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Post by maxwelldeux » October 8th, 2017, 10:17 pm

Methods
Pretty simple methodology - I went to the Challenges Index (thanks for keeping that up-to-date, btw) and followed links to all the official challenges. I copied the final results (usually in the first post, though there were a couple of exceptions) into Excel. I did a little data cleanup (using consistent usernames and getting the results to appear as numbers), then assigned ranks and computed scoring (details below). From there, it was just some minor Excel magic, and boom - results.

Scoring
I used a version of NASCAR scoring. Points are based on the number of participants in a challenge and the final rank. So, if there were 20 participants in a challenge, the 1st place person would get 20 points, 2nd place gets 19 points, 3rd place gets 18 points, and so on. For ties, I assigned the average of the points that would have been earned for all those ranks. So, continuing with this example, if two people tied for 4th place (out of 20), each of them would receive (17+16)/2 = 16.5 points. The person in 6th would receive 15 points, and so on. Finally, to be included, you had to have watched at least one film for the official challenge.

**Edited 9 August 2019**
Overall Official Challenges Leaderboard (2011-July 2019)Show
Overall Official Challenges Leaderboard
Rank Participant Total Score # Challenges Competed In Total Number of films Watched for Official Challenges Average Rank in Challenges Number of Challenge Wins Rank Change
1 allisoncm 2138 162 3308 12.27 6
2 flavo5000 2119 88 6044 8.58 20
3 sol 1850.5 77 2734 8.49 4 +1
4 jeroeno 1831 76 3557 7.25 14 +1
5 3eyes 1826.5 168 2079 13.39 4 -2
6 jdidaco 1775 70 3387 8.39 6
7 cinephage 1726.5 174 1739 15.09 1
8 72allinncallme 1654 64 3193 7.92 8
9 psychotronicbeatnik 1615.5 52 3206 4.83 6
10 albajos 1588.5 73 3620 7.79 11 +1
10 maxwelldeux 1588.5 77 2070 11.79 1
12 RogerTheMovieManiac88 1523 65 2281 11.06 3
13 frbrown 1365.5 95 2121 14.71 2 +1
14 OldAle1 1355.5 60 1461 12.40 1 -1
15 Sebby 1320.5 87 1689 17.53 0
16 weirdboy 1238.5 65 1619 14.46 0
17 hurluberlu 1233 68 1371 15.71 0
18 ororama 1203.5 93 1143 16.90 0
19 VincentPrice 1201 96 1990 16.28 0
20 Mate_cosido 1148.5 51 1392 12.92 1
21 klaus78 1069.5 53 1668 10.08 3
22 Daviddoes 995 58 1836 11.71 4
23 ChrisReynolds 935 54 1353 12.63 3
24 Knaldskalle 883 88 894 20.00 1
25 nimimerkillinen 818 69 759 20.12 1
26 vortexsurfer 800 46 821 18.39 0 +2
27 Fergenaprido 781.5 69 647 16.80 1 -1
28 Simba63 777.5 30 1440 11.63 3 -1
29 sushantv10 742 60 1590 9.18 10
30 clemmetarey 704.5 45 692 15.36 0
31 blocho 631.5 75 496 23.71 0
32 peeptoad 590.5 26 615 15.15 0 +1
