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#41

Post by sacmersault » August 6th, 2018, 1:42 am

Gershwin wrote:
August 5th, 2018, 8:00 am
sacmersault wrote:
August 5th, 2018, 5:38 am
Daviddoes wrote:
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Yeah, I did a quick search at the best place I know to find rarities and only La fórmula secreta pops up.
TBH that's the best one and most known, but amazing nonetheless. There are tons of others less known but hard to get. There are other newer that are good but riskier: Canoa, Cuentos de hadas para dormir cocodrilos, etc. If you want any more suggestions you can PM. I'm Mexican and have studied a lot of Mexican cinema but don't feel qualified to choose Mexico, even though its probably the country I know the most. Contemporary Mexican cinema is great but people here don't seem to click with it. Old and grey or you might not move on tbh.

Non-European or Japanese movies here do not have much of a chance...

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Well, speaking for myself it's the contrary. I don't really understand the love for the older B&W Mexican cinema, whereas I like the more recent output I've seen (not much though). What makes you think these oldies will do better? That may be true for European big-hitters like Poland, Czechoslovakia, Italy or France, which had great (influence from) new waves in the 50s or 60s, but I don't know why the same would be true for Mexico.
Because non-mainstream films didn't opt for the classic melodramas or comedies. They were made by directors directly influenced by the new waves movements in Europe. Studios didn't like that though and they had very little exposure.

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Post by cinewest » August 6th, 2018, 3:48 am

Gershwin wrote:
August 5th, 2018, 8:00 am
sacmersault wrote:
August 5th, 2018, 5:38 am
Daviddoes wrote:
August 4th, 2018, 10:14 am
Yeah, I did a quick search at the best place I know to find rarities and only La fórmula secreta pops up.
TBH that's the best one and most known, but amazing nonetheless. There are tons of others less known but hard to get. There are other newer that are good but riskier: Canoa, Cuentos de hadas para dormir cocodrilos, etc. If you want any more suggestions you can PM. I'm Mexican and have studied a lot of Mexican cinema but don't feel qualified to choose Mexico, even though its probably the country I know the most. Contemporary Mexican cinema is great but people here don't seem to click with it. Old and grey or you might not move on tbh.

Non-European or Japanese movies here do not have much of a chance...

Good luck
Well, speaking for myself it's the contrary. I don't really understand the love for the older B&W Mexican cinema, whereas I like the more recent output I've seen (not much though). What makes you think these oldies will do better? That may be true for European big-hitters like Poland, Czechoslovakia, Italy or France, which had great (influence from) new waves in the 50s or 60s, but I don't know why the same would be true for Mexico.
I think that Mexican and Latina American cinema in general has been flowering over the past 10-15 years in general, but although western audiences have gone for the American films made by Mexican transplants like Cuaron and Inarritu, contemporary Mexican and Latin American cinema hasn't really caught on, and hasn't gotten nearly the attention it deserves outside of films that play most like Hollywood ones.

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Post by monty » August 11th, 2018, 12:51 pm

How many submissions have you received so far, J-Dog?

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Post by Armoreska » August 11th, 2018, 4:58 pm

Probably only Lebanon. It's Hors la vie, I got nothing to hide anymore.
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Post by Mario Gaborović » August 11th, 2018, 5:08 pm

Armoreska wrote:
August 11th, 2018, 4:58 pm
Probably only Lebanon. It's Hors la vie, I got nothing to hide anymore.
Not a single Lebanese company involved, and unsurprisingly Lebanon is not a production country at all.

Choose another film. :mellow:

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Post by Armoreska » August 11th, 2018, 5:44 pm

Mario Gaborović wrote:
August 11th, 2018, 5:08 pm
Armoreska wrote:
August 11th, 2018, 4:58 pm
Probably only Lebanon. It's Hors la vie, I got nothing to hide anymore.
Not a single Lebanese company involved, and unsurprisingly Lebanon is not a production country at all.

Choose another film. :mellow:
That's the only one I liked outside of Ziad Doueiri (and docu shorts). Besides I recall that a director coming from said country is enough. The movie is also SET in Lebanon. I think production company nonsense actually comes 3rd.
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Post by Mario Gaborović » August 11th, 2018, 5:49 pm

I think the only thing valid is production country, otherwise people would employ American and French films to no end. Stop it somewhere godammit.

