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Post by maxwelldeux » October 8th, 2017, 10:17 pm

Methods
Pretty simple methodology - I went to the Challenges Index (thanks for keeping that up-to-date, btw) and followed links to all the official challenges. I copied the final results (usually in the first post, though there were a couple of exceptions) into Excel. I did a little data cleanup (using consistent usernames and getting the results to appear as numbers), then assigned ranks and computed scoring (details below). From there, it was just some minor Excel magic, and boom - results.

Scoring
I used a version of NASCAR scoring. Points are based on the number of participants in a challenge and the final rank. So, if there were 20 participants in a challenge, the 1st place person would get 20 points, 2nd place gets 19 points, 3rd place gets 18 points, and so on. For ties, I assigned the average of the points that would have been earned for all those ranks. So, continuing with this example, if two people tied for 4th place (out of 20), each of them would receive (17+16)/2 = 16.5 points. The person in 6th would receive 15 points, and so on. Finally, to be included, you had to have watched at least one film for the official challenge.

**Edited 4 July 2020**
Overall Official Challenges Leaderboard (2011-June 2020)Show
Overall Official Challenges Leaderboard
Rank Participant Total Score # Challenges Competed In Total Number of films Watched for Official Challenges Average Rank in Challenges Number of Challenge Wins Rank Change
1 flavo5000 2971.5 121 8481 8.00 28
2 sol 2701 110 4057 7.95 4
3 jdidaco 2623 103 4937 7.85 8 +1
4 allisoncm 2605.5 195 3944 13.22 6 +1
5 jeroeno 2579 106 4816 7.42 15 -2
6 cinephage 2211 207 2205 15.45 1
7 maxwelldeux 2171.5 110 2808 12.55 1
8 RogerTheMovieManiac88 2072.5 93 3099 11.85 3 +1
9 72aicm 2060 80 4085 8.35 10 -1
10 albajos 2020.5 95 4599 9.24 14
11 3eyes 1944.5 182 2176 14.29 4
12 psychotronicbeatnik 1888.5 60 4085 4.48 11
13 OldAle1 1788 82 1964 12.45 1 +1
14 Sebby 1772 115 2401 17.30 1 -1
15 hurluberlu 1741.5 101 1946 15.99 0
16 ororama 1730.5 126 1670 16.71 0
17 frbrown 1658 116 2525 15.65 2
18 VincentPrice 1502 112 2404 16.51 0
19 weirdboy 1361 76 1753 15.36 0
20 klaus78 1238 62 1843 11.29 3
21 Mate_cosido 1181.5 52 1447 12.87 1
22 Daviddoes 1170 67 2109 12.91 4
23 vortexsurfer 1129.5 70 1212 19.17 0
24 ChrisReynolds 1074.5 63 1494 14.30 3
25 blocho 1056.5 108 904 22.32 0
26 blueboybob 1024.5 45 2054 12.69 3 +2
27 nimimerkillinen 964 88 889 21.16 1 -1
28 Knaldskalle 950 99 946 21.05 1 -1
29 peeptoad 910.5 42 972 14.17 0
30 Lonewolf2003 893 57 930 16.51 0
31 Simba63 824.5 32 1482 11.38 3
32 AB537 791 44 995 14.84 1 +2
33 Fergenaprido 781.5 69 647 16.80 1 -1
34 clemmetarey 778.5 48 752 15.77 0 -1
35 sushantv10 742 60 1590 9.18 10
