rankings, so each of them could earn 6 points. But it is also equally true that those three people who tied for 3rd place tied for fourth from the bottom, so if you allocate scores bottom up, they should all receive 4 points. The current scoring system splits the difference.

Another way too look at it is that there are [N(N+1)]/2 points to allocate, where N is the number of participants in a given challenge (this is the sum of the numbers from 1 to N). With 8 participants, this would be 36 total points to allocate. The current scoring allocates exactly 36 points, whereas the rankings-based scoring would assign 39 points (and would assign more if there were additional ties). Think prize money - the three people who tied for 3rd would each receive the average of the purses of the 3rd, 4th, and 5th place finishes.

OK. All that said, I'm certainly open to modifying the scoring based on what consensus we reach. To be honest, my default option is going to be sticking with what I've done, largely out of laziness. But I'm happy to change the scoring based on thoughts around here.

Finally, bonus points - I'm cool with that. Thoughts?

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Post by albajos » October 10th, 2017, 6:05 pm

maxwelldeux on Oct 10 2017, 11:57:29 AM wrote:who tied for 3rd place have only two people above them in rankings, so each of them could earn 6 points. But it is also equally true that those three people who tied for 3rd place tied for fourth from the bottom, so if you allocate scores bottom up, they should all receive 4 points.
But the glas is half full, not half empty :)

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Post by maxwelldeux » October 10th, 2017, 6:19 pm

albajos on Oct 10 2017, 12:05:38 PM wrote:
maxwelldeux on Oct 10 2017, 11:57:29 AM wrote:who tied for 3rd place have only two people above them in rankings, so each of them could earn 6 points. But it is also equally true that those three people who tied for 3rd place tied for fourth from the bottom, so if you allocate scores bottom up, they should all receive 4 points.
But the glas is half full, not half empty :)
Maybe from where you're sitting... :whistling: :banana:

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Post by 3eyes » October 10th, 2017, 11:23 pm

I'm not going to weigh in on scoring, but I do appreciate this and would be delighted to see the other years/total stats in whatever form.

I must say I was a bit startled to find myself in the top 10 as I haven't participated nearly this much this year as before. Until recently I have tended to report anything I happen to see that fits a current challenge I'm not otherwise interested in, but I don't really see any virtue in that.
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Post by maxwelldeux » October 11th, 2017, 6:28 am

Updated the Top Post. It now includes the current status of the Overall leaderboard (2016-present data), and has separate tables for 2017 and 2016. Enjoy! And please let me know what feedback you have...

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Post by sortile9io » October 11th, 2017, 8:43 am

There must be something wrong with the number of wins column in 2017. I have one even though I haven't actually won anything this year and PeacefulAnarchy has two wins but only one participation.

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Post by albajos » October 11th, 2017, 8:55 am

Well, my four wins from 2017 is also in counted in the 2016 table, so it seems it's the all-time total in all tables
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Post by maxwelldeux » October 11th, 2017, 5:07 pm

Blarg. Thanks y'all - I'm stupidly counting all-time wins in every table. I'll figure out how to fix that.

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Post by connordenney » October 15th, 2017, 11:58 pm

I'm tied for 3rd in terms of number of challenges competed in, but I'm also the top-ranked person who hasn't seen 100 total movies for the challenges

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Post by maxwelldeux » October 16th, 2017, 6:53 am

Updated the first post.

I've added the stats for 2015, updated the overall leaderboard to be 2015-2017 (inclusive), and fixed that wins count thing I screwed up.

Enjoy! And please let me know if you have updates/corrections/feedback.

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Post by sortile9io » October 16th, 2017, 10:55 am

Thank you, maxwelldeux! I really appreciate your work. Although some results are a a bit frustrating, like this:

22. - Buksemannen: 159, 5, 81, 9.00, 0
74. - sortile9io: 62.5, 5, 238, 3.20, 2

Both have participated in five challenges, I won two, with near three times more films, yet Buksemannen is near the top while I'm lost in the middle. I'll have to do something, can't stand being so low on a list.

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Post by Armoreska » October 16th, 2017, 12:50 pm

That's much better. 24th place is like first page!
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Post by maxwelldeux » October 16th, 2017, 4:55 pm

sortile9io on Oct 16 2017, 04:55:58 AM wrote:Thank you, maxwelldeux! I really appreciate your work. Although some results are a a bit frustrating, like this:

22. - Buksemannen: 159, 5, 81, 9.00, 0
74. - sortile9io: 62.5, 5, 238, 3.20, 2

Both have participated in five challenges, I won two, with near three times more films, yet Buksemannen is near the top while I'm lost in the middle. I'll have to do something, can't stand being so low on a list.
Well good news for you, sortile9io: You're moving up a spot.

For one of Buksemannen's scores, I accidentally tallied "110" when it should have been a "10". So that 159 will drop to a 59.

I've corrected it in my data file, and I'll update the tables when I add in the 2014 data.

Good catch! :thumbsup:

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Post by maxwelldeux » October 19th, 2017, 5:09 am

Updated the first post.

This update adds in the stats for 2014 in a separate table, and updates the overall leaderboard to include all official challenges 2014-present. It also corrects a few errors I've come across, including the one sortile9io pointed out last update. As such, all tables have been updated.

Also, for those of you who have changed usernames, please run through the Overall table - if you see both of your names listed, let me know somehow, and I'll merge the two. I've caught a couple of these already as I'm cleaning the data, but I'm betting I'm missing some.

Again, please send me updates/corrections/feedback and I'll make the appropriate fixes. Enjoy!



PS: Dear sweet, wonderful, competent, and stunningly attractive mods: Could we please get this topic Pinned in the Challenges subforum? :happy:

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Post by Armoreska » October 19th, 2017, 8:07 am

Wow Cinephage did win one, and makes #1!
I'm up to 18th as well, higher than expected
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Post by sortile9io » October 19th, 2017, 8:39 am

maxwelldeux on Oct 18 2017, 11:09:42 PM wrote:PS: Dear sweet, wonderful, competent, and stunningly attractive mods: Could we please get this topic Pinned in the Challenges subforum? :happy:
+1 (but only for the second half of the sentence and some parts of the first). :turned:

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Post by cinephage » October 19th, 2017, 9:27 am

Armoreska on Oct 19 2017, 02:07:31 AM wrote:Wow Cinephage did win one, and makes #1!
I'm up to 18th as well, higher than expected
That was my plan all along... I let others win and pass in front of me, and lost to more than 100 challenges of all kind, knowing that eventually I would have the last laugh.
And I don't intend to win either of the challenges I'm doing right now either... Justice will come to me in the end !!!

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