Also I can't see why you wouldn't choose Caramel or Ghadi, especially the former is a fine work.

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Post by Armoreska » August 11th, 2018, 5:56 pm

OK I'll watch Ghadi (yeah no eng subs) and also Cerf-volant.
Oh yeah there's also Sous les bombes that was decent.
But I'll wait for JT's decision.
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Post by Gershwin » August 11th, 2018, 8:35 pm

Caramel is a fine film indeed.
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Post by Armoreska » August 12th, 2018, 3:44 pm

Gershwin wrote:
August 11th, 2018, 8:35 pm
Caramel is a fine film indeed.
If I went with that, I'd become the first manager to vote own pick last. tehe
Next round maybe :whistling:
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Post by Gershwin » August 12th, 2018, 5:03 pm

Armoreska wrote:
August 12th, 2018, 3:44 pm
Gershwin wrote:
August 11th, 2018, 8:35 pm
Caramel is a fine film indeed.
If I went with that, I'd become the first manager to vote own pick last. tehe
Next round maybe :whistling:
Hehe. In that case you certainly shouldn't pick it. I've abstained from using a few highly popular films in these parts as well, just because personally I didn't love them.
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Post by Mario Gaborović » August 14th, 2018, 7:37 am

Three days left to submit your films for the Round 2.

I believe Joachim has returned, so we could solve the Lebanon issue.

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Post by joachimt » August 14th, 2018, 8:25 am

monty wrote:
August 11th, 2018, 12:51 pm
How many submissions have you received so far, J-Dog?
7
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Post by joachimt » August 14th, 2018, 8:28 am

Armoreska wrote:
August 11th, 2018, 4:58 pm
Probably only Lebanon. It's Hors la vie, I got nothing to hide anymore.
I didn't receive a PM from you.
I won't allow Hors la vie. The country should at least be a production country.
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Post by joachimt » August 14th, 2018, 8:30 am

All winners from round 1:

POT 1
F: Japan (Sanbiki no samurai, monty, 1.837)
J: Greece (O fovos, tommy_leazaq, 1.892)
C: Romania (Padurea spânzuratilor, clemmetarey, 1.905)
I: Poland (Constans, sebby, 1.919)
L: Germany (Ich war neunzehn, Lilarcor, 1.972)
B: China (Mang jing, hurluberlu, 2)
D: France (Une si jolie petite plage, klaus78, 2)
H: Georgia (Pirosmani, tarr, 2)

POT 2
G: England (Ice Cold in Alex, funkybusiness, 2.049)
E: Czechia (Neúplné zatmení, Carmel98, 2.171)
A: Croatia (Ne okreci se sine, Mochard, 2.255)
K: Switzerland (Reise der Hoffnung, Nathan Treadway, 2.282)
J: Mexico (Macario, Daviddoes, 2.027)
C: Hungary (Megáll az idö, tarr, 2.143)
I: USA (The Incident, filmbantha, 2.189)
B: Spain (Arrebato, beavis, 2.233)

POT 3
E: Bolivia (Ukamau, burneyfan, 2.268)
H: Taiwan (Wo zhe yang guo le yi sheng, mjf314, 2.268)
G: Hong Kong (Tou ze, Smoover, 2.317)
A: Burkina Faso (Buud Yam, hurluberlu , 2.319)
D: India (Dabba, tommy_leazaq, 2.378)
F: Lebanon (West Beyrouth (À l'abri les enfants), Armoreska, 2.512)
K: Brazil (Lavoura Arcaica, Gorro, 2.538)
L: Austria (Das finstere Tal , metaller, 2.583)
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Post by Mario Gaborović » August 14th, 2018, 11:06 am

joachimt wrote:
August 14th, 2018, 8:28 am
Armoreska wrote:
August 11th, 2018, 4:58 pm
Probably only Lebanon. It's Hors la vie, I got nothing to hide anymore.
I didn't receive a PM from you.
I won't allow Hors la vie. The country should at least be a production country.
:worship: I keep telling there has to be a minimum of rules.

But I would certainly help Armoreska by watching only Lebanese films for the next three days and recommending. Don't say we're not collegial.