36 shugs 725.5 50 697 21.56 0
37 mightysparks 694 57 1669 18.47 3
38 India Istanbul 693 35 828 19.14 1
39 morrison-dylan-fan 642.5 41 592 19.66 0 +1
40 PUNQ 633.5 27 1688 7.85 8 -1
40 St. Gloede 633.5 34 1131 8.15 4 +2
42 burneyfan 624.5 45 1202 8.47 4 -1
43 zzzorf 607.5 57 614 24.93 0 +1
44 funkybusiness 604 57 587 19.19 0 -1
45 mathiasa 575.5 50 600 23.52 0
46 HVM 566.5 50 931 8.68 2
47 Cippenham 564 55 761 13.45 1
48 Mochard 551.5 46 747 19.89 0
49 Traveller 539 18 1358 2.61 4
50 mjf314 497 48 958 7.73 9 +1
51 tommy_leazaq 486.5 58 479 17.74 0 -1
52 tourdesb 481 25 1273 5.00 6 +1
53 PeacefulAnarchy 459 25 990 8.44 4 -1
54 Nathan Treadway 445 33 592 13.76 0
55 te18 413.5 21 833 15.38 1
56 zuma 411 28 704 9.68 2
57 Nopros 395.5 26 701 9.04 2
58 XxXApathy420XxX 392.5 33 520 16.09 2
59 kingink 382 24 861 5.38 3
60 Lilarcor 369.5 46 346 16.39 2 +3
61 Kasparius 368.5 31 640 13.87 4 -1
62 Obgeoff 363.5 27 637 20.33 2 +9
63 Tarris1 363 23 355 19.74 0 -2
64 Melvelet 354 53 328 17.91 0 +4
65 jvv 345 42 444 19.38 1 -3
66 45MinuteZoom 338.5 26 449 17.08 1 -2
67 connordenney 334.5 80 258 25.16 0 -2
68 Gorro 329.5 20 485 15.45 0 -2
69 Leopardi 327 9 502 16.00 0 -2
70 jgwr 319.5 31 365 13.77 0 -1
71 Coryn 318 25 334 22.52 0 -1
72 WalterNeff 305 17 904 5.24 2
73 tarr 301 24 445 11.75 1
74 kierkegaardian 291 6 780 6.00 2
74 Cocoa 291 16 537 12.38 2
76 metaller 290 19 384 11.95 0
77 Perception de Ambiguity 289 12 492 8.08 2
78 sortile9io 288.5 14 564 3.64 3 +6
79 sheikofhyrule 286.5 25 304 18.76 0 -1
80 Hunziker 280.5 20 394 21.80 0 -1
81 Ivan0716 278.5 11 509 12.73 2 -1
82 Eva_L 272 22 343 25.23 0 -1
83 Kowry 266.5 27 355 16.26 0 -1
84 Wise Jake 265 15 344 14.47 0 -1
85 RBG 263 23 177 22.13 0 +2
86 Eve-Lang-El-Coup 262.5 10 442 4.40 0 -2
87 brokenface 261.5 30 367 11.50 1 -1
88 Mario Gaborović 253.5 14 487 5.07 2 +3
89 Carmel1379 243.5 13 302 17.85 0 -1
90 Armoreska 239.5 19 635 5.47 4 -1
91 monclivie 238.5 8 278 17.25 0 -1
92 edward5 230.5 12 301 12.17 0
93 jonas2k 228.5 21 280 14.00 0
94 redcard29 223 12 415 8.50 0
95 1SO 205.5 5 254 13.60 0
96 ryebass 199.5 20 252 16.65 1
97 jajusu 191 8 375 6.00 1
98 themagician 189.5 17 337 11.53 1
99 Kublai Khan 186.5 9 318 10.56 0
100 mondovertigo 176.5 11 231 18.36 1
101 Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi 174 26 148 17.04 0
102 SeanMX12 171.5 15 436 10.53 1
103 Straka 170.5 10 136 16.20 0
104 Timec 169.5 23 226 13.57 0
105 Hippiemans 166 17 132 29.41 0
106 Gregmnewman 165 16 262 11.56 0
106 Tomelce 165 16 229 12.44 0
108 max-scl 163.5 14 205 13.86 0
109 Cinepolis 160.5 20 126 25.00 0
110 wowwee123 155.5 25 157 21.40 0
111 esiersdale 150.5 21 241 10.29 1
112 Sir Plebeian 145 10 225 11.80 0
113 AssOnFire 143 6 233 9.50 0
113 medium cool 143 3 256 12.33 0
115 Ataraxic 142 12 348 6.83 3
116 flaiky 137 9 108 20.56 0
117 afirm 133 15 140 11.93 0