33 India Istanbul 587.5 28 711 18.14 1 -1
34 HVM 566.5 50 931 8.68 2
35 mightysparks 544.5 49 1427 18.16 3 +2
36 Lonewolf2003 543 40 545 17.55 0 +2
37 burneyfan 540 41 1074 7.93 4 -2
38 funkybusiness 539.5 54 496 19.78 0 -2
39 Cippenham 510.5 52 730 12.81 1
40 St. Gloede 502.5 29 944 8.10 4
41 tommy_leazaq 486.5 58 479 17.74 0
42 mjf314 466.5 46 935 7.57 9
43 PeacefulAnarchy 459 25 990 8.44 4
44 tourdesb 458.5 24 1215 4.96 6
45 PUNQ 437 20 1129 8.20 6
46 Mochard 435.5 36 620 18.11 0
47 mathiasa 432.5 38 441 23.24 0
48 morrison-dylan-fan 412 25 376 19.64 0 +2
49 Nathan Treadway 403.5 30 542 12.50 0 -1
50 zuma 402 27 695 9.00 2 -1
51 te18 396 20 824 14.05 1
52 shugs 392 26 353 23.19 0 +3
53 XxXApathy420XxX 391.5 32 519 14.75 2 -1
54 Nopros 375.5 25 689 8.52 2 -1
55 kingink 373 23 855 4.70 3 -1
56 Kasparius 368.5 31 640 13.87 4
57 blueboybob 354.5 17 608 19.53 1
58 zzzorf 344 31 342 25.97 0 +3
59 45MinuteZoom 338.5 26 449 17.08 1 -1
60 Lilarcor 335 43 315 16.35 2 -1
61 Gorro 329.5 20 485 15.45 0 -1
62 jgwr 319.5 31 365 13.77 0
63 jvv 318 40 414 19.38 1
64 WalterNeff 305 17 904 5.24 2
65 tarr 296.5 23 439 10.78 1
66 Cocoa 291 16 537 12.38 2
66 kierkegaardian 291 6 780 6.00 2
68 metaller 290 19 384 11.95 0
69 Melvelet 284.5 46 264 17.39 0
70 Hunziker 280.5 20 394 21.80 0
71 Ivan0716 278.5 11 509 12.73 2
72 Leopardi 278 8 445 16.63 0
73 connordenney 267 63 201 23.40 0 +3
74 Kowry 266.5 27 355 16.26 0 -1
75 Wise Jake 265 15 344 14.47 0 -1
76 Perception de Ambiguity 263.5 11 456 7.91 2 -1
77 Eve-Lang-El-Coup 262.5 10 442 4.40 0
78 brokenface 261.5 30 367 11.50 1
79 Eva_L 261 20 330 24.70 0 +6
80 Tarris1 258.5 17 257 19.94 0 -1
81 sortile9io 242.5 12 490 3.58 3 -1
82 Armoreska 239.5 19 635 5.47 4 -1
83 monclivie 238.5 8 278 17.25 0 -1
84 RBG 235 20 157 21.65 0 -1
85 jonas2k 228.5 21 280 14.00 0 -1
86 AB537 226.5 12 217 14.75 0 +2
87 Traveller 226 7 468 2.71 2 +3
88 sheikofhyrule 225 22 245 18.91 0 -2
89 edward5 209.5 11 278 12.09 0 -2
90 Carmel1379 197.5 12 252 18.17 0 -1
91 themagician 189.5 17 337 11.53 1
92 redcard29 188 11 355 9.00 0
93 mondovertigo 176.5 11 231 18.36 1
94 Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi 174 26 148 17.04 0
95 SeanMX12 171.5 15 436 10.53 1
96 Timec 169.5 23 226 13.57 0
97 Hippiemans 166 17 132 29.41 0
98 Tomelce 165 16 229 12.44 0
98 Gregmnewman 165 16 262 11.56 0
100 1SO 161.5 4 205 13.25 0
101 jajusu 161 7 275 6.71 0
102 ryebass 151.5 16 207 13.69 1
103 esiersdale 150.5 21 241 10.29 1
104 Sir Plebeian 145 10 225 11.80 0
105 Ataraxic 142 12 348 6.83 3
106 flaiky 137 9 108 20.56 0
107 afirm 133 15 140 11.93 0
108 Coryn 132 12 110 24.42 0 +6
109 sennaho 127.5 5 213 27.00 0 -1
110 perceval 121.5 11 111 15.73 0 -1
111 wowwee123 120.5 23 121 21.65 0 +5