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Post by joachimt » August 14th, 2018, 4:58 pm

I really liked Beyroutou el lika (1981), but the available copy is terrible, so maybe not such a good idea. Apart from that it's mostly Bagdadi I've seen, just a few others. By Bagdadi I think Beyrouth ya Beyrouth (1975) and Les petites guerres (1982) are to be considered, although the latter probably wouldn't get my vote.
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Post by monty » August 14th, 2018, 9:23 pm

joachimt wrote:
August 14th, 2018, 8:25 am
monty wrote:
August 11th, 2018, 12:51 pm
How many submissions have you received so far, J-Dog?
7
I see. Btw, will there be the usual deadline extension (for me at the very least)?

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Post by Mario Gaborović » August 14th, 2018, 9:36 pm

monty wrote:
August 14th, 2018, 9:23 pm
joachimt wrote:
August 14th, 2018, 8:25 am
monty wrote:
August 11th, 2018, 12:51 pm
How many submissions have you received so far, J-Dog?
7
I see. Btw, will there be the usual deadline extension (for me at the very least)?
For a person who runs Samurai polls and is well versed in Japanese cinema, there's no need for delay unless the aim is to jack us off again monty-style.

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Post by mjf314 » August 14th, 2018, 11:20 pm

I'm hoping to watch 1 or 2 more Taiwanese films before the deadline.

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Post by joachimt » August 15th, 2018, 6:55 am

Mario Gaborović wrote:
August 14th, 2018, 9:36 pm
monty wrote:
August 14th, 2018, 9:23 pm
joachimt wrote:
August 14th, 2018, 8:25 am

7
I see. Btw, will there be the usual deadline extension (for me at the very least)?
For a person who runs Samurai polls and is well versed in Japanese cinema, there's no need for delay unless the aim is to jack us off again monty-style.
He's just trolling again. No extension of course. If a manager misses the deadline there will be a 24 hour window for other people to sign up as new manager. Then I'll randomly pick one of those people and he gets two days to choose a movie. If that happens that would mean the start of round 2 will be delayed, so I hope this won't be necessary.

3 days left. 8/24 submissions now.
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Post by clemmetarey » August 15th, 2018, 9:37 am

Just to be sure, the deadline is as usual, the end of August 17th everywhere in the world right?

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Post by joachimt » August 15th, 2018, 10:33 am

clemmetarey wrote:
August 15th, 2018, 9:37 am
Just to be sure, the deadline is as usual, the end of August 17th everywhere in the world right?
Yes. I added a countdown to the OP.
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Post by monty » August 15th, 2018, 2:36 pm

I'm strongly considering an anime option. Anyone else going down that route? A pure animation round could be fun.

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Post by Armoreska » August 15th, 2018, 2:43 pm

And also impossible this early.
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Post by sebby » August 15th, 2018, 7:46 pm

There's no reason for Hors la vie not to be eligible IMO.

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Post by mjf314 » August 15th, 2018, 8:09 pm

monty wrote:
August 15th, 2018, 2:36 pm
I'm strongly considering an anime option. Anyone else going down that route? A pure animation round could be fun.
If you're considering anime, I have two suggestions for you.

In This Corner of the World
It's a WWII film, and it won a lot of awards. Fans of Grave of the Fireflies will probably like it. Personally I like it more than Grave of the Fireflies.

Night is Short, Walk on Girl
Fans of The Tatami Galaxy will like it (same director and similar style).

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Post by Armoreska » August 15th, 2018, 8:55 pm

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August 15th, 2018, 7:46 pm
There's no reason for Hors la vie not to be eligible IMO.
:cheers:

Would it be OK to pick it for France if it was good enough? Don't think so. Out of 4 boxes I can think of (company, language, setting, director's origin) it checks 2 for France and 2 for Lebanon.

But if I pick the alternate, Sous Les Bombes, it can even do better. And checks all the boxes.
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Post by joachimt » August 16th, 2018, 5:15 am

Armoreska wrote:
August 15th, 2018, 8:55 pm
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August 15th, 2018, 7:46 pm
There's no reason for Hors la vie not to be eligible IMO.
:cheers:

Would it be OK to pick it for France if it was good enough? Don't think so. Out of 4 boxes I can think of (company, language, setting, director's origin) it checks 2 for France and 2 for Lebanon.