118 sennaho 131 6 215 31.67 0
119 rnilsson19 126.5 5 146 14.40 0
120 greenhorg 126 4 154 23.75 0
121 perceval 121.5 11 111 15.73 0
122 beeswax 113.5 9 292 5.67 1
123 fori 113 4 237 5.25 0
124 Onderhond 110.5 9 102 22.33 0 +8
125 ormazd 108 6 470 5.33 1 -1
126 Lammetje 106 8 76 12.63 0 -1
127 maksler 101 6 122 8.50 0 -1
128 Nuclearplanet 100 17 153 22.53 0 -1
129 wasabi 99.5 9 156 28.11 1 +12
129 Good_Will_Harding 99.5 5 114 27.00 0 -1
131 andreischz 97 7 114 10.57 0 -2
132 aces 95 9 180 8.00 1 -2
133 joachimt 94 10 147 17.90 1 -2
134 lampadatriste 92 13 154 11.08 0 -1
134 b_n 92 8 144 13.00 0 -1
136 prat 91.5 6 277 5.17 1 +17
137 timmy_501 90.5 4 142 12.25 0 -2
138 Gershwin 90 14 92 12.57 0 -2
139 fear of 13 87 9 60 29.89 0 -2
140 insomnius 85.5 5 99 25.40 0 -2
141 globetrotter 83.5 14 75 17.07 1 -2
142 Ebbywebby 82 7 73 20.71 0 +18
143 Cinematiamo 81.5 3 307 5.67 2 -3
144 marazmatique 78 6 88 28.50 0 -2
144 Buksemannen 78 6 113 7.67 1 -2
146 rohit 77 6 163 8.83 0 -2
147 SkilledLunatic 76.5 8 84 16.00 0 -2
148 rokp 75.5 11 99 10.55 0 -2
149 GruesomeTwosome 75 5 52 37.00 0 -2
150 el-thedeath 73 2 88 13.00 0 -2
150 beavis 73 4 175 7.50 1 -2
152 filmbantha 72 4 77 19.25 0 -2
153 paul281f 71.5 4 114 24.75 0 -2
154 sacmersault 71 4 59 18.25 0 -2
155 Josh_Glover 64 3 55 12.00 0 -1
156 Bal3x 63.5 5 148 9.00 0 -1
157 edkrak 62.5 11 63 23.27 0 -1
158 lynchs 59 10 23 28.00 0 -1
159 Samar 57.5 6 62 10.50 0 -1
159 Lakigigar 57.5 9 44 31.89 0 -1
161 lineuphere 57 4 116 19.75 0 +24
162 Renegade 52 3 61 20.33 0 -1
162 noruas 52 3 177 7.33 0 -1
164 Harco 51.5 3 43 22.67 0 -1
165 Level 50.5 2 62 27.50 0 -1
166 wuzzawuzz 50 3 127 4.33 1 -1
166 LarsC 50 4 82 7.50 0 -1
168 Spocksbrain 48 1 160 2.00 0 -1
169 Samlion 47.5 3 73 5.67 0 -1
170 TraverseTown 46 3 71 21.33 0 -1
171 Minkin 45.5 2 24 29.50 0 -1
171 George Bailey 45.5 10 63 15.00 0 -1
173 insomnia 44.5 4 76 10.50 0 -1
174 bjornam 43.5 4 39 21.50 0 -1
175 jal90 43 5 30 25.20 0 -1
176 Teproc 42.5 7 37 25.43 0 -1
177 pjim 40.5 7 54 16.57 0 -1
178 erde 40 2 66 9.50 0 +37
179 nicolino 39 2 73 22.00 0 -2
179 kisbye 39 2 60 4.00 0 -2
181 Dolwphin 38.5 8 51 16.75 0 -2
182 Cynical Cinephile 37.5 3 42 20.33 0 -2
183 tirefeet 36.5 7 37 10.86 0 -2
183 Kobrakai 36.5 2 32 9.50 0 -2
185 idiotwind 36 3 80 15.00 0 -2
185 Limedebois 36 3 91 4.67 0 -2
187 Ritesh 34.5 3 39 33.33 0 -2
188 Chemosh6969 34 4 77 11.00 1 -1
189 bubar 33 3 76 9.00 0 -1
189 lisa- 33 2 64 2.50 0 -1
191 Gordon_Gekko 30.5 1 21 29.00 0 -1
192 darkflame 30 5 42 12.80 0 -1
192 MMAlpha 30 2 63 7.00 0 -1
194 priddy_44 29 2 49 8.50 0 -1
195 hiimstacey 27.5 1 29 24.00 0 -1
195 deepspeaks 27.5 4 34 13.50 0 -1
195 ignatzkat 27.5 3 62 7.33 1 -1
198 RedHawk10 26 2 18 47.50 0 -1
199 Enigma 25.5 5 30 13.20 0 -1
200 Bobby Peru 25 4 29 17.00 0 -1
200 onshy 25 3 28 11.33 0 -1
200 slylingual24 25 2 26 10.50 0 -1
