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World Cup, Season 3, Match 1K: Italy vs Brazil vs Switzerland vs Vietnam (Jul 22nd)

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Re: World Cup, Season 3, Match 1K: Italy vs Brazil vs Switzerland vs Vietnam (Jul 22nd)

#41

Post by joachimt » July 10th, 2018, 7:42 pm

Using imgsz-tags now. Looks a lot better than above.

Image Reise der Hoffnung: 1.941 (35-16)
Image C'eravamo tanto amati: 2.647 (23-28)
Image Lavoura Arcaica: 2.647 (23-28)
Image Mùa len trâu: 2.765 (21-30)

Image C'eravamo tanto amati - Image Lavoura Arcaica: 9 - 8

This really is extremely close!
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#42

Post by sebby » July 11th, 2018, 7:07 am

Is this our first match this season where the outcome wasn't determined halfway through?

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#43

Post by tommy_leazaq » July 11th, 2018, 7:36 am

mjf314 wrote:
July 6th, 2018, 7:41 am
tommy_leazaq on Jul 5 2018, 11:53:19 PM wrote:My ranking would break the trend for Brazil but I don't want to be the one who do that. Let me see how long it goes. :lol:
Maybe try rewatching it to see if your opinion changes?

If you were planning to rank it 2nd, try to rewatch it in ideal viewing conditions.

If you were planning to rank it 3rd, try to get some glare from a window to ruin the movie for you.
Is it possible for the admins add "Like/Upvote" kind of thing to the posts. :lol:

Could have tried your suggestion had the film length is lot lesser.

And since, the tradition is broken now, here is my rank.

1. C'eravamo tanto amati - 7.5
2. Reise der Hoffnung - 7
3. Lavoura Arcaica - 6.5
4. Mùa len trâu - 6.5

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Post by Nathan Treadway » July 11th, 2018, 8:09 am

1. Reise der Hoffnung
2. C'ervamo tanto amati
3. Lavoura Arcica
4. Mua len trau

Best round! :) (Unless the last round beats it.. I've only seen one of them thus far, and it's an easy favorite, so..) Even though I ranked Mua len trau 4th, it easily could've been 1 or 2 in most of the other rounds.

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Post by tarr » July 11th, 2018, 9:37 am

1. Lavoura Arcaica
2. C'eravamo tanto amati
3. Mùa len trâu
4. Reise der Hoffnung

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#46

Post by joachimt » July 11th, 2018, 8:07 pm

sebby wrote:
July 11th, 2018, 7:07 am
Is this our first match this season where the outcome wasn't determined halfway through?
Don't know. I haven't kept track of score-history. Well, I can redo it, because I have all the individual votes in my spreadsheet, but not interested in doing so.
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Post by Lilarcor » July 14th, 2018, 1:47 am

Not a particularly strong round for me. Buffalo Boy had an interesting use of sound and music throughout that was somewhat subtle.

1. Mùa len trâu (Vietnam)
2. Reise der Hoffnung (Switzerland)
3. C'eravamo tanto amati (Italy)
4. Lavoura Arcaica (Brazil)

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Post by zhangalan » July 14th, 2018, 10:58 am

1. Reise der Hoffnung
2. Mua len trau
3. C'ervamo tanto amati
4. Lavoura Arcica

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Post by joachimt » July 14th, 2018, 11:25 am

Image Reise der Hoffnung: 1.955 (45-21)
Image C'eravamo tanto amati: 2.545 (32-34)
Image Lavoura Arcaica: 2.727 (28-38)
Image Mùa len trâu: 2.773 (27-39)
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Post by Smoover » July 15th, 2018, 12:20 pm

1. Mùa len trâu 7.5
2. Reise der Hoffnung 7.5
3. Lavoura Arcaica 6.0
4. C'eravamo tanto amati 5.0

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Post by zuma » July 17th, 2018, 12:45 am

01. Lavoura Arcaica

02. Mùa len trâu

03. C'eravamo tanto amati

04. Reise der Hoffnung

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Post by Nathan Treadway » July 17th, 2018, 1:53 am

And we are getting very close to a three way tie.

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Post by joachimt » July 17th, 2018, 6:51 am

Nathan Treadway wrote:
July 17th, 2018, 1:53 am
And we are getting very close to a three way tie.
Image Reise der Hoffnung: 2.042 (47-25)
Image C'eravamo tanto amati: 2.625 (33-39)
Image Lavoura Arcaica: 2.667 (32-40)
Image Mùa len trâu: 2.667 (32-40)

Head-to-head for #3 and #4:
Image Lavoura Arcaica - Image Mùa len trâu: 12 - 12

Number of #1-votes:
Image Lavoura Arcaica: 9
Image Mùa len trâu: 4
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Post by weirdboy » July 18th, 2018, 12:06 am

I'd better vote before I forget!