But if I pick the alternate, Sous Les Bombes, it can even do better. And checks all the boxes.
If you can quote some reputable source that thinks it's a Lebanon movie, I'll allow it.
We have to draw a clear line somewhere. Production-company is clear. In case of co-production you should even explain why it can compete for that certain country. If a country selects a movie for the competition of best foreign Oscar or if Unesco selects the movie for that country, etc....... that's good enough for me.

Of the four boxes you mention director's origin shouldn't count at all. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest isn't a Czech movie of course.
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Post by Armoreska » August 16th, 2018, 5:32 am

If it was called Přelet nad kukaččím hnízdem and was set in Czechia, then probably.
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Post by joachimt » August 16th, 2018, 7:06 am

13/24 submissions now. Just over two days left.
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Post by Armoreska » August 17th, 2018, 5:20 am

Alright, JT, it's official then, I'm going with Sous les bombes
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Post by sebby » August 17th, 2018, 5:33 am

hmm

go with a film that won't win but needs more exposure

or

go with a film that will almost surely win but already has several hundred checks

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Post by Armoreska » August 17th, 2018, 6:03 am

Win!
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Post by joachimt » August 17th, 2018, 6:18 am

Armoreska wrote:
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Alright, JT, it's official then, I'm going with Sous les bombes
Why don't you PM me instead of posting it here?
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Post by Armoreska » August 17th, 2018, 7:28 am

joachimt wrote:
August 17th, 2018, 6:18 am
Armoreska wrote:
August 17th, 2018, 5:20 am
Alright, JT, it's official then, I'm going with Sous les bombes
Why don't you PM me instead of posting it here?
What for?
Maybe someone will find that the company that made Sous is actually not Lebanese and IMDb has it all wrong and it's French.
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Post by joachimt » August 17th, 2018, 7:34 am

Armoreska wrote:
August 17th, 2018, 7:28 am
joachimt wrote:
August 17th, 2018, 6:18 am
Armoreska wrote:
August 17th, 2018, 5:20 am
Alright, JT, it's official then, I'm going with Sous les bombes
Why don't you PM me instead of posting it here?
What for?
Maybe someone will find that the company that made Sous is actually not Lebanese and IMDb has it all wrong and it's French.
What for? Because we agreed on that.
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Post by joachimt » August 17th, 2018, 7:36 am

15/24 submissions so far. Just over one day left. Don't miss the deadline, guys! You know me, I'm very strict when it comes to deadlines and I don't send out reminders.

Waiting for these managers:
mjf314
Daviddoes
hurluberlu (2x)
funkybusiness
burneyfan
sebby
monty
clemmetarey
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Fergenaprido: "I find your OCD to be adorable, J"

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Post by Armoreska » August 17th, 2018, 8:44 am

joachimt wrote:
August 17th, 2018, 7:36 am
You know me, I'm very strict when it comes to deadlines and I don't send out reminders.
I think this happened since you put on that brutal avatar.
If I didn't know he was actually a geeky-looking vegetarian, I'd be worried.
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currently working towards a vegan/low waste world + thru such film lists (besides TV): 2010s bests, RW Fassbinder, Luis Bunuel, Yasujiro Ozu, Eric Rohmer, Visual Effects nominees, kid-related stuff, great animes (mini-serie or feature), very 80s movies, 17+ sci-fi lists on watchlist, ENVIRO, remarkable Silent Films and Pre-Code (exploring 1925 atm) and every shorts and docu list I'm aware of and
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and "Gordon" Liu Chia-Hui/Liu Chia-Liang and Yuen Woo-ping and "Sammo" Hung Kam-bo

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Post by Mario Gaborović » August 17th, 2018, 10:40 am

Armoreska wrote:
August 17th, 2018, 8:44 am
joachimt wrote:
August 17th, 2018, 7:36 am
You know me, I'm very strict when it comes to deadlines and I don't send out reminders.
I think this happened since you put on that brutal avatar.
If I didn't know he was actually a geeky-looking vegetarian, I'd be worried.
Is that the Midnight Oil singer, or what??

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