200 Pain 25 3 108 10.33 1 -1
204 MilenaFlaherty 24.5 3 36 8.33 0 -1
205 lisagirl 23.5 2 19 14.00 0 -1
205 Revo 23.5 2 91 8.00 0 -1
207 implar 23 2 22 20.50 0 -1
207 schwrz 23 2 26 9.50 0 -1
209 Abdullah ozu 22.5 1 10 20.00 0 -1
209 AdamH 22.5 4 33 15.25 0 -1
211 mimurph1 22 1 39 11.00 0 -1
211 drayton_cross 22 1 32 17.00 0 -1
213 soitgoes 21.5 2 33 14.00 0 -1
214 Opio 21 1 9 24.00 0 -1
214 JiraffeJustin 21 4 33 13.25 0 -1
216 TheMadcapLaughs 20 1 34 8.00 0 -1
216 ca_horror_fan 20 1 32 7.00 0 -1
218 log89 19.5 4 24 31.00 0
219 Micron 19 1 25 3.00 0
219 Chilton 19 1 15 8.00 0
219 beasterne 19 1 15 17.00 0
222 bunnycorns 18.5 2 17 27.50 0
223 monty 17 6 18 19.17 0
223 Mulholland 17 1 38 2.00 0
223 EssexMutant 17 1 51 1.00 1
223 musikurt 17 1 31 5.00 0
227 Y U M E 16.5 1 19 5.00 0
228 Gonzalito199 16 2 9 30.00 0
229 Laydback 15 1 34 6.00 0
229 DareDaniel 15 2 14 31.00 0
229 Wonderful Rainbow 15 3 13 24.33 0
232 Kloraliv 14 1 25 4.00 0
233 gerryt 13 1 32 8.00 0
233 Apu 13 1 20 3.00 0
233 Toasterstrudles 13 1 15 7.00 0
236 inmybubble 12.5 1 13 10.00 0
237 John Milton 12 1 12 22.00 0
237 drbop 12 1 19 6.00 0
237 SeVKiTT 12 2 6 15.00 0
237 Oliuj 12 1 10 31.00 0
241 ataraxick 11.5 1 19 3.00 0
242 Rigters 11 1 19 9.00 0
242 Coopaloop 11 1 14 6.00 0
242 RollingWonder 11 1 22 4.00 0
245 Innocuous Bird 10.5 2 24 16.50 0
246 ZombieCPA 10 1 12 35.00 0
246 BadSmile 10 1 15 21.00 0
248 Houston 9.5 1 4 17.00 0
248 dormice 9.5 1 9 12.00 0
250 xianjiro 9 1 5 34.00 0
251 Ekaterina- 8 1 24 9.00 0
251 Alberto 8 1 10 14.00 0
251 Muellwind 8 1 15 3.00 0
251 takk71 8 2 8 22.00 0
255 Rad82 7 1 5 13.00 0
255 tazz_85 7 1 6 35.00 0
255 wezy 7 1 12 15.00 0
255 Quartoxuma 7 1 4 14.00 0
255 Halie 7 1 5 20.00 0
255 jerilee 7 1 3 10.00 0
261 Pgonzalez 6.5 2 8 32.50 0
261 micmacs 6.5 2 3 34.00 0
263 jocularities 6 1 4 19.00 0
263 pongy_papaya 6 1 7 11.00 0
265 fkaymak 5.5 1 5 8.00 0
265 CMT 5.5 1 4 44.00 0
265 magnusbe 5.5 2 5 19.50 0
265 bentoga 5.5 1 2 24.00 0
269 ErikSchierboom 5 1 3 37.00 0
269 deepak1990 5 1 3 17.00 0
269 zhangalan 5 1 6 11.00 0
269 SirFigNewton 5 1 2 22.00 0
269 Chrilleee 5 1 9 16.00 0
274 kingclio 4.5 1 4 10.00 0
274 OS314 4.5 1 2 19.00 0
274 lvn0716 4.5 1 5 17.00 0
274 Elmozg 4.5 1 6 12.00 0
278 spinal tapper 4 1 3 22.00 0
278 DeanWindow 4 1 2 17.00 0
278 Jimi Antiloop 4 1 1 27.00 0
281 essiersdale 3.5 1 1 11.00 0
282 Hanspelling 3 1 3 19.00 0
282 cinewest 3 1 1 35.00 0
282 tobias 3 1 3 53.00 0
282 billyvaneyck 3 1 4 23.00 0
282 avid 3 1 2 22.00 0
287 watchayakan 2.5 1 2 15.00 0
287 Lukewaffe 2.5 2 2 16.00 0
287 Panunzio 2.5 1 1 14.00 0
287 Oakie 2.5 1 1 23.00 0
287 vendetta 2.5 1 2 35.00 0
292 Alfredo Garcia 2 1 4 31.00 0
292 toromash 2 1 3 40.00 0
292 matthewscott8 2 1 1 36.00 0
295 Run4thetop 1.5 1 1 50.00 0
295 Jay Mars 1.5 1 1 12.00 0
297 jort13 1 1 1 22.00 0
297 dombrewer 1 1 2 21.00 0