1. Mùa len trâu (The Buffalo Boy) - 2004 - Minh Nguyen-Vo
2. Reise der Hoffnung (Journey of Hope) - 1990 - Xavier Koller
3. Lavoura Arcaica (To the Left of the Father) - 2001 - Luiz Fernando Carvalho
4. C'eravamo tanto amati (We All Loved Each Other So Much) - 1974 - Ettore Scola



I didn't much like the Scola movie the first time I saw it, and it still was only tolerable for me the second around.

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Post by clemmetarey » July 19th, 2018, 10:41 pm

1. Lavoura Arcaica (2001) 7/10
2. Mùa len trâu (2004) 6/10
3. C'eravamo tanto amati (1974) 6/10
4. Reise der Hoffnung (1990) 5/10

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Post by hurluberlu » July 20th, 2018, 9:46 pm

(l). Lavoura Arcaica (2001) 8+
2. Mùa len trâu (2004) 7+
3. C'eravamo tanto amati (1974) 7
4. Reise der Hoffnung (1990) 6
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Post by toro913 » July 20th, 2018, 11:52 pm

1. C'eravamo tanto amati
2. Reise der Hoffnung
3. Mua len trau
4. Lavour arcaica

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Post by joachimt » July 21st, 2018, 7:00 am

Image Reise der Hoffnung: 2.179 (51-33)
Image Mùa len trâu: 2.571 (40-44)
Image Lavoura Arcaica: 2.607 (39-45)
Image C'eravamo tanto amati: 2.643 (38-46)

This is the most close match ever, I think. At least for #2, because Switzerland seems to be safe.
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Post by Mario Gaborović » July 21st, 2018, 1:00 pm

Less than 2 days left. Three films in contention for one slot that takes to the 2nd round.

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Post by Armoreska » July 21st, 2018, 2:12 pm

Oddly after being 3rd all but twice last page (40 posts), only 1 person ranked Mua Len Trau thus on this page, and now it's back from 4th to 2nd
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Post by Gershwin » July 22nd, 2018, 9:15 am

I find it very hard to rank these films.
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Post by filmbantha » July 22nd, 2018, 1:14 pm

1. Mua len trau
2. C'eravamo tanto amati
3. Reise der Hoffnung
4. Lavour arcaica

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Post by cinewest » July 22nd, 2018, 2:11 pm

Gershwin wrote:
July 22nd, 2018, 9:15 am
I find it very hard to rank these films.
Three of the four were in my top 100 submission to the 500>400 poll earlier this year.

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Post by Mario Gaborović » July 22nd, 2018, 4:03 pm

18 hours left. I hope the forum's relocation won't affect the number of voters significantly.

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Post by jdidaco » July 22nd, 2018, 7:14 pm

Thanks managers,

1. C'eravamo tanto amati
2. Reise der Hoffnung
3. Mùa len trâu
4. Lavoura Arcaica

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Post by Gershwin » July 22nd, 2018, 7:25 pm

A good round with four films that each have their own flaws, in my book. Thanks to the managers for these interesting picks.

1. Lavoura Arcaica
Reminded me a lot of some of Sokurov's films. It's a bit too heavy-handed at some parts to become a favourite, though. Too much dialogue (and monologues) put on screen, whereas I feel a film adaptation should find more cinematic ways to put the poetry on screen. But it does that as well, and that makes it a very beautiful film.
2. Reise der Hoffnung
A little too melodramatic and too straight-forward, but being a father I did find it very touching. And I think it's socially and politically very poignant, and gives a good analysis of immigration dynamics.
3. C'eravamo tanti amati
Sometimes combining drama and comedy works like a charm, but here both elements don't really coalesce. Too bad, because I like the other Scola films I've seen.
4. Mùa len trâu
I think quite a bit was lost here in cultural translation, and the plot seemed to be all over the place. But it has some great imagery.
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Post by joachimt » July 22nd, 2018, 7:27 pm

30 votes. Three #4-votes for Brazil in a row put it some steps behind. Italy is still very close.

Image Reise der Hoffnung: 2.2 (54-36)
Image Mùa len trâu: 2.533 (44-46)
Image C'eravamo tanto amati: 2.567 (43-47)
Image Lavoura Arcaica: 2.7 (39-51)

The last two matches had 37 votes, so I hope to get at least 7 more.
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Post by joachimt » July 22nd, 2018, 7:28 pm

Made my post before I saw Gershwins vote......
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Post by weirdboy » July 22nd, 2018, 9:13 pm

Agreed with the comparison to Sokurov's films. I thought the same thing when I watched it.

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Post by Fergenaprido » July 22nd, 2018, 9:59 pm

Looks like I'm going to continue a number of trends in this match.

Rather difficult batch of films to rank. Even rating them was more thought-provoking than normal.

