World Cup, Season 3, Match 2G: Japan vs Switzerland vs Austria (Dec 2nd)

[weirdboy]

1. Buto to gunkan 豚と軍艦 (Pigs and Battleships) - 1961 - Shohei Imamura
2. Rapt (The Kidnapping) - 1934 - Dimitri Mirasanoff
3. Der Knochenmann (The Bone Man) - 2009 - Wolfgang Murnberger

Japan and Switzerland were close enough that my ranking may change if I watched them on a different day. I also like Der Knochenmann too, but I doubt it's a movie I'm going to think about much after today.

[Mate_cosido]

Damn, i wasn't going to participate in this one, but if Imamura has a chance i should do it

[Gershwin]

1. Der Knochenmann
2. Buto to gunkan
3. Rapt

I think Der Knochenmann will turn out to be a favourite. Could have well been a Scandinavian film, it has this typical black humour I dig quite a bit.

[Armoreska]

Damn, i wasn't going to participate in this one, but if Imamura has a chance i should do it

Not much time left. Save Japan.

[monty]

Guess it's time for me to weigh in...

1. Buta to gunkan
2. Der Knochenmann
3. Rapt

Btw, I really like the Brenner character. Having seen all the films in the series, I wonder if Austria's manager ever considered Silentium?

[burneyfan]

Wow, really glad I logged in here tonight -- I'd watched all three films, but I'd been thinking the deadline was the 4th or 5th, not tonight!

1. Buta to gunkan (Japan)
2. Der Knochenmann (Austria)
3. Rapt (Switzerland)

Hard round to rank, because I liked all of them about the same. Thanks to monty, Nathan, and metaller!

[Armoreska]

Japan rockets from dead last to comfortable lead

[Mate_cosido]

1. Buta to gunkan
2. Der Knochenmann
3. Rapt

Well, my vote wasn't necesary after all, but i'm glad i watched the austrian one, probably wouldn't have otherwise, and it was pretty good

I hope Monty selects a movie i haven't see for the next round though

[Gershwin]

And yet four hours to go! Will be hard to beat Japan now though.

[joachimt]

Wow! What a change here!

Buta to gunkan: 1.879 (37-29)
Rapt: 2.061 (31-35)
Der Knochenmann: 2.061 (31-35)

Rapt - Der Knochenmann: 17 - 16

[mjf314]

1. Buta to gunkan
2. Der Knochenmann
3. Rapt

[Armoreska]

What a turnaround with Rapt now last!

[RBG]

[joachimt]

Deadline over. Japan wins. More stats later, when I get home.

[Nathan Treadway]

Congrats, Monty! Cheers for a greatly fought and won victory!

[Armoreska]

[Mario Gaborović]

[joachimt]

Final rankings:

Buta to gunkan: 1.853 (39-29)
Der Knochenmann: 2.059 (32-36)
Rapt: 2.088 (31-37)

Japan wins. Congratulations to monty. Also thanks to Nathan Treadway and metaller for their picks and to the 34 people who voted this match.

26 people with perfect participation

72allinncallme
Angel Glez
Armoreska
beavis
burneyfan
clemmetarey
Cocoa
edward5
filmbantha
hurluberlu
joachimt
jvv
klaus78
Lilarcor
Mario Gaborović
mjf314
Mochard
Muellwind
Nathan Treadway
Smoover
tarr
tommy_leazaq
weirdboy
zhangalan
zuma
Renegade

the rest

Gorro (18)
Mate_cosido (18)
Fergenaprido (17)
Gershwin (16)
jdidaco (16)
metaller (16)
funkybusiness (15)
XxXApathy420XxX (14)
sebby (12)
wasabi (12)
toro913 (11)
RBG (10)
sacmersault (10)
Nopros (9)
RogerTheMovieManiac88 (8)
Daviddoes (6)
PeacefulAnarchy (6)
cayado-coro (5)
sortile9io (3)
monty (3)
blocho (2)
connordenney (2)
musikurt (2)
lynchs (2)
Cynical Cinephile (1)
nimimerkillinen (1)
SpinningTop (1)
Pgonzalez (1)
cinewest (1)

[joachimt]

[beavis]

There is a slight slope, but I hope people aren't getting tired. only one more pool of three and then it's on to the head to head's, with the best movie-countries in the world!

[72aicm]

When is Round 3 scheduled? January?

[joachimt]

When is Round 3 scheduled? January?

2H ends on December the 16th. How much time do managers need to make the next pick? Most of the managers can already work on that. Only the three managers of 2H don't know if they should select something. I think it should be doable to have managers submit their picks before the end of 2018 and start somewhere around the end of the year.

[monty]

i'd like to thank my fellow managers for putting up a great fight - I really didn't think I was gonna bag this considering how the initial votes went.
Anyhow, thanks to all who participated this round. I'm gonna do my best to make things interesting in the next round, too.

Btw, would it be possible to list the winners of Round 2 so far?

[joachimt]

Btw, would it be possible to list the winners of Round 2 so far?