[Apologies - it was my intention to keep all the years' leaderboards contained in a single post; however, I ran up against the character limit for a single post, so I'm putting them in individual posts and linking to them.]

Prior Years' Leaderboards
2019 Leaderboard
2018 Leaderboard
2017 Leaderboard
2016 Leaderboard
2015 Leaderboard
2014 Leaderboard
2013 Leaderboard
2012 Leaderboard
2011 Leaderboard

Challenge-Specific Leaderboards
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Documentary
Films Directed by Women
French
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Russian
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Post by frbrown » October 9th, 2017, 12:06 am

Interesting.

72allinn is strangely low - his numbers look comparable to those of flavo and jdidaco.


2017 Official Challenges Leader Board
ParticipantTotal Score# Challenges Competed InTotal Number of Films Watched for Official ChallengesNumber of Challenge Wins
tourdesb5641552


2 wins in 4 attempts - impressive :poshclap:
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Post by maxwelldeux » October 9th, 2017, 1:24 am

frbrown on Oct 8 2017, 06:06:02 PM wrote:Interesting.

72allinn is strangely low - his numbers look comparable to those of flavo and jdidaco.
I see what you're saying, but it's just a weird quirk of the scoring. flavo5000 and jdidaco had slightly higher average ranks, and 72allinncallme had the misfortune of dominating some less popular challenges (most notably the Indian challenge, with only 11 participants, so only 11 points for 1st place).

I was super impressed with albajos and cinephage for participating in all 18 challenges so far this year, as well as you (frbrown), sol, 3eyes, and ororama for being there more than half the time.

Of course, I'm a huge stats nerd, so I find all of this interesting. :whistling:

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Post by Knaldskalle » October 9th, 2017, 4:57 am

Interesting meta-challenge, Maxwell. Without going into a deeper analysis of the scoring I'm guessing it's better to participate in few challenges and then really work to win them, rather than participating in "everything" and then only watch 1-2 movies?

Since we have all the old challenges archived, we could actually go back and figure out who "won" the annual Official Challenge Leaderboard every year. Might be fun for those so inclined.
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Post by cinephage » October 9th, 2017, 7:18 am

This is an interesting, and rather unexpected, at least for me, result. As I'm a slow viewer, I almost never win challenges, but I usually enjoy participating in most. This ranking rewards consistency rather than performance on a concentrated period, and this is closer to my approach to film-watching.
Diversity preserves me from movie fatigue (at least until now).

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Post by sortile9io » October 9th, 2017, 8:59 am

maxwelldeux on Oct 8 2017, 04:17:18 PM wrote:And if there's interest, I'll keep going backwards in time and create leader boards for other years, as well as an all-time leader board.
An all-time board would be great. Also an extra column on the left with ranking positions.

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Post by Armoreska » October 9th, 2017, 9:54 am

Oh man 740 movies for challenges. I've got 0. Maybe 2018.
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Post by cinephage » October 9th, 2017, 10:36 am

I've watched 413 films in 2017... These 169 watches mean 41% of my watches are for challenges. Not bad, not bad...

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Post by mathiasa » October 9th, 2017, 10:38 am

Horror challenge will give a lot of points :clap:

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Post by sol » October 9th, 2017, 10:41 am

This is a fantastic idea. :clap: I hope you keep it up since it will give me much needed extra motivation to participate in more Challenges, both this month and into the future (though I'm not sure how I'll cope with 36 Official Challenges next year). Really cool in case to rank #2. :thumbsup:
maxwelldeux on wrote:I was super impressed with albajos and cinephage for participating in all 18 challenges so far this year, as well as you (frbrown), sol, 3eyes, and ororama for being there more than half the time.
Even more impressive considering that I wasn't registered here in January. This means that I have participated in 14 out of 16 possible Challenges. Didn't realise that my participation was anywhere near that high! (D:)
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Post by sol » October 9th, 2017, 10:47 am

cinephage on Oct 9 2017, 04:36:24 AM wrote:I've watched 413 films in 2017... These 169 watches mean 41% of my watches are for challenges. Not bad, not bad...
I think the accuracy of total films seen can be disputed since there are probably a few dozen films that I have counted towards two simultaneous Challenges, and I wouldn't be alone with that.

If we assume the total is accurate though, that means that 399 out of 517 films (77%) I have seen so far this year have been for Official Challenges.