1. Reise der Hoffnung - 7.8
2. C'eravamo tanto amati - 7.4
3. Mùa len trâu - 7.4
4. Lavoura Arcaica - 6.4

Italian film was okay, but was hoping for more from Scola. The film itself was good, and the way it told the story and the cinematography, but the characters themselves were unpleasant and irritating, which made the film less enjoyable to watch.

Vietnamese film was okay, even if the story was a tad odd.

Swiss film was better than expected. With the commanding lead it took I thought there was a lot of hype, but I genuinely enjoyed this, and feel it captured the plight of immigrants with false promises, duplicitous 'friends', and the hopes and dreams of those suffering from greener grass syndrome. Melodramatic perhaps, but no less real. Irrational decisions on the migrants part seemed perfectly plausible given their situation. Almost 30 years and not much has changed, eh?

Brazilian film was a bore. Comparisons to Sokurov make sense to me, but this was actually better. Very poetic and cinematically inventive, but the lack of an interesting plot or sympathetic characters made me largely tune out. Took 5 hours to watch a 3 hour film with multiple pauses. Lots of scenery chewing; maybe it would work better as a play than a film, though I would still be interested in the book it's based on. I get why people like it, though; style over substance. Favourite part is the (un)intentional review of the film the father utters: "Furthermore, pretentious enlightenment is as blinding as darkness."

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Post by zuma » July 22nd, 2018, 10:26 pm

Fergenaprido wrote:
July 22nd, 2018, 9:59 pm
Irrational decisions on the migrants part seemed perfectly plausible given their situation.
Could not disagree more. The way the writer(s) used the "stupid immigrant" crutch to forward the plot was brutal.

Man saves up forever to emigrate and painstakingly calculates the money required (with thought towards the extras), yet at the last second brings a kid without fee or passport. Really?

He also spends his life as a shepherd out in nature, yet can not tell direction or follow where a flare originates. Really?

There were other things as well, which I forgot. I found it very insulting.

Ok I am reverting back to silence when it comes to WC rating and reviews. :)

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Post by funkybusiness » July 23rd, 2018, 12:07 am

1. Lavoura Arcaica


2. Mùa len trâu







3. C'eravamo tanto amati
4. Reise der Hoffnung

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Post by Mochard » July 23rd, 2018, 4:36 am

1. Mùa len trâu
2. Reise der Hoffnung
3. C'eravamo tanto amati
4. Lavoura Arcaica

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Post by mjf314 » July 23rd, 2018, 5:59 am

1. Lavoura Arcaica
2. Reise der Hoffnung
3. C'eravamo tanto amati
4. Mùa len trâu

It's hard to rank the top 2 because Lavoura Arcaica is sometimes great, sometimes boring. I think the first 40 minutes is the best part.

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Post by joachimt » July 23rd, 2018, 6:16 am

Brazil keeps getting #1 and #4 votes solely.

Image Reise der Hoffnung: 2.2 (63-42)
Image Mùa len trâu: 2.571 (50-55)
Image C'eravamo tanto amati: 2.6 (49-56)
Image Lavoura Arcaica: 2.629 (48-57)

Little less than 4 hours left.
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Post by wasabi » July 23rd, 2018, 6:29 am

1. Lavoura Arcaica (2001)
2. Mùa len trâu (2004)
3. C'eravamo tanto amati (1974)
4. Reise der Hoffnung (1990)

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Post by sebby » July 23rd, 2018, 6:40 am

Sprinting toward the finish line. One film left. Hopefully I don't fall asleep.

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Post by Gershwin » July 23rd, 2018, 7:30 am

Seems like you'll decide which film gets the second place, Sebby. Don't give up!
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Post by metaller » July 23rd, 2018, 7:38 am

Thanks to all the mangers for the strong field.
Brutally hard to rank, each film was of high quality and I don't remember any round where the margin from place 1 to 4 was so slim for me.

1. Lavoura Arcaica (2001) - 7.5 - A little bit too in love with its script (or source?) at times, but a lot of the film was magical and poetry.
2. C'eravamo tanto amati (1974) - 7.5 - I love me some Italian dramedies and some meta touches to filmmaking make me always swoon.
3. Reise der Hoffnung (1990) - 7.5 - Hard hitting drama, but the coincidences and bad decisions marred it a little bit.
4. Mùa len trâu (2004) - 7.5 - Wonderful tale about the ebb and flow of the seasons and life in rural Vietnam with interesting characters.

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Post by joachimt » July 23rd, 2018, 7:51 am

Image Reise der Hoffnung: 2.27 (64-47)
Image Lavoura Arcaica: 2.541 (54-57)
Image Mùa len trâu: 2.595 (52-59)
Image C'eravamo tanto amati: 2.595 (52-59)

Image C'eravamo tanto amati - Image Mùa len trâu: 18 - 19
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