112 max-scl 119.5 10 177 13.00 0 -2
113 beeswax 113.5 9 292 5.67 1 -2
114 rnilsson19 113 4 131 12.50 0 -2
115 Straka 112 6 70 17.67 0 -2
116 ormazd 108 6 470 5.33 1 -1
117 Lammetje 106 8 76 12.63 0
118 maksler 101 6 122 8.50 0
119 Nuclearplanet 100 17 153 22.53 0
120 Good_Will_Harding 99.5 5 114 27.00 0
121 andreischz 97 7 114 10.57 0
122 aces 95 9 180 8.00 1
123 Mario Gaborović 94.5 7 214 5.86 1 +3
124 greenhorg 92 3 130 23.00 0 -1
124 b_n 92 8 144 13.00 0 -1
124 lampadatriste 92 13 154 11.08 0 -1
127 timmy_501 90.5 4 142 12.25 0
128 Gershwin 90 14 92 12.57 0
129 medium cool 89 2 126 15.50 0
130 fori 86 3 202 4.67 0
131 insomnius 85.5 5 99 25.40 0
132 Kublai Khan 84 5 176 7.20 0 +19
133 Cinematiamo 81.5 3 307 5.67 2 -1
134 globetrotter 79 13 69 15.77 1 -1
135 marazmatique 78 6 88 28.50 0 -1
135 Buksemannen 78 6 113 7.67 1 -1
137 rohit 77 6 163 8.83 0 -1
138 SkilledLunatic 76.5 8 84 16.00 0 -1
139 rokp 75.5 11 99 10.55 0 -1
140 el-thedeath 73 2 88 13.00 0 -1
141 paul281f 71.5 4 114 24.75 0 -1
142 fear of 13 70.5 7 52 29.43 0 -1
143 joachimt 68 9 119 18.11 1 -1
144 prat 66.5 5 180 5.40 1 -1
145 Josh_Glover 64 3 55 12.00 0 -1
146 Bal3x 63.5 5 148 9.00 0 -1
147 edkrak 62.5 11 63 23.27 0 -1
148 sacmersault 62 3 53 14.67 0 -1
149 Onderhond 61 5 53 17.80 0
150 GruesomeTwosome 60.5 4 44 35.25 0 -2
151 lynchs 59 10 23 28.00 0 -2
152 wasabi 58 4 117 23.50 1 +1
153 Samar 57.5 6 62 10.50 0 -1
154 Lakigigar 54.5 8 43 32.88 0 +10
155 noruas 52 3 177 7.33 0 -1
155 Renegade 52 3 61 20.33 0 -1
155 beavis 52 3 148 5.00 1 -1
158 Harco 51.5 3 43 22.67 0 -1
159 Level 50.5 2 62 27.50 0 -1
160 wuzzawuzz 50 3 127 4.33 1 -1
160 LarsC 50 4 82 7.50 0 -1
162 Spocksbrain 48 1 160 2.00 0 -1
163 Samlion 47.5 3 73 5.67 0 -1
164 George Bailey 45.5 10 63 15.00 0 -1
165 insomnia 44.5 4 76 10.50 0 -1
166 bjornam 43.5 4 39 21.50 0
167 pjim 40.5 7 54 16.57 0
168 kisbye 39 2 60 4.00 0
168 nicolino 39 2 73 22.00 0
170 Dolwphin 38.5 8 51 16.75 0
171 Cynical Cinephile 37.5 3 42 20.33 0
172 Kobrakai 36.5 2 32 9.50 0
172 tirefeet 36.5 7 37 10.86 0
174 idiotwind 36 3 80 15.00 0
174 Limedebois 36 3 91 4.67 0
176 Chemosh6969 34 4 77 11.00 1
177 filmbantha 33 2 31 26.00 0
177 bubar 33 3 76 9.00 0
177 lisa- 33 2 64 2.50 0
180 Cinepolis 30.5 4 27 23.25 0 +41
180 Obgeoff 30.5 3 23 22.67 0
182 TraverseTown 30 2 53 21.00 0 -1
182 darkflame 30 5 42 12.80 0 -1
182 MMAlpha 30 2 63 7.00 0 -1
185 priddy_44 29 2 49 8.50 0 -1
186 hiimstacey 27.5 1 29 24.00 0 -1
186 ignatzkat 27.5 3 62 7.33 1 -1
186 deepspeaks 27.5 4 34 13.50 0 -1
189 Enigma 25.5 5 30 13.20 0 -1
190 Pain 25 3 108 10.33 1 -1
190 onshy 25 3 28 11.33 0 -1
190 slylingual24 25 2 26 10.50 0 -1
190 Bobby Peru 25 4 29 17.00 0 -1
194 MilenaFlaherty 24.5 3 36 8.33 0 -1