Oh, wait, that number is excluding Horror Challenge viewings, so the percentage is probably even higher. Some shorts in there too, but I'm guessing around 80%.
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Post by 72aicm » October 9th, 2017, 11:19 am

Hmm, I think number of films watched should get included in the score somehow. Perhaps; All movies watched in all challenges divided on number of challenges participated. So in Albajos case he gets 290.5 points (249.5p + 741/18 = 290.5). But maybe I’m just saying that because I think I would benefit from that. :whistling:

But great initiative and an interesting read Max! :)
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Post by sol » October 9th, 2017, 11:28 am

72allinncallme on Oct 9 2017, 05:19:29 AM wrote:But maybe I’m just saying that because I think I would benefit from that. :whistling:
Yeah, stop thinking of ways to climb above me in the rankings. :P I can't help it if hardly anyone participated in the one Challenge where you watched over 50% of all movies viewed. ;)
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Post by Lilarcor » October 9th, 2017, 2:12 pm

Great effort! Consider me interested in the all-time rankings.

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Post by frbrown » October 9th, 2017, 3:15 pm

Knaldskalle on Oct 8 2017, 10:57:25 PM wrote:Without going into a deeper analysis of the scoring I'm guessing it's better to participate in few challenges and then really work to win them, rather than participating in "everything" and then only watch 1-2 movies?
It doesn't look that way to me. I participated in 13 challenges and won none; 72allinn participated in 8 and won 3 (and watched 300 films more than I did), and he's ranked below me. Tourdesb participated in 4 challenges and won 2, and he only ranks at #20.

Only 6 people participated in more than half of the challenges, and all 6 of us are ranked in the top 10.
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Post by maxwelldeux » October 9th, 2017, 5:37 pm

Glad you all found this interesting! I'll keep going back in time, and create an all time leader board, as well as ones for each individual year. With the way I've structured the data (well, once I'm through with this), I can also easily generate leader boards for regular challenges (e.g., an all-time leaderboard for the official Horror challenges), as interest dictates.
Knaldskalle on wrote:Interesting meta-challenge, Maxwell. Without going into a deeper analysis of the scoring I'm guessing it's better to participate in few challenges and then really work to win them, rather than participating in "everything" and then only watch 1-2 movies?
Yeah - like frbrown said, I think more challenges is better. I'm actually a decent example - I participated in 9 of the challenges, but never really went after a win. A small handful of films each time, and I'm in the top quarter. Even 1 or 2 films, which may count for a challenge, even though you're not actively pursuing that challenge, will move you up the leaderboard pretty quick.
sortile9io on wrote:Also an extra column on the left with ranking positions.
Good idea! I'll get right on that.
sol on wrote:I think the accuracy of total films seen can be disputed since there are probably a few dozen films that I have counted towards two simultaneous Challenges, and I wouldn't be alone with that.
Very true, and not really something I can control - I just consider it an embedded bonus in the scoring.
72allinncallme on wrote:Hmm, I think number of films watched should get included in the score somehow. Perhaps; All movies watched in all challenges divided on number of challenges participated. So in Albajos case he gets 290.5 points (249.5p + 741/18 = 290.5).
Interesting idea - I'll play around with some numbers and see what I can come up with.

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Post by Armoreska » October 9th, 2017, 6:38 pm

The number of participants shouldn't have much weight on the score. Watching 2 or 3 movies is not actual participating
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Post by maxwelldeux » October 9th, 2017, 7:03 pm

Armoreska on Oct 9 2017, 12:38:53 PM wrote:The number of participants shouldn't have much weight on the score. Watching 2 or 3 movies is not actual participating
I understand your point, but I disagree. I view the challenges as a fun way to get out of your comfort zone and watch things you wouldn't ordinarily be drawn to. Even if you watch one film, it should count towards the challenge.

Then there's the practical issue you bring up about the scoring system, which is an open question and worth discussing. I chose this version of scoring because I wanted to give higher weight to wins in challenges with more participants; winning a challenge with 50 participants is definitely more impressive than winning a challenge with 5 participants. Off the top of my head, I see a few possible scoring systems:

a) The one I'm currently using (see first post)
b) A version of above, with each challenge weighted equally. 1st place gets 100 points, 2nd place gets 99 points, etc. Ties handled the same. With this, coming in last place in the Indian challenge (with only 11 participants) would get you 90 points (assuming no ties). Where as coming in last place in a challenge with 50 participants would get you 51 points (again, assuming no ties).
c) A percentage-based system. Each challenge is worth 100 points, and they get assigned based on the percent of total films watched. For example, in the Indian challenge, 72allinncallme would have received 52.04 points for utterly dominating the challenge, having watched 51 films of 98 total watches (i.e., (51/98)*100 = 52.04).
d) Others...

So what are people's thoughts on scoring?

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Post by albajos » October 9th, 2017, 7:08 pm

No need to overdo it. To say that 1-2 isn't enough. Well, what is enough? 7? 31?

Doing it like this makes it easy to understand, easy to calculate for everyone, and stays fun.