A: USA (The Last Command, filmbantha)
B: Greece (O drakos, tommy_leazaq)
C: Germany (Das Kaninchen bin ich, Lilarcor)
D: Burkina Faso (Tilaï, hurluberlu )
E: England (10 Rillington Place, funkybusiness)
F: Poland (Miejsce urodzenia, sebby)
G: Japan (Buto to gunkan, monty)

[hurluberlu]

Btw, would it be possible to list the winners of Round 2 so far?

A: USA (The Last Command, filmbantha)
B: Greece (O drakos, tommy_leazaq)
C: Germany (Das Kaninchen bin ich, Lilarcor)
D: Burkina Faso (Tilaï, hurluberlu )
E: England (10 Rillington Place, funkybusiness)
F: Poland (Miejsce urodzenia, sebby)
G: Japan (Buto to gunkan, monty)

so is Burkina playing Germany or is there a draw within 1H (after nominations) ?

[monty]

Btw, would it be possible to list the winners of Round 2 so far?

A: USA (The Last Command, filmbantha)
B: Greece (O drakos, tommy_leazaq)
C: Germany (Das Kaninchen bin ich, Lilarcor)
D: Burkina Faso (Tilaï, hurluberlu )
E: England (10 Rillington Place, funkybusiness)
F: Poland (Miejsce urodzenia, sebby)
G: Japan (Buto to gunkan, monty)

so is Burkina playing Germany or is there a draw within 1H (after nominations) ?

Burkina's manager asked for a fighting chance so Japan will be its opponent.

[joachimt]

Btw, would it be possible to list the winners of Round 2 so far?

A: USA (The Last Command, filmbantha)
B: Greece (O drakos, tommy_leazaq)
C: Germany (Das Kaninchen bin ich, Lilarcor)
D: Burkina Faso (Tilaï, hurluberlu )
E: England (10 Rillington Place, funkybusiness)
F: Poland (Miejsce urodzenia, sebby)
G: Japan (Buto to gunkan, monty)

so is Burkina playing Germany or is there a draw within 1H (after nominations) ?

There is a draw. Should I use pots again based on average ranking? Or just all together and make random pairs?

[beavis]

At this stage it could/should just be random, right?

[joachimt]

And should I make sure countries won't compete again to the same country as in R1? USA and Poland for example.

[joachimt]

At this stage it could/should just be random, right?

I don't feel like taking average ranking into account, because it's not very meaningful anymore. One lousy movie in a group results in higher average rankings for the other two. That doesn't necessarily mean the winner from such group did better than movies from other groups.

[Armoreska]

I vote for a semblance of order even if average rank matters little now. How bout R1+R2 points? But I bet that would disadvantage USA still who got "lucky" facing off both France and Poland (beating only one).
Or how bout a vote as to which country belongs in which pot?

Spoiler

Pot 1 England-Poland-Japan-Greece
Pot 2 Germany-Croatia-USA-BF (last two having lost once already, altho USA is still as formidable as the other pot 1 countries)

btw Croatia and Burkina Faso were also in the same group. (yeah i know Cro still has to win.) i'm not sure if that matters, but why not keep them separate for this round?

PPS How did Poland end up in Original Pot 2? It's a WC winner. All finalists should forever be Pot 1. Unless of course it'll be Burkina Faso this time.

[joachimt]

Let's do a poll about this without making a poll, because I can't ask more than one question in a poll. Anyone who's interested enough, answer the questions below.

1. Should there be pots based on previous results (R2 or R1+R2)? Yes or no.
2. Should there be a restriction on countries competing the same country as in R1? Yes or no.

Just answer yes or no for both questions by posting.

[Mario Gaborović]

I vote for a semblance of order even if average rank matters little now. How bout R1+R2 points? But I bet that would disadvantage USA still who got "lucky" facing off both France and Poland (beating only one).
Or how bout a vote as to which country belongs in which pot?

Spoiler

Pot 1 England-Poland-Japan-Greece
Pot 2 Germany-Croatia-USA-BF (last two having lost once already, altho USA is still as formidable as the other pot 1 countries)

btw Croatia and Burkina Faso were also in the same group. (yeah i know Cro still has to win.) i'm not sure if that matters, but why not keep them separate for this round?

I'm for random pairing like always.

In case we agree on Pots 1&2... well, most likely there will be 5 countries that didn't lose yet, so I think the weakest total vote ratio should decide which country will join Germany/USA/Burkina Faso.

[72aicm]

No x2.

[beavis]

No, yes

[Mario Gaborović]

1) No
2) Yes

[Armoreska]

1 Yes? [Should there be pots? Yes. Based on what? Not sure.]
2 Yes

[Nathan Treadway]

No
No

At this point completely random is probably the best way to go. We'll be down to 8 countries; at some point, you'll have to get rid of completely avoiding rematches. If we were going to go that route, we should structured it differently from the get-go.

[Gershwin]

No, yes

[Lilarcor]

1) No
2) Yes