195 Revo 23.5 2 91 8.00 0 -1
195 lisagirl 23.5 2 19 14.00 0 -1
197 implar 23 2 22 20.50 0 -1
197 schwrz 23 2 26 9.50 0 -1
199 AdamH 22.5 4 33 15.25 0 -1
199 Abdullah ozu 22.5 1 10 20.00 0 -1
201 mimurph1 22 1 39 11.00 0 -1
201 Minkin 22 1 10 23.00 0 -1
203 soitgoes 21.5 2 33 14.00 0 -1
204 Opio 21 1 9 24.00 0 -1
204 JiraffeJustin 21 4 33 13.25 0 -1
206 ca_horror_fan 20 1 32 7.00 0 -1
206 TheMadcapLaughs 20 1 34 8.00 0 -1
208 log89 19.5 4 24 31.00 0 -1
209 beasterne 19 1 15 17.00 0 -1
209 Chilton 19 1 15 8.00 0 -1
209 Micron 19 1 25 3.00 0 -1
212 bunnycorns 18.5 2 17 27.50 0 -1
213 monty 17 6 18 19.17 0 -1
213 Mulholland 17 1 38 2.00 0 -1
213 EssexMutant 17 1 51 1.00 1 -1
213 musikurt 17 1 31 5.00 0 -1
217 Y U M E 16.5 1 19 5.00 0 -1
218 Gonzalito199 16 2 9 30.00 0 -1
219 Wonderful Rainbow 15 3 13 24.33 0 -1
219 Laydback 15 1 34 6.00 0 -1
221 Ebbywebby 14.5 1 10 23.00 0 -1
222 Kloraliv 14 1 25 4.00 0 -1
223 Apu 13 1 20 3.00 0
223 gerryt 13 1 32 8.00 0
223 Toasterstrudles 13 1 15 7.00 0
226 inmybubble 12.5 1 13 10.00 0
227 SeVKiTT 12 2 6 15.00 0
227 drbop 12 1 19 6.00 0
227 Oliuj 12 1 10 31.00 0
230 RedHawk10 11.5 1 10 51.00 0
230 ataraxick 11.5 1 19 3.00 0
232 RollingWonder 11 1 22 4.00 0
232 Rigters 11 1 19 9.00 0
232 Coopaloop 11 1 14 6.00 0
235 Innocuous Bird 10.5 2 24 16.50 0
236 BadSmile 10 1 15 21.00 0
236 ZombieCPA 10 1 12 35.00 0
238 dormice 9.5 1 9 12.00 0
238 Houston 9.5 1 4 17.00 0
240 xianjiro 9 1 5 34.00 0
241 Alberto 8 1 10 14.00 0
241 Muellwind 8 1 15 3.00 0
241 takk71 8 2 8 22.00 0
241 Ekaterina- 8 1 24 9.00 0
245 Halie 7 1 5 20.00 0
245 jerilee 7 1 3 10.00 0
245 wezy 7 1 12 15.00 0
245 Rad82 7 1 5 13.00 0
245 Quartoxuma 7 1 4 14.00 0
250 micmacs 6.5 2 3 34.00 0
250 Pgonzalez 6.5 2 8 32.50 0
252 jocularities 6 1 4 19.00 0
252 pongy_papaya 6 1 7 11.00 0
254 magnusbe 5.5 2 5 19.50 0
254 fkaymak 5.5 1 5 8.00 0
254 CMT 5.5 1 4 44.00 0
257 deepak1990 5 1 3 17.00 0
257 Chrilleee 5 1 9 16.00 0
257 SirFigNewton 5 1 2 22.00 0
257 ErikSchierboom 5 1 3 37.00 0
257 zhangalan 5 1 6 11.00 0
262 kingclio 4.5 1 4 10.00 0
262 Elmozg 4.5 1 6 12.00 0
262 lvn0716 4.5 1 5 17.00 0
262 OS314 4.5 1 2 19.00 0
266 DeanWindow 4 1 2 17.00 0
266 spinal tapper 4 1 3 22.00 0
266 Jimi Antiloop 4 1 1 27.00 0
269 essiersdale 3.5 1 1 11.00 0
270 tobias 3 1 3 53.00 0
270 billyvaneyck 3 1 4 23.00 0
270 cinewest 3 1 1 35.00 0
270 Hanspelling 3 1 3 19.00 0
270 avid 3 1 2 22.00 0
275 Panunzio 2.5 1 1 14.00 0
275 Lukewaffe 2.5 2 2 16.00 0
275 Oakie 2.5 1 1 23.00 0
275 vendetta 2.5 1 2 35.00 0
275 watchayakan 2.5 1 2 15.00 0
280 matthewscott8 2 1 1 36.00 0
280 Alfredo Garcia 2 1 4 31.00 0
282 Jay Mars 1.5 1 1 12.00 0
282 Run4thetop 1.5 1 1 50.00 0
284 jort13 1 1 1 22.00 0
284 dombrewer 1 1 2 21.00 0