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Post by cinephage » October 9th, 2017, 10:17 pm

Armoreska on Oct 9 2017, 12:38:53 PM wrote:The number of participants shouldn't have much weight on the score. Watching 2 or 3 movies is not actual participating
I also disagree. When someone posts his participation in a challenge, he/she becomes part of it. There is an awareness, an involvement, there. However limited, this involvement reveals an intent to be part of the event, of sharing with the other participants.

I wouldn't discount this... In my case, I know it can weigh on my viewing choices, even though it's only one or two movies (I usually pick more, but get distracted for whatever reason)...

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Post by sortile9io » October 10th, 2017, 8:48 am

Without complicating it more you could use number of wins, participations and films to break the total score ties. Take for instance, in the lower part of the table:

fori 17 1 15 0
Nopros 17 1 21 0
musikurt 17 1 31 0

musikurt should probably be first and fori last.
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Post by maxwelldeux » October 10th, 2017, 9:30 am

sortile9io on Oct 10 2017, 02:48:37 AM wrote:Without complicating it more you could use number of wins, participations and films to break the total score ties.
I like the idea! I hadn't thought too deeply about tiebreakers, but what you said makes a lot of sense.

PS to all: I'm slowly moving backwards in time as I gather these data. I have the last 3 months of 2016 complete. Do y'all want periodic updates, or hold off until I have large chunks (e.g., years) complete?

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Post by albajos » October 10th, 2017, 9:45 am

Years are the most tidy way to do it. Thanks.

Just a note about ties with a challenge, would it not make more sense to give:
1. 8 points
2. 7 points
3. 6 points
3. 6 points
3. 6 points
6. 3 points
7. 2 points
8. 1 points
rather than an average?

Also, if you want to reward people actually winning, give those two extra points and the runner-up one extra point. (like we do in Eurovision SC)

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Post by maxwelldeux » October 10th, 2017, 5:57 pm

albajos on Oct 10 2017, 03:45:43 AM wrote:Years are the most tidy way to do it. Thanks.

Just a note about ties with a challenge, would it not make more sense to give:
1. 8 points
2. 7 points
3. 6 points
3. 6 points
3. 6 points
6. 3 points
7. 2 points
8. 1 points
rather than an average?

Also, if you want to reward people actually winning, give those two extra points and the runner-up one extra point. (like we do in Eurovision SC)
Years it is, unless there are strong objections.

On the scoring (nerd warning):

If you view the points as purely rankings-based (looking up), then yes, what you said makes more sense. In your example, those three people who tied for 3rd place have only two people above them in rankings, so each of them could earn 6 points. But it is also equally true that those three people who tied for 3rd place tied for fourth from the bottom, so if you allocate scores bottom up, they should all receive 4 points. The current scoring system splits the difference.

Another way too look at it is that there are [N(N+1)]/2 points to allocate, where N is the number of participants in a given challenge (this is the sum of the numbers from 1 to N). With 8 participants, this would be 36 total points to allocate. The current scoring allocates exactly 36 points, whereas the rankings-based scoring would assign 39 points (and would assign more if there were additional ties). Think prize money - the three people who tied for 3rd would each receive the average of the purses of the 3rd, 4th, and 5th place finishes.

OK. All that said, I'm certainly open to modifying the scoring based on what consensus we reach. To be honest, my default option is going to be sticking with what I've done, largely out of laziness. But I'm happy to change the scoring based on thoughts around here.

Finally, bonus points - I'm cool with that. Thoughts?

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Post by albajos » October 10th, 2017, 6:05 pm

maxwelldeux on Oct 10 2017, 11:57:29 AM wrote:who tied for 3rd place have only two people above them in rankings, so each of them could earn 6 points. But it is also equally true that those three people who tied for 3rd place tied for fourth from the bottom, so if you allocate scores bottom up, they should all receive 4 points.
But the glas is half full, not half empty :)

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Post by maxwelldeux » October 10th, 2017, 6:19 pm

albajos on Oct 10 2017, 12:05:38 PM wrote:
maxwelldeux on Oct 10 2017, 11:57:29 AM wrote:who tied for 3rd place have only two people above them in rankings, so each of them could earn 6 points. But it is also equally true that those three people who tied for 3rd place tied for fourth from the bottom, so if you allocate scores bottom up, they should all receive 4 points.
But the glas is half full, not half empty :)
Maybe from where you're sitting... :whistling: :banana:

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Post by 3eyes » October 10th, 2017, 11:23 pm

I'm not going to weigh in on scoring, but I do appreciate this and would be delighted to see the other years/total stats in whatever form.

I must say I was a bit startled to find myself in the top 10 as I haven't participated nearly this much this year as before. Until recently I have tended to report anything I happen to see that fits a current challenge I'm not otherwise interested in, but I don't really see any virtue in that.
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Post by maxwelldeux » October 11th, 2017, 6:28 am

Updated the Top Post. It now includes the current status of the Overall leaderboard (2016-present data), and has separate tables for 2017 and 2016. Enjoy! And please let me know what feedback you have...

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Post by sortile9io » October 11th, 2017, 8:43 am

There must be something wrong with the number of wins column in 2017. I have one even though I haven't actually won anything this year and PeacefulAnarchy has two wins but only one participation.

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Post by albajos » October 11th, 2017, 8:55 am

Well, my four wins from 2017 is also in counted in the 2016 table, so it seems it's the all-time total in all tables
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Post by maxwelldeux » October 11th, 2017, 5:07 pm

Blarg. Thanks y'all - I'm stupidly counting all-time wins in every table. I'll figure out how to fix that.

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Post by connordenney » October 15th, 2017, 11:58 pm

I'm tied for 3rd in terms of number of challenges competed in, but I'm also the top-ranked person who hasn't seen 100 total movies for the challenges

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Post by maxwelldeux » October 16th, 2017, 6:53 am

Updated the first post.

I've added the stats for 2015, updated the overall leaderboard to be 2015-2017 (inclusive), and fixed that wins count thing I screwed up.

Enjoy! And please let me know if you have updates/corrections/feedback.

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Post by sortile9io » October 16th, 2017, 10:55 am

Thank you, maxwelldeux! I really appreciate your work. Although some results are a a bit frustrating, like this:

22. - Buksemannen: 159, 5, 81, 9.00, 0
74. - sortile9io: 62.5, 5, 238, 3.20, 2

Both have participated in five challenges, I won two, with near three times more films, yet Buksemannen is near the top while I'm lost in the middle. I'll have to do something, can't stand being so low on a list.

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Post by Armoreska » October 16th, 2017, 12:50 pm

That's much better. 24th place is like first page!
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Post by maxwelldeux » October 16th, 2017, 4:55 pm

sortile9io on Oct 16 2017, 04:55:58 AM wrote:Thank you, maxwelldeux! I really appreciate your work. Although some results are a a bit frustrating, like this:

22. - Buksemannen: 159, 5, 81, 9.00, 0
74. - sortile9io: 62.5, 5, 238, 3.20, 2

Both have participated in five challenges, I won two, with near three times more films, yet Buksemannen is near the top while I'm lost in the middle. I'll have to do something, can't stand being so low on a list.
Well good news for you, sortile9io: You're moving up a spot.

For one of Buksemannen's scores, I accidentally tallied "110" when it should have been a "10". So that 159 will drop to a 59.

I've corrected it in my data file, and I'll update the tables when I add in the 2014 data.

Good catch! :thumbsup:

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Post by maxwelldeux » October 19th, 2017, 5:09 am

Updated the first post.

This update adds in the stats for 2014 in a separate table, and updates the overall leaderboard to include all official challenges 2014-present. It also corrects a few errors I've come across, including the one sortile9io pointed out last update. As such, all tables have been updated.

Also, for those of you who have changed usernames, please run through the Overall table - if you see both of your names listed, let me know somehow, and I'll merge the two. I've caught a couple of these already as I'm cleaning the data, but I'm betting I'm missing some.

Again, please send me updates/corrections/feedback and I'll make the appropriate fixes. Enjoy!



PS: Dear sweet, wonderful, competent, and stunningly attractive mods: Could we please get this topic Pinned in the Challenges subforum? :happy:

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Post by Armoreska » October 19th, 2017, 8:07 am

Wow Cinephage did win one, and makes #1!
I'm up to 18th as well, higher than expected
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Post by sortile9io » October 19th, 2017, 8:39 am

maxwelldeux on Oct 18 2017, 11:09:42 PM wrote:PS: Dear sweet, wonderful, competent, and stunningly attractive mods: Could we please get this topic Pinned in the Challenges subforum? :happy:
+1 (but only for the second half of the sentence and some parts of the first). :turned:

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Post by cinephage » October 19th, 2017, 9:27 am

Armoreska on Oct 19 2017, 02:07:31 AM wrote:Wow Cinephage did win one, and makes #1!
I'm up to 18th as well, higher than expected
That was my plan all along... I let others win and pass in front of me, and lost to more than 100 challenges of all kind, knowing that eventually I would have the last laugh.
And I don't intend to win either of the challenges I'm doing right now either... Justice will come to me in the end !!!

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