[Apologies - it was my intention to keep all the years' leaderboards contained in a single post; however, I ran up against the character limit for a single post, so I'm putting them in individual posts and linking to them.]

Prior Years' Leaderboards
2018 Leaderboard
2017 Leaderboard
2016 Leaderboard
2015 Leaderboard
2014 Leaderboard
2013 Leaderboard
2012 Leaderboard
2011 Leaderboard

Challenge-Specific Leaderboards
Animation
Cult/Grindhouse/Drive-In
Documentary
Films Directed by Women
French
Horror
Noir
Russian
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Post by frbrown » October 9th, 2017, 12:06 am

Interesting.

72allinn is strangely low - his numbers look comparable to those of flavo and jdidaco.


2017 Official Challenges Leader Board
ParticipantTotal Score# Challenges Competed InTotal Number of Films Watched for Official ChallengesNumber of Challenge Wins
tourdesb5641552


2 wins in 4 attempts - impressive :poshclap:
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Post by maxwelldeux » October 9th, 2017, 1:24 am

frbrown on Oct 8 2017, 06:06:02 PM wrote:Interesting.

72allinn is strangely low - his numbers look comparable to those of flavo and jdidaco.
I see what you're saying, but it's just a weird quirk of the scoring. flavo5000 and jdidaco had slightly higher average ranks, and 72allinncallme had the misfortune of dominating some less popular challenges (most notably the Indian challenge, with only 11 participants, so only 11 points for 1st place).

I was super impressed with albajos and cinephage for participating in all 18 challenges so far this year, as well as you (frbrown), sol, 3eyes, and ororama for being there more than half the time.

Of course, I'm a huge stats nerd, so I find all of this interesting. :whistling:

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Post by Knaldskalle » October 9th, 2017, 4:57 am

Interesting meta-challenge, Maxwell. Without going into a deeper analysis of the scoring I'm guessing it's better to participate in few challenges and then really work to win them, rather than participating in "everything" and then only watch 1-2 movies?

Since we have all the old challenges archived, we could actually go back and figure out who "won" the annual Official Challenge Leaderboard every year. Might be fun for those so inclined.
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Post by cinephage » October 9th, 2017, 7:18 am

This is an interesting, and rather unexpected, at least for me, result. As I'm a slow viewer, I almost never win challenges, but I usually enjoy participating in most. This ranking rewards consistency rather than performance on a concentrated period, and this is closer to my approach to film-watching.
Diversity preserves me from movie fatigue (at least until now).

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Post by sortile9io » October 9th, 2017, 8:59 am

maxwelldeux on Oct 8 2017, 04:17:18 PM wrote:And if there's interest, I'll keep going backwards in time and create leader boards for other years, as well as an all-time leader board.
An all-time board would be great. Also an extra column on the left with ranking positions.

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Post by Armoreska » October 9th, 2017, 9:54 am

Oh man 740 movies for challenges. I've got 0. Maybe 2018.
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Post by cinephage » October 9th, 2017, 10:36 am

I've watched 413 films in 2017... These 169 watches mean 41% of my watches are for challenges. Not bad, not bad...

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Post by mathiasa » October 9th, 2017, 10:38 am

Horror challenge will give a lot of points :clap:

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Post by sol » October 9th, 2017, 10:41 am

This is a fantastic idea. :clap: I hope you keep it up since it will give me much needed extra motivation to participate in more Challenges, both this month and into the future (though I'm not sure how I'll cope with 36 Official Challenges next year). Really cool in case to rank #2. :thumbsup:
maxwelldeux on wrote:I was super impressed with albajos and cinephage for participating in all 18 challenges so far this year, as well as you (frbrown), sol, 3eyes, and ororama for being there more than half the time.
Even more impressive considering that I wasn't registered here in January. This means that I have participated in 14 out of 16 possible Challenges. Didn't realise that my participation was anywhere near that high! (D:)
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Post by sol » October 9th, 2017, 10:47 am

cinephage on Oct 9 2017, 04:36:24 AM wrote:I've watched 413 films in 2017... These 169 watches mean 41% of my watches are for challenges. Not bad, not bad...
I think the accuracy of total films seen can be disputed since there are probably a few dozen films that I have counted towards two simultaneous Challenges, and I wouldn't be alone with that.

If we assume the total is accurate though, that means that 399 out of 517 films (77%) I have seen so far this year have been for Official Challenges.

Oh, wait, that number is excluding Horror Challenge viewings, so the percentage is probably even higher. Some shorts in there too, but I'm guessing around 80%.
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Post by 72allinncallme » October 9th, 2017, 11:19 am

Hmm, I think number of films watched should get included in the score somehow. Perhaps; All movies watched in all challenges divided on number of challenges participated. So in Albajos case he gets 290.5 points (249.5p + 741/18 = 290.5). But maybe I’m just saying that because I think I would benefit from that. :whistling:

But great initiative and an interesting read Max! :)
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Post by sol » October 9th, 2017, 11:28 am

72allinncallme on Oct 9 2017, 05:19:29 AM wrote:But maybe I’m just saying that because I think I would benefit from that. :whistling:
Yeah, stop thinking of ways to climb above me in the rankings. :P I can't help it if hardly anyone participated in the one Challenge where you watched over 50% of all movies viewed. ;)
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Post by Lilarcor » October 9th, 2017, 2:12 pm

Great effort! Consider me interested in the all-time rankings.

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Post by frbrown » October 9th, 2017, 3:15 pm

Knaldskalle on Oct 8 2017, 10:57:25 PM wrote:Without going into a deeper analysis of the scoring I'm guessing it's better to participate in few challenges and then really work to win them, rather than participating in "everything" and then only watch 1-2 movies?
It doesn't look that way to me. I participated in 13 challenges and won none; 72allinn participated in 8 and won 3 (and watched 300 films more than I did), and he's ranked below me. Tourdesb participated in 4 challenges and won 2, and he only ranks at #20.

Only 6 people participated in more than half of the challenges, and all 6 of us are ranked in the top 10.
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Post by maxwelldeux » October 9th, 2017, 5:37 pm

Glad you all found this interesting! I'll keep going back in time, and create an all time leader board, as well as ones for each individual year. With the way I've structured the data (well, once I'm through with this), I can also easily generate leader boards for regular challenges (e.g., an all-time leaderboard for the official Horror challenges), as interest dictates.
Knaldskalle on wrote:Interesting meta-challenge, Maxwell. Without going into a deeper analysis of the scoring I'm guessing it's better to participate in few challenges and then really work to win them, rather than participating in "everything" and then only watch 1-2 movies?
Yeah - like frbrown said, I think more challenges is better. I'm actually a decent example - I participated in 9 of the challenges, but never really went after a win. A small handful of films each time, and I'm in the top quarter. Even 1 or 2 films, which may count for a challenge, even though you're not actively pursuing that challenge, will move you up the leaderboard pretty quick.
sortile9io on wrote:Also an extra column on the left with ranking positions.
Good idea! I'll get right on that.
sol on wrote:I think the accuracy of total films seen can be disputed since there are probably a few dozen films that I have counted towards two simultaneous Challenges, and I wouldn't be alone with that.
Very true, and not really something I can control - I just consider it an embedded bonus in the scoring.
72allinncallme on wrote:Hmm, I think number of films watched should get included in the score somehow. Perhaps; All movies watched in all challenges divided on number of challenges participated. So in Albajos case he gets 290.5 points (249.5p + 741/18 = 290.5).
Interesting idea - I'll play around with some numbers and see what I can come up with.

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Post by Armoreska » October 9th, 2017, 6:38 pm

The number of participants shouldn't have much weight on the score. Watching 2 or 3 movies is not actual participating
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Post by maxwelldeux » October 9th, 2017, 7:03 pm

Armoreska on Oct 9 2017, 12:38:53 PM wrote:The number of participants shouldn't have much weight on the score. Watching 2 or 3 movies is not actual participating
I understand your point, but I disagree. I view the challenges as a fun way to get out of your comfort zone and watch things you wouldn't ordinarily be drawn to. Even if you watch one film, it should count towards the challenge.

Then there's the practical issue you bring up about the scoring system, which is an open question and worth discussing. I chose this version of scoring because I wanted to give higher weight to wins in challenges with more participants; winning a challenge with 50 participants is definitely more impressive than winning a challenge with 5 participants. Off the top of my head, I see a few possible scoring systems:

a) The one I'm currently using (see first post)
b) A version of above, with each challenge weighted equally. 1st place gets 100 points, 2nd place gets 99 points, etc. Ties handled the same. With this, coming in last place in the Indian challenge (with only 11 participants) would get you 90 points (assuming no ties). Where as coming in last place in a challenge with 50 participants would get you 51 points (again, assuming no ties).
c) A percentage-based system. Each challenge is worth 100 points, and they get assigned based on the percent of total films watched. For example, in the Indian challenge, 72allinncallme would have received 52.04 points for utterly dominating the challenge, having watched 51 films of 98 total watches (i.e., (51/98)*100 = 52.04).
d) Others...

So what are people's thoughts on scoring?

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Post by albajos » October 9th, 2017, 7:08 pm

No need to overdo it. To say that 1-2 isn't enough. Well, what is enough? 7? 31?

Doing it like this makes it easy to understand, easy to calculate for everyone, and stays fun.

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Post by cinephage » October 9th, 2017, 10:17 pm

Armoreska on Oct 9 2017, 12:38:53 PM wrote:The number of participants shouldn't have much weight on the score. Watching 2 or 3 movies is not actual participating
I also disagree. When someone posts his participation in a challenge, he/she becomes part of it. There is an awareness, an involvement, there. However limited, this involvement reveals an intent to be part of the event, of sharing with the other participants.

I wouldn't discount this... In my case, I know it can weigh on my viewing choices, even though it's only one or two movies (I usually pick more, but get distracted for whatever reason)...

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Post by sortile9io » October 10th, 2017, 8:48 am

Without complicating it more you could use number of wins, participations and films to break the total score ties. Take for instance, in the lower part of the table:

fori 17 1 15 0
Nopros 17 1 21 0
musikurt 17 1 31 0

musikurt should probably be first and fori last.
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Post by maxwelldeux » October 10th, 2017, 9:30 am

sortile9io on Oct 10 2017, 02:48:37 AM wrote:Without complicating it more you could use number of wins, participations and films to break the total score ties.
I like the idea! I hadn't thought too deeply about tiebreakers, but what you said makes a lot of sense.

PS to all: I'm slowly moving backwards in time as I gather these data. I have the last 3 months of 2016 complete. Do y'all want periodic updates, or hold off until I have large chunks (e.g., years) complete?

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Post by albajos » October 10th, 2017, 9:45 am

Years are the most tidy way to do it. Thanks.

Just a note about ties with a challenge, would it not make more sense to give:
1. 8 points
2. 7 points
3. 6 points
3. 6 points
3. 6 points
6. 3 points
7. 2 points
8. 1 points
rather than an average?

Also, if you want to reward people actually winning, give those two extra points and the runner-up one extra point. (like we do in Eurovision SC)

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Post by maxwelldeux » October 10th, 2017, 5:57 pm

albajos on Oct 10 2017, 03:45:43 AM wrote:Years are the most tidy way to do it. Thanks.

Just a note about ties with a challenge, would it not make more sense to give:
1. 8 points
2. 7 points
3. 6 points
3. 6 points
3. 6 points
6. 3 points
7. 2 points
8. 1 points
rather than an average?

Also, if you want to reward people actually winning, give those two extra points and the runner-up one extra point. (like we do in Eurovision SC)
Years it is, unless there are strong objections.

On the scoring (nerd warning):

If you view the points as purely rankings-based (looking up), then yes, what you said makes more sense. In your example, those three people who tied for 3rd place have only two people above them in rankings, so each of them could earn 6 points. But it is also equally true that those three people who tied for 3rd place tied for fourth from the bottom, so if you allocate scores bottom up, they should all receive 4 points. The current scoring system splits the difference.

Another way too look at it is that there are [N(N+1)]/2 points to allocate, where N is the number of participants in a given challenge (this is the sum of the numbers from 1 to N). With 8 participants, this would be 36 total points to allocate. The current scoring allocates exactly 36 points, whereas the rankings-based scoring would assign 39 points (and would assign more if there were additional ties). Think prize money - the three people who tied for 3rd would each receive the average of the purses of the 3rd, 4th, and 5th place finishes.

OK. All that said, I'm certainly open to modifying the scoring based on what consensus we reach. To be honest, my default option is going to be sticking with what I've done, largely out of laziness. But I'm happy to change the scoring based on thoughts around here.

Finally, bonus points - I'm cool with that. Thoughts?

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Post by albajos » October 10th, 2017, 6:05 pm

maxwelldeux on Oct 10 2017, 11:57:29 AM wrote:who tied for 3rd place have only two people above them in rankings, so each of them could earn 6 points. But it is also equally true that those three people who tied for 3rd place tied for fourth from the bottom, so if you allocate scores bottom up, they should all receive 4 points.
But the glas is half full, not half empty :)

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Post by maxwelldeux » October 10th, 2017, 6:19 pm

albajos on Oct 10 2017, 12:05:38 PM wrote:
maxwelldeux on Oct 10 2017, 11:57:29 AM wrote:who tied for 3rd place have only two people above them in rankings, so each of them could earn 6 points. But it is also equally true that those three people who tied for 3rd place tied for fourth from the bottom, so if you allocate scores bottom up, they should all receive 4 points.
But the glas is half full, not half empty :)
Maybe from where you're sitting... :whistling: :banana:

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Post by 3eyes » October 10th, 2017, 11:23 pm

I'm not going to weigh in on scoring, but I do appreciate this and would be delighted to see the other years/total stats in whatever form.

I must say I was a bit startled to find myself in the top 10 as I haven't participated nearly this much this year as before. Until recently I have tended to report anything I happen to see that fits a current challenge I'm not otherwise interested in, but I don't really see any virtue in that.
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Post by maxwelldeux » October 11th, 2017, 6:28 am

Updated the Top Post. It now includes the current status of the Overall leaderboard (2016-present data), and has separate tables for 2017 and 2016. Enjoy! And please let me know what feedback you have...

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Post by sortile9io » October 11th, 2017, 8:43 am

There must be something wrong with the number of wins column in 2017. I have one even though I haven't actually won anything this year and PeacefulAnarchy has two wins but only one participation.

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Post by albajos » October 11th, 2017, 8:55 am

Well, my four wins from 2017 is also in counted in the 2016 table, so it seems it's the all-time total in all tables
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Post by maxwelldeux » October 11th, 2017, 5:07 pm

Blarg. Thanks y'all - I'm stupidly counting all-time wins in every table. I'll figure out how to fix that.

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Post by connordenney » October 15th, 2017, 11:58 pm

I'm tied for 3rd in terms of number of challenges competed in, but I'm also the top-ranked person who hasn't seen 100 total movies for the challenges

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Post by maxwelldeux » October 16th, 2017, 6:53 am

Updated the first post.

I've added the stats for 2015, updated the overall leaderboard to be 2015-2017 (inclusive), and fixed that wins count thing I screwed up.

Enjoy! And please let me know if you have updates/corrections/feedback.

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Post by sortile9io » October 16th, 2017, 10:55 am

Thank you, maxwelldeux! I really appreciate your work. Although some results are a a bit frustrating, like this:

22. - Buksemannen: 159, 5, 81, 9.00, 0
74. - sortile9io: 62.5, 5, 238, 3.20, 2

Both have participated in five challenges, I won two, with near three times more films, yet Buksemannen is near the top while I'm lost in the middle. I'll have to do something, can't stand being so low on a list.

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Post by Armoreska » October 16th, 2017, 12:50 pm

That's much better. 24th place is like first page!
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Post by maxwelldeux » October 16th, 2017, 4:55 pm

sortile9io on Oct 16 2017, 04:55:58 AM wrote:Thank you, maxwelldeux! I really appreciate your work. Although some results are a a bit frustrating, like this:

22. - Buksemannen: 159, 5, 81, 9.00, 0
74. - sortile9io: 62.5, 5, 238, 3.20, 2

Both have participated in five challenges, I won two, with near three times more films, yet Buksemannen is near the top while I'm lost in the middle. I'll have to do something, can't stand being so low on a list.
Well good news for you, sortile9io: You're moving up a spot.

For one of Buksemannen's scores, I accidentally tallied "110" when it should have been a "10". So that 159 will drop to a 59.

I've corrected it in my data file, and I'll update the tables when I add in the 2014 data.

Good catch! :thumbsup:

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Post by maxwelldeux » October 19th, 2017, 5:09 am

Updated the first post.

This update adds in the stats for 2014 in a separate table, and updates the overall leaderboard to include all official challenges 2014-present. It also corrects a few errors I've come across, including the one sortile9io pointed out last update. As such, all tables have been updated.

Also, for those of you who have changed usernames, please run through the Overall table - if you see both of your names listed, let me know somehow, and I'll merge the two. I've caught a couple of these already as I'm cleaning the data, but I'm betting I'm missing some.

Again, please send me updates/corrections/feedback and I'll make the appropriate fixes. Enjoy!



PS: Dear sweet, wonderful, competent, and stunningly attractive mods: Could we please get this topic Pinned in the Challenges subforum? :happy:

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Post by Armoreska » October 19th, 2017, 8:07 am

Wow Cinephage did win one, and makes #1!
I'm up to 18th as well, higher than expected
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Post by sortile9io » October 19th, 2017, 8:39 am

maxwelldeux on Oct 18 2017, 11:09:42 PM wrote:PS: Dear sweet, wonderful, competent, and stunningly attractive mods: Could we please get this topic Pinned in the Challenges subforum? :happy:
+1 (but only for the second half of the sentence and some parts of the first). :turned:

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Post by cinephage » October 19th, 2017, 9:27 am

Armoreska on Oct 19 2017, 02:07:31 AM wrote:Wow Cinephage did win one, and makes #1!
I'm up to 18th as well, higher than expected
That was my plan all along... I let others win and pass in front of me, and lost to more than 100 challenges of all kind, knowing that eventually I would have the last laugh.
And I don't intend to win either of the challenges I'm doing right now either... Justice will come to me in the end !!!

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